Rafa, welcome back at world no.1

Vamos
Truly champion :worship::worship::worship::worship:

how do you feel about this?

pretty much?

Nah it'll be a long time before YE #1 is secured, the earliest it's even been secured was September one year I think. Doubt anyone's going to take him down though. :)

Fed probably needs to retain Wimbledon and Cincinatti, and retake US Open I guess. Nadal made semis at US Open last year so can't gain massively there.

Well depending on what happens at Wimby and during the U.S. Open Series, he could secure No. 1 before the US Open.

Nah it'll be a long time before YE #1 is secured, the earliest it's even been secured was September one year I think. Doubt anyone's going to take him down though. :)

statistically yeah, but he defends 0 points at wimby and almost none in the later half of the year. only a uso HF and 0 points at the WTF.

and there is WTF too... where both didn't gain alot of points last yr... so plenty at stake there... but i still see a fedalpoly... if nadal isn't YE #1 then it's going to be fed...

but my take is that it's going to be nadal this yr....


regards,
wacky

Woohoo! I'm so happy for him!

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

Congrats Rafa:worship:Back to where he belongs:)

How do you have 3,500 posts in half a year :eek:

Sad moment

He deserves to be there having gone unbeaten in the clay court season.

Of course things could have been different as Federer was only 2 points away from beating Del Potro in the US Open final (which would have given him another 800 points) and also only 2 points away from beating Davydenko at the World Tour Finals semi (which would have given him another 400 points). As it is, Nadal will lead by 310 points on Monday. It illustrates how fine the margins are sometimes in tennis.

It's so gratifying to see Rafa make it back to number one when most people doubted. A privilege and honor to witness such greatness~ come on people start hating. Bring it on; belittle him, doubt him some more, disrespect him~ do what you must. Just know when you do, it makes moments like today that much more special. A great day to be a Rafa fan, congrats to all my fellow Nadal fans, let's just take it all in and enjoy!!!

Congratulations Rafa, you deserve it!!! :worship: :bigclap:

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

Muster got to #1 by winning:

Barcelona, Bucharest, Essen, Estoril, Mexico City, Monte Carlo, French Open, Rome, San Marino, Sankt Pölten, Stuttgart, Umag

He can make the gap to Federer even bigger after Wimbledon.

deserved, earned without a doubt

Brilliant! :D :angel:

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

You're a mug :wavey:

Congrats Rafa.

Yes, real Nadal is back. Obviously, we saw nadal is not the real on in last year RG

Tennis loses today...

validation of feds slacking.

Congratulations Rafel Nadal, back where you belong, you are a natural #1

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2 slams > 1 slam

MM king this Nadal.

deserved, earned without a doubt

affirmative :wavey:

Brilliant! :D :angel:



You're a mug :wavey:

Reported

Well deserved. congrats!

Rafa: Enjoy it before Fed gets it back ;)

hell yes, welcome back to no.1 rafa and congratulations on 7th grand slam title!!!

rafa truly deserves this!!! :bigclap: :woohoo:

Well deserved. He's miles above the clay competition like he always has been and will remain a big threat on hardcourts and grass.

Gotta give Nadal credit. If he had gotten the #1 back, which he inevitably would have at Wimby, without winning a slam, the ATP would be a joke like the WTA. Though I'm not happy Nadal won today, I have to give him credit for maintaining the integrity of the ranking system :yeah:

Nadal will have to play better if he wants to have success off of clay. He could rely on his defense and movement today. But on other surfaces, he will need his offensive game clicking.

Perfect, getting his number 1 spot back finally

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

No, in fact you've got it wrong. Only his clay titles wouldn't have taken him to nr 1, he gets there because he has made all but two SF on the hardcourt season (from Canada 09 to Miami 2010, he only fell in the QF in Canada and AO), meaning nobody was able to dominate him so much on hard as he is capable of dominating all others on clay.

And that was his worst year by far. He's already won almost as many tournaments out of clay as all the rest of the field if you exclude Fed. It's funny you should try to dismiss the winner of 7 GS and 18 MS as someone not fit to be nr1 !!!!

Mjau, you should help yourself and stop hating so much. Anyway, you are only 20 so you'll probably grow over it (I hope).

When you win four tournaments in a row which includes one slam and three masters events and you don't get the number one ranking, then there is seriously something wrong with how this process works. Thank god it isn't that way.

Nadal deserves every bit of it as he was virtually unplayable this entire clay season showing he is leagues above the field on clay.

I expected more from Soderling, where was he? that was a beat up of incredible proportions for a final.

Gotta give Nadal credit. If he had gotten the #1 back, which he inevitably would have at Wimby, without winning a slam, the ATP would be a joke like the WTA. Though I'm not happy Nadal won today, I have to give him credit for maintaining the integrity of the ranking system :yeah:

Why?

Rankings are about results over a timespan. If somebody gets to every single SF in a year, he might very well get to nr 1, and there's nothing odd about that. It may be unusual, but it seams like if you insist on reading rankings as if they were a measure of overall quality, when they in fact measure only global achievement.

Congratulations, Rafa! Welcome back at World no.1! :)

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.how much vcash did you lose?

He clearly fully deserves the no.1 ranking. QF at AO, SF at IW and Miami, now a clean sweep of clay. Not as if he did poorly on the hard courts.

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World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

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It's so gratifying to see Rafa make it back to number one when most people doubted. A privilege and honor to witness such greatness~ come on people start hating. Bring it on; belittle him, doubt him some more, disrespect him~ do what you must. Just know when you do, it makes moments like today that much more special. A great day to be a Rafa fan, congrats to all my fellow Nadal fans, let's just take it all in and enjoy!!!

You are so right. People will still keep hating, and he'll just keep on winning. Now on to Wimbledon for more dominance and destruction.

Welcome back Rafa. People on this board may hate him for whatever reason but for us supporters this title confirms what we all knew last year: Soderling took advantage of an emotionally and physically weakened champion. No excuses for the Sod today - he was exhausted by his last 2 matches? blah If it were an in form Rafa, he'd have had the grit and determination to play a third tough match. Sod was outplayed today and humbled by the clay court maestro and that's a beautiful thing to see.

Nadal won Roland Garros without much wear. That fact makes him dangerous in Wimbledon.

Hi Mjau!

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Nadal won Roland Garros without much wear. That fact makes him dangerous in Wimbledon.

We can only hope, we can only hope. :D

Welcome back, Rafa :wavey:

Well deserved, Rafa is the best!

He never lost it while fit. The fact that he claimed it back as soon as his knees were better is proof enough that he should be there.

Congratulations, Rafa. Go for the next GS!

We can only hope, we can only hope. :D
Well, early in this season he easily reached the semifinals playing like a crap. Now he is winning not playing at his top level. If he increases his current level anything is possible.

Congrats! Showing that through all the pain, the drama, the ups and downs, he is right now THE best on tour!

Congratulations Rafa!!

Great.rafa Is The Best.vamoooooooos

Congrats! Showing that through all the pain, the drama, the ups and downs, he is right now THE best on tour!

well said :bigclap:

Nadal has a big advantage over other players with regard to the rankings. He can remain number one for a long long time because most of his points are from the clay season and grass, and barring injury he can win on those surfaces easily (in fact even if he is playing injured he can). The only reason why he lost the top ranking last year was because he actually skipped Wimbledon. Also, it seems that even when he's well below his best he can reach US Open semis.

Rafa:yeah:

Vamos Rafa! The last 12 months were tough, but he came through with heart and courage. :yeah:

Order is restored :bounce: Bring on Wimbledon he should be number 1 for the rest of the year now:bigclap:

Deserved.

Unfortunately for Roger, I bet he wishes he tried harder in those Master's tournaments.

How do you have 3,500 posts in half a year :eek:

Simple. Post as many idiotic one line comments such as the following:

"Omg:eek::sad:"

where is clay death?

Reported
For what exactly? :lol:

So how can Rafito be #1? The ranking is a joke.

Fed's results are better in 4 out of the 5 big tournaments.

Tournament AO RG W USO Masters
Fed W QF W F SF
Nadal QF W DNP SF Humiliated without winning a set

Will nadal be seeded #1 or 2 at wimbly? Proabably 2 for me.

So how can Rafito be #1? The ranking is a joke.

Fed's results are better in 4 out of the 5 big tournaments.

Tournament AO RG W USO Masters
Fed W QF W F SF
Nadal QF W DNP SF Humiliated without winning a set

Really horrible!!

To many easy points for Rafa to get in the clay season imo especially in the clown masters in MC that should be a 500 from now on hence half the top players will skip it since its not mandatory. Imagine grass having 500.s and Masters.

Pls speed up the grass again at Wimbledon 2 :o

Roger got what he deserved, he had a healthy lead coming up to clay season and wasted it, Rafa did what he had to in clay season and now is back as #1 ;)

Really horrible!!

To many easy points for Rafa to get in the clay season imo especially in the clown masters in MC that should be a 500 from now on hence half the top players will skip it since its not mandatory. Imagine grass having 500.s and Masters.

Pls speed up the grass again at Wimbledon 2 :o

Unfortunately, for you, Rafa also plays very well on grass.

Didn't you read my last sentence??

Unfortunately, for you, Rafa also plays very well on grass.


:lol:

Now they're even complaing about the ranking :o As if Rafa doesn't deserve #1 when he's undefeated since March, has just won a Slam without losing a single set, while Federer doesn't even bother anymore in the non-Slams :o

Didn't you read my last sentence??

Didn't you know Nadal has also won in Queens' Club? Didn't you know Queens' Club has the fastest and lowest bouncing grass courts in the world?

No, you didn't know that. You're just a tard.

Didn't you read my last sentence??

You do realize don't you that Federer has won all of his championships on the slower grass at Wimbledon? All of them.

Also Federer does not play Queens, but the slower grass (more like Wimbledon) at Halle.

While Federer might do well with the fast grass that once existed at Wimbledon, it is certain that a number of others would certainly benefit.

TR.net:

"Even if Federer wins Halle and defends Wimbledon, he can't retake No. 1 from Nadal day after Wimby, even if Rafa doesnt win a match."

Some Fedtarts are pathetic. While Roger was being stunned in the first rounds of almost every tournament since AO, Rafa was going steady and stronger winning Montecarlo, Rome and Madrid and finally becoming the most memorable king of clay winning his 5th RG. And Roger still thought he was capable of winning RG again this year. If Robin hadn't stopped him, Nadal would have finished him anyway. :haha:

Really horrible!!

To many easy points for Rafa to get in the clay season imo especially in the clown masters in MC that should be a 500 from now on hence half the top players will skip it since its not mandatory. Imagine grass having 500.s and Masters.

Pls speed up the grass again at Wimbledon 2 :o
Oh dear... There are 6 Master 1000 on fast courts and 3 on clay... Federer has a huge advantage.
On Clay: 1GS + 3 Master 1000: 5.000 pts
On Hard: 2 GS + 6 Master 1000 + Tennis Master Cup: 13.000 pts
and if it is not enough, we have Wimbledon: 2000 pts more.
Isn't it enough for fast courters????

Actually is all Federer´s fault because he didn´t play up to his standards at the Masters 1000 this year, while the rest of the players fear Nadal on clay and lose to him before even getting to the court...

If Federer played just a little better he would still be number 1, the position he should always be...

It´s just disgusting to see one dimensional boring Nadal number 1, but it doesn´t matter, because Roger will regain that position sooner or later

Order is restored

Restored? With Federer #2 and Nadal #1?

More like order has been disrupted...

Actually is all Federer´s fault because he didn´t play up to his standards at the Masters 1000 this year, while the rest of the players fear Nadal on clay and lose to him before even getting to the court...

If Federer played just a little better he would still be number 1, the position he should always be...

It´s just disgusting to see one dimensional boring Nadal number 1, but it doesn´t matter, because Roger will regain that position sooner or later


LOL

No, in fact you've got it wrong. Only his clay titles wouldn't have taken him to nr 1, he gets there because he has made all but two SF on the hardcourt season (from Canada 09 to Miami 2010, he only fell in the QF in Canada and AO), meaning nobody was able to dominate him so much on hard as he is capable of dominating all others on clay.

And that was his worst year by far. He's already won almost as many tournaments out of clay as all the rest of the field if you exclude Fed. It's funny you should try to dismiss the winner of 7 GS and 18 MS as someone not fit to be nr1 !!!!

Mjau, you should help yourself and stop hating so much. Anyway, you are only 20 so you'll probably grow over it (I hope).

No, in fact you've got it wrong. I did not say he's nr 1 only because of those clay titles. I said he's nr 1 with only clay court titles, meaning all of his titles (in the last 52 weeks) are on clay. :wavey:

I think it was important to him in 2008, but it doesn't seem to be that important to him now. Which is good, b/c if he schedules smart like he did with Barcelona, it will help him win the US Open. I think he might be smart just to play one master series in the American hardcourt swing.

After what happened last year, its good that order is resotred though.

Actually is all Federer´s fault because he didn´t play up to his standards at the Masters 1000 this year, while the rest of the players fear Nadal on clay and lose to him before even getting to the court...

If Federer played just a little better he would still be number 1, the position he should always be...

It´s just disgusting to see one dimensional boring Nadal number 1, but it doesn´t matter, because Roger will regain that position sooner or later

I'm tempted to name you Knight of the Hatas Club, but you do not deserve to receive the Ultimate Mark of the Hata. You're not that good yet, you have to keep trying.

Really horrible!!

To many easy points for Rafa to get in the clay season imo especially in the clown masters in MC that should be a 500 from now on hence half the top players will skip it since its not mandatory. Imagine grass having 500.s and Masters.

Pls speed up the grass again at Wimbledon 2 :o

Yeah It is Rafa fault he is the best player on clay :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah It is Rafa fault he is the best player on clay :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yes, its his fault he is the best on clay and I am so happy for that :)

Vamosssss

Yes, its his fault he is the best on clay and I am so happy for that :)

Vamosssss

Yeah :cool:

Even Andy knows, scroll down, he says: http://twitter.com/andyroddick

this just happened so quick... I mean a few months ago he dropped to no.4? and now it comes the clay and he is back to No.1! :yeah:

federer only has himself to blame for falling one week short of equalling pete's 286 total weeks at #1.

lost early at IW/Miami/Rome whilst Rafa lose in the SF's of IW/Miami and swept the clay court titles, maybe now federer will actually give a toss about MS tourneys.

totally well deserved rafa!!! :clap2:

Still to collect his Wimbledon champion points kill em rafaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111one :sport:

...If Federer played just a little better he would still be number 1, the position he should always be...

I disagree. It should be Bill Tilden. Unfortunatedly for him, dead people don't play tennis -- or do much of anything else for that mattter.

...It´s just disgusting to see one dimensional boring Nadal number 1, but it doesn´t matter, because Roger will regain that position sooner or later

Better make it "sooner"....'cause he ain't getting any younger. Certainly won't happen when he's wearing Depends.

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VIVA RAFA! YOU'RE THE BEST!

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vamos for restored order

Yeah, nice going there, champ! Keep it a little *restofcareera* longer this time!

vamos for restored order

+1

I'm glad for Nadal but I hope this order changes in the near future! I'm not talking about Roger getting back to nº1 precisely... I'd like to see the young guys getting there eventually.
This is a very nice recent BBC interview with Novak where he talks about Nadal and this tennis era...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sph4j#p0087npr

I do understand, chances are Fed will still be top-seeded at W, right?

Congrats Rafa.
You so deserve this place.

order restored bullshit :lol:

Fed lost this #1 more than Nadal gained it, hope you idiots out there get that, 90% of you dont.

He never lost it while fit. The fact that he claimed it back as soon as his knees were better is proof enough that he should be there.surprisingly absolute guff post from you

order restored bullshit :lol:

Fed lost this #1 more than Nadal gained it, hope you idiots out there get that, 90% of you dont.

Please!!!

Nadal deserves to be no 1. He is the best right now.

order restored bullshit :lol:

Fed lost this #1 more than Nadal gained it, hope you idiots out there get that, 90% of you dont.

My god you are a fed fanboy aren't you. So by your logic Nadal lost it last year because he got injured, Fed winning RG and Wimbledon had nothing to do with it. Rafa didn't lose a match all clay season, I think he deserved it.

But anyway, whatever makes you happy :wavey:

order restored bullshit :lol:

Fed lost this #1 more than Nadal gained it, hope you idiots out there get that, 90% of you dont.

Another Scottish sourpuss? Dude, get over it already.

Nadal will remain #1 for the foreseeable future and he'll probably win Wimbledon as well.

Fed fans found out he was an arrogant asshole 6 years ago.
They still can't admit it. Look what happened to Roddick & Tiger Woods. :o

Fed fans found out he was an arrogant asshole 6 years ago.
They still can't admit it. Look what happened to Roddick & Tiger Woods. :o

Perhaps two of the biggest douchebags in all of sport.

7 slams.
go win wimbledon and US open this year rafa and prove u can play outside of clay.

vamos

:bigclap::yippee::dance::haha::woohoo: but to be honest, i wanted more slams than returning to no.1

Mjau, you should help yourself and stop hating so much. Anyway, you are only 20 so you'll probably grow over it (I hope).

well, some people still do not grow up even when they reach 60 :scratch::shrug:

When you win four tournaments in a row which includes one slam and three masters events and you don't get the number one ranking, then there is seriously something wrong with how this process works. Thank god it isn't that way.

Nadal deserves every bit of it as he was virtually unplayable this entire clay season showing he is leagues above the field on clay.
thanks, as classy as always :bigclap:

World no 1 with only clay court titles. :rolleyes: Mug era.

He was ranked No.1 for 46 weeks previously with Wimbledon title and Olympic gold medal ;)

It's better than having weak draws while the media
& so-called opponents determine that you're a gentleman & genius. :rolls: :spit:

I'm glad for Nadal but I hope this order changes in the near future! I'm not talking about Roger getting back to nº1 precisely... I'd like to see the young guys getting there eventually.

Im sure Nole will someday deliver and get n.1 spot :hug: he's got decades ahead of him on senior tour.

He better make sure he enters Gstaad, Sopot, Bucharest to keep those points ticking over

Im sure Nole will someday deliver and get n.1 spot :hug: he's got decades ahead of him on senior tour.

The only spot that Nole will get someday will be a bald spot :hug:

He better make sure he enters Gstaad, Sopot, Bucharest to keep those points ticking over

If only :tears:

I'd like to see the young guys getting there eventually.

But Rafa is a young guy. He just turned 24 last week. Nole is only a year behind. I'd love for Novak to experience Rafa's level of success, but Rafa won titles enough to become No.1 again. Nole is going to have to do the same.

I do understand, chances are Fed will still be top-seeded at W, right?

Yes. I don't think it'd make much of a difference whether who is seeded one/two, though. It's only a toss-up when seeded that high.

Fed lost this #1 more than Nadal gained it, hope you idiots out there get that, 90% of you dont.

How's that, exactly? Did he win Monte Carlo, Rome, Madrid, and Roland Garros this year? Roger didn't even win back the ranking by his own merits in the first place. He got it back mainly do to Rafa beening absent from the scene.

7 slams.
go win wimbledon and US open this year rafa and prove u can play outside of clay.

vamos

He has already proven that. He's won hard-court masters 1000's, Wimbledon and the AO.

absent from the scene? how many tournaments did he actually miss? queens, wimbledon

Fed had pulled from more events in the last 12 months than he did

absent from the scene? how many tournaments did he actually miss? queens, wimbledon

Fed had pulled from more events in the last 12 months than he did

It doesn't matter if he had play all those tournaments, the outcome would still have been the same. :lol:

absent from the scene? how many tournaments did he actually miss? queens, wimbledon

Yes, but they were two tournaments where he was the defending champion - one of them a major. A loss of 2250 ranking points is quite a big hit IMO.

If he'd missed some lame-ass tourneys like Doha, Delray Beach and Estoril then obviously even skipping them as defending champ wouldn't have had even half the effect on his ranking points as missing one slam.

Yes. I don't think it'd make much of a difference whether who is seeded one/two, though. It's only a toss-up when seeded that high.


True to an extent, but being placed in one half of the draw as opposed to the other can have its merits, dependent on which other players are in each half.

Yes, but they were two tournaments where he was the defending champion - one of them a major. A loss of 2250 ranking points is quite a big hit IMO.

If he'd missed some lame-ass tourneys like Doha, Delray Beach and Estoril then obviously even skipping them as defending champ wouldn't have had even half the effect on his ranking points as missing one slam.


Exactly. But I'd love to hear an explaination from Mr. Feldman which big important tournaments Federer had to pull out of in the last 12 months :lol:

Exactly. But I'd love to hear an explaination from Mr. Feldman which big important tournaments Federer had to pull out of in the last 12 months :lol:Shanghai TMS, Tokyo, Dubai

not saying they are bigger than a GS obviously but he's WD more events than Nadal

Shanghai TMS, Tokyo, Dubai

not saying they are bigger than a GS obviously but he's WD more events than Nadal

In the past 12 months Rafa has w/d from Queens 09, Wim 09, Bangkok 09, Rotterdam 10 and Barcelona 10. Obviously that's more than Federer.

right now, nadal deserves it.
but if federer wins wimpledon and the US open and still won't be number 1, we'll have to discuss again.

right now, nadal deserves it.
but if federer wins wimpledon and the US open and still won't be number 1, we'll have to discuss again.

It's all a matter of accumulated points throughout the season, people, what don't you understand? :rolleyes:
Whoever is at nº1 deserves it.

Finally we have the proper number 1 back to number 1.

Nadal trying to copy Murray's service motion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-1284318/Rafael-Nadal-wants-service-like-Andy-Murrays.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I'm not sure Murray's serve is the best motion for Nadal to copy, particularly being 2 inches shorter.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=bPl&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=Federer+says+Nadal+lacks+drive&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

:D

Rafa will probably be looked at as a super-Munster during his time at number one. Took all the clay points while the competition was slumping/injured. Not a bad thing, but definitely not the highlight of the #1s of his era.

He was ranked No.1 for 46 weeks previously with Wimbledon title and Olympic gold medal ;)

Yes, and that was well-deserved, but dominating a fringe surface while being a whipping boy of the top players everywhere else is not worthy of the #1 ranking. Wimbledon will tell us whether he's no 1 on paper or the real deal.

well, some people still do not grow up even when they reach 60 :scratch::shrug:

Reported.

Rafa will probably be looked at as a super-Munster during his time at number one. Took all the clay points while the competition was slumping/injured. Not a bad thing, but definitely not the highlight of the #1s of his era.

:yeah:

Yes, and that was well-deserved, but dominating a fringe surface while being a whipping boy of the top players everywhere else is not worthy of the #1 ranking. Wimbledon will tell us whether he's no 1 on paper or the real deal.

Hmmm, last time I checked Rafa had won Wimbledon and the Australian Open. :scratch:

Hmmm, last time I checked Rafa had won Wimbledon and the Australian Open. :scratch:

Last time I checked, he wasn't the title holder at either.

absent from the scene? how many tournaments did he actually miss? queens, wimbledon.

Yes, absent. As in not being in the way of a French Open and Wimbledon. Thousands of points in the clear and No.1 ranking back for Roger.

Nadal trying to copy Murray's service motion.

:hearts::inlove::awww: That's one of the reasons I love Rafa so much. He is always trying to become a better and better player. His work ethics are :worship:.

Rafa will probably be looked at as a super-Munster during his time at number one. Took all the clay points while the competition was slumping/injured. Not a bad thing, but definitely not the highlight of the #1s of his era.

Yeah. Kind of like with Roger last year. You remember when he took all those French Open and Wimbledon points while his main competition was injured and not playing. Not a bad thing, but definitely not the highlight of the time he spent as #1. And ummm...you would not be talking all this shit if Roger had been the one that swept the clay masters and French Open. I'm sure clay would've become the most physically and mentally demanding surface, had that happened.

Yes, and that was well-deserved, but dominating a fringe surface while being a whipping boy of the top players everywhere else is not worthy of the #1 ranking. Wimbledon will tell us whether he's no 1 on paper or the real deal.

:haha::haha::haha:

You really must have started watching tennis since last July. I suggest you go look at Rafa's record before French Open '09. And it wasn't like Roger had such a sparkling record against the top ten before he got his groove back.

:haha::haha::haha:

And fringe surface?! If three masters 1000's and a major is a fringe surface, what the fuck are two events on grass?!

:haha::haha::haha:

Oh, and so Wimbledon is going to tell us, oh, what was it again...oh, yes, um, "...whether he's no.1 on paper or the real deal.". Well, in case you missed this, he has won Wimbledon. So, Roger must not have proven his G.O.A.Tiness because he failed to even reach the semi-final of the slam he won last year, right?

And as for worth, what is that to do with rankings? The rankings are unbiased mathemathics. Who's won events with the most points. That's Rafa. But, please do caveat the hell out who's won what or what win's more important if it'll make your bitter self feel better. :wavey:

points don't lie, whomever wins the most and defends all they can is deserving of #1
is as simple as that

envy is so bad. Of course Rafa deserves to be no 1.

:haha::haha::haha:

You really must have started watching tennis since last July. I suggest you go look at Rafa's record before French Open '09. And it wasn't like Roger had such a sparkling record against the top ten before he got his groove back.

:haha::haha::haha:

And fringe surface?! If three masters 1000's and a major is a fringe surface, what the fuck are two events on grass?!

:haha::haha::haha:

Oh, and so Wimbledon is going to tell us, oh, what was it again...oh, yes, um, "...whether he's no.1 on paper or the real deal.". Well, in case you missed this, he has won Wimbledon. So, Roger must not have proven his G.O.A.Tiness because he failed to even reach the semi-final of the slam he won last year, right?

And as for worth, what is that to do with rankings? The rankings are unbiased mathemathics. Who's won events with the most points. That's Rafa. But, please do caveat the hell out who's won what or what win's more important if it'll make your bitter self feel better. :wavey:

Did not! I started watching tennis in june 2008, thank you very much!

Yes, HC is so dominant that clay and grass are fringe surfaces, even though Wimbledon is the crown jewel of tennis.

Nadal has not won any GS, Masters or even an MM off of clay in the last 52 weeks. Only winning titles on clay does not make one the best player in the world regardless of what the ATP's ridiculous ranking system says.

Rafa doesn't have to deserve anything. He won the No.1 ranking fair and square. And yes, it is as simple as that.

ETA: Then I suggest you take that up with the ATP and not Rafa.

Oh, and can someone explain to me what is the difference between HC-specialist and CC-specialists? Why are we demeaning or valueing one surface over the other? French is the slam McEnroe and Sampras failed to win. John in particular seems pretty envious about that. USO is the slam that escaped Borg. It drove him from tennis for awhile, didn't it? So please, what is the difference? They (and Rafa will be) are still some of the Greatest Tennis Players Of All Time.

Well, I wasn't exactly planning on contacting to Rafa to discuss the legitimacy of his #1 ranking...

That's why I said ATP and might I add ITF and stop being bitter towards Rafael.

Rafa doesn't have to deserve anything. He won the No.1 ranking fair and square. And yes, it is as simple as that.

ETA: Then I suggest you take that up with the ATP and not Rafa.

Oh, and can someone explain to me what is the difference between HC-specialist and CC-specialists? Why are we demeaning or valueing one surface over the other? French is the slam McEnroe and Sampras failed to win. John in particular seems pretty envious about that. USO is the slam that escaped Borg. It drove him from tennis for awhile, didn't it? So please, what is the difference? They (and Rafa will be) are still some of the Greatest Tennis Players Of All Time.

Because HC is the dominant surface and almost everyone is a HC specialist. The world no 1 should be winning big titles on more than 1 surface, although only HC titles would be acceptable because of its dominant position today.

Because HC is the dominant surface and almost everyone is a HC specialist.

ORly? Almost every player on tour is a HC specialist? And so what if hc are more dominant?

The world no 1 should be winning big titles on more than 1 surface,

The world no 1 has.

although only HC titles would be acceptable because of its dominant position today.

:bs:Someone should tell the players then. Apparently the hard work they put in for other surfaces means nothing. :rolleyes:

ORly? Almost every player on tour is a HC specialist? And so what if hc are more dominant?



The world no 1 has.



:bs:Someone should tell the players then. Apparently the hard work they put in for other surfaces means nothing. :rolleyes:

Nadal hasn't won off clay since mars 2009. :rolleyes:

And stop twisting my words.

Nadal hasn't won off clay since mars 2009. :rolleyes:

And stop twisting my words.

Sorry but your argument has no weight. :shrug:

Sorry but your argument has no weight. :shrug:

So I take it you disagree that HC is the dominant surface and that most players are HC specialists? :unsure:

Nadal hasn't won off clay since mars 2009. :rolleyes:

So there is a tournament in the red planet...

So I take it you disagree that HC is the dominant surface and that most players are HC specialists? :unsure:


There are no "HC specialists" among the players.

Nadal is where he is because he's earned the position. If anyone else disagrees with that, then figure out ways to reason why your guys aren't #1 and see if they add up. Because all I see is a bunch of whining from the same petty haters.

There are no "HC specialists" among the players.

Most players prefer HC. Whether you wish to call them "specialists" or not is trivial.

Nadal is where he is because he's earned the position. If anyone else disagrees with that, then figure out ways to reason why your guys aren't #1 and see if they add up. Because all I see is a bunch of whining from the same petty haters.

Nadal is where he is becuase he has collected more ranking points than anyone else over the past 12 months, but that doesn't mean I have to view him as the greatest player over this period of time. If not regarding the ATP ranking system as an infallible and incontestable measure of greatness - like a mindless drone - constitutes petty hating, then I take pride in the words ich bin ein petty hater!

So I take it you disagree that HC is the dominant surface and that most players are HC specialists? :unsure:

Yeah I disagree with that. Remember that the Australian Open used to be on grass, so historically HC has not been the most dominant surface. But what I'm trying to point out is that a victory on HC is not more valid or remarkable than a victory on grass or clay. So give credit where it's due, Nadal deserves to be nº 1. Numbers don't lie. :shrug:
And if we follow your same logic, the fact that Roger has only won Roland Garros once (when Nadal was at his lowest) does that mean that he didn't deserve to be nº1 before that? Nadal has proved that he can be dominant on every surface as his AO and Wimbledon titles suggest. It's incontestable.

i forgot to add Halle 2009 and Monte Carlo 2010 to Shanghai, Tokyo, Dubai that Fed WD from in last 12 months

as i say - he lost #1 more than Nadal gained it.

as i say - he lost #1 more than Nadal gained it.
Nadal didn't need anybody to be injured in order to regain #1....unlike Federer. :p

Nadal didn't need anybody to be injured in order to regain #1....unlike Federer. :p

No, just ill (lung infection). Oh & mono the first time.

Remember that the Australian Open used to be on grass

As well as USO up to 1975 (75-77 it was played on clay (green clay, ouch!).
HC are very much the newcomers.
Besides, if we dismiss clay slams Sweden is one of the countries that loses more (10 titles!!)

No, just ill (lung infection). Oh & mono the first time.

How many times will we have to hear about that mono thing? lamest excuse ever. All players have one injury or another... For that matter we can also say that Federer won Roland Garros last year because Nadal suffered from his knees and had depression due to his parents divorce. :shrug:

Yeah I disagree with that. Remember that the Australian Open used to be on grass, so historically HC has not been the most dominant surface. But what I'm trying to point out is that a victory on HC is not more valid or remarkable than a victory on grass or clay. So give credit where it's due, Nadal deserves to be nº 1. Numbers don't lie. :shrug:
And if we follow your same logic, the fact that Roger has only won Roland Garros once (when Nadal was at his lowest) does that mean that he didn't deserve to be nº1 before that? Nadal has proved that he can be dominant on every surface as his AO and Wimbledon titles suggest. It's incontestable.

It is the dominant surface NOW. Who cares that it wasn't always so? It's totally irrelevant. Roger had multiple slams on different surfaces when at no 1. Completely different situation. Nadal has never been dominant on HC (not that he has to be), but yes, he has shown that he can win slams on all surfaces. Here's the thing though, he hasn't done so since january 2009! The ranking is supposed to reflect who's been the greatest player of the last 12 months. January 2009 was 17 months ago, no? Numbers don't lie? Why do I have to think the player who amassed the most ranking points is the best player? Maybe I consider winning 2 slams on 2 different surfaces a more impressive feat? Is that so shocking?

It is the dominant surface NOW. Who cares that it wasn't always so? It's totally irrelevant. Roger had multiple slams on different surfaces when at no 1. Completely different situation. Nadal has never been dominant on HC (not that he has to be), but yes, he has shown that he can win slams on all surfaces. Here's the thing though, he hasn't done so since january 2009! The ranking is supposed to reflect who's been the greatest player of the last 12 months. January 2009 was 17 months ago, no? Numbers don't lie? Why do I have to think the player who amassed the most ranking points is the best player? Maybe I consider winning 2 slams on 2 different surfaces a more impressive feat? Is that so shocking?

Aren't we talking about this season then? Federer won AO and Nadal won RG. I don't see why Federer deserves it more. :shrug:

Aren't we talking about this season then? Federer won AO and Nadal won RG. I don't see why Federer deserves it more. :shrug:

Nadal has been the best player of the last 5 months, but I will not consider him the best of the last 12 months until he wins Wimbledon or someone other than Federer does...

Nadal is definately the best player in the world when healthy.

i forgot to add Halle 2009 and Monte Carlo 2010 to Shanghai, Tokyo, Dubai that Fed WD from in last 12 months

as i say - he lost #1 more than Nadal gained it.


I don't think Federer ever plannd to play MC 2010 :scratch: Not sure about the other events, either.

And the 2nd part is of course bs :lol:

Nadal is definately the best player in the world when healthy.


Kinda like Sharapova on the WTA, eh ;)

Kinda like Sharapova on the WTA, eh ;)

Sharapova top 3 or 4

Nadal top 1

Sharapova top 3 or 4

Nadal top 1


Ok, that makes (almost) sense :p

Nadal is definately the best player in the world when healthy.

definately

:rolleyes:

Extreme rafatards are definitely annoying.

definately

:rolleyes:

Extreme rafatards are definitely annoying.

if this comment came from an intelligent person, I would be deeply hurt and insulted. However, its come from you then I take it as a massive compliment.:)

if this comment came from an intelligent person, I would be deeply hurt and insulted. However, its come from you then I take it as a massive compliment.:)

Yes, and this coming from a douche that thinks Shutupopova plays elegant tennis means you obviously know very little about tennis in general.

order is restored :worship:

the return of the king... vamos rafa

the return of the king... vamos rafa

:worship:

Now that Nadal is number one, shouldn't Nadal and Federer matches/ discussion be referred to as Naderer as opposed to Fedal?

Almost losing the ranking today makes me appreciate each and every moment he is on top. And thats not to suggest that I don't have belief in him staying on top. The truth is he'll lose it, get it back- and lose ....and so on and so forth. Each moment on top is a moment to savior and continue to grow his legacy. today im just enjoying "this" moment instead of taking it for granted. APPROVED!

Doesn't he still lose number 1 if he loses on Sunday?

Doesn't he still lose number 1 if he loses on Sunday?

I have a higher chance of winning the lottery than nadal losing at a roland garros final

Doesn't he still lose number 1 if he loses on Sunday?

Yeppers. Which is exactly why Im just enjoying the "what is" and not the "what if" or even the "what it WILL be". Today the celebration continues, tomorrow we celebrate again- and Sunday we wait and see... We're either going to continue celebrating or wait to celebrate when he regains the top spot- win today or win tomorrow, either way WINNING!

Nice jinxing thread. I've got a fear it'll work.

how ironic that it is federer of all players who saved rafas number one spot.

how ironic that it is federer of all players who saved rafas number one spot.

yep. And federer, of all fucking players, is going to let rafa tie the great bjorn borg. Hell, i wouldnt be surprised if federer of all people was the one who loses to rafa when rafa gets a 15th or 16th slam

yep. And federer, of all fucking players, is going to let rafa tie the great bjorn borg. Hell, i wouldnt be surprised if federer of all people was the one who loses to rafa when rafa gets a 15th or 16th slam

Do you expect someone like Federer will just lose so Rafa can lose? He still thinks he can win RG against Nadal. Nadal also wouldnt lose on purpose if he was in the position of Federer.