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Retrospectively, has Federer missed his best opportunity to beat Nadal in Paris?

2003
06-04-2010, 11:13 PM
Although I think other players have stepped up this year, Nadal has not looked as concise as other years at Roland Garros. Even the match Federer and Nadal had at Madrid was close.

Had Federer overcome Soderling and Berdytch, and given it is likely to be raining on Sunday, was this Federers best chance to take Nadal out here and add one of the important checks to his GOAT list?

Or would he have crumbled anyway?

For the first four rounds, Federer looked much better than he did in the 2009 tournament up until that point..it really does reinforce he was pretty lucky in the 2009 tournament.

Everko
06-04-2010, 11:17 PM
His best chance was the 1st timen when Rafa was young and unexperienced. But Federer failed and probably figured he would be able to do it soon. Little did he know.

LocoPorElTenis
06-04-2010, 11:28 PM
I see that Everko removed from his signature that Söderling will never pass round of 16 of a slam again :lol:

2003
06-04-2010, 11:32 PM
Hey who dicked with my poll lol..AJ 10-1.

marcRD
06-04-2010, 11:39 PM
Nadal wont get any better next year.

coonster14
06-04-2010, 11:41 PM
i think he would have lost to rafa again anyway.

even though fed won FO last year, i agree the pressure would have been off fed now that he finally has a FO title under his belt, but the pattern in the match would have been the same as it has been in 10 out of their 12 matches played on clay: fed could have blown a huge lead in each set, or had 25 BP's the whole match, and dumped 2nd serve returns into the bottom of the net.

rafa has a serious mental hold over fed, one that i do not think fed will ever escape from until he retires.

too bad fed lost in QF to soderling, was looking forward to seeing how fed would fare against rafa at RG this year.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 11:43 PM
Tomas would of destroyed Roger :rocker2:

andy neyer
06-04-2010, 11:58 PM
Federer would not have beaten Nadal this year either.

Out of the entire ATP, I think Soda is the one with the best shot to beat Nadal in RG (well, maybe Delpo and Nalby should be included first but they're injured) so I think it's fair that he has to play Nadal for the title.

I dunno what next year will be like. Fed will be almost 30 and Nadal, well, I have no idea what level of tennis he will be playing one year from now.

Persimmon
06-05-2010, 12:29 AM
Fed's best chance was in 2006.

NADALbULLS
06-05-2010, 07:31 AM
Although I think other players have stepped up this year, Nadal has not looked as concise as other years at Roland Garros. Even the match Federer and Nadal had at Madrid was close.

Had Federer overcome Soderling and Berdytch, and given it is likely to be raining on Sunday, was this Federers best chance to take Nadal out here and add one of the important checks to his GOAT list?

Or would he have crumbled anyway?

For the first four rounds, Federer looked much better than he did in the 2009 tournament up until that point..it really does reinforce he was pretty lucky in the 2009 tournament.

Nadal is playing less than concise because he's going for a lot more winners than he's ever gone for. Its to counter the big-hitters like Soderling. That seems to have been the plan throughout this season - don't care about unforced errors, just make sure you get the winners - and it's worked, he's won 3 masters shields and every set at roland garros. Nadal is actually playing more like Agassi now than Nadal.

gorgo1986
06-05-2010, 07:46 AM
Tomas would of destroyed Roger :rocker2:


Tomas has the weapons and talent to beat anyone, unfortunately he does not believe in himself. Much of success in tennis is in the head.

paseo
06-05-2010, 08:16 AM
Nadal is actually playing more like Agassi now than Nadal.

Sure, sure.

2003
06-05-2010, 09:14 AM
Tomas has the weapons and talent to beat anyone, unfortunately he does not believe in himself. Much of success in tennis is in the head.

This is so true, we saw it in Melbourne in 2009 when he was leading 2 sets to 0 over Federer, on serve in the third, and he choked it away by missing an EASY putaway.

He did this again yesterday against Soderling, smashing an easy forehand into the net.

I do think he would go alright against Nadal though.

Certinfy
06-05-2010, 10:16 AM
His mental side is improving all the time this year though :shrug: I mean fair enough he still chokes but the chokes are every now and then.

As for that Melbourne match, I actually thought he did quite well to get over missing those easy volleys and overhead in the 3rd set, I think that hawkeye call in the beginning of the 4th pushed his limit a bit too far though, and then we saw him play like shit.

Either way I think we'll find out a lot more of Tomas this year mental wise. ;)

RIboy
06-05-2010, 10:37 AM
yes in 2008

tennis2tennis
06-05-2010, 11:08 AM
His best chance was the 1st timen when Rafa was young and unexperienced. But Federer failed and probably figured he would be able to do it soon. Little did he know.
your input is void 'cause your vows are hallow...,;)

Commander Data
06-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Fed's best chance was in 2006.

this. should have won rom and then rg that year. that was his best shot

other opportunities may arise in later years tough.

oranges
06-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Tomas has the weapons and talent to beat anyone, unfortunately he does not believe in himself. Much of success in tennis is in the head.

:rolleyes: Do you feel smart regurgitating "common wisdom". I highly doubt you make a slam semi without self-belief and even more that once you doubt, you enter it without it. In fact, he has far more of it than your beloved Verdasco ever had or will have prior to a match with Nadal and yes, I mean that AO classic too.

M4RC
06-05-2010, 03:23 PM
:rolleyes:

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 03:31 PM
he will never beat nadal in paris unless nadal breaks a leg

Chloe le Bopper
06-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Federer was never going to beat Rafa at RG anyway - why is this a thread? It matters not, as Fed won RG anyway. Yay.

MalwareDie
06-05-2010, 06:39 PM
NADAL=mc² should be banned from posting.

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:44 PM
I don't think Roger can ever nor will ever beat Rafa on clay regardless, so my answer is N/A.

MalwareDie
06-05-2010, 06:46 PM
I don't think Roger can ever nor will ever beat Rafa on grass regardless, so my answer is N/A.

:lol:

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:50 PM
:lol:

Oops! :o:p

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:51 PM
My mind is on grass court mode, I'm ready for the clay to be ova!

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 06:52 PM
Well put it this way, if both Nadal and Fed make the wimbledon final this year I would definately back nadal. He is the better grass courter (federer used to be the best from 2003-2007)

gorgo1986
06-05-2010, 07:13 PM
:rolleyes: Do you feel smart regurgitating "common wisdom". I highly doubt you make a slam semi without self-belief and even more that once you doubt, you enter it without it. In fact, he has far more of it than your beloved Verdasco ever had or will have prior to a match with Nadal and yes, I mean that AO classic too.

Pull the stick out of your ass and take a deep breath! Go pick fights with the other kids in the playground, I do not have any time for it. What I meant was that Berdych is one of the most talented players on the tour, he has all of the weapons to be a top player but he lacks the confidence in the big matches. So far this year he is improving but he needs to take the next step in order to be part of the elite. This year he has been close to taking out Soderling, Nadal, etc. in key matches but despite having all the tools he often lacks the confidence to pull the trigger.

As far as Verdasco, everybody already knows he lacks the mentality but like Berdych he is making strides and gaining confidence but it has not been enough to take the next step and win some of those big matches.(he had a great chance this year at the French but he severely overplayed and arrived in dire straits.)

oranges
06-05-2010, 08:23 PM
^^ I don't know what is more kindergartenish than getting your panties in bunch as soon as someone says something you don't like about your chosen Apollos of the ATP when it actually has merit, but to compensate you need this clueless eternal wisdoms on anyone else. Unlike your chosen hottie, Berdych has already demonstrated he has what it takes. Twice. :wavey:

decrepitude
06-05-2010, 09:35 PM
Dammit I want to change my vote! I voted "we will never know" without noticing the last option!

laurie-1
06-05-2010, 10:42 PM
I honestly think Federer doesn't believe he can beat Nadal in Paris, especially after the 2008 final.

2003
06-05-2010, 11:40 PM
[QUOTE=oranges;10009448I highly doubt you make a slam semi without self-belief and even more that once you doubt, you enter it without it. In fact, he has far more of it than your beloved Verdasco ever had or will have prior to a match with Nadal and yes, I mean that AO classic too.[/QUOTE]

There is a difference though between having belief in yourself generally, and having a meltdown when you get into the tight situations.

Berdytch reached that Semi without being challenged in any big way, having not lost a set.

You can have confidence in yourself but still lose your rag a bit when things don't go your way, like for example when his challenge replay wouldn't come up in Melbourne.

To be fair he showed a very good attitude generally yesterday in the semi, a much bigger improvement. But IMO, once that 5th set came, even though Berdytch looked the fitter of the two on the day, there was only ever going to be one winner.

oranges
06-06-2010, 12:40 AM
Berdytch reached that Semi without being challenged in any big way, having not lost a set.


I shouldn't really respond to you until at least you stop with the stupid nicknames, but since you restrained yourself in this post and it actually attempts to make some sense, what the heck. So, in your opinion, winning everything in straights, including over 4th seed, is a bad thing? If he struggled and won, you'd be more convinced? The fact that he was in a (more than) tight situation the last time he beat Federer is of no consequence, he needed to do it here against Murray or anyone else for that matter, rather than steamroll them? As for the semi, you could have fooled me, I thought his served went to pieces and a few other things as well because he was the more tired one. In short, there is nothing from this season indicating he would not close out the match if he played Federer and ran away with it. Whether he would or not is another matter, but insisting on a meltdown as a given is crap, pure and simple.