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samanosuke
06-04-2010, 05:15 PM
Who will win ?

federernadalfan
06-04-2010, 05:15 PM
id say rafa in three or four for his fifth title

Fiberlight1
06-04-2010, 05:16 PM
That was fast.

Nadal in four

Orka_n
06-04-2010, 05:17 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/nd6al2.jpg

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 05:17 PM
Soderling in 4. Bye bye Rafa :wavey:

tyruk14
06-04-2010, 05:17 PM
Robin in four. He'll do to Nadal what Melzer did towards the end of the third set, but he'll do it for the whole match; and he'll do it better; more consistently; with more depth.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Soderling in 4. If Soderling plays well, Nadal has no chance.

Edith09
06-04-2010, 05:18 PM
If Soderling holds his nerves, he might have a chance, so I think Soda in 4.

Everko
06-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Nadal 6-4 6-1 6-2

ImmzB
06-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Nadal in 3

enigma
06-04-2010, 05:19 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/nd6al2.jpg



:haha::woohoo:

Shirogane
06-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Rafa in 4, probably.

hadouken!
06-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Can't wait to see this match :drool: I think Nadal will win

green25814
06-04-2010, 05:20 PM
It could honestly go either way.

However, that will mainly depend on how Soderling plays. If he's at his peak, he should win, and there's nothing Nadal can do about it.

MalwareDie
06-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Robin Soderling in 4.

enigma
06-04-2010, 05:22 PM
soda in 4, probably.

The Magician
06-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Nadal's mental strength is gone along with his knees. Can't see him winning, even if he's up 2 sets like today. soderling will not be tired like Melzer and he definitely won't choke with dropshots and poor approach shots. Sod in 3/4.

kobulingam
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
I can't see Nadal winning this. Soderling will hit through him in 4.

superslam77
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
vamos Soderking...beat the hog from manacor!!!

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
If Rainy, Sod in 4
If sunny like today, Rafa in 4 or 5.

I want Sod to win. Rafa has enough titles. One grand slam and Sod could be that other guy on tour in addition to top 4

centralviva
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Nadal Will get Revenge in straight sets no messing around this year, Hope the sod enjoys his two runner up plates

Jomp1
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Go Robin :) Not gonna lie, weather might affect the outcome and also my prediction. Go grab world no.4 fellow countryman :)

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Whoever wins this will have a great run at Wimbledon IMO, would be nice to see them play their as well :devil:

Baghdatis72
06-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Soderling in 5 sets. Nadal will win 2nd and 4th set.

Blondie1985
06-04-2010, 05:25 PM
Bye Neanderthal!!!!

prima donna
06-04-2010, 05:27 PM
Nadal in five.

Mashachosen1
06-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Rafa in 4

Selby
06-04-2010, 05:28 PM
R.Soderling in 4 sets.
If Soderling plays exactly like he played against Federer then surely he'll win.

Luinir
06-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Sunday will be rainy, too bad for Rafa.

andy neyer
06-04-2010, 05:28 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/nd6al2.jpg

:lol:

gaitare
06-04-2010, 05:29 PM
Nadal is nervous as hell which is good to see. In the first sets against Bellucci and Almagro he was mishitting the ball like one in four shots (of course his technique gives him a big margin of error and most of those mishits land in which makes life even more difficult for his opponents), today his attempt on serving out the match was laughable, although credit to Melzer.

Soderling will feed on Nadal's balls sitting up for him.

Soderling for the title.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:30 PM
Sod couldn't see the ball today. If he sees the ball, it's all over. You hear me boy. I wish Sod to wear the t-shirt of Barcelona to match. Is that possible? Maybe a t-shirt of Barca with #1 on it like Fed did something similar against Roddick

B.z.A.
06-04-2010, 05:30 PM
Who will win ?

Oh, you are alive! ;)
Soda will win 3-1

DwyaneWade
06-04-2010, 05:30 PM
Nadal is too nervous, lost his confidence. Soderling in 4.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 05:31 PM
Robin will save Roger's ass again :o

kinski76
06-04-2010, 05:31 PM
I'm really looking forward to this final, regardless of the outcome. This could go the distance. My money's on Nadal, if the conditions are anything like today, but I think he'll drop at least one set here.

Dyraise
06-04-2010, 05:32 PM
Not public poll?
Rafa in 3 ;)

Adri89
06-04-2010, 05:33 PM
Tough match. I expect it to be the first 5 setters in RG for Rafa. And I see him win it because he is still more consistant than Soderling mentally and physically.

prafull
06-04-2010, 05:34 PM
Nadal will win this in a scoreline similar to Rome last year and Federer will be satisfied that he was able to take more games in 2008 final.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Tough match. I expect it to be the first 5 setters in RG for Rafa. And I see him win it because he is still more consistant than Soderling mentally and physically.

You are just a Rafatard with France flag. haha. Let's just enjoy the tennis whoever wins (which we all know it's going to be the sod man). Rafa is over the hill guy.

Dyraise
06-04-2010, 05:36 PM
First top 20 for Rafa!!

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 05:36 PM
Soderling.

Priam
06-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Gonna be a tough match for sure, no? I think it'll be tight with Nadal prevailing in 3.5 hours.

DwyaneWade
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
tight poll...50-50

shawshank
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
Rafa please save tennis and win this final! We don't want Robin as a Grand Slam winner. I think Nadal will win in 4 sets. Let's go for the 7th Slam!

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
I think todays match has done Soderling some benefit. I think he'll win in 4.

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 05:39 PM
Rafa please save tennis and win this final! We don't want Robin as a Grand Slam winner. I think Nadal will win in 4 sets. Let's go for the 7th Slam!

Speak for yourself....

samanosuke
06-04-2010, 05:41 PM
Soderling has a chance if conditions will be heavy

Arkulari
06-04-2010, 05:41 PM
Rafa in 4, but it can be tight, somehow Toad is usually bringing it all when playing Rafa lately :unsure:

tyruk14
06-04-2010, 05:42 PM
Robin had more of the popular vote in the other thread. Mod is biased :D

kobulingam
06-04-2010, 05:43 PM
Conditions are going to be very wet and heavy on Sunday.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:43 PM
Speak for yourself....
+100. Save us? Save we? We need to arrest the queen. That's what I think and anybody else that uses royal terms. It's 21st century. All these kings, queens, and princes belong in jail.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 05:46 PM
Nadal 3-0

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 05:47 PM
It amazes me how many people are picking Soderling, based primarily on what happened last year. It's a different year, and he's playing a healthier, smarter Rafa, so by NO means will be anything like last year. Nadal will be more prepared for Soderling than people may think, and he'll definitely be more offensive-minded in Sunday's final.

If Soderling plays anything like he did today, he will be the runner-up once again. I'm going with Rafa, not because he's my favorite player, but because my gut feeling tells me that he will do whatever it takes to ensure that he regains that title and the No. 1 ranking.


By the way, who will Fed be cheering for?

samanosuke
06-04-2010, 05:47 PM
Conditions are going to be very wet and heavy on Sunday.

Soderling's chances are raised up . Last year he has beaten Rafa in almost similar conditions as in his match against federer this year

ossie
06-04-2010, 05:48 PM
would be nice if rafa won rg without dropping a set but he might lose one if hes playing like he did in the end against melzer

Nichele Hull
06-04-2010, 05:48 PM
Nadal has Strep throat so Soderling in four sets

Everko
06-04-2010, 05:49 PM
#7 will come soon

born_on_clay
06-04-2010, 05:50 PM
Rafa in 3

dusan1610
06-04-2010, 05:51 PM
Rafa very easy.

Xristos
06-04-2010, 05:51 PM
Sod in 4.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-04-2010, 05:52 PM
I went for Soderling in four but I find this very difficult to call. What is certain is that Nadal is going to have to attack. If he just tries to defend all the time, he is going to be target practice for Soderling's groundstrokes.

Guille.
06-04-2010, 05:53 PM
Win it FFS Robin:tears:

tennisace28
06-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Conditions are wet and rainy on sunday, as much as I WANT RAFA TO TAKE HIS 7TH SLAM, ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR HIM ON SUNDAY, the swede is gonna hit right through him. Nadal has not played one solid match from start to finish in roland garros 2010. The end of the Melzer match was a mini disaster for rafa and anyone who had a slightly more solid game would have forced this match to a fourth and anything can happen then. If anyone wants to MAKE EASY MONEY, HEAD TO YOUR NEAREST BOOKIE AND GO BIG ON THE SWEDE! 4.5 ODDS TO BEAT RAFA ON SUNDAY, EASY MONEY I RECKON. Personally im a huge rafa fan so I wont be betting against him but my brain is telling me that everyone of rafa's offensive shots on clay falls right into soderling's wheelhouse. The big swede is going to smash backhands and forehands all day long and the thick heavy conditions on sunday will play right into the swede's game. I have a bad feeling that Sunday is going to be a very sad day for rafa.

tennisfaNo1
06-04-2010, 05:57 PM
heavy weather
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/FRXX0076?begHour=7&begDay=157

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:58 PM
It amazes me how many people are picking Soderling, based primarily on what happened last year. It's a different year, and he's playing a healthier, smarter Rafa, so by NO means will be anything like last year. Nadal will be more prepared for Soderling than people may think, and he'll definitely be more offensive-minded in Sunday's final.

If Soderling plays anything like he did today, he will be the runner-up once again. I'm going with Rafa, not because he's my favorite player, but because my gut feeling tells me that he will do whatever it takes to ensure that he regains that title and the No. 1 ranking.


By the way, who will Fed be cheering for?

I usually try not to respond to rafatards but this is beyond what I can take:

1. it won't be like last year. -- it was not supposed to be like last year either, get it? Rafa had Sod beat 0 and 1 a couple of weeks before.
2. more offensive minded Rafa -- Sod will be in each Rafa's game.
3. Rafa will be ready -- Sod beat him the last couple of times. The exhibition doesn't really count but I guess it does to Rafa fanatics.
4. My gut feeling.... Right. So you are pulling hard for Rafa and wonder why your gut feels that way?
5. chill out dude. Win or lose, Rafa will never have double digit slams. :devil::devil::devil:

Roamed
06-04-2010, 05:58 PM
MTF logic tells us in advance that if Rafa wins, Soderling is a one-shot wonder, and if Soderling wins, Rafa should retire.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 05:59 PM
I went for Soderling in four but I find this very difficult to call. What is certain is that Nadal is going to have to attack. If he just tries to defend all the time, he is going to be target practice for Soderling's groundstrokes.

I think people forget that Sod has given Rafa a tough match almost all the time except one or twice. Even had Rafa in trouble in Wimbledon, which is Sod's worse surface by all accounts (now that he is the 2nd best player on clay).

tennisace28
06-04-2010, 06:00 PM
I need to add that Rafa's return of serve has been disastrous since the first round of roland garros 2010. His return of serve is so shaky at the moment and thats going to allow soderling to hold serve very easily and in turn soderling can attack the rafa serve every chance he gets. I just dont see how rafa is going to solve this problem by sunday. RAFA NEEDS TO GET HIS RETURN OF SERVE GOING DEEP to have any chance on sunday or soderling is going 2 bury him fast...

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 06:00 PM
The match is on Soderling's racket. It's as simple as Simon. If he plays to a high standard, then he will win the title.

But of course, whether he will or not is another matter. Nadal will rally, and grind, and try to force him to overhit. It's all about hitting the target.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:02 PM
Rafa is going to play his best

vamooooooos

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 06:03 PM
The match is on Soderling's racket. It's as simple as Simon. If he plays to a high standard, then he will win the title.

But of course, whether he will or not is another matter. Nadal will rally, and grind, and try to force him to overhit. It's all about hitting the target.

+100. Exactly. I mean we all know he choked against Roger last year. He corrected that wrong this year. Let's hope he doesn't let the final get to him like it got to Murray at AO

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 06:08 PM
I usually try not to respond to rafatards but this is beyond what I can take:

1. it won't be like last year. -- it was not supposed to be like last year either, get it? Rafa had Sod beat 0 and 1 a couple of weeks before.
2. more offensive minded Rafa -- Sod will be in each Rafa's game.
3. Rafa will be ready -- Sod beat him the last couple of times. The exhibition doesn't really count but I guess it does to Rafa fanatics.
4. My gut feeling.... Right. So you are pulling hard for Rafa and wonder why your gut feels that way?
5. chill out dude. Win or lose, Rafa will never have double digit slams. :devil::devil::devil:

I respect your opinion, but you're opinion is still based on what happened LAST YEAR. Even if Rafa doesn't reach double digit slams, he's done more than any of his haters could accomplish in a lifetime.

Orka_n
06-04-2010, 06:10 PM
Robin has enough power to blow a hole in Nadal's wall of defense. Moonballer's only chance come sunday is to have great depth on his shots, like Berdych had today in set 2 and 3. That's how you keep Robin at bay... but I honestly don't think Nadal will be able to produce those kind of strokes, not for a whole match.
Soderking in 4.

Corey Feldman
06-04-2010, 06:13 PM
Nadal in 4 followed by histrionic celebrations

connectolove
06-04-2010, 06:13 PM
I am glad that Nadal is not the overwhelming favorite anymore because he tends to do better when he smells danger and this is DANGER. I am so looking forward this match... I hope that we get a great show.

Nekromanta
06-04-2010, 06:14 PM
Hey guys, your time is running out so start some more Söder threads before Rafa teaches you all a lesson about who the Real Elite player is by Beating Söder in straights.

connectolove
06-04-2010, 06:16 PM
I usually try not to respond to rafatards but this is beyond what I can take:

1. it won't be like last year. -- it was not supposed to be like last year either, get it? Rafa had Sod beat 0 and 1 a couple of weeks before.
2. more offensive minded Rafa -- Sod will be in each Rafa's game.
3. Rafa will be ready -- Sod beat him the last couple of times. The exhibition doesn't really count but I guess it does to Rafa fanatics.
4. My gut feeling.... Right. So you are pulling hard for Rafa and wonder why your gut feels that way?
5. chill out dude. Win or lose, Rafa will never have double digit slams. :devil::devil::devil:

Rafa will have double digit slams, he is going no-where and still has many years ahead of him.

Priam
06-04-2010, 06:17 PM
2 wishes for the match:

a. both players play their best
b. no rain delays

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 06:20 PM
Robin has enough power to blow a hole in Nadal's wall of defense. Moonballer's only chance come sunday is to have great depth on his shots, like Berdych had today in set 2 and 3. That's how you keep Robin at bay... but I honestly don't think Nadal will be able to produce those kind of strokes, not for a whole match.
Soderking in 4.

Yes. Exactly. Last year. At Masters Cup. Sod has always troubled Rafa except one or two times. If you think this is going to be straight forward when Belluci had Rafa running ragged and Melzer challenged him, think again. Oh. Last year people were saying Sod will get triple bageled. Then Rafa mysteriously became injured.

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 06:20 PM
Doomsday for Rafa.

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Rafa will have double digit slams, he is going no-where and still has many years ahead of him.

Get real. When the real No.1 Del Potro comes back, Novak finds his serve, Murray wins his first slam, Cilic steps up, Rafa won't have to play guys like Melzer or Belucci to reach the final. He'll have tough competition everywhere. Don't forget about Berdych and Soderling who are getting mentally stronger.

l_mac
06-04-2010, 06:21 PM
However, that will mainly depend on how Soderling plays. If he's at his peak, he should win, and there's nothing Nadal can do about it.

I disagree. I think the match will depend on Rafa's form.

Rafa's form = nervy, erratic and too desperate for the win.

Sod in 4.

TMJordan
06-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Robin gonna smash him.

RafaTheBest
06-04-2010, 06:22 PM
Nadal is too nervous, lost his confidence. Soderling in 4.

Yeah, I'm sure his confidence is just shot after having not lost a set. You are such a moron! :lol:

tennisace28
06-04-2010, 06:22 PM
i feel the bookmakers eg. willhill and ladbrokes have not assessed the weather conditions before giving soderling 4.50 ODDS TO WIN ON SUNDAY! its clearly going to be a wet rainy day and the big serving swede is gonna be lovin the heavy conditions. Rafa is doomed on sunday, the weather Gods have seen to this. I am by no means downsizing soderlings game by saying the weather is going to assist the swede, as I have the utmost respect for soderling's monster forehands and backhands. Some of those cannons he unleashed towards federer in the quaterfinals were some of the biggest shots i have ever seen being hit on a tennis court. And that includes even in fast conditions like wimbledon, usopen etc. Rafa will have no chance if the swede even plays 75% of how he did against fed in sets 3 and 4 in the quarterfinals. ONCE AGAIN I REPEAT, EASY MONEY FOR GAMBLERS IF THEY GO WITH SODA IN THE FINALS.

BlueSwan
06-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Realistically, Rafa in three or four sets. Söderling has got exactly the tools to beat Rafa on any surface, but he will need to play as brilliantly as he did against Federer and I don't think he'll pull it off. I hope he will, but I don't think so.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Hey guys, your time is running out so start some more Söder threads before Rafa teaches you all a lesson about who the Real Elite player is by Beating Söder in straights.

:worship::worship:

Elena.
06-04-2010, 06:23 PM
Definitely Nadal

Sillyrabbit
06-04-2010, 06:25 PM
Doomsday for Rafa.

On MTF maybe. If he loses which there's a huge chance of, questions will be asked and tennis will move on.

andy neyer
06-04-2010, 06:25 PM
After the final, 2 things might happen to the general perception of Soderling on MTF

1- Wins the final = hero, king, viking warrior, future number 1

1- Loses the final = loser, mug, choker.

One match will decide the fate of Soderling's bandwagon on MTF.

Priam
06-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Rafa probably misses Fed right about now. I'm sure he'd rather play him. It will be a little weird though having another player across the net after so many years.

Pablin777
06-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Soderling has no chance really... not even at his peak... not even the rain is gonna help him....
Rafa in 4 playing not even well.
Everybody who said Soderling is gonna win really needs to get over Federer was defeated.
285 but not 286...

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 06:28 PM
Get real. When the real No.1 Del Potro comes back, Novak finds his serve, Murray wins his first slam, Cilic steps up, Rafa won't have to play guys like Melzer or Belucci to reach the final. He'll have tough competition everywhere. Don't forget about Berdych and Soderling who are getting mentally stronger.

Berdych isn't getting mentally stronger, so I don't know how you got to that conclusion. Did you even watch today's match? That wasn't mentally strong. That was mentally STUPID!!!

connectolove
06-04-2010, 06:30 PM
Get real. When the real No.1 Del Potro comes back, Novak finds his serve, Murray wins his first slam, Cilic steps up, Rafa won't have to play guys like Melzer or Belucci to reach the final. He'll have tough competition everywhere. Don't forget about Berdych and Soderling who are getting mentally stronger.

Yes, let's both get real... all of these players have one thing or another as well and they lack convinction and strenght; that's the way it is. I am not saying that Rafa is going to win this RG or be #1 for a decade but I can not go ahead and say that he is done because everybody else is improving ... there is room for improvement in Rafa's game and that man is a fighter, he is not going to let go. I think that he is going to delight us enormously in years to come and he will win a few more Grand Slams.

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 06:31 PM
After the final, 2 things might happen to the general perception of Soderling on MTF

1- Wins the final = hero, king, viking warrior, future number 1

1- Loses the final = loser, mug, choker.

One match will decide the fate of Soderling's bandwagon on MTF.

Similar outlook for Rafa:

1- Wins the final = savior of tennis, king, clay warrior, future GOAT.

1- Loses the final = Done, complete ownage by Sod. moonballing clown.

connectolove
06-04-2010, 06:33 PM
Rafa probably misses Fed right about now. I'm sure he'd rather play him. It will be a little weird though having another player across the net after so many years.

I agree. Also because the rivalry between Rafa and Fed is very civilised, there is no animosity at all; just two great very different players trying to win but respecting each other at all times.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:33 PM
Similar outlook for Rafa:

1- Wins the final = savior of tennis, king, clay warrior, future GOAT.

1- Loses the final = Done, complete ownage by Sod. moonballing clown.

Nadal IS the king of clay already and no one is asking :rolleyes:

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Nadal IS the king of clay already and no one is asking :rolleyes:
Actually Borg is the king of clay.

connectolove
06-04-2010, 06:35 PM
Actually Borg is the king of clay.

But Borg is about to lose it to Rafa...

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:38 PM
No, he's not. Borg won 5 FO in a row, something Nadal hasn't done. Borg is the king of clay, and always will be.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:39 PM
Actually Borg is the king of clay.

In 70s

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:41 PM
In 70s
In history.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:41 PM
No, he's not. Borg won 5 FO in a row, something Nadal hasn't done. Borg is the king of clay, and always will be.

Nadal probably won every thing on clay. Borg is a great player a GOAT but Nadal is also the king of clay. What is with the hate? chill

Priam
06-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Both won 4 in a row. I don't really care though. Sunday cannot come soon enough.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Seems to be a big difference between MTF's assessment of this match and the bookmakers' assessment.

Sillyrabbit
06-04-2010, 06:42 PM
No, he's not. Borg won 5 FO in a row, something Nadal hasn't done. Borg is the king of clay, and always will be.

Okay, Nadal is the 2nd best player of all time on clay. Satisfied? What a terrible position to be in, he probably cries himself to sleep every night.

gaitare
06-04-2010, 06:43 PM
Similar outlook for Rafa:

1- Wins the final = savior of tennis, king, clay warrior, future GOAT.

1- Loses the final = Done, complete ownage by Sod. moonballing clown.

I think this has been established already, the final has nothing to do with it, it's an irrefutable fact :angel:

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:43 PM
Nadal probably won every thing on clay. Borg is a great player a GOAT but Nadal is also the king of clay. What is with the hate? chill
Borg won everything on clay too, not to mention 5 FOs in a row. Borg is the clay GOAT.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:44 PM
Okay, Nadal is the 2nd best player of all time on clay. Satisfied? What a terrible position to be in, he probably cries himself to sleep every night.
That's much more like it :)

Borg is the greatest of all time on clay, while Nadal is the runner up :)

Not so hard to understand :)

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:44 PM
In history.

Nadal is still 24, I know Borg is amazing I haven't seen him unfortunately but we all know he is great. But when I say Nadal is the king of clay, I don't mean in comparison to Borg, I just state the fact that Nadal is one of the best clay players ever, it doesn't matter if he is 1, 2 or 3 in this category.

Sillyrabbit
06-04-2010, 06:46 PM
That's much more like it :)

Borg is the greatest of all time on clay, while Nadal is the runner up :)

Not so hard to understand :)

I wasn't agreeing with you just to be clear, I just think it's a pointless argument like the Federer/Sampras GOAT argument.

Priam
06-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Current poll numbers by MTFers: 50-42 Nadal.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:49 PM
Nadal is still 24, I know Borg is amazing I haven't seen him unfortunately but we all know he is great. But when I say Nadal is the king of clay, I don't mean in comparison to Borg, I just state the fact that Nadal is one of the best clay players ever, it doesn't matter if he is 1, 2 or 3 in this category.
And it doesn't matter if he's king of clay atm, Borg will always be the king of clay :)
I wasn't agreeing with you just to be clear, I just think it's a pointless argument like the Federer/Sampras GOAT argument.
Borg is the clay GOAT, Sampras is the grass GOAT, Federer is THE GOAT.

tyruk14
06-04-2010, 06:52 PM
I agree that Borg's clay-court resumé is better than Nadal's at this point, but he didn't win five French Opens in a row. Check it out.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:53 PM
:ange: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:

Much more like it :) :) :) :)

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:53 PM
And it doesn't matter if he's king of clay atm, Borg will always be the king of clay :)

Borg is the clay GOAT, Sampras is the grass GOAT, Federer is THE GOAT.

okay, just calm down and try to be less aggressive with people :hug:

GuiroNl
06-04-2010, 06:53 PM
No, he's not. Borg won 5 FO in a row, something Nadal hasn't done. Borg is the king of clay, and always will be.

Nobody has won 5 FO in a row in the open era.

DwyaneWade
06-04-2010, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I'm sure his confidence is just shot after having not lost a set. You are such a moron! :lol:

I'm a fan of his, but it is true. He is winning matches because his game is that well-suited for clay. But everything about his body language (swiping his racket, throwing his arms up, shaking his head when he misses) suggests a player who is battling himself more than ever in the past. He absolutely choked in that 3rd set, very similar to how he threw away games in his matches against Ljubicic and Roddick this year.

alter ego
06-04-2010, 06:56 PM
Wha the hell has Borg doing in this thread ? Soderling in 4.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:59 PM
Nobody has won 5 FO in a row in the open era.
Sorry 4 in a row, and 6 overall.
6 in a row, something Nadull can only dream of getting. And even if he does, he has to break it to be the clay GOAT, which I don't think poor Rafa can do :awww:

straitup
06-04-2010, 07:01 PM
I want Soderling...but I also want it to go 5.

Clydey
06-04-2010, 07:03 PM
Couldn't have scripted a better final. Looking forward to this, particularly given their history. Thank fuck we don't have to suffer through another Federer-Nadal final.

prima donna
06-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Couldn't have scripted a better final. Looking forward to this, particularly given their history. Thank fuck we don't have to suffer through another Federer-Nadal final.
Tell me about it: Nadal-Federer finals are every bit as enthralling as Federer-Murray finals.

Etern
06-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Somehow I feel it would be really lousy from Nadal if he didn't win. I mean, he is playing on his best surface against a player who hasn't been close to winning a slam (last year wasn't close) and isn't a natural claycourter. Plus Söderling is the one with a 5-seter in his legs. I really hope Söderling will win but everything has been going Nadals way this year (it even looks like Söderling has Nadals knee-problems this year) so if he looses he will feel really "cold" to me.

But it must be a great final for Nadal fans, a chance for so much payback.

I just hope it will be great tennis and that both play well

Foxy
06-04-2010, 07:08 PM
That's much more like it :)

Borg is the greatest of all time on clay, while Nadal is the runner up :)

Not so hard to understand :)

Borg didn't have the balls to stay in tour beyond 25-26yo. What a clay GOAT, huh?! :confused:

Clydey
06-04-2010, 07:16 PM
Tell me about it: Nadal-Federer finals are every bit as enthralling as Federer-Murray finals.

At least we've only been forced to endure that twice.

Allegretto
06-04-2010, 07:19 PM
Soderling to put in a Murray-esque final appearance and be hammered in three easy sets.

connectolove
06-04-2010, 07:22 PM
Nadal is still 24, I know Borg is amazing I haven't seen him unfortunately but we all know he is great. But when I say Nadal is the king of clay, I don't mean in comparison to Borg, I just state the fact that Nadal is one of the best clay players ever, it doesn't matter if he is 1, 2 or 3 in this category.

I agree, Nadal is the ACTUAL/PRESENT King
LONG LIVE THE KING... until another one dethrones him.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Borg didn't have the balls to stay in tour beyond 25-26yo. What a clay GOAT, huh?! :confused:
That's just it, had he stayed on, he would probably have more slams than Federer. Borg would've been the overall GOAR had he played on. He'd probably have 9/10 RG titles too, and maybe even 9/10 Wimby titles.

Daniel123
06-04-2010, 07:26 PM
Nadal is obviously favorite but Robin has a great chance. GOGOGO! :)

madmax
06-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Easy - Soda in 3

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Now seriously, Sod in 4 (if he is not too nervous). Sod is a bad matchup for Nadal. If Sod plays like he did against Fed I fail to see what Nadal is gonna do about it.

Clydey
06-04-2010, 07:40 PM
Now seriously, Sod in 4 (if he is not too nervous). Sod is a bad matchup for Nadal. If Sod plays like he did against Fed I fail to see what Nadal is gonna do about it.

I'm inclined to agree. I don't think even Nadal can match Soderling's top level on clay.

tennis2tennis
06-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Robin has to hit the ground running if he's to take it, no double faults minimum unforced error's amd above all he need to be super aggressive on the nadal second serve;

But in all honesty I think this is going to Nadal's for the taking
3 sets to 1

6-7 7-5 7-6 6-4

In terms of pressure it's 50-50, rafa doesn't need another RG but I think he's under pressure to reinforce his dominance on the surface...and Robin needs to convert one of two slam finals; otherwise he's on Murray territory; ie. taking bid scalps but not when it matters the most!

Kolya
06-04-2010, 07:45 PM
Only one option for Soderling: "Go hard or go home."

Henry Kaspar
06-04-2010, 07:46 PM
Interesting that the poll is so balanced (63N-51S).

In my view it would be a huge upset if Soderling were able to pull this.

gorgo1986
06-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Chill out people! Nadal has 4 Roland Garros titles and Soderling does not even have one yet. Soderling has a lot more to prove. In my opinion from what I have seen I think Nadal will win in four and will shut all of his haters. Love or hate it Nadal is the best on clay, he has lost just two sets all season. Every year someone talks about Nadal's career ending yet he continues to make Semis and Finals repeatedly. He is a champion and if Soderling beats him than I will be the first to congratulate Robin and all his fans.

Malul
06-04-2010, 07:59 PM
if nadal loses the first set,he will be injured again and leave the court.

so,Söderling in one.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:00 PM
Interesting that the poll is so balanced (63N-51S).

In my view it would be a huge upset if Soderling were able to pull this.

Disagree.:wavey:

gorgo1986
06-04-2010, 08:02 PM
Disagree.:wavey:

Good for you, do you want a cookie? Come on your a supposed Nadal fan??? Act like it.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:02 PM
Sorry 4 in a row, and 6 overall.
6 in a row, something Nadull can only dream of getting. And even if he does, he has to break it to be the clay GOAT, which I don't think poor Rafa can do :awww:

But can Murray win a slam, like ever?:awww:

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:04 PM
Tell me about it: Nadal-Federer finals are every bit as enthralling as Federer-Murray finals.

LOL.:worship: Soderling will win a slam before Murray. Tough for the Muzzatards, no? :awww:

nanoman
06-04-2010, 08:07 PM
If Sod plays like he did against Fed, Í don't think even Nadal has an answer to that. But anything less than that Nadal will prevail. So my money is on Nadal.

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 08:07 PM
But can Murray win a slam, like ever?:awww:

Why not???

LOL.:worship: Soderling will win a slam before Murray. Tough for the Muzzatards, no? :awww:

Nope, it would be great for the game. A positive step for tennis if Robin wins a GS.

Har-Tru
06-04-2010, 08:10 PM
Something tells me Nadal in three...

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:15 PM
Why not???



Nope, it would be great for the game. A positive step for tennis if Robin wins a GS.

I mean, before you know it, there will be all these players winning a slam before Murray.

Nole, Del Potro, Soderling, Cilic, Gulbis, Isner, etc :wavey:

alicechen
06-04-2010, 08:16 PM
It will be an exciting game indeed!
Vamos Rafa!

UsD.AnDreS
06-04-2010, 08:16 PM
I'm dying to look through "WWW: Nadal vs Soderling 4R RG" thread and to compare these threads for fun..just couldn't find it..is it "bumpable"? :)

RIboy
06-04-2010, 08:20 PM
if nadal loses the first set,he will be injured again and leave the court.

so,Söderling in one.

+1

l_mac
06-04-2010, 08:21 PM
Something tells me Nadal in three...

Stop trying to jinx him with your shitty predictions. :mad:

tennishero
06-04-2010, 08:25 PM
rafa in 4.

Foxy
06-04-2010, 08:30 PM
Soderling is the favorite, no? He beat the defending champion and the best player of the history, no? He beat Rafa last year so he is the clear favorite, no? ;)

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 08:33 PM
Something tells me Rafa will win 6:1 6:1 6:0 :lol:

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:34 PM
Soderling in 3 or in 4 or in 5.

Does not matter. The hot sexy Swede will win.:lick:

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:35 PM
Are the threads for last year's R4 match deleted?

thalle
06-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Rafa in 3 or 4. He wont let Soderling beat him twice at RG. and this is a final... he wont underestimate him

Geo
06-04-2010, 08:40 PM
If Soderling serves and returns well, he should win :shrug: Melzer did NOTHING with most of Nadal's weak 2nd serves today, but Robin will blast them for a winner. You have to wonder if the Federer and Berdych matches have sapped some of Soderling's energy though.


I just have a feeling Soderling won't play as well as he has been which will allow Nadal to win in 4 sets :shrug: :yawn: :o

straitup
06-04-2010, 08:40 PM
Are the threads for last year's R4 match deleted?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=144875&page=53&highlight=soderling+nadal+6-2+6-7+6-4+7-6

It's a closed thread though

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:41 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=144875&page=53&highlight=soderling+nadal+6-2+6-7+6-4+7-6

It's a closed thread though

Ah, well that fucking sucks! Thanks mate :)

Rafahólico
06-04-2010, 08:42 PM
My heart --> Nadal in 3
My head --> Soderling in 3 or 4 or 5

Vamos Rafa!

andy neyer
06-04-2010, 08:44 PM
Something tells me Nadal in three...

lol, man. You predicted for weeks that Federer was going to win the French Open and that Nadal wasn't going to get another GS.

Now this :lol:

Mateya
06-04-2010, 08:50 PM
What a final! It's a dream final! :drool:

I predict sensational victory of Robin in 3 or 4 sets. :rocker2:
He did it last year and Rafito is still not the same "errorless" player he was while Robin is as dangerous as ever.

What a sunday tennis afternoon it will be (regardless who wins, it's just such a mouthwatering match-up), even if Potito comes and invites me out I won't go anywhwere! :p

Vida
06-04-2010, 08:51 PM
nadal in 4. soderling must be on the same or better level than against federer. and nadal wont let him bit.

saniapower
06-04-2010, 08:52 PM
bookies will decide. Players will act accordingly.

saniapower
06-04-2010, 08:55 PM
but Francesca Schiavone will certainly win

BodyServe
06-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Are the threads for last year's R4 match deleted?

I think there wasn't even a poll for that match. Speaks volume about the upset.

M4RC
06-04-2010, 09:03 PM
Soderling in 4. Bye bye Rafa :wavey:

Thomaz in 5, Melzer in 5, Soderling in 4 :eek:

RAFA IN 3.

M4RC
06-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Sorry 4 in a row, and 6 overall.
6 in a row, something Nadull can only dream of getting. And even if he does, he has to break it to be the clay GOAT, which I don't think poor Rafa can do :awww:

OK, I'm laughing my ass off right now.

PS. Compare Borg records to Nadal records on clay and then cry. Oh, and don't forget to add the last one: 3MS + RG back to back to back to back. Wake me up when a player (I don't care who) does the same on any surface. 3 MS + GS.

Bye.

philosophicalarf
06-04-2010, 09:06 PM
but Francesca Schiavone will certainly win

She'll need to get on the special stuff to compete with Stosur's "nutrional advantage".

allpro
06-04-2010, 09:15 PM
After the brutal show of force against Federer, I didn’t think Soderking could be stopped. However, I now think Berdych took just enough out of him to make him susceptible to Nadal’s grinding, physical style over five sets.

Soderking will come out guns blazing and blast Nadal off the court during the opening two stanzas, but then…..mental, emotional, and physical fatigue will begin to take their toll and he’ll slowly start to fade. Nadal will do away with his more aggressive hardcourt style and return to his heavy topspin, punishing, clay-court type rallies in the final two stanzas to edge this one out.

Regardless of the outcome, this should be an epic final :)

PREDICTION: 2-6, 3-6, 7-6 (8), 6-4, 6-3 Nadal

Johnny Groove
06-04-2010, 09:18 PM
Rafa will get the job done in 4 or 5 sets.

These are the matches he lives for.

Soderling will play well, hit some great shots, but will miss a few times in crucial parts of the match.

Johnny_Bravo
06-04-2010, 09:21 PM
ONCE AGAIN I REPEAT, EASY MONEY FOR GAMBLERS IF THEY GO WITH SODA IN THE FINALS.

you've said that 3 or 4 times already.who do you work for lad?:rolleyes:

Malul
06-04-2010, 09:27 PM
Before FO:
Nadal 15-0 on clay,30-2 in sets
Soderking 5-4 on clay,12-8 in sets

Now:
Nadal 21-0 and 48-2 in sets
Söderling 10-4 and 30-11 in sets

Toad has 2 in a row,head-to-head.
Nadal has changed his game since last year,is it the medicin to beat Robin?

The dream rematch i never dreamed of one year ago is here,amazing!

Orka_n
06-04-2010, 09:36 PM
An epic battle is ahead...

http://i49.tinypic.com/160oaj4.jpg

Pablin777
06-04-2010, 09:37 PM
Soderling isn´t Borg...
Nadal is Nadal...

NADAL IN 4...

Pirata.
06-04-2010, 09:37 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/160oaj4.jpg

omg :haha:

osmonde
06-04-2010, 09:39 PM
If weather will be as today hot and dry, Sod would suffer more.
If dampness and clouds show up, Nadal would have to play a different game, for sure.

At least, fly would not point on Nadal's nose on serve where he lost his service on match point...as it happened today, that is why he laught so much...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdk2g8_damn-fly_sport

Henry Kaspar
06-04-2010, 09:40 PM
84N vs. 72S now.

As said earler, Soderling winning this would be an upset in my book. Soderling gave Nadal trouble last year and Federer this, he has established himself as a solid top 10 player, and he clearly deserve to be in this final. But this compares with Nadal dominating the entire clay court season again this year, not dropping a set so far in the tournament, and having won 4 FO titles prior to 2009. Soderling has of course a chance, but no more than this. Normally the winner should be Rafa. 70-30 odds would be fair, imo, rather than 54-46.

Ivanatis
06-04-2010, 09:49 PM
http://www.br-online.de/content/cms/Bildergalerie/2008/10/31/cumulus/BR-online-Publikation--227714-20081031110041.jpg
http://www.theofel.de/plog-archives/upload/2007/04/rezept-pilz-ragout.jpg

Rafa in 3

Pfloyd
06-04-2010, 10:07 PM
This one might be tough as hell, but I am one who tends to agree that the match is one Rafa ought to win, beating Federer does not translate into beating Nadal even if Soderling did beat Nadal last year.

Nadal in 4 tight sets.

philosophicalarf
06-04-2010, 10:08 PM
70-30 odds would be fair, imo, rather than 54-46.

75-25 for me, perhaps 77.5-22.5. Still makes Soderling a terrific bet, although I went 3-1 myself at 12.0.

multiculti
06-04-2010, 10:17 PM
What are the guys on this site smoking? The Rafa/Robin poll is 55/45... Come on dudes, the oddsmakers have it 75/25.. This time there will be lots of pressure on Robin as well to beat Rafa twice at RG, do better than last year, win a first GS,etc... I have to put my money on Rafa, he learned from last year, he's better physically and mentally this year... Rafa in 4.

coonster14
06-04-2010, 10:19 PM
Rafa in 4 sets!!! :bounce:

Roamed
06-04-2010, 10:59 PM
I get the feeling that either Rafa is going to deliver some sort of horrendous beatdown or that Robin is going to show what he's truly made of. So maybe Rafa in three or Robin in four. Should be a good one, I like them both :)

Clay Death
06-04-2010, 11:03 PM
Nadal 6-4 6-1 6-2



clay warrior will trash him one way or another.

soderling will be smashed to pieces.

its the clay legend against a bloody nobody. what the hell do they expect anyway?

Clay Death
06-04-2010, 11:05 PM
This one might be tough as hell, but I am one who tends to agree that the match is one Rafa ought to win, beating Federer does not translate into beating Nadal even if Soderling did beat Nadal last year.

Nadal in 4 tight sets.



clay warrior in 3.

he wont give him a chance on sunday.

Har-Tru
06-04-2010, 11:19 PM
This one might be tough as hell, but I am one who tends to agree that the match is one Rafa ought to win, beating Federer does not translate into beating Nadal even if Soderling did beat Nadal last year.

Nadal in 4 tight sets.

This what I think too pretty much.

Har-Tru
06-04-2010, 11:21 PM
Stop trying to jinx him with your shitty predictions. :mad:

Why, oh why would you question my honest, good-hearted impressions? :tears:

Har-Tru
06-04-2010, 11:29 PM
lol, man. You predicted for weeks that Federer was going to win the French Open and that Nadal wasn't going to get another GS.

Now this :lol:

It's all part of the master plan. :devil:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-04-2010, 11:36 PM
84N vs. 72S now.

As said earler, Soderling winning this would be an upset in my book. Soderling gave Nadal trouble last year and Federer this, he has established himself as a solid top 10 player, and he clearly deserve to be in this final. But this compares with Nadal dominating the entire clay court season again this year, not dropping a set so far in the tournament, and having won 4 FO titles prior to 2009. Soderling has of course a chance, but no more than this. Normally the winner should be Rafa. 70-30 odds would be fair, imo, rather than 54-46.

Soderling didn't show up for the minor clay court tournaments. What matters is form in this tournament and Soderling's has been more impressive. Nadal may not have dropped a set but am I right in saying that he hasn't faced a single top 20 player?

In addition, "Soderling gave Nadal trouble last year" is a misleading statement. "Gave him trouble" almost implies that Nadal won the match when in reality he was hit off the court. Nadal's shots play to Soderling's strengths - nice and high, giving Robin's flat shots a better margin of error. The problem most players have against Nadal on clay is that their shots don't have enough juice to get past him. Soderling very clearly does not have that particular problem.

I say this is 55-45 Soderling. So MTF does indeed have it wrong. :)

Clay Death
06-04-2010, 11:38 PM
not even a miracle will let soderling off the hook this time.

why? a better player this time is healthy and relatively fit.

so soderling will get schooled and decimated.

one is as superior to the other as the living are to the dead?



i dont see any other outcome.

Andi-M
06-04-2010, 11:41 PM
Dream RG final for me can't wait. I think Soderling wins 3-1, but Im relatively happy either way just want some explosive tennis.

Swiss Mountain
06-04-2010, 11:44 PM
As a fed fan I thin this is hilarious, Fed not giving a shit anymore about tennis, and now, rafa has to deal, AT LEAST, with his generation

NOW we will see finally what he got in his pants, because it's so easy to beat a 5 years older man
now the shit stopped if rafa can deal with his generation like roger did, I will pay my tribute, but i THINK IT IS IMPOSSIBLE; he doesn't have Fed's talent, proof: he never did a 4 grand slam final in a row!!!
At his age Fed already done it, many times
Poor Nadal, he's never going to win a slam again!

mcnasty
06-04-2010, 11:46 PM
the only thing standing in soderling's way is his nerves. the question is when he hits a bad patch will he speed up and try to hit harder or will he slow down, compose himself and return to his devastating style of play by degrees. if he's able to he'll win. i'm doubting that he will. nadal in 4.

selyoink
06-04-2010, 11:49 PM
Only Soderling is left to save men's tennis from another dark age of moonballing tennis. He was the only man coming into the tournament who could due to the absences of Davy and Del Pot.

Uncle Toni knew the danger and assured that Soderling could only play Nadull in the final assuming Soderling would go out before then. He even succeeded in rigging Nadull into a match against the Founder of the Nadull cult Almugro and Melzer, one of the least accomplished grand slam semi-finalists of all times. Even that failed. Surely now Uncle Toni and the Nadull are crying themselves to sleep these last two nights before the match.

It is all in Soderling's hands on Sunday. The Nadull is helpless against Soderling, he must hope the Toad shows up in the wrong frame of mind. Any other outcome sees the Nadull blasted into oblivion, his legacy shattered forever.

Dusk Soldier
06-05-2010, 12:15 AM
I can't believe so many people believe in Soderling, I thought for sure Rafa would dominate this poll.

SetSampras
06-05-2010, 12:18 AM
Nadal in no more than 4 sets.. Soderling was hardly convincing today needing 5 sets to take out Trashych. Plus its a final.. The nerves will get to Soderling

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-05-2010, 12:18 AM
I can't believe so many people believe in Soderling, I thought for sure Rafa would dominate this poll.

fans of certain players are hoping ;)

but any way vamos Rafa

SetSampras
06-05-2010, 12:20 AM
Only Soderling is left to save men's tennis from another dark age of moonballing tennis. He was the only man coming into the tournament who could due to the absences of Davy and Del Pot.

Uncle Toni knew the danger and assured that Soderling could only play Nadull in the final assuming Soderling would go out before then. He even succeeded in rigging Nadull into a match against the Founder of the Nadull cult Almugro and Melzer, one of the least accomplished grand slam semi-finalists of all times. Even that failed. Surely now Uncle Toni and the Nadull are crying themselves to sleep these last two nights before the match.

It is all in Soderling's hands on Sunday. The Nadull is helpless against Soderling, he must hope the Toad shows up in the wrong frame of mind. Any other outcome sees the Nadull blasted into oblivion, his legacy shattered forever.



Nadal is a breath of fresh air.. COME ON.. Especially how last year was the Fed show when Nadal went out injured last year... And 04-07... where outside of Nadal there was NO ONE!!! Roger dominating everything in sight in a trash era of players was DULL to say the least.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 12:31 AM
Nadal in 4. Robin needs to play lights out to beat El Toro on clay.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 12:32 AM
Nadal is a breath of fresh air.. COME ON.. Especially how last year was the Fed show when Nadal went out injured last year... And 04-07... where outside of Nadal there was NO ONE!!! Roger dominating everything in sight in a trash era of players was DULL to say the least.

But Nadal winning everything on clay is refreshing? :rolleyes:

SetSampras
06-05-2010, 12:33 AM
But Nadal winning everything on clay is refreshing? :rolleyes:

Its not as dull as Federer winning everything on grass and hardcourts year after year and no one to stop him unless he meets up with nadal. How is that refreshing?

luie
06-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Nadull cannot deal with his own generation ,these tall 2 handed back hand players has proved his demise in the past & will continue into the future.Soderking,berdych,del-po,novak,davy,Murray,Gulbis. IF soderking dismantles the grinding moonballer on sunday nadull's career will be in shambles.

00923
06-05-2010, 12:39 AM
Something is telling me Nadal will come prepared on Sunday. Nadal in 4.

paseo
06-05-2010, 12:39 AM
Its not as dull as Federer winning everything on grass and hardcourts year after year and no one to stop him unless he meets up with nadal. How is that refreshing?

It's the same thing. Both are boring.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 12:42 AM
Its not as dull as Federer winning everything on grass and hardcourts year after year and no one to stop him unless he meets up with nadal. How is that refreshing?

It's certainly more refreshing than Nadal winning literally everything on clay with no one to stop him regardless of who he plays. Nadal has been even more dominant on clay than Federer ever was on HC. You just have a problem with Roger breaking Pete's records. :o

luie
06-05-2010, 12:43 AM
Fed > pete "the coward" samprass. Samprass is a quitter, fed is not.

Persimmon
06-05-2010, 12:45 AM
An epic battle is ahead...

http://i49.tinypic.com/160oaj4.jpg

:haha:

FlameOn
06-05-2010, 12:47 AM
Soderling in 5! Come on Robin.

Clay Death
06-05-2010, 12:48 AM
Nadull cannot deal with his own generation ,these tall 2 handed back hand players has proved his demise in the past & will continue into the future.Soderking,berdych,del-po,novak,davy,Murray,Gulbis. IF soderking dismantles the grinding moonballer on sunday nadull's career will be in shambles.


the only one in shambles right now is you. you endless bouts with hate and resentment must eat away at you each waking moment.

why dont you try another sport?

or just weep away.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 12:54 AM
Where was clay death the last 12 months? Hiding like a coward, no?

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 12:55 AM
And now he's back to bask in Nadal's glory. How pathetic!

MIMIC
06-05-2010, 12:55 AM
I honestly have no clue who will win. Either guy has the goods to take it in 4.

Clay Death
06-05-2010, 12:56 AM
i dont post much at the asylum (gm). i am usually at the castle.

stop by at the "ye olde castle" at the chat section and say hello Mjau.

luie
06-05-2010, 12:58 AM
the only one in shambles right now is you. you endless bouts with hate and resentment must eat away at you each waking moment.

why dont you try another sport?

or just weep away.
Tears will flow on Sunday, tears of joy.:) Soderking is a bad match-up for nadull. He took him to 5 sets & wilberdon 07,beat him & RG 09, beat him @ the YEC 09. If nadull wins so be it but Soderking is the worst possible opponent for nadull in heavy conditions. Nadull is the favourite but soderling has a legitimate SHOT.:devil:

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 01:00 AM
i dont post much at the asylum (gm). i am usually at the castle.

stop by at the "ye olde castle" at the chat section and say hello Mjau.

That's right, you only make an appereance when El Torito is winning... The other 9 months of the year you go into hiding... biding your time, awaiting the return of the dirt season...

No, no I'll never...

philosophicalarf
06-05-2010, 01:04 AM
An epic battle is ahead...

http://i49.tinypic.com/160oaj4.jpg


rofl, you could almost believe that's Nadal and Sod's fathers pictured back in the 70s. Quite adorably dorky.

Clay Death
06-05-2010, 01:04 AM
That's right, you only make an appereance when El Torito is winning... The other 9 months of the year you go into hiding... biding your time, awaiting the return of the dirt season...

No, no I'll never...



oh just do it.

at least at the castle you and i can have a reasonable exchange.

way be so difficult.?

M4RC
06-05-2010, 01:05 AM
As a fed fan I thin this is hilarious, Fed not giving a shit anymore about tennis, and now, rafa has to deal, AT LEAST, with his generation

NOW we will see finally what he got in his pants, because it's so easy to beat a 5 years older man
now the shit stopped if rafa can deal with his generation like roger did, I will pay my tribute, but i THINK IT IS IMPOSSIBLE; he doesn't have Fed's talent, proof: he never did a 4 grand slam final in a row!!!
At his age Fed already done it, many times
Poor Nadal, he's never going to win a slam again!

:o

Nadal's been beating Fed since he was 17. He's beaten Fed before, during and after Fed's prime. Nadal's the one that has prevented Fed to be considered the undisputed GOAT of tennis, beating him when he was unbeatable, defeating him in majors and MS. Without Nadal, Federer would have 5-6 more majors, several M1000 and the weeks as #1 record. Also, his afwul H2H against him wouldn't exist either. Federer has a better career overall, but when the two of them confront Fed evolves into Rafa's bitch.

You're pissed about that fact and you know it. Relate yourself to it, the sooner the better.

luie
06-05-2010, 01:12 AM
:o

Nadal's been beating Fed since he was 17. He's beaten Fed before, during and after Fed's prime. Nadal's the one that has prevented Fed to be considered the undisputed GOAT of tennis, beating him when he was unbeatable, defeating him in majors and MS. Without Nadal, Federer would have 5-6 more majors, several M1000 and the weeks as #1 record. Also, his afwul H2H against him wouldn't exist either. Federer has a better career overall, but when the two of them confront Fed evolvces into Rafa's bitch.

You're pissed about that fact and you know it. Relate yourself to it, the sooner the better.
That still doesn't explain why he can't beat players of his generation, Tall powerfull 2 handed bh players that crush him since AO last year. If he loses on sunday its official that nadull can't beat his own generation when they matured & was lucky to take advantage of the older players & their 1 handed bh & slow courts.:devil:

M4RC
06-05-2010, 01:15 AM
Only Soderling is left to save men's tennis from another dark age of moonballing tennis. He was the only man coming into the tournament who could due to the absences of Davy and Del Pot.

Uncle Toni knew the danger and assured that Soderling could only play Nadull in the final assuming Soderling would go out before then. He even succeeded in rigging Nadull into a match against the Founder of the Nadull cult Almugro and Melzer, one of the least accomplished grand slam semi-finalists of all times. Even that failed. Surely now Uncle Toni and the Nadull are crying themselves to sleep these last two nights before the match.

It is all in Soderling's hands on Sunday. The Nadull is helpless against Soderling, he must hope the Toad shows up in the wrong frame of mind. Any other outcome sees the Nadull blasted into oblivion, his legacy shattered forever.

If you pretend to be somewhat funny or illuminated to catch the attention of the so called tennis-maestros of MTF, you've failed.

luie
06-05-2010, 01:17 AM
Rafa is going to play his best

vamooooooos
Yes he will but if soderking is on there is nothing the moonballer can do but pray for death.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 01:21 AM
This m4rc needs a good slap across the face in my humble opinion. What a snooty little brat! His mother should be ashamed of herself! Terribly ill-mannered...

Mimi
06-05-2010, 01:22 AM
Where was clay death the last 12 months? Hiding like a coward, no?

clay death is no coward, he did not post much in GM ever since last year, its not because rafa is not winning. Last year before RG he was winning a lot, better observe more carerfully before making a conclusion

Mimi
06-05-2010, 01:24 AM
Tears will flow on Sunday, tears of joy.:) Soderking is a bad match-up for nadull. He took him to 5 sets & wilberdon 07,beat him & RG 09, beat him @ the YEC 09. If nadull wins so be it but Soderking is the worst possible opponent for nadull in heavy conditions. Nadull is the favourite but soderling has a legitimate SHOT.:devil:

what if Soldering really win on Sunday? Rafa still has more slams than him :rolleyes:. Enjoy your shortlivinig moment of joy:wavey:

M4RC
06-05-2010, 01:31 AM
That still doesn't explain why he can't beat players of his generation, Tall powerfull 2 handed bh players that crush him since AO last year. If he loses on sunday its official that nadull can't beat his own generation when they matured & was lucky to take advantage of the older players & their 1 handed bh & slow courts.:devil:

1) Nadal always plays on clay, SLOW clay BTW. Red, green, blue or purple clay for that matter.

2) Nadal developed early, he is not of the same generation of the players you're talking about. In fact, when Nadal developed he would have literally killed all of those players. It would have been something sad to see.

3) Nadal at 18-19 had achieved more than those other guys would probably achieve in their whole careers.

4) Nadal is miles ahead of those other guys in terms of quality and quantity. He has only faced another player to be considered hall-of-famer: Federer, obviously.

End of this discussion.

PS. Fed & Hewitt are from the same generation. At first, Hewitt owned Federer. Hewitt developed before Federer. When Federer developed and Hewitt started to decline, Federer owned him. Federer couldn't deal with his generation either, no?
NO. Your point is :bs:

Mimi
06-05-2010, 01:31 AM
This m4rc needs a good slap across the face in my humble opinion. What a snooty little brat! His mother should be ashamed of herself! Terribly ill-mannered...
:lol: and your manner is good by calling someone a coward and rudely rejected someone's kind invitation to visit a thread?

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-05-2010, 01:32 AM
nadal will crush him in 3

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-05-2010, 01:34 AM
This m4rc needs a good slap across the face in my humble opinion. What a snooty little brat! His mother should be ashamed of herself! Terribly ill-mannered...

speak for yourself

oh no im harrasing you :bigcry:

:lol: troll

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 01:36 AM
:lol: and your manner is good by calling someone a coward and rudely rejected someone's kind invitation to visit a thread?

Clay death is nothing but a big bully and someone needed to stand up to him!

Trying to lure me into his Nadaltard-nest is hardly a "kind invitation"... :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 01:38 AM
The weather circumstances will be a major factor. If it's cool and damp - Sod. Hot and dry - Rafa.
Also, which Sod and/or Rafa will appear? The ones that did today tell Rafa in straights. The Sod that played Fed in the QF - Sod.

In all, either Sod in straights, or Raf in 4 or 5. Can't really tell.

Mimi
06-05-2010, 01:40 AM
Clay death is nothing but a big bully and someone needed to stand up to him!

Trying to lure me into his Nadaltard-nest is hardly a "kind invitation"... :rolleyes:
yeah, lure you? You are as important as Roger that he needed to please you? :eek:

M4RC
06-05-2010, 01:42 AM
This m4rc needs a good slap across the face in my humble opinion. What a snooty little brat! His mother should be ashamed of herself! Terribly ill-mannered...

And in my humble opinion you should delete my mother off your comments, prick. You can report me now, if you want.

Har-Tru
06-05-2010, 01:42 AM
The weather circumstances will be a major factor. If it's cool and damp - Sod. Hot and dry - Rafa.
Also, which Sod and/or Rafa will appear? The ones that did today tell Rafa in straights. The Sod that played Fed in the QF - Sod.

In all, either Sod in straights, or Raf in 4 or 5. Can't really tell.

Indeed.

It all depends on which Söderling will show up.

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 01:44 AM
Indeed.

It all depends on which Söderling will show up.

As obvious as obvious can be. :)

May it be a great match! :rocker2:

Clay Death
06-05-2010, 01:46 AM
Clay death is nothing but a big bully and someone needed to stand up to him!

Trying to lure me into his Nadaltard-nest is hardly a "kind invitation"... :rolleyes:



you know you cant resist me.

in any case, the castle inhabited by mostly federereeeeesians.

we have fans of all the top guns there but a vast majority are federereeeeeesians. and we all get along great.

see you there. do not disappoint me woman.

Mimi
06-05-2010, 01:49 AM
you know you cant resist me.

in any case, the castle inhabited by mostly federereeeeesians.

we have fans of all the top guns there but a vast majority are federereeeeeesians. and we all get along great.

see you there. do not disappoint me woman.

yeah, if you are so small-minded and are a coward, how could you get along with the fed fans in castle's thread? There are more fed fans than rafa fans there: Bonnie-the-cat, Nat, habi, Rosie, Miura, Glory, Superslam, usha, Nadine .......:rolleyes: don't waste your time with him:wavey:

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 01:53 AM
yeah, if you are so small-minded and are a coward, how could you get along with the fed fans in castle's thread? There are more fed fans than rafa fans there: Bonnie-the-cat, Nat, habi, Rosie, Miura, Glory, Superslam, usha, Nadine .......:rolleyes: don't waste your time with him:wavey:

There are also fans around who happen to like BOTH Fed and Rafa.
There are even fans of TENNIS around there, no matter who wins or loses, mimi.
Just a reminder. ;)

andy neyer
06-05-2010, 02:10 AM
There are also fans around who happen to like BOTH Fed and Rafa.
There are even fans of TENNIS around there, no matter who wins or loses, mimi.
Just a reminder. ;)

No offense but liking Rafa and liking tennis too is a bit of a contradiction.

DuMa
06-05-2010, 02:12 AM
I'm rooting for Nadal just to stop Rogie's #1 run for a while. I think its great for tennis to have rivalries for the #1 spot year after year. And finally i have to root for someone in tennis. its the only way i'll watch.

But then again i also want Soderling to put on a good match just for the sake of being a tennis fan. Win or lose, I just want to see a great match from these two. a dream final said by many, it just needs to live up to the hype.

andy neyer
06-05-2010, 02:16 AM
I'm rooting for Nadal just to stop Rogie's #1 run for a while. I think its great for tennis to have rivalries for the #1 spot year after year. And finally i have to root for someone in tennis. its the only way i'll watch.

But then again i also want Soderling to put on a good match just for the sake of being a tennis fan. Win or lose, I just want to see a great match from these two. a dream final said by many, it just needs to live up to the hype.

Even if Nadal loses on Sunday, he would probably still get the no 1 position in Wimby. All he would need in that tournament would be a QF (or even less depending on Fed's result) and that's it.

viruzzz
06-05-2010, 02:55 AM
This is the time Soderling.
You just know how to beat Rafa.
It's ok, he's an excelent player, but, if you want to be the surprise, kick his little ass.
And remember that Sweden didn't qualify to the 2010 World Cup. So, all sweden is with you, they have no football over tennis now.
So... It's so easy Soda:
- You win
- You're an ass.

Choose.

Kip
06-05-2010, 03:14 AM
Robin in 4. :cool:

General Suburbia
06-05-2010, 03:25 AM
Someone should make a thread with poll: peak nadal vs peak soderling.

HarryMan
06-05-2010, 04:01 AM
Soderling and Nadal are the two best players on clay at the moment. Although I am a Federer fan, even I can admit, Soderling has the best possible chance to beat Nadal out of the entire field.

I expect a great final and I certainly won't be surprised from either results which is a rare thing to say since we are talking about Nadal on clay. Soderling managed to pull some incredible shots against both Federer and Berdych when he required them most, he has the game to handle anything Nadal throws at him, the question is can he do it consistently throughout the match.

Nadal hasn't been in the greatest of form (he played at a higher level in 08) but he is still good enough to beat the field. Soderling is higher than the field at the moment, so this promises to be a great match between two gladiators.

I_Dasco
06-05-2010, 05:20 AM
Soda 3-2, if God still in his side

brent-o
06-05-2010, 05:22 AM
It amazes me how many people are picking Soderling, based primarily on what happened last year. It's a different year, and he's playing a healthier, smarter Rafa, so by NO means will be anything like last year. Nadal will be more prepared for Soderling than people may think, and he'll definitely be more offensive-minded in Sunday's final.

If Soderling plays anything like he did today, he will be the runner-up once again. I'm going with Rafa, not because he's my favorite player, but because my gut feeling tells me that he will do whatever it takes to ensure that he regains that title and the No. 1 ranking.


By the way, who will Fed be cheering for?

Well said. Generally that's how that works for Rafa haters. A player can beat him once, and even if it was a close match, he now "owns" him.

NADALbULLS
06-05-2010, 06:24 AM
Robin in four. He'll do to Nadal what Melzer did towards the end of the third set, but he'll do it for the whole match; and he'll do it better; more consistently; with more depth.

You mean the part where Nadal hit a forehand 3 meters outside the court, or the part where Nadal hit double faults and hit smashes into the net? If Soderling needs that to happen in order to win then I don't like his chances. Face it, Nadal wasn't thinking about Melzer at all in that 3rd set....

NADALbULLS
06-05-2010, 06:27 AM
It could honestly go either way.

However, that will mainly depend on how Soderling plays. If he's at his peak, he should win, and there's nothing Nadal can do about it.

However Soderling played better last year vs Nadal than he's played this year yet Nadal still was a tie-break away from a 5th set. If weak Nadal can do that, strong Nadal would have no trouble.