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RG SF : Söderling def. Berdych 6-3 3-6 5-7 6-3 6-3

Action Jackson
06-04-2010, 03:40 PM
This match was a thing of beauty and Toad makes his second Slam final, hope he can perform better than last year.

Lopez
06-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Robin :yeah:

Very tight match with neither player playing that well, especially Söderling was really off in the second and third sets. Berdych didn't also play all that well, IMO he got quite tight in some situations. When Tomasz's serve started fading, Robin took advantage.

Dream final ahead :yeah:

Shirogane
06-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Tough one as expected – now bring on Nadal!

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 03:41 PM
The end is near Nadal. Nadal will cry this Sunday. haha

TheBoiledEgg
06-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Tomas :( :sad: :( he had a chance

really hope Toad can beat Piggy in the final
but somehow Toad as a slam champ just doesnt ring a bell.

Bagelicious
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Nice, Soderling in 5, as I expected! Now on to Nadal!

rubbERR
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
two time RG runner-up robin the hero :lol:

Montego
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
The most boring match in the history

LoveFifteen
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Yes, yes, yes!!! I am dying to see a rematch with Nadal in the finals. Congrats, Robin! :hearts:

Jomp1
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Very very tight match, and great to see Robin grind his way to a victory.

Bilbo
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
first top player berdych faces and he loses :lol:

the match gave me hope for nadal though if tomas can push soderling to 5 sets

Guille.
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
That's my boy:sobbing:

swebright
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
NOT a great match.

prima donna
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Buona fortuna, Robin!

Action Jackson
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Tough conditions and excellent tournament for Berdych in spite of the result of today.

Robin will have to lift his game.

ossie
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
The end is near Nadal. Nadal will cry this Sunday. hahanadal wouldve destroyed soderling today

LoveFifteen
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
The most boring match in the history

Correction. ;)

scarecrows
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
too many mistakes from both
this level wont be enough against Nadal, needs to play like 3 days ago

Har-Tru
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Unbelievable pants-shitting by Birdshit in the final set. Unreal stuff.

This match was disastrous.

DwyaneWade
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
boring match, both players were tight

centralviva
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
A boring slugfest

tyruk14
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
I can't see Nadal beating him. Unless the Nadal of '08 shows up miraculously, Söderling should capture his maiden major title come Sunday.

jonas
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
All hail the Soderking!

andy neyer
06-04-2010, 03:43 PM
Not a very good match but good enough.

Nadal is shitting his pants already.

Noleta
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Congrats Soda:hatoff:

Tomas:hug:I think he was the tightest out of the 2 today:hug:

Chip'n'Charge
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
hat's off for berdych played a great tourney but it always had to be söderling to win this game, chances increased that we'll get a ballgame on sunday

2moretogo
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
This match was a thing of beauty. You can tell based on his reaction that this means so much to him.

Full credit to Tomas as well, he was there this match serving so well.

I am so happy!!!! I really think Robin has a chance on Sunday! :bounce:

Lopez
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
How about it flyboy :yeah:

"Söderling will lose" :lol:.

IIRC Gonzo/Söderling semi was more high quality, but this was really tight and really the result wasn't certain until the last point.

Montego
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Correction. ;)

:p thx

scarecrows
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
first top player berdych faces and he loses :lol:



good to hear that Murray is considered bottom player nowadays

deal with it, Berdych is here to stay :D

Priam
06-04-2010, 03:44 PM
Game on!! Rematch.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 03:45 PM
Rafa is done.

He might as well lose to Meltzer since Sod is spanking him in the final.

federernadalfan
06-04-2010, 03:45 PM
toad rafa final alas

philosophicalarf
06-04-2010, 03:45 PM
Good at times, but dodgy for Soderling the spray of errors in sets 2/3 (31 of em). Was interesting to see him struggle against Berdy's flat hits on clay, which obviously won't be the case vs Nadal in the final.

Berdy's arm seemed to tire in the 5th, barely made any first serves.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 03:45 PM
Congrats Robin.

Why the fuck am I a Berdych fan?

delpiero7
06-04-2010, 03:46 PM
Nadal has been average at worst and winning in straights yet and people on here say he won't win the title.

Soderling was awful today and scraped through in 5 sets yet people are confident of a victory come Sunday.

Couldn't make it up! :worship:

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Everybody says it's hating when I pick Sod to beat Nadal. I am just happy Soderling is final. Berdych would have had zero chance of taking more than 6 games from Nadal

Art&Soul
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Well done Soderking, prepare for the big match on Sunday. You can destroy Nadull if he gets there, i believe. Alezz!!!

henke007
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
The best thing about facing Nadal is that Sods mentallity goes up 200%, ohhh i am so happy!!

ROBIN:worship::worship:

Voo de Mar
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Extremely ugly match, actually only first point of the last game (Robin's passing-shot DTW) was spectacular :o Soderling has the longest streak in career without playing a tie-break, hasn't played a tie-break in the last 47 sets!

madmax
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
All SoderKing needed was to raise his level a bit in 4th and 5th sets:bowdown: Well done Robin, now take care of moonballer once again

GasquetFan
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Boooooo :sad: Screw you Tomas, you always do this kinda shit to me

alter ego
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Congrats Robin.

Why the fuck am I a Berdych fan?

So you can ban yourself from having sex for a year. :lol:

Lopez
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Muster in the Eurosport studio right now.

Let himself go a bit :lol:

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
His worst match of the tournament but I think it'll d him so good, he was really happy at the end and can just rest and think for the next two days.

superslam77
06-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Robing freaking Soderking :woohoo:

Bilbo
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
good to hear that Murray is considered bottom player nowadays

deal with it, Berdych is here to stay :D

murray on clay is good?

what should i deal with? nadal getting back to #1? :D

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
End of days. The smell of sulfur in the air. Doom coming Nadals way.

Sunset of Age
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Very tight and overall, low-quality match, both playing nowhere near to their best. Tomas ran out of gaz in the 5th, his serve level dropped to 39%... ah too bad. Still a great run for the prettiest player out there. :hug:
Robin won this match not on playing well, but on his toughness and fighting spirit. Fantastic result for him, second RG-final in a row. But he'll surely have to step it up to have any chances to take the title. The stuff he showed today won't do the job for him...

Mjau!
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Robin will be tired in the final. :sad:

Priam
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Painful to watch Berdy in the 5th. Sod made more errors than usual today. NID.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Nadal has been average at worst and winning in straights yet and people on here say he won't win the title.

Soderling was awful today and scraped through in 5 sets yet people are confident of a victory come Sunday.

Couldn't make it up! :worship:

Nadal has been playing like crap the entire tournament.

Sod is a bad matchup for Nadal.

Sod is the only player to beat Rafa at RG.

Do the math.


:o

malisha
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
congrats Toad






deal with it, Berdych is here to stay :D

he knows it too...and not feeling confortable

Action Jackson
06-04-2010, 03:48 PM
Don't get extra points for winning in style, it's all about the W. It will be interesting to see if Söderling will learn from the experience last year.

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 03:49 PM
Nadal (fully fit) will rip Toad a new arsehole in the final. The Swedish **** does not derserve to win RG, and as for Berdych - fucking useless.

Shut up and get a change of pants.

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 03:49 PM
Nadal to tank in order to prevent spanking?

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 03:49 PM
This match was tough, but it wasn't as exciting as it could've been. In the end, Berdych just didn't look like he wanted this enough, which is the frustrating part. As usual, he got out to an advantage in a big match, and let it slip away from him. Hopefully, he'll learn from this at some point.

As much as I DON'T care for Soderling, he took advantage of open opportunities and he won the match fair and square, so congrats to him. Berd had the chance, but mentally went away. Better luck next time.

nanoman
06-04-2010, 03:49 PM
Sh1t match by both. Sodapop need to become SoderKing for the finals.

aussie_fan
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Yes, Soderling will need to step it up a level on Sunday but I believe he can do it.

alter ego
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Muster in the Eurosport studio right now.

Let himself go a bit :lol:

Wilander has getting a make-up when the match ended. :D

Corey Feldman
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Congrats Soderking big man

hope you destroy Melzer in the final

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
So you can ban yourself from having sex for a year. :lol:Haha will do then.

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Soderking! :worship:

One more to go.

Those saying Nadal would have ripped him based on today- completely different match up, Berdych hits big as well and therefore gives him no time.

Last year Soda belted Nadal easier than he took out Gonzo...

doublebackhand
06-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Congrats Soderling!

who thought Berdych would win? he's a headcase and first time in a slam semi....


anyway, bring on Nadal now!!!

rubbERR
06-04-2010, 03:51 PM
no doubt he will lose if he faces nadalll :P

Nidhogg
06-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Nice match. Berdych was more up and down in terms of his level and hit a scary deal of winners in the third. Söderling was more even, even though he was clearly much more aggressive throghout the whole match.

Robin should consider trying a cap or a pair of shades for sunny conditions.

Edit: The people who say this was a bad match needs to think about the dynamics of a matchup like this one.

Enjoy the moment and give it your all in the final now, Robin. That's all I hope for.

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Nadal has been playing like crap the entire tournament.

Sod is a bad matchup for Nadal.

Sod is the only player to beat Rafa at RG.

Do the math.


:o

Yes, he's a bad matchup for Rafa, but a more healthy Rafa makes this rematch more interesting than last year's. Also, I don't expect Nadal to go into Sunday's final unprepared. He knows what the deal is with Soderling, and I can assure you, that unlike Berdych, Rafa won't be playing any games out there, and there will be NO mental letdown.

M4RC
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: I love it.

The end is near Nadal. Nadal will cry this Sunday. haha

:haha: :haha: :haha:

jonas
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
:lol: at people saying this was the worst match in the tournament/history.
Sure neither of them played nowhere near their top. But they're a bad matchup for eachother and it was a GS SF that both of them could win = pressure.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
That was a boring match. Lacked energy until the end with Robin stepping it up. Quality was below-average on the whole. Robin got stronger in the 4th and 5th sets, his belief and will and superior fitness really got him through at the end. He'll need to play like that and better to beat Rafa.

Very impressed how Robin has stepped his mentality up so much in the past year. Shows just how much confidence can do to someone.

malisha
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
great tournament for both

hopefully Tomaš builds on this and good luck in the final Toad

i think hell be fine...adrenalin too high in grand slam finals...it helps you if you are tired

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 03:52 PM
Yes, he's a bad matchup for Rafa, but a more healthy Rafa makes this rematch more interesting than last year's. Also, I don't expect Nadal to go into Sunday's final unprepared. He knows what the deal is with Soderling, and I can assure you, that unlike Berdych, Rafa won't be playing any games out there, and there will be NO mental letdown.

Disagree:wavey:

Jomp1
06-04-2010, 03:53 PM
Next match will be nothing like this. Like I wrote in the live commentary the final is a new match, new opponent, different play. Might even be new conditions. Two players painting the lines won't bring you good long rallies more than once in a while, and no high balls landing on the service line to hit on. I'm not sure why people are so surprised by this outcome. Unreturnable first serves, both players taking chances on returns and second serves to try dictate the play early in the points etc.

rubbERR
06-04-2010, 03:53 PM
nadal already beat söderling this year and he will do it again

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 03:54 PM
Let's get real here. Nadal is going to expose Robin's movement badly, he's going to wear him out after today's match, he's going to force him into more errors, and he's going to serve more intelligently. I don't use this match as an example of anything in the final, but Robin will have to dramatically step it up. He was being outplayed for the most part until around the start/middle of the 4th.

Bilbo
06-04-2010, 03:55 PM
tomas needs to improve his fitness if he wants to compete for slam titles

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Muster in the Eurosport studio. sounds like Arnold :lol:

SheepleBuster
06-04-2010, 03:56 PM
it'd be a shame if Rafa loses today. I have a feeling that Rafa is scared of the sod. He might tank the match today strategically to avoid being embarrassed.

Nidhogg
06-04-2010, 03:56 PM
Ah yeah, it would be nice if the forecast which predicts heavier conditions for sunday is correct, and that Robin won't struggle to adjust again.

The Magician
06-04-2010, 03:56 PM
Soda will rip Nadull a new one, as anyone with any understanding of match ups can see. Plus, Soda has only gotten better in the last few years while Nadal has gotten worse, same as the Del Potro match up and Davydenko match up (who would have already beaten Nadal if they weren't injured).

Good job Soda, NID :yeah:

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 03:57 PM
Let's get real here. Nadal is going to expose Robin's movement badly, he's going to wear him out after today's match, he's going to force him into more errors, and he's going to serve more intelligently. I don't use this match as an example of anything in the final, but Robin will have to dramatically step it up. He was being outplayed for the most part until around the start/middle of the 4th.

If Nadal reaches the final he will cry. Robin will make him cry.:o:wavey:

Abc Tennis
06-04-2010, 03:57 PM
The most boring match I've seen this year at RG. Can't believe how bad were the first two sets. Then a bit better, but only slightly.
Anyway, kudos to Soderling for making the final two years in a row. I hope he gets crushed in the final, tho :wavey:

djb84xi
06-04-2010, 03:57 PM
Disagree:wavey:

It's cool you disagree, but it'll be a hell of a match, regardless of our opinions.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 03:58 PM
Hahaha, people are wishing the conditions suit Robin? Wow. What a lack of confidence in your man that shows.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 03:58 PM
If Nadal reaches the final he will cry. Robin will make him cry.:o:wavey:

Says the so-called Nadal fan.

malisha
06-04-2010, 03:58 PM
If Nadal reaches the final he will cry. Robin will make him cry.:o:wavey:

not on the court i think

hell do it in the locker room

Helevorn
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
rafa wont lose today and he will not lose against that toad..yeah nadal can be scared of soderling but this is not enough to prevent him destroying the swede.. 3 sets today, 4 sunday

Blondie1985
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Goooooooooooooo Robin!!!!!!!!!!

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
This match was a thing of beauty and Toad makes his second Slam final, hope he can perform better than last year.

going by what you said about your preferences of clay court tennis, i don't think you are supposed to like the kind of match we had today........

with the sun beating down and lighter(and less) top surface today, the court was basically playing like a fast hardcourt with fucking low bounce.......

even though the scoreline suggests a 5 set fight-out, it was quite an ugly match in which both the players failed to adapt to the conditions and do what's required.......

they both knew only one way of playing and that is to flatten out the ball and go for broke.......no percentage tennis, the real clay tennis........both of them were having their own medicine, attacking each other and not allowing any rhythm whatsoever.......

i have been saying since the start of the tournament and will say this yet again - soderling knows only one way to play, he lacks defense.......nadal will toy with him on sunday........

Nidhogg
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Hahaha, people are wishing the conditions suit Robin? Wow. What a lack of confidence in your man that shows.

Heh, well, it's not like he is a clear favourite. It takes some doing to come up with performances such as the one against Federer just like that.

*Jean*
06-04-2010, 03:59 PM
Robin :worship:

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Robin is a bit of a harder hitter and more aggressive than Tomas. That was what really won him the match as his pace of shot wore down Tomas at the end. But to be tired after 3 1/2 hours isn't too impressive for Tomas, he'll need to improve that to win slams.

Blondie1985
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
french People Will Cheer For Robin!!!


They Know Better!!!!!!!!!


Go Robin

Abc Tennis
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Edit: The people who say this was a bad match needs to think about the dynamics of a matchup like this one.


We all know that Berdych/Soderling is a bad matchup, quality wise.
But that's not a good reason to say the match was good when it was just painful to watch, at least for the great part of it.

The Magician
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
The most boring match I've seen this year at RG. Can't believe how bad were the first two sets. Then a bit better, but only slightly.
Anyway, kudos to Soderling for making the final two years in a row. I hope he gets crushed in the final, tho :wavey:
If this is the most boring match this FO what a tournament it's been :worship:
not on the court i think

hell do it in the locker room
:haha:

Blondie1985
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Soda: "Who would you rather play in the final Robin?"
..."Rafa".



VAMOS!

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Says the so-called Nadal fan.

Fear of the inevitable, my friend.:o

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Heh, well, it's not like he is a clear favourite. It takes some doing to come up with performances such as the one against Federer just like that.

Yeah, but that's desperate. That's basically knowing he cannot beat Rafa and needs help to do so. That shows a lack of belief in him and his abilities.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Fear of the inevitable, my friend.:o

No, you are just paranoid and a doomsday type personality.

Action Jackson
06-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Robin is a bit of a harder hitter and more aggressive than Tomas. That was what really won him the match as his pace of shot wore down Tomas at the end. But to be tired after 3 1/2 hours isn't too impressive for Tomas, he'll need to improve that to win slams.

Both of them suffered in the warm conditions, it was more mental than physical for Berdych. Hard to get momentum through the legs to push up on serve when mentally tired.

green25814
06-04-2010, 04:03 PM
I can barely express how pleased I am Soderling survived that mugfest.

No offense to Berdych fans, but he has no chance against rafa.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 04:04 PM
No, you are just paranoid and a doomsday type personality.

:rolleyes:

Lopez
06-04-2010, 04:05 PM
Let's get real here. Nadal is going to expose Robin's movement badly, he's going to wear him out after today's match, he's going to force him into more errors, and he's going to serve more intelligently. I don't use this match as an example of anything in the final, but Robin will have to dramatically step it up. He was being outplayed for the most part until around the start/middle of the 4th.

You were wrong :wavey:

Maybe you're wrong about the final as well? Just a thought.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:05 PM
Nice match. Berdych was more up and down in terms of his level and hit a scary deal of winners in the third. Söderling was more even, even though he was clearly much more aggressive throghout the whole match.

Robin should consider trying a cap or a pair of shades for sunny conditions.

Edit: The people who say this was a bad match needs to think about the dynamics of a matchup like this one.

Enjoy the moment and give it your all in the final now, Robin. That's all I hope for.
True, the matchups do play a part in how this match played out, but the quality was still essentially horrible until Robin stepped it up. And there was absolutely no energy whatsoever in the match. Both guys rush each other and create errors, but the lack of movement from both was appalling.

The Magician
06-04-2010, 04:05 PM
Remember when Soda didn't have a good clay season and everyone was talking about him losing in the 1st round? Eat it haters :wavey:

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:06 PM
You were wrong :wavey:

Maybe you're wrong about the final as well? Just a thought.

I'm not wrong about the final. And I wasn't wrong about this match until Tomas went away, he was outplaying Robin exactly how I expected him to for about 70% of the match until the middle of the 4th set.

cardio
06-04-2010, 04:07 PM
Soda wasted too much energy today and wasnt any good at all in middle of the match. Pretty confident in the end though . Seemed he struggled a lot with hot weather and bright sun, he needs cooler and moist conditions in Sunday. I think he can still do it, to win the fucking title, but he has to play lot-lot better against Rafa to have any hope at all. He cant fool around, break and let opponent break back and so on...

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:09 PM
Both of them suffered in the warm conditions, it was more mental than physical for Berdych. Hard to get momentum through the legs to push up on serve when mentally tired.
Yeah, your right, the belief factor definitely pushed Robin through also. Tomas definitely went away mentally which I guess quickened him physically wilting as well. It's very impressive to see a guy considered one of the weakest mentally turn it around so much.

rtgy
06-04-2010, 04:09 PM
SODERKING RULES :rocker:

Lopez
06-04-2010, 04:09 PM
I'm not wrong about the final. And I wasn't wrong about this match until Tomas went away, he was outplaying Robin exactly how I expected him to for about 70% of the match until the middle of the 4th set.

Who won :shrug:

Anyone else knew that Söderling has the superior fitness and mental strenght. You didn't. You were wrong.

Besides, Robin was outplaying himself for most of the match. When he played well (in patches) Berdych was under duress.

Vida
06-04-2010, 04:10 PM
sodeling :yeah: what a drag match.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:11 PM
It's supposedly going to rain at night in France on Sunday, PM/late night rain. Obviously, Robin is going to want that rain to be there by the start of the match. But no-one should be WISHING it happens, you should have the belief your man can win regardless.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Tomas sucks on clay, bring on Wimbledon! Oh and imagine a Soderling vs Berdych match in Halle next week :devil:

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Who won :shrug:

Anyone else knew that Söderling has the superior fitness and mental strenght. You didn't. You were wrong.

Besides, Robin was outplaying himself for most of the match. When he played well (in patches) Berdych was under duress.

I knew Robin has the superior mental and physical fitness. I didn't think it would matter. On that part, I was wrong. I wasn't wrong about Tomas outplaying Robin, he was outplaying him, and he was outplaying him exactly how I said he would. We can say "he was outplaying himself" but that doesn't change the fact Tomas was overall playing better until he went away.

The result is all that counts though.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:14 PM
I can barely express how pleased I am Soderling survived that mugfest.

No offense to Berdych fans, but he has no chance against rafa.

Neither does Robin. Neither had or have a chance.

henke007
06-04-2010, 04:14 PM
Great for Soda to end the loosin in big Semis streak after RG last year he went out in London, IW and Miami!!

Dreamfinal for sure, Tennis won today!!

Lopez
06-04-2010, 04:17 PM
I knew Robin has the superior mental and physical fitness. I didn't think it would matter. On that part, I was wrong. I wasn't wrong about Tomas outplaying Robin, he was outplaying him, and he was outplaying him exactly how I said he would. We can say "he was outplaying himself" but that doesn't change the fact Tomas was overall playing better until he went away.

The result is all that counts though.

Nobody cares what happens mid-match. You could say that "Almagro was outplaying Nadal in the first three games as I predicted but then he went away :sad:" :lol:

Berdych had moments when he played well but for the most part Söderling made a lot of unforced errors in basic situations.

You were wrong :wavey:

Action Jackson
06-04-2010, 04:19 PM
Yeah, your right, the belief factor definitely pushed Robin through also. Tomas definitely went away mentally which I guess quickened him physically wilting as well. It's very impressive to see a guy considered one of the weakest mentally turn it around so much.

It was a close match all round, very similar styles and it wasn't a great spectacle but it counts for shit when it comes to making a Slam final.

Will you still be coming out with the same stuff if Söderling wins the final?

gusavo
06-04-2010, 04:19 PM
He was being outplayed for the most part until around the start/middle of the 4th.
great analysis again, 92-96 in the first three

I'm not wrong about the final. And I wasn't wrong about this match until Tomas went away, he was outplaying Robin exactly how I expected him to for about 70% of the match until the middle of the 4th set.
lol what? youre not wrong about the final? but you were wrong about this one? you dont have a clue whats going to happen anywhere. if you did you would be so rich right now its disgusting.
thats just false since they were very even on points as I said.
and he could have won in straights if he was playing better or berd was playing worse, or even if they were playing on the level they were playing at, hence you did not know what would happen

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:20 PM
Nobody cares what happens mid-match. You could say that "Almagro was outplaying Nadal in the first three games as I predicted but then he went away :sad:" :lol:

Berdych had moments when he played well but for the most part Söderling made a lot of unforced errors in basic situations.

You were wrong :wavey:

Didn't deny I was wrong about the result. I said I wasn't wrong about how the match was going in terms of quality and who was playing better, and that was Tomas. Putting aside everything else, which I admit I was wrong about, I wasn't wrong about who was the better player for most of the match until the end, which is truly all that counts. Unforced errors don't change the fact Tomas was outplaying him.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:22 PM
great analysis again, 92-96 in the first three

Tomas was outplaying him. He was making fewer errors. He was saving himself in tight situations on serve. He was moving better. He was ahead 2-1 in sets and had chances in Robin's early games on serve in the 4th. He didn't take them, Robin stepped it up, he won, congrats to him.

Roamed
06-04-2010, 04:22 PM
Whatever happens, one thing you can count on is a really awkward trophy ceremony on Sunday. Robin and Rafa :devil:

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:24 PM
It was a close match all round, very similar styles and it wasn't a great spectacle but it counts for shit when it comes to making a Slam final.

Will you still be coming out with the same stuff if Söderling wins the final?

Your right, at the end of the day, Robin won, and I'm happy for him, he did what he had to do. It was a close match but that's when the mental strength shines and it sure did for Robin. Congrats to him and his fans.

If Robin wins the final, well...........I can't even imagine that happening. I literally cannot. I see absolutely no way he wins.

Audacity
06-04-2010, 04:29 PM
Well done Robin, fought it out despite clearly being bothered by the conditions (heat). Great week for Berdych, should have learnt alot these last two weeks.

l_mac
06-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Congrats to Soderling for defending his Finalist points (at the very least) I must admit, I didn't think he had much chance when I saw the draw. :yeah:

Not a great match.

gusavo
06-04-2010, 04:32 PM
It's supposedly going to rain at night in France on Sunday, PM/late night rain. Obviously, Robin is going to want that rain to be there by the start of the match. But no-one should be WISHING it happens, you should have the belief your man can win regardless.
yes because someone wins 100% of the time no matter what the circumstances, you just need to have belief in them.
or someone gains from the rain and gets a bigger likelyhood for winning. whats the correct answer?

Tomas was outplaying him. He was making fewer errors. He was saving himself in tight situations on serve. He was moving better. He was ahead 2-1 in sets and had chances in Robin's early games on serve in the 4th. He didn't take them, Robin stepped it up, he won, congrats to him.
92-96, STOP lying.


If Robin wins the final, well...........I can't even imagine that happening. I literally cannot. I see absolutely no way he wins.
so bet everything you own on nadl then, or are you just guessing?

chewy
06-04-2010, 04:36 PM
I liked the SF match, but Berdych was rolling since the 1st round till the fifth set, great efford by him.
Robin :yeah:

but I want both Nadal and Melzer to be in the final...for different reasons.

shotgun
06-04-2010, 04:38 PM
Soderling impressively defends his points. :hatoff: I think very few people expected him to do so.

I expect Berdych to do very well at the USO.

Blondie1985
06-04-2010, 04:39 PM
Rafa is winning his match, great!! that way Rafa/Toni will not calling french crowd names again!!!

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 04:40 PM
You are a legend, Robin! Another RG final, and has a great chance on winning the whole thing.

Knew you could do it, Sod :yeah: Beat the pig in the final.

Filo V.
06-04-2010, 04:40 PM
yes because someone wins 100% of the time no matter what the circumstances, you just need to have belief in them.
or someone gains from the rain and gets a bigger likelyhood for winning. whats the correct answer?


92-96, STOP lying.


so bet everything you own on nadl then, or are you just guessing?

First off, no-one cares about your betting crap. It isn't science. Secondly, regardless of the weather, Nadal is a better clay court player than Robin is. Thirdly, are you saying the points won always determines who is the best player in the match? Uh, no, look at the scoreboard, Tomas was 2-1 in sets and had chances to be 2 sets and a break up.

Yes, I am just guessing, just like everyone else, who is JUST GUESSING. Sorry to break that to you, you don't have any secret science down.

Corey Feldman
06-04-2010, 04:42 PM
Rafa is winning his match, great!! that way Rafa/Toni will not calling french crowd names again!!!:lol::kiss:

Andi-M
06-04-2010, 04:44 PM
Soderling wants Rafa, I wonder what that means...:p ?

Great performance under the circumstances from Soda he was playing below his level and he fought hard to come through and win. Can't wait for final :devil:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Both rock.Love both players.
Hope Robin will win the final.RG may love him again! :rolls:

Jomp1
06-04-2010, 04:54 PM
Congrats to Soderling for defending his Finalist points (at the very least) I must admit, I didn't think he had much chance when I saw the draw. :yeah:

Not a great match.

One of the best things about this run for sure, everyone expected he'd lose points and rankings here. Now he has the chance to become world no.4 instead and can't lose any points.

cardio
06-04-2010, 04:59 PM
I have to agree, counting points in tennis to " prove" that someone played well or poorly is just stupid. You may play great tennis match, beat your opponent in good style and win total less points. Tennis is not about total points won, it is about who wins more games and sets and how he wins them.Fed won more points in AO 2009 final, was he playing better than Rafa ?! He lost all important points that really mattered, choked away his leads and his 5th set was disaster. To judge tennis match by points won stats is just plain stupid.

MalwareDie
06-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Soderling will play better against Nadal. More time to set up his shots.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 05:14 PM
Thinking about it now I'm really happy for Soderling. I do believe he can beat Rafa and it will be a much better final :)

As for Tomas well he'll surely get another chance to make s GS Final :D

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 05:19 PM
Robin hit 62 winners and 63 unforced errors.
Tomas hit 42 winners and 41 unforced errors.

:sad:

Foxy
06-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Robby is now officially the new faker.
Anyway he is quite lucky because probably the match will be played on Monday or be finished on Monday. But I doubt it would help him avoid the straight sets loss.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Nadaltards getting scared.

Hope yous have the "injured excuse" to cover up Nadal's loss.

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 05:22 PM
Robby is now officially the new faker.
Anyway he is quite lucky because probably the match will be played on Monday or be finished on Monday. But I doubt it would help him avoid the straight sets loss.

At least you have 'Rafa is injured' ready if it doesn't go your way.

born_on_clay
06-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Nadaltards getting scared.

are you watching Raa's semi :confused:

he's supreme today
beware !!!

Chloe le Bopper
06-04-2010, 05:25 PM
I have to agree, counting points in tennis to " prove" that someone played well or poorly is just stupid. You may play great tennis match, beat your opponent in good style and win total less points. Tennis is not about total points won, it is about who wins more games and sets and how he wins them.Fed won more points in AO 2009 final, was he playing better than Rafa ?! He lost all important points that really mattered, choked away his leads and his 5th set was disaster. To judge tennis match by points won stats is just plain stupid.
Most MTFers don't really understand how tennis works, and won't understand your point.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 05:26 PM
are you watching Raa's semi :confused:

he's supreme today
beware !!!
He's playing Melzer. Who played a long 5 setter two days ago with Djokovic. Of course he's looking supreme.

Foxy
06-04-2010, 05:32 PM
At least you have 'Rafa is injured' ready if it doesn't go your way.

Soda is shitting his pants watching Rafa play as we speak. I doubt he will go out on court on Sunday/Monday! :rolleyes:

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 05:32 PM
the hilarity here is touching new levels........all we nadal fans can do is pity the haters who desperately want to see nadal go down........

hatas, you are hearing this here first at mtf - nadal knows simply too much on clay and it will be a clinic on sunday for soderling.......rafael will out-think soderling in every facet of the game.......

soderling will be the one who will make all the play like an idiot, nadal will be the one who would cleverly outdo him.......soderling wouldn't even know what's going on until he suddenly realizes mid way through that he is actually trailing by 2 sets.......

it's beyond funny to describe that feeling.......

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 05:34 PM
the hilarity here is touching new levels........all we nadal fans can do is pity the haters who desperately want to see nadal go down........

hatas, you are hearing this here first at mtf - nadal knows simply too much on clay and it will be a clinic on sunday for soderling.......rafael will out-think soderling in every facet of the game.......

soderling will be the one who will make all the play like an idiot, nadal will be the one who would cleverly outdo him.......soderling wouldn't even know what's going on until he suddenly realizes mid way through that he is actually trailing by 2 sets.......

it's beyond funny to describe that feeling.......
Ever heard of the full stop? Use it!

*Ljubica*
06-04-2010, 05:36 PM
Congrats Robin and good luck on Sunday.

Commander Data
06-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Sod has the artillery to Pearl Harbor Nadal.

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Ever heard of the full stop? Use it!

welcome back old friend glory aka ditherless........old habits die hard, glory.......

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
welcome back old friend glory aka ditherless. old habits die hard, glory.
Fixed.

Mashachosen1
06-04-2010, 06:07 PM
Tomas :(

Aaric
06-04-2010, 06:09 PM
Tomas :hug:
Robin :yeah:

Everko
06-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Is it possible for a 5 setter to be more boring? If this is the future of tennis im tapping out.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 06:25 PM
Is it possible for a 5 setter to be more boring? If this is the future of tennis im tapping out.
It wasn't really in doubt, I think even from their last 3 meeting it was always going to be like this, just isn't a good matchup quality wise for either of them.

Orka_n
06-04-2010, 06:40 PM
Is it possible for a 5 setter to be more boring? If this is the future of tennis im tapping out.Please do. :wavey:

Not a very clean match, but extremely tight. Tomas got tired in the fifth and Robin got the upper hand. Did what he had to in the end. I can't wait 'til sunday. Someone bring the barbeque sauce.

ad-out
06-04-2010, 06:41 PM
Tomas :hug: Great tournament for him though..

And Vamos Sod - now beat Rafa!

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 06:44 PM
Ballbashing, the future of tennis.:yeah:

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Is it possible for a 5 setter to be more boring? If this is the future of tennis im tapping out.

SODERLING WILL NEVER GO PAST A ROUND 4 IN A SLAM EVER AGAIN!!!!! :haha:

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 06:54 PM
SODERLING WILL NEVER GO PAST A ROUND 4 IN A SLAM EVER AGAIN!!!!! :haha::haha: :haha: :haha:

Everko
06-04-2010, 06:58 PM
SODERLING WILL NEVER GO PAST A ROUND 4 IN A SLAM EVER AGAIN!!!!! :haha:

When Nadal camel whips Soderling you and all the bandwagon soddatoadtards will be shut quiet.

oranges
06-04-2010, 07:02 PM
When Nadal camel whips Soderling you and all the bandwagon soddatoadtards will be shut quiet.

If only you would be shut quiet after one of you epic fails :lol: How many can one take and retain some dignity?

Guy Haines
06-04-2010, 07:08 PM
If only you would be shut quiet after one of you epic fails :lol: How many can one take and retain some dignity?

As if a Nadal win ever shut anyone quiet. :)

Sillyrabbit
06-04-2010, 07:09 PM
Would have said good match, but it really wasn't. 'Grats to Berdych though, he's having a really good year so far, nice to see him doing well. Disappointed with the last few games of the final set.

Corey Feldman
06-04-2010, 07:09 PM
Robby is now officially the new faker.
Anyway he is quite lucky because probably the match will be played on Monday or be finished on Monday. But I doubt it would help him avoid the straight sets loss.

Soda is shitting his pants watching Rafa play as we speak. I doubt he will go out on court on Sunday/Monday! :rolleyes:
"Monday Monday Monday ..." :lol:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2d1toxd.gif

question: if final did go to Monday, would that mean Fed get that extra week as No.1 since the new week began with him there?

oranges
06-04-2010, 07:13 PM
question: if final did go to Monday, would that mean Fed get that extra week as No.1 since the new week began with him there?

I'm afraid not, they'd just put the new rankings on Tuesday. Fed will have to cheer for Sodapop in the stands, wearing a toad costume as lucky charm

Merton
06-04-2010, 07:13 PM
Congrats to Soderling for his second RG final. He was tough after the 3rd and had more in the gas. Tomas had an excellent tournament here, I hope he maintains this new focus.

Guy Haines
06-04-2010, 07:15 PM
Congrats to Soderling for defending his Finalist points (at the very least) I must admit, I didn't think he had much chance when I saw the draw. :yeah:

Not a great match.

Co-sign, though I haven't seen the match yet, so can't comment on that.

It's near impossible to learn a thing about Sunday's possibilities reading this thread. MTF partisanship in full effect.

AJ, you know Soderling won't be playing this year's final the way he didn't play last year's. The situations are entirely different. Plus his whole attitude changes against Nadal -- he's on a mission. He'll be balls to the wall from the start.

For Nadal it's more a matter of not playing into the grudge match factor Soderling feeds off of and instead simply trying to win. Soderling is the one player who really gets into Nadal's head, so he has to stay focused.

The first set is going to be very important.

Nichele Hull
06-04-2010, 07:21 PM
I was rooting for Berdych to get into his first grand slam :sad: I guess it worked out for the best since Berdych would of played Nadull and Tomas hasn't beaten Nadull in five years

Chiakifug
06-04-2010, 08:21 PM
lulz. Everko gave me a bad rep saying Ill be dead soon. :haha:

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 08:22 PM
A death threat? :eek: :eek: Report it, man :o

Daniel123
06-04-2010, 08:32 PM
After the match against Fed I expected more from Robin and he definitely needs to step up a level against Rafa. However, Berdych style of play is difficult and the fact that Robin came out as the winner shows how much he has grown as a player.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:34 PM
After the match against Fed I expected more from Robin and he definitely needs to step up a level against Rafa. However, Berdych style of play is difficult and the fact that Robin came out as the winner shows how much he has grown as a player.Is that you Soderkingling? :speakles:

star
06-04-2010, 08:34 PM
lulz. Everko gave me a bad rep saying Ill be dead soon. :haha:

Speaking in a geological perspective, that is true of all of us. :)

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:36 PM
Speaking in a geological perspective, that is true of all of us. :)Not really, he said 'soon' ;)

Kolya
06-04-2010, 08:36 PM
Cometh the moment, cometh the man.

star
06-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Not really, he said 'soon' ;)

That's why I said speaking geologically. "Soon" in geological terms is quite a long time in human being terms.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:38 PM
That's why I said speaking in geological terms. "Soon" in geological terms is quite a long time in human being terms.
That's just weird, I wonder if Everko was referring to geological terms then :o

DuMa
06-04-2010, 08:38 PM
really no other final between rafa and soda would be more exciting. im excited for tennis. of course nadal's gotta beat melzer first

straitup
06-04-2010, 08:44 PM
really no other final between rafa and soda would be more exciting. im excited for tennis. of course nadal's gotta beat melzer first

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=163138 :lol:

DuMa
06-04-2010, 08:47 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=163138 :lol:


im not clicking that. i havent watched the melzer/nadal match yet. NBC delayed it for me and i have it on DVR ;)

straitup
06-04-2010, 08:48 PM
im not clicking that. i havent watched the melzer/nadal match yet. NBC delayed it for me and i have it on DVR ;)

:haha: NBC's just awesome, isn't it? Good on you, I wouldn't have the patience to do that

Malul
06-04-2010, 08:57 PM
:smash:two time RG runner-up robin the hero :lol:

:smash:

thank god you have kontinen,he is a true hero.

JamieOwen3
06-04-2010, 09:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1DgWaJLCY Soderling vs Berdych BBC SPORT website video uploaded by me for those who can't watch on their site (UK ONLY) :shrug:

Eden
06-04-2010, 09:47 PM
Haven't been able to see the match, but congrats to Robin for coming through and reaching his 2nd consecutive RG final :yeah: No matter the outcome of Sundays final he has proven again that his great run from last year hasn't been a fluke.

I think this wasn't an easy match for him after the important match against Roger and his first victory against him.

Tomas :hug: Excellent tournament and hopefully he will be able to carry his good results from the first part of the season into the second one. Looking forward to see him play in Halle next week :)

Geo
06-04-2010, 09:49 PM
great win for Soderling who has now backed up his result from last year :yeah:


shame that Berdych blew a 2 sets to 1 lead :lol: :sad: hopefully he'll continue his good form at the rest of the slams and masters this year :yeah:

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Q. Is your dream to win a Slam? Can you achieve your dream?
TOMAS BERDYCH: Well, of course. I mean, that's why I'm here, you know. I'm coming to every Grand Slam and trying my best, you know. So far it was the semifinal. Maybe I would say better lose now than in the final.

Interesting :shrug:

SwedSerbia
06-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Congrats Robin! Just saw the last set, but i listened to the radio at work the first 4 sets :D Soo strong to be in the final of the Garros this year too! And hat of for Berdych who had an amazing tourney hopefully he´s in top 10 to stay :) An great player.

I´m glad too see soo many new Soderling fans, last year before RG he hadn´t that many fans, but he´s still hated and i wonder why? Robin Söderling stands for tennis and he and Berdych are about to knock out the claycourt guys on their own "homeground", soon there will not be any more claycort specialists.


Good luck on Sunday, my score? 7-5 6-3 6-2.

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-05-2010, 02:38 AM
poor quality match, extremely boring

Soderling has no chance on sunday

Berdych was an unforced error machine

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 02:49 AM
Haven't been able to see the match, but congrats to Robin for coming through and reaching his 2nd consecutive RG final :yeah: No matter the outcome of Sundays final he has proven again that his great run from last year hasn't been a fluke.

I think this wasn't an easy match for him after the important match against Roger and his first victory against him.

Tomas :hug: Excellent tournament and hopefully he will be able to carry his good results from the first part of the season into the second one. Looking forward to see him play in Halle next week :)

This - Robin is a great player, top-ten worthy.
Don't ever let anyone say his run last year was a 'fluke' again. :yeah:

Robin and Tomas, both in Halle next week, YAY!!! :banana:

Action Jackson
06-05-2010, 02:52 AM
AJ, you know Soderling won't be playing this year's final the way he didn't play last year's. The situations are entirely different. Plus his whole attitude changes against Nadal -- he's on a mission. He'll be balls to the wall from the start.

Do I ?

andy neyer
06-05-2010, 02:56 AM
Q. Is your dream to win a Slam? Can you achieve your dream?
TOMAS BERDYCH: Well, of course. I mean, that's why I'm here, you know. I'm coming to every Grand Slam and trying my best, you know. So far it was the semifinal. Maybe I would say better lose now than in the final.

Interesting :shrug:

I can relate to that. Losing in the final is a lot more heatbreaking than losing in the SF, imo.

Getta
06-05-2010, 03:01 AM
Robin and Tomas, both in Halle next week, YAY!!! :banana:

they have both withdrawn from Halle.

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 03:11 AM
they have both withdrawn from Halle.

Not announced on the site yet... well if so, too bad, but understandable, regarding their RG run. :o

Ouragan
06-05-2010, 03:19 AM
Who'd have thought Robin Soderking would make two straight RG finals? He's not even Spanish! Well done dude, now go for the bacon.

gusavo
06-05-2010, 03:21 AM
First off, no-one cares about your betting crap.
eh what is this, I already said if you truly believe in what you are saying and dont believe in the betting thing, you will be sick rich if you bet all you have on nadl. he will win every time and you will make 1.27 times the money, there is no possible comeback you can make to this comment asside from "I was wrong, I have my doubts nadal wont win every single time" or "yes, I will loan everyting I have and bet on him".

Secondly, regardless of the weather, Nadal is a better clay court player than Robin is.
of course, hes nadal...

I have to agree, counting points in tennis to " prove" that someone played well or poorly is just stupid. You may play great tennis match, beat your opponent in good style and win total less points.
of course, thats irrelevant to my comment though. I wasnt saying anything about how well anyone was playing, and I wasnt implying anywhere that I could. I was telling him that berdych did not dominate anywhere during the time period he layed out.

Tennis is not about total points won, it is about who wins
more games and sets and how he wins them.
tennis is about trying your best in each point.

Fed won more points in AO 2009 final, was he playing better than Rafa ?!
someone who wins more points in a match is going to average a higher standard of play, so its likely he did.

Thirdly, are you saying the points won always determines who is the best player in the match?
im saying that asside from averaging how well each player hits each shot in each situation on the court, counting points is the perfect way to see how the match has gone in terms of strength of play vs strength of play. the most fair way is it to see the percentage of points won on serve, that way you wont get situations where someone holds to 30 and the next game someone holds to deuce6 they still won even amounts of points but the player holding to 30 having put in a more impressive game in those two games.


Yes, I am just guessing, just like everyone else, who is JUST GUESSING. Sorry to break that to you, you don't have any secret science down.
ok, so youre admitting youre very much not very sure about the fact that nadal will win virtually every single time. even if you think its a couple of percent possible that youre right its still going to be a profitable bet though.
I do have a science down to seeing how likely someone is to win a match, its very simple and proven.

Getta
06-05-2010, 03:23 AM
Not announced on the site yet... well if so, too bad, but understandable, regarding their RG run. :o

it's official (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9861633&postcount=1) anyway.

lack of formal announcement is understandable. :)

Sunset of Age
06-05-2010, 03:26 AM
it's official (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9861633&postcount=1) anyway.

lack of formal announcement is understandable. :)

Shucks, but understandable, indeed. :(
Thanks for the info, Getta.

cardio
06-05-2010, 08:15 AM
tennis is about trying your best in each point.

That is just WRONG! Tennis match, especially best of 5 match, is not sprint, it is marathon. There are million different ways to win tennis matches and your method is certainly most stupid way to lose tennis match.

Do you really think that Federer won all these slams trying his BEST on each of his THOUSANDS points played ?? Thats just impossible . He is not robot, noone is.
Lets say, good and confident server( lets say Federer) is break up against other good server( lets say Roddick) . Why to spend your energy resources in return games, to run down every impossible to get ball to get second break if you dont need it and if you know there is very slim chance to get it anyway because of your opponent`s excellent serve? Smart player sure as hell wont make 100% effort on EACH point.Smart player knows when to put ultimate pressure on opponent and when to let points slide and conserve your energy.
If Fed would play EACH point like he did on that famous setpoint against Soda, he would be spent and useless after 1st set.
Marathon runner or cyclist, who is trying to lead from very start to finish and chase down every reckless breakaway attempt, to win every minibattle on his way,loses always.

dabeast
06-05-2010, 09:44 AM
Yes!!! Would have smacked Robin in the face with a Swedish pie if he lost to Berdych, after outplaying Fed in the previous rd and breaking his #23. COME ON ROBIN!!! Let's take the title!!!

Certinfy
06-05-2010, 10:05 AM
Is it fair to say Soderling's best surface is clay now?

oranges
06-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Is it fair to say Soderling's best surface is clay now?

That would be a no

philosophicalarf
06-05-2010, 01:11 PM
Is it fair to say Soderling's best surface is clay now?

Sod actually was speculating something similar to that in one interview.

Does seem to take him a while to adapt though, and he didn't look exactly content in Rome - that was a total tank (maybe still carrying a knee problem though).

fran70
06-05-2010, 08:42 PM
I had a long week and I couldn`t follow MTF. I watched the last 3 sets on TV last night of this semifinal and it was the first time during this French Open that I could watch Soderling. I don`t like him and his tennis either but I must admit that this is not coincidence that he reached the French Open final for a 2nd year in a row. Not only he beated Roger but he was two sets to one down and managed to overcome the match and beat a dangerous player like Thomas. Hands down for Robin and congratulations whatever happens tomorrow.

Sapeod
06-05-2010, 08:47 PM
That would be a no
Which makes his form on it all the more scary. Hardcourts would be his best surface, indoor hard even more so.

Certinfy
06-05-2010, 10:50 PM
If both can play at this form in the last few months of the year, both could probably dominate the indoor season. :bounce:

gusavo
06-06-2010, 02:32 AM
Do you really think that Federer won all these slams trying his BEST on each of his THOUSANDS points played ?? Thats just impossible . He is not robot, noone is.
of course he did, more or less. he played as good as possible on every point, hence why comparing points won is the optimal way to see who is playing their best, which was the topic.

If Fed would play EACH point like he did on that famous setpoint against Soda, he would be spent and useless after 1st set.
I dont think anyone in the world agrees with this insanity