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Is Melzer top 10 material?

Sapeod
06-03-2010, 06:38 PM
Considering his form has become amazing out of nowhere, on clay of all surfaces, considering his sort of game.

I think Jurgen has a great game, a lot of talent, and would certainly make a great addition to the top 10.

I think he can. What do yous think?

dusan1610
06-03-2010, 06:39 PM
He will never make Top 10.

TennisOnWood
06-03-2010, 06:40 PM
After wawrinka.. anybody can make Top 10... but in this case,no

out_here_grindin
06-03-2010, 06:43 PM
Out of nowhere ie correct. This run is likely an anamoly. He's a grizzled vet now

Montego
06-03-2010, 06:46 PM
The answer you are looking for is "no"

Voo de Mar
06-03-2010, 06:53 PM
I'm afraid he peaked too late. Anyway Top 20 it's a very good ranking for him, through many years he could only dream about it, now it's a fact.

Mateya
06-03-2010, 07:15 PM
http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0603/4d2-bandwa.jpg

Not really for me.
He's just a steady top 30 player, has no real weapon except big forehand and can be mentaly weak what he showed in many, many tight matches...
He doesn't have the nickname Meltzer for nothing, you know. ;)

DJ Soup
06-03-2010, 07:17 PM
Right now he is playing at a level similar to Verdasco's

M4RC
06-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Definitely. Tomorrow he'll win 10 games.

Certinfy
06-03-2010, 07:20 PM
Matyaz :haha: :yeah:

His best chance in reaching the top 10 is now! I believe if he wins RG he's world number 9 or 10 ;)

Ivanatis
06-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Bandwagoning at its worst indeed.

Elena.
06-03-2010, 07:50 PM
why not ? if people like Ferrer did,he can too

Orka_n
06-03-2010, 07:59 PM
Doubt it. There's nothing exceptional about Melzer, though I kinda like him. And if he lost yesterday, people wouldn't even be talking about this.

ChuckNorrisFan
06-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Is Melzer bandwagon material?

Clearly yes

born_on_clay
06-03-2010, 08:13 PM
sorry to say but this looks like a fluke sf for jurgen

TMJordan
06-03-2010, 08:53 PM
Of course he is. Look at all the pieces of shit who have been in the top 10 over the past few years.

Certinfy
06-03-2010, 09:10 PM
Of course he is. Look at all the pieces of shit who have been in the top 10 over the past few years.Names please?

Sapeod
06-03-2010, 09:21 PM
Names please?
Simon to name one. And Melzer is 100 times more talented than him.

Pirata.
06-03-2010, 09:44 PM
No. There are too many much bigger players in the top ten right now. Even just the top 8 you have Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Del Potro, Soderling, Roddick. Verdasco has defended most of his points from this first half of the year so unless he loses first round for the rest of the year, he will probably still be in the top ten. Delpo will likely be gone shortly because of his injury, but until then, that leaves only at max, two or three potential spots open, and there are just too many players currently in the running (Tsonga, Ferrer, Youzhny, Cilic, Isner, Berdych) for Melzer to have a chance.

Hellraiser
06-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Maybe after SF/QF after Wimbledon. Cooperating with Nystrom, the whole thing is looking great. At the moment #16 it is a nice rank for him.

I_Dasco
06-04-2010, 04:49 AM
Never... But he is close to,

Billups85
06-04-2010, 06:21 AM
why not ? if people like Ferrer did,he can too

:cuckoo:

gorgo1986
06-04-2010, 06:51 AM
Anything is possible. He is a talented guy but I see him as top 15 at best.

propi
06-04-2010, 09:12 AM
Hey why not?? If he can keep his level, I could see him, after all he can have a nice run in grass, hard and indoor for the rest of the year :yeah:
I would like to see him up in there!

Acer
06-04-2010, 09:28 AM
Please! No.

problematique
06-04-2010, 09:44 AM
Top 10 in the WTA maybe

OnyxRose
06-04-2010, 12:43 PM
Please. Nothing against Jurgen but one good run doesn't make you Top 10 material.

osalsyst
06-04-2010, 12:49 PM
Jurgen is my favorite player. I've always been a big fan but I've never thought of him as a top 10 player or even a top 20 player. This run his shocked me beyond belief and I couldn't be happier. Let's see what he can make of it.

malisha
06-04-2010, 01:46 PM
he is

doubt he will reach it though

Helevorn
06-04-2010, 02:55 PM
if players like cilic are able to enter the top 10 i think melzer will too. that's actually not a good perspective for tennis

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Please. Nothing against Jurgen but one good run doesn't make you Top 10 material.
It's not about the run, it's about the type of game he plays and the amount of talent he has. And the run has shown us how much talent he has.

Montego
06-04-2010, 04:10 PM
It's not about the run, it's about the type of game he plays and the amount of talent he has. And the run has shown us how much talent he has.

But it is not about occasional flashy wins, but about highest possible average. And Melzer has just a fluke run.

oranges
06-04-2010, 04:11 PM
I don't think so. If he had this kind of breakthrough some time earlier in the career, perhaps he'd crack the top 10 at some point, but I doubt he'd be able to do it now.

if players like cilic are able to enter the top 10 i think melzer will too. that's actually not a good perspective for tennis

:spit:

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 04:18 PM
But it is not about occasional flashy wins, but about highest possible average. And Melzer has just a fluke run.
How do you know he has had a fluke run? Wait until he starts playing badly again, before saying that. Sure SF is quite huge for him, but he could follow it up with some cracking results, so wait before you start making statements.

Montego
06-04-2010, 04:23 PM
He is close to 30 ffs, it is not like he has much time left to confirm that it was not fluke.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 04:29 PM
He is close to 30 ffs, it is not like he has much time left to confirm that it was not fluke.
And age has to do with it how? Look at Ljubicic, he just won a masters tourney this year.

FedererBulgaria
06-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Yes

sammy01
06-04-2010, 04:45 PM
no, hes had a good run, but his game is flawed.

Montego
06-04-2010, 07:28 PM
And age has to do with it how? Look at Ljubicic, he just won a masters tourney this year.

Yes, but Ljubo was #3 long time BEFORE he won a Masters Tourney finally and he had some great consistency in the past, which actually led him to this #3 spot.

What does Melzer have except a semifinal run here ? He won't get better than he is now imo and now he will be #15 or something - this is his max potential imo.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 07:29 PM
He's no.13 in the race though :lol: He'll have a higher peak than 15.

ApproachShot
06-04-2010, 11:11 PM
Unfortunately I don't think he will be able to enter the top ten in this current era. And plus, age is not on his side.

CyBorg
06-04-2010, 11:37 PM
Some not-so-great players have reached the top-10 before.

But without much of a forehand... I'll say no.

Henry Chinaski
06-05-2010, 12:55 AM
It'll be hard because even the headcases in the top 10 like Verdasco and Tsonga seem to be fairly consistent. He'd need another deep run at a slam.

11-14 will prob be his peak if he has a strong 2nd half of the season.

philosophicalarf
06-05-2010, 01:07 AM
It'll be hard because even the headcases in the top 10 like Verdasco and Tsonga seem to be fairly consistent.

Yup, and Berdy likely to be top10 sooner than later, Cilic coming up to the best part of his season, Davy and DelPot to come back to health, probably Murray/Djokovic to come back to form, Youzhny not far away from top10 now and pretty useful in the 500s, even Gulbis charging up the rankings. It's a hard time to make the top10 now.

Mjau!
06-05-2010, 01:10 AM
Unlikely. Era too strong at the moment.

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-05-2010, 01:35 AM
no, he just a brain-dead Austrian

hes good to watch, but no way should he be in the top10

selyoink
06-05-2010, 01:44 PM
The day Melzer makes top 10 is the death of tennis.

_Shonen_
06-05-2010, 01:53 PM
If Boredo can do it, I don't see why not. I don't think he'll be a fixture, but I don't think it's out of the question for him to be in the top 10 at least once in his career.

Guga_fan
06-05-2010, 02:30 PM
No, he's definitely not better than any of the top 10.

green25814
06-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Should he? no. Can he? HELL YES. Fucking Simon was in the top ten recently.

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Not quite. He does a lot of things well but outside of his transition game and drop shots, he doesn't do anything on quite a good enough level to be elite. I can see him being around 13-21 though.

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Guys like Robredo, Simon, Ferrer have been top 10 because they make players beat them. They are generally consistent, and don't lose to players they shouldn't. Simon especially has the type of game that is a threat to anyone, he's really underrated. Melzer has an attacking game that takes a long time to perfect and one that can go off if he's in his groove. He isn't a great defender and his standard rally shot is just OK. So he's more up and down compared to the other three guys, and thus, is not quite top 10 material whereas those 3 players have been there and stayed there for a while.

finishingmove
01-22-2011, 02:28 PM
If Boredo can do it, I don't see why not. I don't think he'll be a fixture, but I don't think it's out of the question for him to be in the top 10 at least once in his career.

Melzer is not a better player than Robredo, I'm sorry.

abraxas21
01-22-2011, 03:09 PM
this thread shows the real level of tennis knowledge of MTF

Blackbriar
01-22-2011, 03:13 PM
no: 78% :eek:

MilosSs
01-22-2011, 03:14 PM
He will never make Top 10.

fail

MilosSs
01-22-2011, 03:15 PM
this thread shows the real level of tennis knowledge of MTF

+ infinity

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 03:37 PM
I was right, as I expected :yeah:

76.54% of the voters got it wrong :spit:

Welcome to the top 10, Jurgen :yeah:

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 03:42 PM
He will never make Top 10.

After wawrinka.. anybody can make Top 10... but in this case,no

The answer you are looking for is "no"

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0603/4d2-bandwa.jpg

Not really for me.
He's just a steady top 30 player, has no real weapon except big forehand and can be mentaly weak what he showed in many, many tight matches...
He doesn't have the nickname Meltzer for nothing, you know. ;)

Doubt it. There's nothing exceptional about Melzer, though I kinda like him. And if he lost yesterday, people wouldn't even be talking about this.

sorry to say but this looks like a fluke sf for jurgen

No. There are too many much bigger players in the top ten right now. Even just the top 8 you have Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Davydenko, Del Potro, Soderling, Roddick. Verdasco has defended most of his points from this first half of the year so unless he loses first round for the rest of the year, he will probably still be in the top ten. Delpo will likely be gone shortly because of his injury, but until then, that leaves only at max, two or three potential spots open, and there are just too many players currently in the running (Tsonga, Ferrer, Youzhny, Cilic, Isner, Berdych) for Melzer to have a chance.

Never... But he is close to,

Please! No.

Top 10 in the WTA maybe

Please. Nothing against Jurgen but one good run doesn't make you Top 10 material.

he is

doubt he will reach it though

I don't think so. If he had this kind of breakthrough some time earlier in the career, perhaps he'd crack the top 10 at some point, but I doubt he'd be able to do it now.



:spit:

no, hes had a good run, but his game is flawed.

Unfortunately I don't think he will be able to enter the top ten in this current era. And plus, age is not on his side.

Some not-so-great players have reached the top-10 before.

But without much of a forehand... I'll say no.

It'll be hard because even the headcases in the top 10 like Verdasco and Tsonga seem to be fairly consistent. He'd need another deep run at a slam.

11-14 will prob be his peak if he has a strong 2nd half of the season.

Unlikely. Era too strong at the moment.

no, he just a brain-dead Austrian

hes good to watch, but no way should he be in the top10

The day Melzer makes top 10 is the death of tennis.

No, he's definitely not better than any of the top 10.

Not quite. He does a lot of things well but outside of his transition game and drop shots, he doesn't do anything on quite a good enough level to be elite. I can see him being around 13-21 though.
:haha: :haha: :haha:

:clap2: :clap2:

_Shonen_
01-22-2011, 03:42 PM
Melzer is not a better player than Robredo, I'm sorry.

Well he clearly is at this moment in time, so you don't need to be sorry :)

The point I was making was more to demystify the notion of 'top 10' being associated with some kind of aura that Melzer could never belong in, because I felt like this is how some people were responding to the topic. I used Robredo as an example because he's unspectacular and never a threat at majors, and certainly doesn't have the aura of a top 10 player about him - and yet he was able to dip in and out of it several times.

Melzer has done well to stay consistent with his results, but him making the top 10 isn't as much of a surprise as it had been made out to be when this topic was created.

Puschkin
01-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Some people look rather stupid now. :rolls:

solowyn
01-22-2011, 04:06 PM
*votes* :angel:

samjones
01-22-2011, 04:08 PM
I was right, as I expected :yeah:

76.54% of the voters got it wrong :spit:

Welcome to the top 10, Jurgen :yeah:

It's not a certainty. But I agree that it does look probable. What's really kindof cool about Jurkin is that he just got better a little at a time for a long time until finally he (probably) cracked the top 10 - and pushing 30 too. You won't see that too often in tennis.

ultros8
01-22-2011, 04:15 PM
The only thing that could prevent him being in the Top 10 after the AO is Almagro or Wawrinka reaching the final, or Cilic winning the tournament. I'd say that's pretty much a lock.

samjones
01-22-2011, 04:20 PM
The only thing that could prevent him being in the Top 10 after the AO is Almagro or Wawrinka reaching the final, or Cilic winning the tournament. I'd say that's pretty much a lock.

Have you ever seen a list of past AO finalists? Do you really believe that Nick and Stan aren't good enough to be on that list? Look at the list before you reply.

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 04:22 PM
Have you ever seen a list of past AO finalists? Do you really believe that Nick and Stan aren't good enough to be on that list? Look at the list before you reply.
Almagro is not slam winning material. Neither is Wawrinka.

The Australian Open has had some fluke winners (Johansson, Korda for example) and some fluke finalists (Baghdatis, Gonzalez & Schuettler for example), but nowadays you rarely get them.

Looks like an all top 8 quarter-final this year. I can see Wawrinka beating Roddick, though.

samjones
01-22-2011, 04:28 PM
Almagro is not slam winning material. Neither is Wawrinka.

The Australian Open has had some fluke winners (Johansson, Korda for example) and some fluke finalists (Baghdatis, Gonzalez & Schuettler for example), but nowadays you rarely get them.

Looks like an all top 8 quarter-final this year. I can see Wawrinka beating Roddick, though.

Almagaro and Wawrinka don't have to win to pass Melzer. They only have to make the finals. Joe Willy just went a few years ago. Gonzo went the year before that. Marcos the year before that. How is that "rare"? I would call that pretty normal.

Pipsy
01-22-2011, 05:34 PM
Have you ever seen a list of past AO finalists? Do you really believe that Nick and Stan aren't good enough to be on that list? Look at the list before you reply.

To be fair, this really isn't a good year for outsiders to make the final. The top 9 guys are all still in the tournament. Also we're talking about Almagro here... :rolleyes:

Paylu2007
01-22-2011, 05:35 PM
glad he made it :D now i will see more matches from him and his hotness :D

abraxas21
01-22-2011, 05:42 PM
Have you ever seen a list of past AO finalists? Do you really believe that Nick and Stan aren't good enough to be on that list? Look at the list before you reply.

:lol: those 2 mugs have better chances at flying like superman that at reaching the AO final

Beat
01-22-2011, 06:04 PM
nice bump :lol:

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 06:07 PM
Almagaro and Wawrinka don't have to win to pass Melzer. They only have to make the finals. Joe Willy just went a few years ago. Gonzo went the year before that. Marcos the year before that. How is that "rare"? I would call that pretty normal.
I said it's pretty rare now. In 2009, it was a Federer/Nadal final, last year it was a Murray/Federer final....so, I doubt there will be any fluke finalists this year.

thedesertsun
01-22-2011, 06:57 PM
I said it's pretty rare now. In 2009, it was a Federer/Nadal final, last year it was a Murray/Federer final....so, I doubt there will be any fluke finalists this year.
On the other hand in 2009 and 2010 there were unexpected players in the semis... and both of them - Verdasco and Cilic - had chances to make the final. So I guess everything's possible in Melbourne this year just as possible as in the past five, six years...

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 06:58 PM
On the other hand in 2009 and 2010 there were unexpected players in the semis... and both of them - Verdasco and Cilic - had chances to make the final. So I guess everything's possible in Melbourne this year just as well as in the past five, six years...
The Australian Open is where most fluke/unexpected semi-finalists and finalists occur.

thedesertsun
01-22-2011, 07:12 PM
Yeah I know, so why do you have doubts about this year?
Sure - Fed/Nole and Murray/Rafa semis are probably right now but there are some other guys in outstanding form and considering this is Australia as you say... I mean why not?

Sapeod
01-22-2011, 07:14 PM
Yeah I know, so why do you have doubts about this year?
Sure - Fed/Nole and Murray/Rafa semis are probably right now but there are some other guys in outstanding form and considering this is Australia as you say... I mean why not?
Ferrer could reach the semi-finals. Nadull is playing terrible, so David has a chance there.

Almagro could beat Djokovc.

The only unexpected semi-final appearance I can see happening though is Ferrer.

thedesertsun
01-22-2011, 07:26 PM
Federer was very bad against Simon for two sets... so if Wawrinka puts away Roddick - and I think he will do so - he will have his chances! As you say Ferrer with a great form. Melzer can beat Murray - proved it in the last years, they had tight matches although he lost every time they played... and also don't underestimate Berdych... he's able to cause big damage if he's on (as well as Verdasco by the way). Will be a very interesting second week ;)

samjones
01-23-2011, 04:14 AM
I said it's pretty rare now. In 2009, it was a Federer/Nadal final, last year it was a Murray/Federer final....so, I doubt there will be any fluke finalists this year.

If you were flipping a coin a hundred times and at some point heads came up twice in a row would you announce that this coin rarely flips tails?

It's the same thing.

dombrfc
01-23-2011, 01:12 PM
17 voters on yes when i looked here yesterday :o 32 as of now.

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ossie
01-23-2011, 02:57 PM
so you really think he's gonna beat your boy eh stormlee ;)

Nole_1990
01-23-2011, 03:15 PM
Decent serve good groundstrokes good movement


And he volleys good as well

Top 10 material for sure

betowiec
01-23-2011, 03:17 PM
#s don't lie

rhinooooo
01-23-2011, 04:15 PM
Top 10 talent.

Top 1 choker.

Singularity
01-23-2011, 04:22 PM
Funny that 20 more people have voted yes, since this thread was bumped up.

abraxas21
04-15-2011, 04:56 PM
Funny that 20 more people have voted yes, since this thread was bumped up.

the yes vote stands at less than 38% but i assume it was much less before melzer actually got to the top 10

Sonja1989
04-15-2011, 06:43 PM
I remember I didn't want to vote. :D I missed 'maybe' word. :p

Blackbriar
04-15-2011, 06:50 PM
He is top 10, like Monfils. Exactly like Monfils.

vn01
04-15-2011, 06:54 PM
No. The fact he defeated Olderer on clay doesn't make him a Top 10 material

NadalYoung
04-15-2011, 06:59 PM
Hell no is he top ten material

eclecticist
04-15-2011, 08:56 PM
well is top 10 now, and won't drop out too quickly from the looks of it as all of the players below him are playing mug tennis right now.

abraxas21
04-15-2011, 09:00 PM
well is top 10 now, and won't drop out too quickly from the looks of it as all of the players below him are playing mug tennis right now.

nadaltards don't even know melzer is in the top 10 already. goes to show how much they care about others players besides their idol

Blackbriar
04-16-2011, 02:07 PM
Does today's result give you a clue about the answer?

Sapeod
04-16-2011, 02:32 PM
Does today's result give you a clue about the answer?
Read the OP before you ask me that.

oranges
04-16-2011, 05:09 PM
Does today's result give you a clue about the answer?

Does the ranking ladder give any to you?

Everko
04-18-2011, 03:31 PM
He is not. Good that he beat Federer easy, but he is not a top 10 type player

Topspindoctor
04-18-2011, 03:47 PM
Mugzer isn't top 10 material and never will be.

rocketassist
04-18-2011, 04:12 PM
A player who can volley with a bit of variety. Good.

Sophocles
04-18-2011, 04:25 PM
A player who can volley with a bit of variety. Good.

No wonder the Nadulltards hate him.

Sonja1989
04-18-2011, 04:27 PM
Who would be top 10 player if not Melzer? He made enough and he deserve it I think.

Sapeod
04-18-2011, 04:30 PM
Mugzer isn't top 10 material and never will be.
You're wrong. You seem to hate Melzer, even though he has a ton of variety and can volley well. Don't you llike nice tennis? Oh wait, don't answer that :tape:
Does that Nadal defeat to him last year hurt or something too? :confused: He is top 10 material, and he's #8. Suck it! :wavey:

abraxas21
04-18-2011, 04:51 PM
it's impressive how melzer has grown. a year ago he wasn't even top 20 and he had never even been into the top 20 in his life. the RG SF seems to have been the turning point in his career.

nowadays he's ranked eight, taking advantage of a mug era to climb more in the rankings

TMJordan
04-19-2011, 04:16 AM
Mugzer isn't top 10 material and never will be.
Yep. Whatever you say. Toolbreath.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0b87Pi29xc

Topspindoctor
04-19-2011, 04:26 AM
You're wrong. You seem to hate Melzer, even though he has a ton of variety and can volley well. Don't you llike nice tennis? Oh wait, don't answer that :tape:
Does that Nadal defeat to him last year hurt or something too? :confused: He is top 10 material, and he's #8. Suck it! :wavey:

:rolleyes: Why does everything have to do with Nadal? I couldn't care less whether he beat him or not. Nadal won the big one (RG semi) anyway. Point is, Mugzer is riding his lucky RG semi result everybody knows it. Who gives a shit whether he has variety or not? He can't win anything decent, he's old and he's doubles specialist. He belongs outside the top 20 - which is where he'll be after clay season is over. His weapons are limited, he's a headcase and he has the charisma and intensity of a wooden log. Get this Austrian mug off the courts and off my TV screen. He's the worst thing in top 10 since Mugrin Cilic, which says a lot.

shiaben
04-19-2011, 06:21 AM
:rolleyes: Why does everything have to do with Nadal? I couldn't care less whether he beat him or not. Nadal won the big one (RG semi) anyway. Point is, Mugzer is riding his lucky RG semi result everybody knows it. Who gives a shit whether he has variety or not? He can't win anything decent, he's old and he's doubles specialist. He belongs outside the top 20 - which is where he'll be after clay season is over. His weapons are limited, he's a headcase and he has the charisma and intensity of a wooden log. Get this Austrian mug off the courts and off my TV screen. He's the worst thing in top 10 since Mugrin Cilic, which says a lot.

What's funny is his game and shot selections only work for him in the best of 3 set matches where players like Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, and everyone else, may not really care whom they'd be upset or lose to.

But when these same mugs show up to the slams, they get KO'd. Mugzer's best win might have been over Djokovic, but if he'd dare show up against Djokovic a second time, I expect him to get KO'd in 3 sets.

I guess they are like 1x SF glory hunters. They probably think defeating a top player 1x and reaching the SF is enough to be a "top 8 or 10".

Baghdatis, Tsonga, and many others had "shot selections" and basic "talent", but look at them now, all mugs.

VolandriFan
04-19-2011, 06:54 AM
He has the body of a top 10 finalist on Mister World. :D

Everko
06-08-2011, 07:55 PM
He should not be in the top 10.