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Munich 1st Round: Ventura def. Dolgopolov 6-7 6-3 6-3

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 12:28 PM
What a fight between these two stallions. It was a very clean match.

Audacity
05-05-2010, 12:29 PM
:haha: wow

ExcaliburII
05-05-2010, 12:29 PM
fix of the year.

marquez
05-05-2010, 12:30 PM
olek fixing again

very disappointing for his (former) fans(me) :sad:

Filo V.
05-05-2010, 12:43 PM
Very unfortunate situation, if a fix is indeed what happened, again. Dolgo is quickly headed towards clown territory if he isn't there already. Too bad, because he has the potential to actually be somebody.

Deivid23
05-05-2010, 02:10 PM
First time I see a fix built after a rain delay postponed a match. Don´t know if he´s just a dirty donkey or a genius ahead of his time

*Jean*
05-05-2010, 05:38 PM
Olek :hug:

malisha
05-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Olek :hug:

why are you huging a dirty matchfixer?

searchinio
05-05-2010, 06:06 PM
I saw the Match un Tuesday and everything seemed fine. Ventura looked very uninterested, was complaining all the time but Dolgopolov stayed calm and was focused, even though he didnt play very well on this slow and wet surface...
I have no idea what happened today, very strange line movmentes indeed, but I highly doubt there was a fix involved. Maybe Olek was injured...

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 06:09 PM
I saw the Match un Tuesday and everything seemed fine. Ventura looked very uninterested, was complaining all the time but Dolgopolov stayed calm and was focused, even though he didnt play very well on this slow and wet surface...
I have no idea what happened today, very strange line movmentes indeed, but I highly doubt there was a fix involved. Maybe Olek was injured...

Sorry, this is just naive. It was a blatant fix.

Olek has done it before, and will probably do it again.

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 06:11 PM
Maybe Olek was injured...

Odds of $1.10 when a player is down a set and $3.00 before the match would mean that your opponent must be heavily injured. the way olek was playing in these two finals sets didn't indicate that. he even had chances to win the match.

Pirata.
05-05-2010, 07:04 PM
olek fixing again

very disappointing for his (former) fans(me) :sad:

Does he have a history of fixing matches? :(

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 07:07 PM
Does he have a history of fixing matches? :(

He was involved in a big prematch fix vs Zeballos in St Petersburg.

2-0 was like 1.2 prematch from 3.7.

Olek went from like 1.9 to 8.00 to win prematch.

Huge amount matched, blatant fix.

Ad Wim
05-05-2010, 07:15 PM
Sorry, this is just naive. It was a blatant fix.

Olek has done it before, and will probably do it again.

It's a guy who was there, mate! Either Dolgo is a very good actor, or the guy was wrong.

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 07:22 PM
It's a guy who was there, mate! Either Dolgo is a very good actor, or the guy was wrong.

he was there on tuesday not today! yesterday everything was fine but not today. so he can't judge.

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 07:44 PM
Fairly obvious either Dolgo initiated contact with some betting 'friends', or he was contacted by someone overnight and given a proposition.

Given that he faces Cilic in the next round, and Dolgo has no belief he can succeed at main tour level atm I guess it was an easy decision for him to make.

I used to be a fan but the kid is going to be a lifetime fixing journeyman type.

rhinooooo
05-05-2010, 09:12 PM
Another classic match in this fantastic year for tennis

superandy88
05-05-2010, 09:18 PM
I have seen the match.
Actually Olek had big problems with his back, he was just serving really slow and couldn't move properly.

JMG
05-05-2010, 09:21 PM
I have seen the match.
Actually Olek had big problems with his back, he was just serving really slow and couldn't move properly.

Maybe he was just acting to have this as an excuse later. I have already seen a fake retirement two years ago.

superandy88
05-05-2010, 09:25 PM
Then he is really an awesome actor, and after the tennis carrer che could go to Hollywood and begin an actor career...:eek:
I mean, he seemed really in pain after some shots and called the trainer twice.

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 09:32 PM
Then he is really an awesome actor, and after the tennis carrer che could go to Hollywood and begin an actor career...:eek:
I mean, he seemed really in pain after some shots and called the trainer twice.

He let his gambling friends overnight know that he would be too injured to win the match and to back his opponent whatever the circumstances at whatever odds.

He chose to play out a 3 set loss he was in such extreme pain.

AWWWWWWWWWWW poor Olek :lol:

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 09:40 PM
I mean, he seemed really in pain after some shots and called the trainer twice.

he played some pretty good games in the 2nd and 3rd sets for being in pain. so to answer your question, yes he's a really good actor.

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 09:44 PM
and if you say it wasn't a fix who placed the heavy bets on ventura? the court has no cameras so it could only be people at the court. given the fact that munich barely had any visitors i doubt too many people even watched the match. so it's highly unlike it was a courtside trader. in other words some people knew about it because a day before he was just fine.

superandy88
05-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Yeah, pretty strange. :confused:

Horatio Caine
05-05-2010, 09:53 PM
and if you say it wasn't a fix who placed the heavy bets on ventura? the court has no cameras so it could only be people at the court. given the fact that munich barely had any visitors i doubt too many people even watched the match. so it's highly unlike it was a courtside trader. in other words some people knew about it because a day before he was just fine.

It is possible people saw him practicing before the match, and maybe noticed that he had problems?

malisha
05-05-2010, 09:59 PM
people with that much money on betfair account(professional gamblers)?

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 10:01 PM
It is possible people saw him practicing before the match, and maybe noticed that he had problems?

Dolgopolov fan?

Bloodletting
05-05-2010, 10:04 PM
People don't seem to understand that unless a player has been shot and their headless remainings still stand on the court there is no way an injury can justify a player being a 1.1 fav and one set down in a more or less even matchup

Horatio Caine
05-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Dolgopolov fan?

I don't care for him or most of the players on the Tour.

I asked a simple question.

Bilbo
05-05-2010, 10:13 PM
I don't care for him or most of the players on the Tour.

I asked a simple question.

the answer is no.

why should someone place 10k, 20k or 30k on $1.10 or $1.20 odds even if the opponent is injured? it's not like ventura won the 2nd and 3rd set easy. assuming he was injured it was a very high risk. i would know better matches where to invest in $1.10 or $1.20 odds as this unimportant match.

also it's not the first time olek was involved in a match like this. also strange this always happen on the backyard courts, eh?

Horatio Caine
05-05-2010, 10:20 PM
the answer is no.

why should someone place 10k, 20k or 30k on $1.10 or $1.20 odds even if the opponent is injured? it's not like ventura won the 2nd and 3rd set easy. assuming he was injured it was a very high risk. i would know better matches where to invest in $1.10 or $1.20 odds as this unimportant match.

also it's not the first time olek was involved in a match like this. also strange this always happen on the backyard courts, eh?

Well people do take some insane risks when gambling... :shrug:

Sure, Dolgopolov has 'form' but it is easy to quickly jump to conclusions.

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter much.

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 10:33 PM
Dolgo is a fixer, he threw this match. End of story.

I see enough tennis markets a year to know what went on here.

KaiserT
05-05-2010, 10:35 PM
He might well have been carrying an injury coming into the match, or picked it up during the first set, but whatever the case he let certain people KNOW that he was going to lose.

bad gambler
05-06-2010, 02:44 AM
It is possible people saw him practicing before the match, and maybe noticed that he had problems?

Very possible

But there were people out there that knew or were very confident that he would not be winning the match. Whether that was triggered by prior knowledge of the injury it's anyone's guess

Zirconek
05-06-2010, 03:30 PM
Then he is really an awesome actor, and after the tennis carrer che could go to Hollywood and begin an actor career...:eek:
I mean, he seemed really in pain after some shots and called the trainer twice.

Probably he studied Stanislavski :p

Not surprising Dolgo losing to Ventura :shrug:
I didn't watch the match and I don't bet so I didn't follow how the odds went, and match fixing is a problem for the sport but some people just overreact when lose money, especially when involves players from certain nationalities.

Nathaliia
05-06-2010, 03:51 PM
As for the issue El Burro touched - I'm surprised you guys aren't aware of the fact the real big cash gamblers travel to the tournaments, speak a lot with the players, ask them details about the health, drink with them in the clubs (or stalk them in there at least). And it has nothing to do with any match throwing offers. Even myself I received very detailed explanation from the players on how they were feeling, they knew I was not only writing an article for the press office, but also planned to make a bet. I guess I'll never forget the scare after I talked to Stakhovsky and wished him luck against Bolelli saying I was gonna bet on him, and he told me to better not do this because an old injury had just renewed and he wasn't feeling that confident. So I told him I wouldn't bet at all, but I made a bet on Bolelli which was over the top in amount, but in the end a very lucky winner. The match was very equal and could have finished either way. Stakhovsky was indeed in pains from the middle of the match.

Analysing strange patterns we must always remember about jumping because they see someone else jumping ("they know") and even pure assumption (especially toward a player with a bad name) turns into a mass hysteria.

It's beyond any doubt some matches are fixed and it's a secret everybody knows that mafia threatens players sometimes (not just promises profits!) but there's also a big number of coincidences! And the pro gamblers aren't these who spill their hate on the internet forum but these who travel to the tournaments and stalk the players 24/7 - often with media passes (if they're accepted) to have an even better access to all the rumours!

In the end - one tennis player from a Balkan country whom I slept with used to know very well showed me how the matches were fixed. Those were the ones nobody could really tell something was wrong. And that's the real trick. Not those which look so awfully blatant. It could be for example an evens match which finishes with 3rd set TB - a match like a hundred similar ones... cash is flying like crazy in the last points...

Ad Wim
05-06-2010, 04:06 PM
That last point is very good, I thought of that as well. Why the hell would they fix when it's so goddamn obvious to everyone?!

SwiSha
05-06-2010, 04:50 PM
tennis rules

philosophicalarf
05-06-2010, 05:56 PM
That last point is very good, I thought of that as well. Why the hell would they fix when it's so goddamn obvious to everyone?!

If you bet large, it distorts the market, and massively so on anything outside a slam or later rounds of masters. That's always obvious to anyone who can read the markets - there isn't infite liquidity on the other side.

Tennis-Engineer
05-06-2010, 05:59 PM
In the end - one tennis player from a Balkan country whom I slept with


Who was this lucky player ? :p

KaiserT
05-09-2010, 01:40 PM
Some really naive people on this thread.

I accept Nathi's point that there may be some more subtle fixing that goes on, but as someone who has studied these markets for a three years and now make a living from doing so I am in no doubt that this was fixed.

Being blatant isn't an issue as the ATP can't touch them.

KaiserT
05-09-2010, 01:42 PM
Oh, and surprise surprise, Dolgo managed to play through 3 sets against Ventura with his awful 'injury', and now is in a long 3 setter with Fish 2nd round Madrid qualies just a few days later.

Real warrior this Dolgo :lol: