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NCAA Tennis Tournament

out_here_grindin
05-04-2010, 10:27 PM
Field will be announced at 5:40 et on ESPNEWS.

This is the thread to discuss it and following the selections I will be here doing some analysis.

Ozone
05-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Me and out_here_grindin will be breaking down the matchups and give you our predictions. Field will be announced any minute on ESPNEWS.

What we have been waiting for all season:bounce:

Ozone
05-04-2010, 10:29 PM
I have to step out. Jeff, post the field and we will break it down a afterwards

out_here_grindin
05-04-2010, 10:50 PM
Just as I suspected this woman knows nothing, picking UGA to beat Florida and Texas. This is their weakest team in ages and one of their top 6 Bo Seal just got suspended from the team.

out_here_grindin
05-04-2010, 11:44 PM
The Bracket (http://www.itatennis.com/Assets/ita_assets/pdf/NCAA+Championships/2010+NCAA+Championships/2010_M_Team_Bracket.pdf)

I'm not too happy with this bracket.

1. Why is Wake put with UVA? Wake got screwed, the 22nd team in the nation should bot be placed with the #1 team.

2. Where did their rankings come from? Baylor still 7th over UCLA? Georgia 11th still?

3. Too many conference matchups. If the seeds hold the final 16 will feature 6 of the 8 matches as confernce matches. Texas A&M and Baylor set to face for a 3rd time.:rolleyes:. Oklahoma placed with Texas Tech again.:rolleyes:

4. Pepperdine is once again a victim of their location. 21st ranked but placed with Stanford,just like last year.

overall an odd bracket

Ozone
05-04-2010, 11:47 PM
Another example from the NCAA proving that they are a clown organization. Overriding teams hard work in the season so they can make everything "local". Ridiculous. A 22 ranked team should not play the #1 ranked team. The effing 32 team plays the 1 team. But we are putting travel costs as the top priority.

Ozone
05-04-2010, 11:48 PM
The NCAA is just becoming corrupt. We have the same matchups all year that will be playing yet again in the tournament. Ohio State vs Illinois for example, Wake-Virginia, Duke-Carolina. Good heavens. I am going to call/write the NCAA. Anyone else is welcome

out_here_grindin
05-04-2010, 11:53 PM
I agree Scott. Does anyone really want to see UVA/Duke part 3? OSU/Illinois? A&M/Baylor? UCLA/Stanford?

The NCAA tournament needs to be about new matchups and playing new teams not the same ol' same ol'.

The localization is getting our of hand, way way too many confernce matchups. You get shafted because of where you are located.

Certinfy
05-04-2010, 11:57 PM
U guys are so into this :lol:

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 12:00 AM
Looks like they wanted UGA into the final 16 to boost ticket sales, cause they got the cake draw.

and Virginia Tech going to Louisville. :o

U guys are so into this

Yes we are Jase. College sports are huge in the US(not exactly college tennis but still)

Certinfy
05-05-2010, 12:04 AM
Ah ok, makes sense then. Might try follow this season of NCAA tennis then.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 12:07 AM
College tennis is life, certinfy. You can watch the pro's play on clay in Rome with one third of the stands full and the crowd giving a light, golf clap after every error, or you could watch 6 matches of hard core, point after point grinding with Davis Cup atmosphere times 20.

DualMedia
05-05-2010, 12:15 AM
GO LONGHORNS!! BABY
http://14.media.tumblr.com/VR9x7DdpSgpjbbw778vq6Tbvo1_500.jpg

Ozone
05-05-2010, 12:16 AM
(1) Virginia vs. Navy
Wake Forest (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879120&posted=1#) vs. Columbia

(16) Duke (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879120&posted=1#) vs. VCU
North Carolina vs. Nebraska

(8) Stanford vs. Quinnipiac
Pepperdine vs. Hawaii

(9) UCLA vs. Sacramento State
California vs. UC Irvine (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879120&posted=1#)

(4) Ohio State (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879120&posted=1#) vs. Western Michigan
Michigan vs. Denver

(13) Illinois vs. Xavier
Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame

(5) USC vs. Marist
Fresno State vs. BYU

(12) Kentucky vs. Cleveland State
Georgia Tech (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879120&posted=1#) vs. Binghampton



Boise State vs. Florida State
UNC-Greensboro vs. (11) Georgia

Troy vs. Auburn
SC State vs. (6) Florida

Tulsa vs. Oklahoma
Wichita State vs. (14) Texas Tech

Minnesota vs. Arizona
UT-San Antonio vs. (3) Texas

TCU vs. Ole Miss
Prarie View vs. (10) Texas A&M

Rice vs. Washington
Oral Roberts vs. (7) Baylor

Vanderbilt vs. Virginia Tech
Eastern Kentucky vs. (15) Louisville

ETSU vs. Alabama
Wintrop vs. (2) Tennessee

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 12:17 AM
Well according to that "expert" Texas will lose to Georgia. :lol:

No but in reality, Texas has a real serious shot to win it all.

DualMedia
05-05-2010, 12:18 AM
are you playing in this?

Smoke944
05-05-2010, 12:23 AM
U guys are so into this :lol:

It's tough to get into if you aren't from here and don't cheer for certain colleges.
But if you do, college sports are awesome.
Another thing is that I have been to Kalamazoo and seen almost all these guys there. And it is fun to follow their college careers.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 12:23 AM
Clemson isn't in it and I'm not good enough to be on the team anyway.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 12:24 AM
It's tough to get into if you aren't from here and don't cheer for certain colleges.
But if you do, college sports are awesome.
Another thing is that I have been to Kalamazoo and seen almost all these guys there. And it is fun to follow their college careers.

how do you like the bracket?

DualMedia
05-05-2010, 12:24 AM
dont say that^^

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 12:26 AM
dont say that^^

you gotta be realistic. At the very top of my game I can be top 5 on club but that is some distance below varsity.

DualMedia
05-05-2010, 12:33 AM
kewl!! i plan on playing for my hs

Smoke944
05-05-2010, 12:39 AM
how do you like the bracket?

It's ok. Truthfully I don't know most of these teams well enough to really judge it. What I will say is cool is that OSU plays Western Michigan. I have two cousins that play for WMU's girls team(well one graduated now) and they know all the guys really well. It will be fun to see how they do against OSU.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 12:44 AM
OZONE's PREDICTIONS!
Winners is bold.


(1)Virginia vs. Navy
(2)Wake Forest vs. Columbia


(16) Duke vs. VCU
North Carolina vs. Nebraska

(8) Stanford vs. Quinnipiac
Pepperdine vs. Hawaii

(9) UCLA vs. Sacramento State
California vs. UC Irvine

The first round matchups are pretty obvious, with UC Irvine pushing Cal farther than the Bears expect.

SECOND ROUND:
(1)Virginia vs. Wake Forest
(16) Duke vs. North Carolina
(8) Stanford vs. Pepperdine
(9) UCLA vs. California

Unfortuately, the NCAA has done a bad job and scheduled matchups that we have seen the whole season. Virginia is too good for Wake, mostly mentally(Virginia 4-2). In Duke and Carolina’s first meeting, which was AT Duke, as it will be again, the Blue Devils squeaked out a 4-3 win. That was thanks to a 7-6(5) 3rd set clinching match win from Reid Carleton over Hernandez. Carolina beat Duke’s #1 doubles team of Cunha(ranked #2 in singles) and Carleton and won the doubles point. This should be a very fun match, as Carolina is hungrier than ever after losing a heartbreaker to Wake Forest in the conference tournament. Duke is too strong in the top of there lineup, however, and I believe the #1 doubles team in the nation will not lose again. Duke 4-2. Stanford will pound an unlucky Pepperdine team, 4-1. UCLA vs. Cal will be a fun match. UCLA won the previous 2 meetings 5-2 and 4-3. The Bruins will win again, this time it will be a little easier. 4-1.

ROUND OF 16:
(1)Virginia vs. (16) Duke
(8) Stanford vs. (9) UCLA

Duke has come up just shy, 2-4 and 3-4 in the last 2 meetings. This will be a thriller, and Duke may just take the upset. I think UVA’s homecourt will take them to a 4-3 win though. Stanford had a close 4-3 win at UCLA the first meeting. But UCLA has picked up a lot of conference, recently beating #5 team USC. UCLA also has a TON of experience, making the deep run in the tournament last year. However, this Stanford team this year has been playing like old days, and they won the regular season title. I think Stanford will win 4-3 and be a big threat in the tournament. Look for UCLA to be right on the doorstep with an upset.

QUARTER-FINALS:
(1)Virginia vs. (8) Stanford

This match will be played on neutral courts in Athens, Georgia. I think this match will ride on the #6 match. I look for Stanford to take the doubles point and get wins at #1 & #3. It will all come down to the composure of Hirschman at #6 for the Cardinal. Stanford hasn’t beaten a top 5 opponent this year, but being in the Pac-10 is a big plus for them as Virginia’s comeptition doesn’t wake them up enough for teams like Stanford. Heck, 4-3 Virginia:eek:

My first semi-finalist is the #1 Virginia Cavaliers.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 12:56 AM
I am going to host a fill-in-the-bracket contest for the NCAA tournament!!

PM myself with your bracket filled out (all matches) and play against other competitors. The winner will receive 10,000 vcash AND bragging rights. Other prizes are pending.

Link to the interactive bracket - http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2010/ncaa_bracket_DI_tennis_men.html

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 01:08 AM
I'm not going to make my picks yet. We doi bhave 10 days after all. I will do some 1st round breakdowns later on and highlight some possible darkhorses.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 01:09 AM
We encourage everyone to follow the tournament in the official college tennis thread! http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9879192#post9879192

This thread is temporary, and may not be used during the tournament.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 01:11 AM
I am just going to do that 1 section today.

niezubayern1
05-05-2010, 02:46 AM
Although some of the matchups do seem unfair because of location, the NCAA has made this practice something they do across all sports outside of D1 football and partially in D1 basketball. Take a look at a bracket for any other sport. It's all about saving money for the individual athletic departments. Tennis doesn't bring any revenue to an athletic department so many teams don't have the financial support you would think. It sucks from a comptetative stand point, but as someone who does quite a bit of work with the NCAA, I can tell you it's definitely justified and supported by almost every athletic director around the country.

Ozone
05-05-2010, 02:51 AM
Although some of the matchups do seem unfair because of location, the NCAA has made this practice something they do across all sports outside of D1 football and partially in D1 basketball. Take a look at a bracket for any other sport. It's all about saving money for the individual athletic departments. Tennis doesn't bring any revenue to an athletic department so many teams don't have the financial support you would think. It sucks from a comptetative stand point, but as someone who does quite a bit of work with the NCAA, I can tell you it's definitely justified and supported by almost every athletic director around the country.

So the NCAA selects the matchups from a financial standpoint, rather than how it should really, fairly be played?

niezubayern1
05-05-2010, 03:06 AM
So the NCAA selects the matchups from a financial standpoint, rather than how it should really, fairly be played?

Well, yes and no. They do select the first couple of rounds with region in mind. It does give teams an advantage from time to time. You'll see this in D1 hoops as well like with the first 4 seeds getting protected which gives them a huge advantage as well as puts more butts in the seats. Not saying I agree with it, but very few athletic departments make money these days. Literally, fewer then 10 on a yearly basis. If you don't have big time football you don't make money. It's sad that things have come to this, but it's where college athletics are across the board right now, not just tennis.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 03:11 AM
The hoops comparison is not valid because there are neutral sites and teams rarely play close to home.

If its really all about travel than how do you justify poor teams like Marist and Quinnipiac getting shipped across the entire country?

and is Athens really that much farther from Winston-Salem than Charlottesville is?

Ozone
05-05-2010, 03:11 AM
Sad to see money fixing team's success

DualMedia
05-05-2010, 03:17 AM
I Want To Be A Commentator!!

niezubayern1
05-05-2010, 03:18 AM
The hoops comparison is not valid because there are neutral sites and teams rarely play close to home.

If its really all about travel than how do you justify poor teams like Marist and Quinnipiac getting shipped across the entire country?

Well, I can't explain that at all. really doesn't make sense. I'm just giving you the explanation that I have received before. Not that I agree with it, but I do understand the difficult financial situations many athletic departments find themselves in these days.

Do you guys follow the D2 tournament at all? On a whole it isn't quite the same level, but the top 4-6 teams could compete pretty well in D1. Last year's final between Armstrong Atlantic and Barry was unbelievable, came down to the last set in the last match. Both teams feature almost all foreigners so it really had the feel of a davis cup. I'll be on site for the finals again this year and am excited for another tight matchup.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 03:28 AM
I don't follow D2 that much. I do follow Anderson University's team and have played some with their players.

niezubayern1
05-05-2010, 03:36 AM
well, anybody interested in watching the NCAA D2 tournament, it will be webcast live on ncaa.com. I'll be producing the broadcast, we start with the round of 16 next Wednesday and go through the finals on Saturday the 15th. It's all free so if you need a tennis fix at work its not a bad watch.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 03:42 AM
I will check that out. Interested to see the top D2 teams. But D2 is quite a way below D1. #10 West Florida lost to a pedestrian Southern Miss team

Clay Death
05-05-2010, 03:46 AM
I will check that out. Interested to see the top D2 teams. But D2 is quite a way below D1. #10 West Florida lost to a pedestrian Southern Miss team


southern miss golden eagles. my old school.

they are definitely pedestrian.

docking34
05-05-2010, 04:31 AM
yo guys - good discussion though one question: are the D1 games gonna be webcast via ncaa.com too? i see the finals will be on espu and espn2 broadcast. any other way i can catch action because after all that is what i need to see what damage these guys are playing??

also:
are most of the top schools players, like duke and virginia, foreign??

DartMarcus
05-05-2010, 08:16 AM
Is there going to be a live stream?
Not a lot of teams I actually know something about. :lol:

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Once we get down to the final 16 all the teams play in Athens,GA. There will be a special website that has live streams of all the courts and you can chose which matches to watch. It will all be covered.

Also some schools may stream the 1st 2 rounds, I will let you know as we get closer to May 14(when the 1st round starts).

also:
are most of the top schools players, like duke and virginia, foreign??

A lot of players are foreign overall in college tennis but the top teams have mostly American players. Virginia for instance, 5 of their top 6 is American. Other top teams like Tennessee and Ohio State also have the majority Americans. Because they can attract the top American recruits to come to their school.

out_here_grindin
05-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Another travesty that I forgot to mention yesterday. 14 Texas Tech has to play at Oklahoma:confused:. Why? TxTech has beaten Oklahoma 3 times this year already.

I guess the NCAA wanted to do their obligatory, let's rip some top 16 team off for no reason. Like last year when they screwed Ole Miss.

Even Oklahoma's coach John Roddick thinks it's unfair...

"It is exciting for us to host," head coach John Roddick said. "I also feel for Texas Tech because they are the higher seed and they are getting shipped out, but it also says a lot about our program to be right there to step in and be the host for a regional."

Ozone
05-06-2010, 12:17 AM
Georgia Bulldog's website will have all 6 courts streamed in every match starting round of 16.

docking34- It is real hit and miss right now with the top teams. So top schools, as out_here_grindin said, like Virginia, have many Americans in there top 6. This is because the best Americans are going to want to go to the best schools. Ohio State, Wake Forest, Tennessee, Stanford have majority Americans. But teams like Texas, Texas A&M have a lot of foreigners. Some coaches don't believe in recruiting foreigners to play for them, others do what they have to do to win.

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 12:49 AM
Some coaches set up pipeline's to specific countries and areas to recruit. For instance Texas Tech has a pipeline to Brazil and are getting a lot of Brazilians to play for them. Which is probably necessary for them to win because it is unlikely that they will out recruit A&M and Texas for top American talent.

Oklahoma has a Romania pipeline

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 12:52 AM
Also Texas A&M will have a live stream (http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/2010-tournament.html)of their 1st and 2nd round matches. So you can see A&M and Ole Miss live in first 2 rounds. I would expect a few more school to have live stream and all to have live scores.

DualMedia
05-06-2010, 01:43 AM
KEWL!! the aggies, I like that school, but I dont love that school!

Clay Death
05-06-2010, 02:16 AM
there are a million other schools in texas kay.

you can always root for university of texas at austin.

Clay Death
05-06-2010, 02:19 AM
Some coaches set up pipeline's to specific countries and areas to recruit. For instance Texas Tech has a pipeline to Brazil and are getting a lot of Brazilians to play for them. Which is probably necessary for them to win because it is unlikely that they will out recruit A&M and Texas for top American talent.

Oklahoma has a Romania pipeline

makes sense jeff.

if we did a better job of developing young talent right here in the states--given our awesome resources-- we would not need to go after the foreigners.

on the other hand, its all good anyway. we can learn a lot from the rest of the world.

Ozone
05-06-2010, 02:32 AM
makes sense jeff.

if we did a better job of developing young talent right here in the states--given our awesome resources-- we would not need to go after the foreigners.

on the other hand, its all good anyway. we can learn a lot from the rest of the world.
It's not that American juniors are not as good as foreigners(even if they aren't) it's that the top schools don't want to fall behind the other schools that pick up the best juniors here in the States. The top programs only want to look at the top 50 juniors in the nation, so when they can't find any, or if they just want better players, they go overseas because those players WANT to go to the States to play college tennis. As soon as those guys get offers, there is no question that they will play college tennis.

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 02:50 AM
About the Brazilians at Texas Tech, here's a little story (http://www.big12sports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=10410&id=704229&DB_MENU_ID=&SPSID=106680&SPID=13211&DB_OEM_ID=10410).

Interesting take on their opinion of college tennis

Ozone
05-06-2010, 03:10 AM
Video is having a hard time playing continuously without stopping every second.

You must look at the other side of the story too. it must be a fair fight. Try finding Luke Jensen's article in Tennis Magazine. It was great. Explained that college tennis is failing american tennis by letting all these foreigners in.

Recruiting non-US citizens is killing American tennis. We are letting foreigners come into our public colleges and universities, and private, and they take away Americans spots.

Clay Death
05-06-2010, 03:47 AM
It's not that American juniors are not as good as foreigners(even if they aren't) it's that the top schools don't want to fall behind the other schools that pick up the best juniors here in the States. The top programs only want to look at the top 50 juniors in the nation, so when they can't find any, or if they just want better players, they go overseas because those players WANT to go to the States to play college tennis. As soon as those guys get offers, there is no question that they will play college tennis.

excellent point to be noted old sport.

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 03:51 AM
Video is having a hard time playing continuously without stopping every second.

You must look at the other side of the story too. it must be a fair fight. Try finding Luke Jensen's article in Tennis Magazine. It was great. Explained that college tennis is failing american tennis by letting all these foreigners in.

Recruiting non-US citizens is killing American tennis. We are letting foreigners come into our public colleges and universities, and private, and they take away Americans spots.

This is especially true with lower teams. Teams that are not in the major conferences are made up almost entirely of foreign players. Earler this year Clemson played USC-Upstate. Their whole team was made up of players from South America, they were a decent team in fact finished above Clemson in the final rankings but that's 9 spots that aren't available to Americans or local players from in state.

But you can't blame USC Upstate, they were looking for the best available to them regardless of where the plaer was from.

niezubayern1
05-06-2010, 05:06 AM
Video is having a hard time playing continuously without stopping every second.

You must look at the other side of the story too. it must be a fair fight. Try finding Luke Jensen's article in Tennis Magazine. It was great. Explained that college tennis is failing american tennis by letting all these foreigners in.

Recruiting non-US citizens is killing American tennis. We are letting foreigners come into our public colleges and universities, and private, and they take away Americans spots.

While NCAA tennis does seem to have more and more foreigners every year, I'm not sure I am against it in any way. Every team should try to get the best players possible to compete at the highest level. I don't think its failing American tennis. I think American tennis needs to be better, that's the only solution. This is America and anyone can come here and go to school and I think that's what's great about this country. If the American players were better, there would not be nearly as many foreigners in NCAA tennis.

DualMedia
05-06-2010, 01:47 PM
While NCAA tennis does seem to have more and more foreigners every year, I'm not sure I am against it in any way. Every team should try to get the best players possible to compete at the highest level. I don't think its failing American tennis. I think American tennis needs to be better, that's the only solution. This is America and anyone can come here and go to school and I think that's what's great about this country. If the American players were better, there would not be nearly as many foreigners in NCAA tennis.

so true!!! then again, the kids from foriengn countries wanted to do tennis to get a scholarship to a American College!

Clay Death
05-06-2010, 04:46 PM
This is especially true with lower teams. Teams that are not in the major conferences are made up almost entirely of foreign players. Earler this year Clemson played USC-Upstate. Their whole team was made up of players from South America, they were a decent team in fact finished above Clemson in the final rankings but that's 9 spots that aren't available to Americans or local players from in state.

But you can't blame USC Upstate, they were looking for the best available to them regardless of where the plaer was from.


our foreign players will start to come more and more from south america, france, and spain in the future. france and spain have the best tennis academies in the world. vast majority and as much as 95% of the total tennis courts in some south american countries are clay courts.

you just need that foundation.

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 06:23 PM
our foreign players will start to come more and more from south america, france, and spain in the future. france and spain have the best tennis academies in the world. vast majority and as much as 95% of the total tennis courts in some south american countries are clay courts.

you just need that foundation.

There are some players from France and Spain in college tennis but they generally stay home to play. But a ton are from South America. Brazil,Colombia,Chile and Ecuador provide a lot of players. Strangely enough, I have never seen a college player from Argentina. I think they just don't wish to go to America to play.

A lot of players come from Germany,Russia and the rest of eastern Europe. A few are from asia,middle east and australia.

The bulk is from South America and Eastern Europe.

out_here_grindin
05-06-2010, 06:33 PM
Check this out: A list of all the players in the ATP right now that played college tennis. (http://www.itatennis.com/Players/Players_in_the_Pros/ATP_World_Tour.htm)

I didn't know about all of these. Some good players in there. I had no idea Jonas Bjorkman played for UNLV

Clay Death
05-06-2010, 06:40 PM
There are some players from France and Spain in college tennis but they generally stay home to play. But a ton are from South America. Brazil,Colombia,Chile and Ecuador provide a lot of players. Strangely enough, I have never seen a college player from Argentina. I think they just don't wish to go to America to play.

A lot of players come from Germany,Russia and the rest of eastern Europe. A few are from asia,middle east and australia.

The bulk is from South America and Eastern Europe.


i see. some that may start to change down the road. perhaps we will start to see more from asia the middle east for instance.

south america makes great sense. they can come here and get a great education along with the opportunity to play high level ncaa tennis. and some of the south american countries are close by.

Ozone
05-07-2010, 01:00 AM
O_H_G links:worship:

About the NCAA foreigner topic, you guys have some interesting and justifiable points about bringing in foreigners. However, schools are going overboard with bringing in foreigners. Sure, to be competitive at the top level you have to have more than a couple top 25 juniors from America. That doesn't mean 5 of your damn top 6 should be from Guatemala. There are way too many teams recruiting foreigners and it isn't fair for the juniors in the U.S. that have trained and grown up here there whole life and be screwed out of going to a good school because a guy that has lived in Ecuador his whole life took his spot.

DualMedia
05-07-2010, 01:03 AM
so true, but if he is better than you can't discrimanate because that will cause some serious drama!

lol, it is just us four into this!

out_here_grindin
05-07-2010, 02:29 AM
Ozone, what do you think of Columbia? It would take a monumental effort for them to beat Wake but it could happen. If Wake is dissapointed because they were placed in UVA's region or simply looking over Columbia, they could be in for a fight. Columbia is no slouch

Pigpen Stinks
05-07-2010, 03:27 PM
Hey Ozone, one correction on your top quarter draw analysis - UVA vs. Duke would be played in Athens, not C-ville.

Columbia has some really good players, but I think their lack of consistently tough competition will hurt them against Wake. The Ivies are good, but they obviously don't compare to what Wake sees on a week in, week out basis in the ACC. Wake, 4-0.

out_here_grindin
05-07-2010, 03:44 PM
I agree with that. Same thing with teams like Denver and Binghamton. Great records but not enough consistent good competition.

Ozone
05-08-2010, 02:14 AM
Thanks Pigpen, I was a round behind in all of that analysis. I edited some stuff.

You guys dont understand that Columbia has ZERO chance. Wake's #6, Zach Leslie, is #9 in the nation in the class of 2010(he graduated last semester to play early). An ivy league school just can't compete or come anywhere close to that. Such a big difference when you compare schools like this.

Ozone
05-08-2010, 02:16 AM
Hey Ozone, one correction on your top quarter draw analysis - UVA vs. Duke would be played in Athens, not C-ville.

Columbia has some really good players, but I think their lack of consistently tough competition will hurt them against Wake. The Ivies are good, but they obviously don't compare to what Wake sees on a week in, week out basis in the ACC. Wake, 4-0.
Pigpen why the hell haven't you been in our college tennis thread!? :mad:

out_here_grindin
05-08-2010, 08:51 PM
Thanks Pigpen, I was a round behind in all of that analysis. I edited some stuff.

You guys dont understand that Columbia has ZERO chance. Wake's #6, Zach Leslie, is #9 in the nation in the class of 2010(he graduated last semester to play early). An ivy league school just can't compete or come anywhere close to that. Such a big difference when you compare schools like this.

I have seen some IVY League schools land big time recruits. Leslie may have been #9 junior but he hasn't exactly been a world beater in college thus far. I know Wake Forest will win, but Columbia beat Boston College this year. So it will not Wake's easiest match of the year.

Amalgamate
05-09-2010, 03:09 AM
I have seen some IVY League schools land big time recruits. Leslie may have been #9 junior but he hasn't exactly been a world beater in college thus far. I know Wake Forest will win, but Columbia beat Boston College this year. So it will not Wake's easiest match of the year.

:spit: Excuse me? Boston College isn't even in the top 75. Why would you use Columbia's win over BC as an example of their strength? :shrug:

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 03:15 AM
:spit: Excuse me? Boston College isn't even in the top 75. Why would you use Columbia's win over BC as an example of their strength? :shrug:

Wake Forest played BC and Columbia is better than them, I was just saying that Columbia is not an extrememly weak team.

Also the Ivy League is a pretty decent tennis league that Columbia won. Again I know Wake Forest will win, but Columbia is not a slouch team.

I could say they beat teams like SMU and TCU but that's not comparable to Wake Forest. Boston College just happened to be a common opponent.

Ozone
05-09-2010, 04:00 AM
:lol:

I agree with Amalgate, dont compare teams against BC if you are trying to make a point. I see what you are saying but the Deacs won't have any trouble.

Amalgate, do you follow college tennis??

Jeff what upsets do you see in the draw?

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 04:10 AM
yeah guys you are 100% welcome in this thread and our official one as well.

well obviously all the top 16 teams will win easy. I will do some 1st round matchups analysis tommorrow. But right now I see possible upsets: Denver over Michigan, Notre Dame over Wisconsin, Rice over Washington, Vanderbilt over Virginia Tech. Now I am not saying all of these will happen and I won't even pick all of them but they have a good shot.

33-48 teams with best shot at reaching sweet 16 based on regional matchups: Notre Dame and Vanderbilt

Ozone
05-09-2010, 04:16 AM
The Hokies are really having a good year this year. I think they will beat Louisville. They are really talented

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 04:19 AM
That could happen. Wide open region there. I see Louisville,VT or Vandy going to NCAA 16. I really don't know what do expect from Louisville.

Ozone
05-09-2010, 04:26 AM
And I see Virginia, Wake, or Columbia going to the sweet 16 too.

I like a USC vs. Tennessee final. UT is a sketchy team though. They could lose to A&M or Texas easily. I feel like USC has a great chance of making the final. They are going to be hungry to defend there title and they match up well against UVA.

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 02:51 PM
And I see Virginia, Wake, or Columbia going to the sweet 16 too.

I like a USC vs. Tennessee final. UT is a sketchy team though. They could lose to A&M or Texas easily. I feel like USC has a great chance of making the final. They are going to be hungry to defend there title and they match up well against UVA.

3 evenly matched teams?

UVA is probably the best team, but I can't keep thinking of them as anything but chokers.

Ozone
05-09-2010, 03:58 PM
You just said "I see Louisville, Vandy, or VT going to the sweet 16" and I was just trying to make fun of that statement. Nevamind.

Who do you like to win the individual titles?

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 04:20 PM
I meant to say "I could see VT,Vandy or UL", because that is probably the most even region. But I still like Louisville to advance, they have beaten both those teams 5-2 this year.

Individuals? Steve Johnson

Ozone
05-09-2010, 05:54 PM
And doubles? I like Smith/Sandgren with USC's Farah/Johnson and Stanford's Klahn/Thacer right there

out_here_grindin
05-09-2010, 06:14 PM
I also like Smith/Sandgren.

For the singles
Favorites: Johnson,Cunha,Smith
darkhorses: Campos,Charron,Singh,Baumann
top ranked players who will not be a threat: Krajicek,Nedoveseyov, Lacroix.

Ozone
05-09-2010, 06:58 PM
I like that singles analysis.

For doubles..
FAVORITES: I really can't say much. The top 4 seeds are definitely the strongest. I give the edge to Farah/Johnson because of the competition they've played, although they did lose the only H2H against Cunha/Carleton

CONTENDERS: Dedamo/Krajicek (Tex A&M) (5-8 seed), Inbar/Meister (Meister is a GRINDER! Love that guy. This team won both meetings against Klahn.Thacer), Texas' Kutrovsky/Zavala (5-8), Stamchev/Puetz (Auburn, have beaten Smith/Sandgren AND Cunha/Carleton), Thiemann/Thiemann (Ole Miss)

PRETENDERS: Really no safe pick to make here. Marcan/Buchanan (5-8) haven't really played anyone. Lacroix/Benneteau (5-8) may fold under pressure.

Good luck to Wake Forest's Forman/Atkinson (#19)

Clay Death
05-10-2010, 01:20 AM
From Russia with love

Northwestern's European imports have helped the Wildcats to the top of the Big Ten
By Scott Powers

ESPNChicago.com
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Northwestern women's tennis coach Claire Pollard would like one day to travel to Russia, but she's never been there before.

Her Russian vocabulary begins and ends with the word for no.

"I know that because I hear that all the time," Pollard said with a laugh.

From her English accent to her limited experience with all things Russian, Pollard doesn't seem like the ideal candidate to recruit two of the top international tennis players from Moscow and persuade them to make Northwestern their new home. But that is what she did with junior Maria Mosolova and sophomore Elena Chernyakova.

Pollard doesn't boast to be some masterful recruiter, especially in the cases of Mosolova and Chernyakova. Surely, Pollard's past successes -- her teams had won nine consecutive Big Ten championships before the two arrived -- and Northwestern's prestigious academics played a part in attracting them, but Pollard also acknowledged in both instances there were variables and a bit of luck that ultimately brought two unlikely Russian recruits to her program.

"You got to be ready for anything," said Pollard, who recently won her 12th consecutive Big Ten title and is now preparing for the NCAA tournament. "Everything is constantly changing in recruiting."

Mosolova was the first to fall in Pollard's lap. After opting not to turn pro after graduating from high school, Mosolova decided she would use her tennis ability to earn a degree at one of the elite academic institutions in America. She began her search by sending out e-mails to the tennis coaches at a handful of schools, including Duke and Northwestern.


Northwestern Athletic Communications.
Maria Mosolova is one of the top singles players in the Big Ten.
The first e-mail that Mosolova sent to Northwestern went unanswered; it was before the open recruiting period and Pollard couldn't reply as per NCAA regulations. When the time came and Pollard received a second e-mail, she quickly sent back a note and expressed her interest.

From a tennis standpoint, Pollard knew Mosolova could flourish in the Big Ten -- she was the 41st-ranked junior player by the International Tennis Federation (ITF). The question was whether Mosolova academically could get into Northwestern.

"It's pretty rare that I'm going to get a Russian that speaks good English, has the academics and has been in school long enough to be prepared for Northwestern," Pollard said. "The academic requirements are so tough at Northwestern that it can be so difficult for nonspeaking English student-athletes."

That wasn't a problem with Mosolova. Her academics were superb, and she was fluent in English, which she had studied since she was a child. Pleased to discover that, Pollard traveled to Hungary to see Mosolova play, offered her a scholarship and Mosolova later committed.

Mosolova's recruitment happened over time. So Pollard was able to prepare her for the differences in culture and tennis at Northwestern from her homeland. The process was much quicker with Chernyakova.

Late in 2008, a scholarship opened up for Northwestern. Pollard was conflicted whether to search for another player for the following season or hold onto the scholarship. Just to cover all her bases, she asked Mosolova if she knew of anyone who might fit Northwestern's standards.

Mosolova instantly thought of Chernyakova, a childhood tennis friend of hers who was intelligent and also spoke fluent English, and gave her a call.

"I was playing in pro tournaments [while maintaining amateur status]," said Chernyakova, who was ranked 16th by the ITF. "I wasn't thinking about colleges. Maria called me, and I got really interested in the whole idea, and I ended up coming. I was just interested in the whole experience of having both an education while playing."

Mosolova's transition to Northwestern was smooth. Pollard hasn't seen many domestic players adjust as quickly to college life and tennis as did Mosolova.

Chernyakova didn't have it as easy.

"It was a much harder transition for her than Maria," Pollard said. "With Maria, I spent a whole year e-mailing her and being up front with her. I didn't have that opportunity with Elena. She had no idea. She was so used to her own schedule. She was surprised to be one someone else's."

The one positive was Mosolova had already been at Northwestern for a year when Chernyakova arrived.

"The hardest thing was probably not having any Russian people around me," Chernyakova said. "Whenever I had questions, Maria would guide me through them. It was nice to have somebody from your hometown there."

Both did have to go through a similar learning curve with playing for a team. Both had been accustomed to tennis as an individual sport.

"The whole team concept was different for me," Mosolova said. "I was used to playing with a coach. Now I had other players on my team."

Pollard has seen them adapt.


Northwestern Athletic Communications.
Elena Chernyakova has made her mark in doubles.
"It's important to understand that the team comes first," Pollard said. "What it means to be playing for Northwestern is you're playing for something bigger than yourself. Both are embracing that. That's what we hope as Wildcats."

On the court, both have shined. Mosolova has lost one Big Ten singles match in three seasons and is currently ranked 13th in the country by the Intercollegiate Tennis Association. Chernyakova has excelled as a doubles player and has gone 60-21 in doubles during the past two seasons.

Lately, Mosolova and Chernyakova, who share the same birthday (Oct. 19), have even been united as doubles partners. Pollard has been searching for a match and decided to experiment with them.

The two have been a perfect fit. Their games have meshed, and they've used their Russian language to their advantage. With their win over Michigan in the Big Ten tournament championship, they improved to 6-1 as doubles partners.

"They have good chemistry," Pollard said. "It sounds silly, but being able to talk in their native tongue helps them. They complement each other. Elena is a good risk taker. Maria is a lot more conservative. She sets Elena up, and Elena finishes.

"I think they both have a similar personality in where they can both be irritable, but they can also make each other smile and laugh. In doubles, that can be a deciding factor."

Mosolova has enjoyed her Northwestern experience from start to finish, but having Chernyakova there has added to it.

"She's very outgoing," Mosolova said. "She's very social. She's just a happy person. She tries very hard in the every match. She's a great doubles partner. We always have fun.

"It's always nice to have someone from your same country, same city. Having Elena here has definitely helped me. Sometimes she makes Russian food. I have a bond with all my teammates, but it's different with her."

Scott Powers covers high school and college sports for ESPNChicago.com and can be reached at spowers@espnchicago.com.

out_here_grindin
05-10-2010, 02:22 AM
That story is very similiar to the Texas Tech men's team of Brazilians story. Especially the part about having never played for a team before. Foreigners are even more prevelant in the women's game than the men's. If you compare the list of college players in the ATP to the college players in the WTA, the ATP has far more ex college players. (One of the most successful on the women's side, Julie Coin came from Clemson).

N'western has bulit an unlikely powerhouse in women's tennis. Their men's team is not that good, looks like they found some hidden gems in Russia.

Clay Death
05-10-2010, 03:04 AM
looks like you were right old sport jeff. we do have a lot of players coming here from the russia and the like.

and why not. russian women have proven themselves to be a force in the world of tennis.

south american players are making a differnce as well here at our universites as you have suggested.

out_here_grindin
05-11-2010, 12:39 AM
Alright some analysis, starting at the bottom of the draw:

2 Tennessee vs Winthrop - Tennessee cruises
Alabama vs East Tennessee State - Alabama had a dissapointing year but they win this one 4-0

15 Louisville vs Eastern Kentucky - EKU's 1st ever trip. Louisville had their best ever year.
Virginia Tech vs Vanderbilt - Even matchup that could go either way. Both played Louisville closely this year. I pick Vandy 4-3

7 Baylor vs Oral Roberts
Washington vs Rice - Good matchup that could go either way. Rice is dangerous and has played Texas close. Rice wins 4-2

10 Texas A&M vs Prarie View
Ole Miss vs TCU - Ole Miss had a rebuilding year after losing a lot of players last year. TCU surprisingly won the Mountain West to make tournament. Ole Miss 4-0

2nd round:

2 Tennessee vs Alabama - Tennessee won 4-1 earlie this year. Expect a even wider margain this time around.

15 Louisville vs Vanderbilt - Louisville on 5-2 earlier this year but it was a very close match. Louisville should edge it at home 4-2

7 Baylor vs Rice - 1st meeting. A lot of common opponents. Rice should provide a test but Baylor will win 4-1

10 Texas A&M vs Ole Miss - Tough matchup. Being at home will give Texas A&M just the edge it needs, 4-3

Ozone
05-11-2010, 02:54 AM
Hey Jeff, want to move this back to our official thread? We need the numbers for hopes of sub-forum. You should rename the title of this thread if we move it and make it say "visit our official thread for further discussion" or something.

Ozone
05-13-2010, 11:56 PM
REMINDER: PM me with your brackets by tomorrow, please:)

NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS BEGIN TOMORROW!!!:bounce: (friday)

Ozone
05-13-2010, 11:57 PM
Please follow the championships on the Official College Tennis Thread in General Player Talk.


Tourney starts tomorrow:bounce: Send me your brackets!!:yeah:

out_here_grindin
05-14-2010, 12:22 AM
link for those too lazy to go to the other forum (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=9909072#post9909072)