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is DARTH FEDERER, GOAT among men, the most popular tennis player ever?

andy neyer
05-03-2010, 09:59 PM
Whether he's the GOAT is debatable but I think it's safe to say that he's the most popular at this point.
In most of the places he goes he's the crowd fave and even in his practices he has many fans watching him. I was just reading that today he had to be escorted by 4 security guards just to get in time to his practice session in Estoril. That's just crazy, imo.

EDIT: the thread title has been changed on request of the Fedtards. :)

Sunset of Age
05-03-2010, 10:02 PM
Rogie. :worship: :help: :rolls:
Nice trolling mate! :D

ChuckNorrisFan
05-03-2010, 10:02 PM
Even people who are not into tennis know him, so I think yes

That nickname sucks BTW

laurie-1
05-03-2010, 10:17 PM
I think No and have voted No for this reason:

Its true that for those that follow Tennis and Roger Federer in particular, Federer is very important to his fans, they are very committed to him.

But in every day walk of life, a lot of people who I work with and people I meet are not that bothered about Roger Federer at all, they see him as a great player and thats about it. A lot of people I meet outside of Tennis tend to prerfer Nadal which is interesting. Besides coming up with the hit for Haiti idea, Federer doesn't really speak on outside issues so the general public will not him in the way of a Navratilova or Arthur Ashe.

I think Andre Agassi is probably the most popular player who had fans outside of the general Tennis fan base due to his larger than life personality.

From what I've seen from 1970s videos, schoolgirls were following Bjorn Borg all over the place like a Rock Star, so he's up there as well. Federer seems to attract more mature ladies from what I can tell.

zlaja777
05-03-2010, 10:27 PM
Yes...

ExcaliburII
05-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Of course not, even Yannick Noah was more popular than him.

andy neyer
05-03-2010, 10:28 PM
I think No and have voted No for this reason:

Its true that for those that follow Tennis and Roger Federer in particular, Federer is very important to his fans, they are very committed to him.

But in every day walk of life, a lot of people who I work with and people I meet are not that bothered about Roger Federer at all, they see him as a great player and thats about it. A lot of people I meet outside of Tennis tend to prerfer Nadal which is interesting. Besides coming up with the hit for Haiti idea, Federer doesn't really speak on outside issues so the general public will not him in the way of a Navratilova or Arthur Ashe.

I think Andre Agassi is probably the most popular player who had fans outside of the general Tennis fan base due to his larger than life personality.

From what I've seen from 1970s videos, schoolgirls were following Bjorn Borg all over the place like a Rock Star, so he's up there as well. Federer seems to attract more mature ladies from what I can tell.

That seems like a very reasonable analysis. I wasn't around in Bjorn's era but I have read he was indeed very popular.

I think that Nadal has many fans who aren't truly tennis fans but tend to like him because they find him attractive (that's not to say that's the case of all Nadal fans of course). On the other hand, most of the Federer fans I know tend to like him for his game only.

recessional
05-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Even people who are not into tennis know him, so I think yes

That nickname sucks BTW

this, this, this.

HKz
05-03-2010, 11:07 PM
I think No and have voted No for this reason:

Its true that for those that follow Tennis and Roger Federer in particular, Federer is very important to his fans, they are very committed to him.

But in every day walk of life, a lot of people who I work with and people I meet are not that bothered about Roger Federer at all, they see him as a great player and thats about it. A lot of people I meet outside of Tennis tend to prerfer Nadal which is interesting. Besides coming up with the hit for Haiti idea, Federer doesn't really speak on outside issues so the general public will not him in the way of a Navratilova or Arthur Ashe.

I think Andre Agassi is probably the most popular player who had fans outside of the general Tennis fan base due to his larger than life personality.

From what I've seen from 1970s videos, schoolgirls were following Bjorn Borg all over the place like a Rock Star, so he's up there as well. Federer seems to attract more mature ladies from what I can tell.

Being popular has nothing to do with whether or not people care about your skills. If they know who he is, they know who he is. Obviously if 80 out of 100 people know you, you are more popular than that other guy who is only known by 50 out of 100 people regardless whether or not they love him to death. So I don't see your point by that statement.

laurie-1
05-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Being popular has nothing to do with whether or not people care about your skills. If they know who he is, they know who he is. Obviously if 80 out of 100 people know you, you are more popular than that other guy who is only known by 50 out of 100 people regardless whether or not they love him to death. So I don't see your point by that statement.

Well clearly Nadal is as well known as Federer - so the statement speaks for itself.

CyBorg
05-03-2010, 11:16 PM
Borg, Connors, McEnroe all played at a time when tennis was at its peak in terms of popularity. Tennis today, Federer inclusive, is not even sniffing those levels.

Agassi was also popular, but not as much as the 70s-early-80s stars.

r2473
05-03-2010, 11:17 PM
Oscar Hernandez

laurie-1
05-03-2010, 11:20 PM
Cyborg,

Is that Frank Zappa in your Avatar?

duong
05-03-2010, 11:21 PM
Impossible to measure that :shrug:

Esp as the definition of what you call "popular" is not precise at all.

Most well-known by most people ? Most beloved ?

What I can say subjectively is that since I followed tennis (beginning of the 80s), I have the impression that two players were a kind of myth, whose name represented tennis as a whole in the ears of many people :

McEnroe and Federer

many people spoke (and still speak) about "playing like McEnroe" as a kind of myth.

Federer's name represents nearly the same now, I think, maybe not as much yet.

I guess Laver represented something like that as well, but tennis was less well-known in the world in that time.

Agassi is something completely different, Kournikova as well :haha:

Of course not, even Yannick Noah was more popular than him.

you made me laugh but I now wonder : you come from Argentina from what I know, was he popular there ?

(note that Noah was the idol of my adolescence)

duong
05-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Borg, Connors, McEnroe all played at a time when tennis was at its peak in terms of popularity. Tennis today, Federer inclusive, is not even sniffing those levels.


I don't know where's your point of view. In the USA it's probably true.

But in France, it's not true.

And even if France had its best tennis players in the 80s.

yesyesok
05-03-2010, 11:26 PM
I really don't know. He is clearly the most popular on the tour just now. Living in Scotland the GS only tennis viewer tends to dislike Federer because of the small fued between him and Murray (the local boy).

They all know how great he is though.

But the amount of puns I see in popular culture on 'YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS' would lead me to believe McEnroe is the most popular ever.

duong
05-03-2010, 11:28 PM
I think Andre Agassi is probably the most popular player who had fans outside of the general Tennis fan base due to his larger than life personality.

in France apart from tennis Agassi was not well-known for "larger than life personality" but only for fashion reasons :shrug:

out_here_grindin
05-03-2010, 11:30 PM
The most popular player ever in the USA has to be McEnroe. To this day he is one of the first players casual fans think of. Whenever there is a player with a bad attitude it's always "Hey he's like McEnroe". He has hept his legacy intact and remains very relevant even today.

duong
05-03-2010, 11:31 PM
The most popular player ever in the USA has to be McEnroe. To this day he is one of the first players casual fans think of. Whenever there is a player with a bad attitude it's always "Hey he's like McEnroe". He has hept his legacy intact and remains very relevant even today.

yes I think McEnroe's print will stay longer than Federer's, probably because of these aspects which were not strictly related to his game, however magical this game was.

CyBorg
05-03-2010, 11:54 PM
Cyborg,

Is that Frank Zappa in your Avatar?

Yes!

Topspin Forehand
05-04-2010, 12:01 AM
Popular as in most hated? Maybe then.

laurie-1
05-04-2010, 12:02 AM
Yes!

:yeah:

I remember a documentary on BBC radio a few years ago where guys who had played in his band like George Duke and the Fowler Brothers were saying how Frank would hire Jazz musicians, play Jazz pretty much but no one was allowed to say the word Jazz in his presence!

A great musician.

CyBorg
05-04-2010, 12:15 AM
:yeah:

I remember a documentary on BBC radio a few years ago where guys who had played in his band like George Duke and the Fowler Brothers were saying how Frank would hire Jazz musicians, play Jazz pretty much but no one was allowed to say the word Jazz in his presence!

A great musician.

A very smart and engaging man too.

Hewitt =Legend
05-04-2010, 12:19 AM
Oscar Hernandez

This.

And we need to ban that nickname.

tyruk14
05-04-2010, 12:29 AM
Agassi and Mac are still more popular. Connors also in the USA.

barbadosan
05-04-2010, 12:30 AM
Long touted as the most popular male tennis player in Asia means Fed starts with a decided mathematical advantage. Add the results of end-of-year polls (internet & newspaper mainly), and it's pretty hard to argue that he isn't the most popular. Centre Court tennis fans may give a standing ovation to a player who has played well, but I've actually seen a couple of matches where Fed was given a standing O on being announced. Can't remember seeing that happen with other players.

CyBorg
05-04-2010, 12:34 AM
I don't know where's your point of view. In the USA it's probably true.

But in France, it's not true.

And even if France had its best tennis players in the 80s.

Tennis has gone up in popularity in some countries, but the US is a huge country. But so is Australia. Some powerhouse countries like Sweden also face a decline in interest. Germany is undergoing a bit of a tennis crisis. India can't possibly be doing better than it was.

Altogether tennis is in a funk.

If I had to make an educated guess I would say Borg. He also had a very popular "image", one that is still a successful commodity. Federer has a muddled image, typically aligning himself with top brands like Rolex. But it's not his own unique image.

laurie-1
05-04-2010, 12:45 AM
Tennis has gone up in popularity in some countries, but the US is a huge country. But so is Australia. Some powerhouse countries like Sweden also face a decline in interest. Germany is undergoing a bit of a tennis crisis.

Altogether tennis is in a funk.

If I had to make an educated guess I would say Borg. He also had a very popular "image", one that is still a successful commodity. Federer has a muddled image, typically aligning himself with top brands like Rolex. But it's not his own unique image.

Yes,

while I've been grappling on this issue I think you've hit on something.

Frank Zappa is a great example here because he was unique not only as a musician but as a personality and a spokesman.

I just think that people like McEnroe, Navratilova and Agassi are more popular for that kind of reason. Federer is a great Tennis player but he only offers Tennis, he is not really unique other than for his Tennis. I think thats why non Tennis people do not really take much notice of him.

But of course, in Tennis circles he's profoundly popular, at the 02 Arena last year against Murray he got more cheers than Murray when I was there.

But I think this discussion is about transcending the Tennis community into the wider community?

Jills
05-04-2010, 01:02 AM
Fed will never be the most popular player because he has a boring personality, and his snooty Rolex and NetJets and murse-wearing image doesn't transfer to the average Joe on the street.

EWWW, the name "Rogie" make me sick, but it fits him perfectly.

CyBorg
05-04-2010, 01:08 AM
Yes,

while I've been grappling on this issue I think you've hit on something.

Frank Zappa is a great example here because he was unique not only as a musician but as a personality and a spokesman.

I just think that people like McEnroe, Navratilova and Agassi are more popular for that kind of reason. Federer is a great Tennis player but he only offers Tennis, he is not really unique other than for his Tennis. I think thats why non Tennis people do not really take much notice of him.

But of course, in Tennis circles he's profoundly popular, at the 02 Arena last year against Murray he got more cheers than Murray when I was there.

But I think this discussion is about transcending the Tennis community into the wider community?

A good example of Borg's image transcending beyond the tennis arena is "The Royal Tenenbaums". Federer doesn't have an adaptable image, even though he's admittedly very popular in tennis circles, as you say.

Also, in my post I said that Germany is undergoing "a bit" of a tennis crisis. I really meant to say "big" crisis.

CyBorg
05-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Fed will never be the most popular player because he has a boring personality, and his snooty Rolex and NetJets and murse-wearing image doesn't transfer to the average Joe on the street.

EWWW, the name "Rogie" make me sick, but it fits him perfectly.

There was an article on this not too long ago, I think. Slamming Federer for being a hollow, elitist personality.

Not his fault, IMO. The advertisers don't really know what to do with him, though.

This was mentioned in the context of a persistent irony in today's game. The narrative we embrace is that tennis was once an elitist game that is now becoming "everyone's" game.

Well, that was true in the 1970s. Now tennis is catering to that same old elitism again, with the Rolex shit.

Borg was headband + blond hair. In a nutshell.

barbadosan
05-04-2010, 01:42 AM
There was an article on this not too long ago, I think. Slamming Federer for being a hollow, elitist personality.

Not his fault, IMO. The advertisers don't really know what to do with him, though.

This was mentioned in the context of a persistent irony in today's game. The narrative we embrace is that tennis was once an elitist game that is now becoming "everyone's" game.

Well, that was true in the 1970s. Now tennis is catering to that same old elitism again, with the Rolex shit.

Borg was headband + blond hair. In a nutshell.

This is the same "hollow" person who arranged Hit for Haiti, visited some of the tsunami-stricken areaas after the catastrophe, and more importantly, went BACK the next year after the world's attention had long moved on?

DualMedia
05-04-2010, 01:56 AM
no, VErdasco is! my friends who dont even watch tennis know him by his sexy body!

octatennis
05-04-2010, 01:58 AM
agassi is the most popular tennis player ever, ask anyone who does not give a shit about the game and they will say agassi.

CyBorg
05-04-2010, 02:03 AM
This is the same "hollow" person who arranged Hit for Haiti, visited some of the tsunami-stricken areaas after the catastrophe, and more importantly, went BACK the next year after the world's attention had long moved on?

I'm talking about perception, rather than Roger himself. I believe that most people are interesting and complex in their own way.

star
05-04-2010, 02:09 AM
Whether he's the GOAT is debatable but I think it's safe to say that he's the most popular at this point.
In most of the places he goes he's the crowd fave and even in his practices he has many fans watching him. I was just reading that today he had to be escorted by 4 security guards just to get in time to his practice session in Estoril. That's just crazy, imo.

Do you attend tennis tournaments?

Nadal is the same at tennis tournaments. The practice court area is jammed with spectators. I've seen him with 6 security guys around him to and from practice sessions. There's a video of the crowd going nuts and people being knocked down trying to get to him. Federer is also very popular. I don't know about the number of security, but it doesn't matter. He has big crowds watching his practices. Djokovic also draws quite a crowd. Roddick probably a little less -- even in the U.S. Anyway, I think this is quite common for the players at the top. I've seen it with Sampras and Agassi too. The women, strangely, don't seem to draw quite the same frenzied groups.

Arkulari
05-04-2010, 02:13 AM
the most popular ones are Rafa and Roger, no doubt about it, I think the Swiss is a bit more "international" because of his domination of english, but it's a very close call to say which one is more famous, besides those guys careers are so intertwined that it's almost impossible to talk about one without mentioning the other :shrug:

this happened today:

FANS FLOCK TO FEDERER PRACTISE
Estoril, Portugal

World No. 1 Roger Federer's first practise session at the Estoril Open Monday saw hundreds of tennis fans scramble for the best positions among the hedge rows surrounding Court 13.

The World No. 1 was escorted to the court by four security guards and his coach Severin Luthi through 200 excited fans along a gravel path to the court, before training with Portuguese No. 1 Rui Machado in windy conditions.

"Since I had practised with Roger before, two years ago here, this time I wasn't caught off-guard by his demanding style," said World No. 114 Machado. "We practised around 80 minutes, we didn't do anything too specific, it was just a normal pre-tournament practice. Conditions were tough, it was really windy.

"We talked a little bit; Roger asked me how many [ATP] Challengers and [ITF] Futures we had in Portugal. He also asked, 'Where do we usually play Davis Cup matches here in Portugal?' I told him we are going to play the next tie here at the Centralito. He said, 'It's a beautiful court.'"

A tournament record 53,888 spectators attended the Estadio Nacional in 2008, when the Swiss superstar beat Russian Nikolay Davydenko in the final.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/2010/05/Estoril-2010-Preview.aspx

brent-o
05-04-2010, 03:09 AM
Being popular has nothing to do with whether or not people care about your skills. If they know who he is, they know who he is. Obviously if 80 out of 100 people know you, you are more popular than that other guy who is only known by 50 out of 100 people regardless whether or not they love him to death. So I don't see your point by that statement.

Since when does being known equal being popular? I know who Kate Gosselin is, but frankly I think she's an annoying media whore and a bad mother. See how that works?

gulzhan
05-04-2010, 05:40 AM
I don't like him but from what I watch at tournaments, I think, he is the most popular, yes.

duong
05-04-2010, 06:51 AM
Tennis has gone up in popularity in some countries, but the US is a huge country. But so is Australia. Some powerhouse countries like Sweden also face a decline in interest.

well Australia is a small country in population. So is Sweden.

Germany is undergoing a bit of a tennis crisis. India can't possibly be doing better than it was.

Tennis became popular in Germany with Becker, it was after Borg, McEnroe and Connors.

But India is a big country, that's for sure :lol:

Today tennis is probably far more popular in Spain, and people start knowing about it in China, in the 70s nobody cared about that in China :lol:

Anyway, when you look at the fields of players especially among youngsters, tennis is more international than it's ever been.

duong
05-04-2010, 06:55 AM
The narrative we embrace is that tennis was once an elitist game that is now becoming "everyone's" game.

Well, that was true in the 1970s. Now tennis is catering to that same old elitism again, with the Rolex shit.

Borg was headband + blond hair. In a nutshell.

in the 70s tennis in France was for sure a matter of the elites, very snub. Today it makes the headlines when there's no football :lol:

As for India, one can say for sure it was a matter of the elites :lol:

RedFury
05-04-2010, 07:11 AM
Nadal by far. Most marketable in the mainstream and as already mentioned, likely the best known player by non-tennis fans.

His game/image/personality are a marketer's dream. Just do it. Ask Nike.

Roamed
05-04-2010, 07:35 AM
I think he probably is the most popular right now, as others have to some extent dropped off in popularity and recognition since they've stopped playing. 'Who's the most popular ever' is probably impossible to say. As the sport's expanded globally I'd say, discounting America, he's more well known globally than most. I mean his Facebook page has people from all countries on it, lots of fans too. Facebook probably isn't really a definitive indicator though.

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 07:38 AM
Not sure he's even the most popular tennis player in Switzerland...

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 07:39 AM
Nadal by far. Most marketable in the mainstream and as already mentioned, likely the best known player by non-tennis fans.

His game/image/personality are a marketer's dream. Just do it. Ask Nike.

:haha: gotta love our Spanish fanboys :haha:

Sunset of Age
05-04-2010, 07:43 AM
:worship: to the OP, for starting perhaps one of the most :retard: theads on MTF EVAH.

Brilliant.

NQQdsKH3Qt8

King!

And please get that silly who invented the nick 'Rogie' BANNED, along with the same retard responsible for 'Rafi'. :o

alter ego
05-04-2010, 07:45 AM
Nadal by far. Most marketable in the mainstream and as already mentioned, likely the best known player by non-tennis fans.

His game/image/personality are a marketer's dream. Just do it. Ask Nike.

Sure, his ability to speak in english is also a "marketer's dream,no ?" :lol:

BlueSwan
05-04-2010, 07:47 AM
In terms of general popularity amongst tennis fans and the general public I think it's between Borg, Agassi and Federer. In terms of admiration then Federer is head and shoulders above everyone else, probably with McEnroe a very distant second.

Castafiore
05-04-2010, 08:04 AM
Ever?

It's very hard to compare popularity mainly because there was no internet, no message boards when Borg, McEnroe, Laver,...played so there were less fanbase parties and fanbase clashes, less opportunity to discuss every single word they utter and every single move they make.

And please get that silly who invented the nick 'Rogie' BANNED, along with the same retard responsible for 'Rafi'.
Banned? :scratch: Those are not exactly the worst nicknames for both players.

Why do you find it okay to write "Rafke" like I've seen you do but you somehow see offence in "Rogie" and "Rafi"? Not that I'm expecting a reply but still, I'm slightly curious about this.

Sunset of Age
05-04-2010, 08:38 AM
Why do you find it okay to write "Rafke" like I've seen you do but you somehow see offence in "Rogie" and "Rafi"? Not that I'm expecting a reply but still, I'm slightly curious about this.

There is a difference between my personal nicks for my fav players and what I see elsewhere everywhere around.
Funny how you seem to trace everything I post. Obsessed, much?

Castafiore
05-04-2010, 08:46 AM
There is a difference between my personal nicks for my fav players and what I see elsewhere everywhere around.
I don't see the difference. Rogie and Rafi, I can understand that those are not your personal favorites but reason for a ban? There are a lot more worse nicknames floating around.

Funny how you seem to trace everything I post. Obsessed, much?
:lol: Hardly.

Don't flatter yourself, dear. If you don't want people to respond unless they're smooshing up to you, don't post on a forum.

MariaV
05-04-2010, 09:35 AM
Not sure he's even the most popular tennis player in Switzerland...

:rolleyes: Or are you being sarcastic too? :D :kiss:

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 09:40 AM
:rolleyes: Or are you being sarcastic too? :D :kiss:

No I am not :shrug: he's got his fair share of jealous haters over here too, I guess most of us are not that patriotic and wouldn't love people only over their nationalities :shrug: :o

MariaV
05-04-2010, 09:43 AM
No I am not :shrug: he's got his fair share of jealous haters over here too, I guess most of us are not that patriotic and wouldn't love people only over their nationalities :shrug: :o

Ummm so who do you think is the most popular tennis player in Switzerland?

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 09:46 AM
Ummm so who do you think is the most popular tennis player in Switzerland?

Out of the current players it certainly is Roger, but overall, I think Borg and McEnroe are better known. I even think in the French speaking regions Rosset is more popular than Fed :tape: :o

MariaV
05-04-2010, 10:04 AM
Out of the current players it certainly is Roger, but overall, I think Borg and McEnroe are better known. I even think in the French speaking regions Rosset is more popular than Fed :tape: :o

Whatever.... if you say so.
I was expecting the reply "Rosset" from AJ. :o :lol:

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 10:10 AM
Whatever....

Surely you know better than I do... :rolleyes:

JolánGagó
05-04-2010, 10:18 AM
Rogie is the most popular super-human being ever to walk planet Earth, then came Jesus, Buda, Muhamad and Mirka.

stebs
05-04-2010, 10:38 AM
The sport is more global than it ever has been with markets opening up in the very populous areas of Asia which drastically affect this kind of discussion. For that reason, whichever player is most popular now (I think it probably is Federer) is bound to be the most popular ever. It's simple mathematics. Slightly shrunk markets in European nations and even a disinterested USA cannot match up to a Federer loving Asia in terms of numbers. Not a relevant statistic by any means.

MariaV
05-04-2010, 10:44 AM
Surely you know better than I do... :rolleyes:

Jeeez, I'm not doubting you here, you live in the Switzerland after all. :shrug: :kiss: Just that Federer, the most talented and greatest tennis player ever still not as popular as Borg or McEnroe in his own country? But as I already said - if you say so who am I to doubt you. :kiss:

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 10:46 AM
Just that Federer, the most talented and greatest tennis player ever still not as popular as Borg or McEnroe in his own country?

He's the most hated on here too (as an avid hater you should know this :angel:) :shrug: I guess success draws jealousy and hatred everywhere, not only on MTF :shrug:

MariaV
05-04-2010, 10:53 AM
He's the most hated on here too (as an avid hater you should know this :angel:) :shrug: I guess success draws jealousy and hatred everywhere, not only on MTF :shrug:

MEGA:rolleyes: I am NOT a hater, geez! :rolleyes:
WOW, how can be hated? :eek: I mean I am not his tardish fan I admit and I may make a bad joke about him occasionally but I don't hate him (can you believe it ;)) because I have no reason to and I don't know him well enough. I didn't know the Swiss are so jealous and hateful people. :o The Swiss should be proud of him.

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 10:56 AM
I didn't know the Swiss are so jealous and hateful people. :o

There's room between being over nationalistic (such as many other countries) and being jealous and hateful... :rolleyes:

MariaV
05-04-2010, 11:02 AM
There's room between being over nationalistic (such as many other countries) and being jealous and hateful... :rolleyes:

:shrug: :rolleyes: YOU said it:
He's the most hated on here too (as an avid hater you should know this :angel:) :shrug: I guess success draws jealousy and hatred everywhere, not only on MTF :shrug:

And what has overly nationalistic to do with what I said? To be proud of him doesn't mean being overly nationalistic. But you said he was hated. :shrug:
I was just wondering how the Swiss can hate him and said I didn't know the Swiss were so hateful.

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 11:05 AM
:shrug: :rolleyes: YOU said it:


And what has overly nationalistic to do with what I said? To be proud of him doesn't mean being overly nationalistic. But you said he was hated. :shrug:

:rolleyes: I said he was hated by some in SUI as well as he's hated on here, I didn't say every Swiss hates him :cuckoo: :silly:

For sure some would cheer for the sports version of Hitler if it happened the guy was coming from the same country... That's being overly nationalist :rolleyes: :o

MariaV
05-04-2010, 11:11 AM
:rolleyes: I said he was hated by some in SUI as well as he's hated on here, I didn't say every Swiss hates him :cuckoo: :silly:


You said

He's the most hated on here too (as an avid hater you should know this :angel:) :shrug: I guess success draws jealousy and hatred everywhere, not only on MTF :shrug:

not hated by some. :shrug: :kiss: :rolleyes: And why bring Hitler into here? :scratch:
But OK I get what you want to say so we can put a rest to that discussion here. :wavey:

Oh and here (meaning MTF) you whine that Roger is the most hated player but that's not the topic here so...

JuliC
05-04-2010, 11:24 AM
The sport is more global than it ever has been with markets opening up in the very populous areas of Asia which drastically affect this kind of discussion. For that reason, whichever player is most popular now (I think it probably is Federer) is bound to be the most popular ever. It's simple mathematics. Slightly shrunk markets in European nations and even a disinterested USA cannot match up to a Federer loving Asia in terms of numbers. Not a relevant statistic by any means.

Agree, but I think you should wait until he's retired to answer this question.

FedFan
05-04-2010, 11:30 AM
He's the most hated on here too (as an avid hater you should know this :angel:) :shrug: I guess success draws jealousy and hatred everywhere, not only on MTF :shrug:

Roger hated in Switzerland? You can not be serious.

He is one if not the most loved athlete here.

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 11:39 AM
Roger hated in Switzerland? You can not be serious.

He is one if not the most loved athlete here.

He is loved as well, granted, but there are people that dislike him too, and you can even spot it sometimes in the media... :o

JolánGagó
05-04-2010, 11:46 AM
He is loved as well, granted, but there are people that dislike him too, and you can even spot it sometimes in the media... :o

I kindly urge you to text him an apology in the name of the Swiss nation :o

MariaV
05-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Roger hated in Switzerland? You can not be serious.

He is one if not the most loved athlete here.

JM is spewing :bs: as usual.
I rather take your word over his. :wavey:

bokehlicious
05-04-2010, 12:10 PM
JM is spewing :bs: as usual.


That's how I feel it :shrug: but as usual it's gotta be bs :rolleyes: :zzz:

Commander Data
05-04-2010, 12:22 PM
That's how I feel it :shrug: but as usual it's gotta be bs :rolleyes: :zzz:

He has some haters here too but to say that JMac is more popular is BS.

MariaV
05-04-2010, 12:56 PM
Finally some reasonable Swiss people here talking sense. :D I knew JM was lying to me as usual.
Thanks, Commander Data. :hatoff:

Ububub
05-04-2010, 01:02 PM
Looks like there are a lot of tennis newbies on this forum. Today we all know John McEnroe because of his 20+ years as a commentator on tennis, which has added to his his now statesman-like persona. When McEnroe came up for hall of fame voting, there was talk of his not making it in right away because of how intensely disliked he was. Casual fans liked him because his attitude was untennis-like, and reminiscent of sportsmen from their other sports, (American) football, basketball and baseball.

And likewise with Andre Agassi, he was popular with casual fans because he was flashy and brash. But he didn't start earning the respect of true tennis fans until the latter stages of his career.

gjr
05-04-2010, 01:46 PM
As has been stated above due to the way the World is now the sheer numbers must be Federer.

But when I was a kid growing up in the 70's for 2 weeks of the year there was a God. His name was Borg and still is probably the most popular player to ever play at Wimbledon.

Sophocles
05-04-2010, 02:02 PM
Among tennis fans he clearly has the biggest fan-base. Casual sports fans I know generally enjoy his game and admire him as a dominant athlete, but they have barely heard of any players apart from Fed, Nadal, Roddick, Murray, & Djokovic. In the English-speaking world, tennis was bigger in the early '80s, and the most popular players were Borg, Mac, & Connors, though as has been said, they had plenty of haters.

siddy
05-04-2010, 03:35 PM
I think he's definitely more popular than any other tennis player I've seen in my lifetime. Although based on what I've read, Borg was almost rock-star level popular. So maybe him.

Corey Feldman
05-04-2010, 03:37 PM
hard to compare era's for this too

imo the most famous player ever has to be Johnny Mac followed by Agassi

duong
05-04-2010, 04:34 PM
But when I was a kid growing up in the 70's for 2 weeks of the year there was a God. His name was Borg and still is probably the most popular player to ever play at Wimbledon.

From what I remember (rather final years of Borg's era to say the truth), Borg was highly respected in France, but he was also considered as "dull".

Remember that the clay grand slam is played in France and a Borg-Vilas match in Roland-Garros didn't make much for tennis popularity :lol:

He was a kind of a "living God" ("Ice Borg"), but more like an adults' star than a "rock star". You should also consider that in France in that time, tennis was still a sport for a certain "bourgeoise elite" of the society.

I remember Borg-Pecci Roland-Garros in 1979 : Pecci was more intriguing and "popular" for people ;)

People were a little bit fed-up with Borg to say the truth :lol:

Even the young and skinny Lendl in the 1981 final was quite supported against Borg (quite funny by the way is that Lendl was also supported against McEnroe in 1984 because McEnroe was so controversial :lol: ... but still now in France, people wish McEnroe had won that match :lol: )

McEnroe and also Connors had that controversial dimension which interested people ; Connors was also quite considered as a "smiling" pleasant person whom the French were happy to see in Roland-Garros as he had not taken part in the tournament during his prime ; also because once he came to Roland-Garros he was very often in the semifinal, and he often played with the public. Only later I learnt how horrible he has been sometimes in his carreer :lol:

When McEnroe came up for hall of fame voting, there was talk of his not making it in right away because of how intensely disliked he was. Casual fans liked him because his attitude was untennis-like, and reminiscent of sportsmen from their other sports, (American) football, basketball and baseball.

And likewise with Andre Agassi, he was popular with casual fans because he was flashy and brash. But he didn't start earning the respect of true tennis fans until the latter stages of his career.

yes it's true in a way, but controversy also contributes a big part to the myth and popularity :shrug:

Agassi also had a controversial part, which probably also played a role in his popularity, but it was far less than McEnroe.

andy neyer
05-04-2010, 06:09 PM
:worship: to the OP, for starting perhaps one of the most :retard: theads on MTF EVAH.

Brilliant.

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King!

And please get that silly who invented the nick 'Rogie' BANNED, along with the same retard responsible for 'Rafi'. :o

Do you have a problem with me just because I haven't agreed with all of your points in other threads?

Maybe you should keep rooting for Federer, the number 1, and then for Nadal when he gets to number 1 again and then, once Feddie and Nadull are done you should root for the new number 1, whoever he happens to be :)

Maybe we should get glory hunters banned.

Persimmon
05-04-2010, 10:17 PM
Yes.

JuliC
05-04-2010, 10:47 PM
hard to compare era's for this too

imo the most famous player ever has to be Johnny Mac followed by Agassi

But famous isn't the same as popular ;)

wackykid
05-05-2010, 09:37 AM
3.4 million facebook users say yes...


regards,
wacky

Castafiore
05-05-2010, 09:48 AM
3.4 million facebook users say yes...
That goes to show how popular he is today but how do you compare that with the popularity of players who played in a time without the internet?

Art&Soul
05-05-2010, 10:02 AM
Yes, surely, he is the most popular among fans and his fellow players. 2005-2010 Fan's Favourite award and Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award says it all.

ChuckNorrisFan
05-05-2010, 10:15 AM
is Rogie the worst player nickname ever?

Castafiore
05-05-2010, 10:38 AM
is Rogie the worst player nickname ever?
Only if you lack imagination. ;)

JolánGagó
05-05-2010, 10:48 AM
is Rogie the worst player nickname ever?

Yours is way worse, tbh.

Commander Data
05-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Yours is way worse, tbh.

:haha:

ChuckNorrisFan
05-05-2010, 11:53 AM
Yours is way worse, tbh.

nah

10is-
05-05-2010, 02:17 PM
is Rogie the worst player nickname ever?

Yes.

Vida
05-05-2010, 03:17 PM
Wodga is more appropriate.

Start da Game
05-05-2010, 03:40 PM
I think No and have voted No for this reason:

Its true that for those that follow Tennis and Roger Federer in particular, Federer is very important to his fans, they are very committed to him.

But in every day walk of life, a lot of people who I work with and people I meet are not that bothered about Roger Federer at all, they see him as a great player and thats about it. A lot of people I meet outside of Tennis tend to prerfer Nadal which is interesting. Besides coming up with the hit for Haiti idea, Federer doesn't really speak on outside issues so the general public will not him in the way of a Navratilova or Arthur Ashe.

I think Andre Agassi is probably the most popular player who had fans outside of the general Tennis fan base due to his larger than life personality.

From what I've seen from 1970s videos, schoolgirls were following Bjorn Borg all over the place like a Rock Star, so he's up there as well. Federer seems to attract more mature ladies from what I can tell.

concurred and let me just add that the media and internet have helped players like fed and rafa immensely to gain more popularity........

the previous generations had attention from all corners of the world but not the same kind of media attention and limelight that today's players get.......but still they were really popular and some maybe even more than today's superstars.......

Pirata.
05-05-2010, 05:53 PM
It depends on where you're from. In the US, casual sports fans know of Roger and maybe Rafa, but in general, neither of them are very well know here. I imagine in Europe, they are pretty popular, but I still think the previous generation of players (Sampras, Agassi, McEnroe, Borg) were more popular.

siloe26
05-05-2010, 08:33 PM
No, he's not. He's very famous because of his achievements, but it doesn't go out of the tennis world. Nadal is much more popular outside of it. And other players before him (Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi). That's the "problem" with Federer, actually. His charisma and/or persona are not the best ones to drain new fans to tennis.

Vida
05-05-2010, 08:46 PM
No, he's not. He's very famous because of his achievements, but it doesn't go out of the tennis world. Nadal is much more popular outside of it. And other players before him (Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi). That's the "problem" with Federer, actually. His charisma and/or persona are not the best ones to drain new fans to tennis.

if his persona was more attractive to casual fan, he would hardly be as successful as he is. I reckon those two are related.

Vida
05-05-2010, 08:48 PM
'federer attracts more mature ladies' is very true.

siloe26
05-05-2010, 09:08 PM
if his persona was more attractive to casual fan, he would hardly be as successful as he is. I reckon those two are related.

I'm not sure about this. Nadal's popularity has never prevented him from achieving many things. He achieves less than Federer because he doesn't have the same easy tennis. But his dedication is total and wouldn't be better if he was not so popular.

a_boy
05-05-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm not sure he is the most popular ever in terms of sheer number of fans, but I think he may be the most well liked player ever among people who do follow tennis. If that makes sense? I would argue that outside of internet forums, you don't get a lot of hate towards Federer. Nearly everyone seems to like him, even if he isn't their favourite.

It's become a big cliche with those TV commentators, where they say that it's impossible to dislike Federer if you're a fan of tennis. I think that's going a bit too far, but there's some truth in that. It's not impossible, as we see on these boards :P but it's at least quite difficult to dislike him. He never upset anyone like McEnroe (or Tiger Woods), he's not a robot like Borg or Sampras and when he isn't shanking it up in 2010, he plays a great game for the spectator.

oranges
05-05-2010, 10:01 PM
I'm not sure he is the most popular ever in terms of sheer number of fans, but I think he may be the most well liked player ever among people who do follow tennis. If that makes sense? I would argue that outside of internet forums, you don't get a lot of hate towards Federer. Nearly everyone seems to like him, even if he isn't their favourite.

It's become a big cliche with those TV commentators, where they say that it's impossible to dislike Federer if you're a fan of tennis. I think that's going a bit too far, but there's some truth in that. It's not impossible, as we see on these boards :P but it's at least quite difficult to dislike him. He never upset anyone like McEnroe (or Tiger Woods), he's not a robot like Borg or Sampras and when he isn't shanking it up in 2010, he plays a great game for the spectator.

What are you talking about? A lot of people do not like Federer at all and I don't mean fanboys of another player for their petty reasons. He's miles away from being universally likable guy, like Edberg or Rafter, for instance .

ad-out
05-05-2010, 10:17 PM
Honestly I don't think Fed is very personable at all. :shrug:

Pirata.
05-06-2010, 01:04 AM
No, he's not. He's very famous because of his achievements, but it doesn't go out of the tennis world. Nadal is much more popular outside of it. And other players before him (Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi). That's the "problem" with Federer, actually. His charisma and/or persona are not the best ones to drain new fans to tennis.

Actually, I think Roger and Rafa are equally popular to casual fans. You always see adults wearing RF gear and kids wearing Rafa clothes. There are plenty of people who became fans of tennis because of Roger just as there are people who became fans because of Rafa. I don't see why it needs to be a competition. If they can draw fans, it really shouldn't matter if they're casual fans or dedicated fans.

Obviously, Roger and Rafa fill stadiums wherever they go, so making it into some competition about who has more fans or who is more popular is a moot point, imo.

SetSampras
05-06-2010, 01:16 AM
Ehh..... Probably Agassi or Nadal maybe Borg.


Sampras' wasn't very popular.. Maybe the LEAST popular of all the all time greats. He didn't even stay in NYC when the USO was going on. He was introvert and wasn't a hollywood socialite like Agassi was.

TheConsigliere
05-06-2010, 03:17 AM
Here in Australia, my impression is that Roger is very popular. He seems to enjoy crowd support here in pretty much all his matches, even against Aussies he would rival them in support. I have noticed a lot of people who don't follow tennis or follow it only very casually who really like him.

(Of course it baffles me why this is so. His tennis skills aside, he doesn't strike me as having an interesting personality, he has definite signs of arrogance and elitist traits, and his sportsmanship is highly questionable)

Puschkin
05-06-2010, 06:56 AM
hard to compare era's for this
but I feel it was Borg. During his prime even non-tennis fans knew who he was, this is not the case anymore for Roger or Rafa or whomever. But tennis has lost its popularity on TV considerably since the Borg-era in my part of the world.

Sunset of Age
05-06-2010, 07:00 AM
Who TF cares. Yes, he is a legend.
Most popular? Depends if you judge on 'idols'-notes or on actual achievements/records.

At all tournaments I attended, I might well say he's quite popular, yes.

This thread = :help:

MatchFederer
05-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Fiery.

NADALbULLS
05-06-2010, 09:59 AM
Mac and the Williams sisters, Kournikova and Agassi are the 5 most popular.

Quakes
05-06-2010, 10:02 AM
If you define popularity of a player as the number of people who have heard of him, then you are placing astronomical bias in favor of players from later eras, especially post-1990, because of the explosive growth of mass media.

And I'm gonna exclude women players here because the fact remains that women's tennis got watched by much less people than men's tennis.

That leaves you very few choices: Federer, Nadal, Agassi, Sampras.

I would argue that close to no one who knows Nadal does not know Federer, because the Federer is the greatest testimony to Nadal's greatness.

However, there are millions of people in the world who knows Federer but not Nadal. These are marginal tennis 'fans'. They only know one tennis player. Vaguely. Someone called 'Federaler'. Because he's number one. In the world. Or something.

Agassi and Sampras probably have similar number of people who know them from their tennis, because of their great, not-lopsided rivalry. Beyond tennis though, Agassi wins by a mile.

So it's Agassi vs. Federer. It boils down to how many more people's attention has Agassi gained from his off-court shenanigans. To arrive at your own answer, consider for example a few questions:

(1) How many people know Brooke Shields? Of those people, how big a proportion knows Andre was her husband?

(2) How many Barbara Streisand fans can name all her flings? How many knows Andre was one of her flings?

(3) How many Graf fans are loyal enough to follow her after retirement? Of these, how many has never heard of Agassi before they got married?

(4) Would you read the memoir of a retired sportsman whom you never watched when he played? Would you read it if he took meth and lied about it?

My conclusion here is that Andre's shenanigans added as much to his fame as the second from left lash on his right eye.

:cool:

wackykid
05-06-2010, 10:45 AM
i don't supposed "popularity" equates to "fame" ... being famous (or infamous) doesn't mean you are popular... i'm pretty sure there are more ppl who heard of osama bin laden than agassi or federer.... it doesn't make osama more "popular" than federer/agassi... :o

but of cos if you are to define the context of "popularity" in this way then yes osama is more "popular" than federer/agassi *by this definition*...


regards,
wacky

nanoman
05-06-2010, 11:32 AM
No, he's not. He's very famous because of his achievements, but it doesn't go out of the tennis world. Nadal is much more popular outside of it. And other players before him (Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Agassi). That's the "problem" with Federer, actually. His charisma and/or persona are not the best ones to drain new fans to tennis.

Any evidence to back up your claim. Preferably not anecdotical.

JolánGagó
05-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Define popular.

Ububub
05-06-2010, 12:34 PM
I must have a faulty memory. Several responses on here talk of Borg's contemporaneous popularity. I've been watching tennis since 1972 (age 12) and during that time, which coincided with Borg's precocious rise to fame, to his sudden retirement in 1981 - I don't think I ever heard him string 3 sentences together ever! During that time I would have been hard-pressed to identify his voice in an audio line-up.

Following his retirement, Borg did not seek publicity and shunned the spotlight. He stayed away from tennis, and when you did hear about him, it was for his marital and financial problems. For the following 20 years, talk of Borg was almost non-existent, until his stats began to be approached or equaled, and then a new generation of tennis fans could appreciate his abilities

Bjorn Borg was my favorite player, because of his stoic no-nonsense playing style. And this admiration for him has translated into my subsequent admiration for Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Sampras and Federer, none the flashiest of players.

MacTheKnife
05-06-2010, 01:07 PM
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Vida
05-06-2010, 02:00 PM
here in serbia, it is my impression that not only is he very popular, as almost everyone knows who he is, but he is (I guess) a bit controversial. its because many people who are fans of djokovic take that roger wasnt really fair to novak on occasion or two on one hand, and on the other - there are lots of die hearth fed fans here, who are partly such as a sort of reaction to local djoko-worship.

Filo V.
05-06-2010, 02:07 PM
Can't really answer this question. It's more of a statement then a question anyway.

enrico
05-07-2010, 09:20 AM
No I am not :shrug: he's got his fair share of jealous haters over here too, I guess most of us are not that patriotic and wouldn't love people only over their nationalities :shrug: :o
Out of the current players it certainly is Roger, but overall, I think Borg and McEnroe are better known. I even think in the French speaking regions Rosset is more popular than Fed :tape: :o

As a Swiss fellowman I think you're right that Swiss people are perhaps less patriotic than other nations. In a sense that they look at famous Swiss personalities in a much more sceptical way. They treat famous people not as "Gods" and if their behaviour for example looks to them arrogant or not down to earth, the Swiss public does not hesitate to critize or even hate them. For example despite her success Hingis was not really liked (let alone loved) in Switzerland. A lot of people did not like her acting on (Paris ...) and off court (arrogant statements/behaviour).

But with Federer it seems quite different. Sure there are always people who just hate famous people because of jealousy. And there are a lot of swiss people, who think that public stars like Federer draw too much attention which the real (unknown) stars in daily life unfortunately do not get (a nice swiss attribute in my opinion). But despite his huge success Federer is still regarded as a humble and down to earth person. Even if he speaks of his special tennis talents (that others find arrogant) people feel that he is just honest and always treats others with respect. For example he did not win the swiss sportsman of the year award two times in the last few years. I think Swiss people know that his performances the last few years are beyond comparision in Switzerland. They just wanted to give others some limelight too (see above). Federer took these losses with grace and without negative feelings, knowing the "Swiss Soul". Furthermore he is a family centered person and does not act like a lot of other stars. No parties, no drugs, no sex stories and his wife is not a supermodel (as a status symbol)... so he does not search the media talk. He acts like a normal person (not just driven by marketing motives like a lot of Hollywood stars) as much as it is possible by his celebrity status.

That's why imho in terms of admiration Federer is reaching new hights in Switzerland. Hights I never thought would be possible here for a person of such public interest.

Therefore I find it quite strange when you suggest that Rosset could be more popular in the french speaking part of Switzerland. Rosset was a much more controversial character than Fed. And because there's no language barrier (Federer is fluent in French and even lived for some years in the french part) they accept him as one of theirs. Never ever Rosset was more popular than Fed.

And Borg and McEnroe are surely not better known than Fed. I suggest that younger people who are not interested in Tennis might have never heard of these tennis greats from the past, but really everybody in Switzerland knows Federer nowadays!

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 09:36 AM
Therefore I find it quite strange, that you suggest that Rosset could be more popular in the french speaking part of Switzerland. Rosset was a much more controversial character than Fed. And because there's no language barrier (Federer is fluent in French and even lived for some years in the french part) they accept him as one of theirs. Never ever Rosset was more popular than Fed.

And Borg and McEnroe are surely not better known than Fed. I suggest that younger people who are not interested in Tennis might have never heard of these tennis greats from the past, but really everybody in Switzerland knows Federer nowadays!

I agree everyone knows Federer here, but that doesn't mean they like or admire him... I feel than many people think the media talk too much about him and get bored so start bashing him... People can't seem to realize that the media talk about him because of his greatness, period. They seem to find it unfair than for example Cancellara or Lambiel get less coverage here... As if their achievements were comparable to Roger's :o

Watch the Swiss sports award for the last years, Roger should have won them all, still they gave it to Lambiel/Luthi/Cuche...

oranges
05-07-2010, 09:46 AM
You have to understand that PA will be very unhappy with anyone who doesn't worship the ground Fed walks on. Haters, all of them, Swiss and otherwise :ras:

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 09:47 AM
You have to understand that PA will be very unhappy with anyone who doesn't worship the ground Fed walks on. Haters, all of them, Swiss and otherwise :ras:

Shut up.

oranges
05-07-2010, 09:51 AM
Shut up.

If only you would :sobbing:

enrico
05-07-2010, 10:04 AM
I agree everyone knows Federer here, but that doesn't mean they like or admire him... I feel than many people think the media talk too much about him and get bored so start bashing him... People can't seem to realize that the media talk about him because of his greatness, period. They seem to find it unfair than for example Cancellara or Lambiel get less coverage here... As if their achievements were comparable to Roger's :o

Watch the Swiss sports award for the last years, Roger should have won them all, still they gave it to Lambiel/Luthi/Cuche...

I edited my initial post. See above.

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 10:17 AM
...For example he did not win the swiss sportsman of the year award two times in the last few years. I think Swiss people know that his performances the last few years are beyond comparision in Switzerland. They just wanted to give others some limelight too (see above).

That's what annoys me about the "Swiss mentality" :o. Those awards are not meant to be dished out to "promising" talents, but to the best Swiss sportsman, and Federer has been the best for almost a decade now.

enrico
05-07-2010, 10:59 AM
That's what annoys me about the "Swiss mentality" :o. Those awards are not meant to be dished out to "promising" talents, but to the best Swiss sportsman, and Federer has been the best for almost a decade now.

That's how it is. Surely Fed should have won all the awards regarding his international achievements (and also the Swiss public knows it) but the "Swiss Soul" finds it unfair, that others don't have a chance. Keep in mind that there's not a sports jury. Everybody can vote at this TV event and among them a lot of mothers ;-)

Lüthy and Cuche had some great performances these years and deserved some respect too. And Fed already won some awards before so they thought it's time for a change. But that does not mean that they don't like Fed. They just find it unfair that always the same guy wins. It is quite possible that he does win the Grand Slam this year and next year won't win the swiss sportsman of the year award.

For me these losses seemed also like a "public character test" for Fed. People wanted to see whether he can take these losses gracefully and with a smile. He surely did and he got even more respect from the people. Fed knows this and that's why he seems to be always very relaxed at the award ceremony.

Tell me a internationally successfull swiss sportsman, who is more respected, admired and loved by the swiss people. I guess you won't find one.

Regarding his degree of popularity you really do not find many negative comments about him. Hingis had triple less popularity and triple more negative comments.

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 11:07 AM
That has nothing to do with being "fair" here, the sports award should go to the most successful sportsman, period.

I get it that that "Swiss soul" is indeed biased, and I am ashamed of it to be honest... Those are the same bitching whenever Roger doesn't commit to the davis cup... He owes nothing to the Swiss, especially when they can't seem able to acknowledge his greatness... We won't have any sportsman coming close to Roger in the next century and people don't seem to realize it...

enrico
05-07-2010, 11:35 AM
That has nothing to do with being "fair" here, the sports award should go to the most successful sportsman, period.

I get it that that "Swiss soul" is indeed biased, and I am ashamed of it to be honest... Those are the same bitching whenever Roger doesn't commit to the davis cup... He owes nothing to the Swiss, especially when they can't seem able to acknowledge his greatness... We won't have any sportsman coming close to Roger in the next century and people don't seem to realize it...

You seem to have a problem with Switzerland I guess;)

There is very little bitching here concerning Rogers absence in Davis Cup as far as I can see. People fully accept Rogers priority to Slams and number 1 status. In other countries he would have much more trouble in this regard I guess.

Fed loves being Swiss and he loves to be treated here not as a godlike superman but as a normal human being. Wherever in the world could a celebrity like him just go out in his hometown not being hunted by tons of wild fans. People here respect privacy, but not hunting Fed does not mean they don't like him. You don't have to change a man into a god to show him respect or to show your love. It's even easier and more natural to show your love like this. True Love between Gods and men is complicated :angel:

Fed is proud to be Swiss. The Swiss are proud he is Swiss and it would be nice if you would be proud to be Swiss as well :wavey:

habibko
05-07-2010, 11:35 AM
is he the most popular tennis player in the world today? yes.

does that mean he is the most popular in history? yes.

is this worth discussing? no.

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 11:40 AM
You seem to have a problem with Switzerland I guess;)

There is very little bitching here concerning Rogers absence in Davis Cup as far as I can see. People fully accept Rogers priority to Slams and number 1 status. In other countries he would have much more trouble in this regard I guess.

Fed loves being Swiss and he loves to be treated here not as a godlike superman but as a normal human being. Wherever in the world could a celebrity like him just go out in his hometown not being hunted by tons of wild fans. People here respect privacy, but not hunting Fed does not mean they don't like him. You don't have to change a man into a god to show him respect or to show your love. It's even easier and more natural to show your love like this. True Love between Gods and men is complicated :angel:

Fed is proud to be Swiss. The Swiss are proud he is Swiss and it would be nice if you would be proud to be Swiss as well :wavey:

Why should I be proud to be Swiss? :confused: Surely I feel blessed to be born here but I don't like that "Swiss soul" (or Suissitude), people take everything for granted, so they can't even appreciate what's being good... That is not the issue though, you find normal that Lambiel got the Swiss sports award over Fed, I don't. I guess we'll agree to disagree ;)

enrico
05-07-2010, 01:28 PM
Why should I be proud to be Swiss? :confused: Surely I feel blessed to be born here but I don't like that "Swiss soul" (or Suissitude), people take everything for granted, so they can't even appreciate what's being good... That is not the issue though, you find normal that Lambiel got the Swiss sports award over Fed, I don't. I guess we'll agree to disagree ;)

As I said this Award Ceremony is a TV Show like the Eurovision Song Contest. Does there always win the best song?:D

You expect too much from this entertainment contest. But: The last 7 years Fed was always among the best 2 (that's a lot of recognition) and he won that trophy 4 times. :worship:
I think, that's more than you can ask for, especially for a sport (Tennis) that was not popular at all before Federer! And where would be the TV entertainment factor when he would have won it all seven times? :rolleyes:

By the way: Stephane Lambiel never won this award :devil:

The winners since 2003:
2003: Roger Federer
2004: Roger Federer
2005: Thomas Lüthy - in my opinion the only "strange" choice. A (handsome) Teenager who won the 125ccm Moto GP Series was definitely the favourite of all the mothers behind the TV screens ;). And perhaps people just wanted another winner
2006: Roger Federer
2007: Roger Federer
2008: Fabian Cancellara - a worthy champion, because undisputable one of the best road cyclers worldwide for years. Feels like a lifetime award.
2009: Didier Cuche - a worthy champion, because undisputable one of the best alpine skiers worldwide for years. Feels like a lifetime award.

2010: Could be the second title for Simon Ammann after 2002, the double-double Olympic ski jumping champion from 2009. Even if Fed gets the Grand Slam in 2009, my money would be on Ammann to win his award, just because Fed already has 4 awards.

In my opinion different winners are not disrespectful to Federer but part of the show. It's not just all about tennis but to worship all sports!

xelena
05-07-2010, 01:34 PM
Rogie is the luckiest no1 player :))

his generation, all of them are just a variety of weak links.
'till nadal everything was just so easy and fun
then the 18y old started beating his ass
then another teen (Nole) beat his ass..
then he started crying..
therefore= Rogie >> a loser

:))

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 01:44 PM
I think, that's more than you can ask for, especially for a sport (Tennis) that was not popular at all before Federer!

I think tennis was at least as popular as figure skating or moto GP over here :o I mean, Hlasek, Rosset and Hingis made it somehow popular in the 90's... :p

MariaV
05-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Why should I be proud to be Swiss? :confused: Surely I feel blessed to be born here but I don't like that "Swiss soul" (or Suissitude), people take everything for granted, so they can't even appreciate what's being good... That is not the issue though, you find normal that Lambiel got the Swiss sports award over Fed, I don't. I guess we'll agree to disagree ;)

Meh, too bad Lambiel didn't get it. :(

enrico
05-07-2010, 03:11 PM
I think tennis was at least as popular as figure skating or moto GP over here :o I mean, Hlasek, Rosset and Hingis made it somehow popular in the 90's... :p

Figure Skating: 0 Award
Moto GP: 1 Award
Tennis: 4 Awards

What's the point?

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 03:19 PM
Figure Skating: 0 Award
Moto GP: 1 Award
Tennis: 4 Awards

What's the point?

Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luthy >> Lambiel

That's the actual point :)

andy neyer
05-07-2010, 03:22 PM
Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luthy >> Lambiel

That's the actual point :)

So you think Feddie should get the award every single year?

I mean I see your point and I agree with it but it's a bit repetitive to give the award to the same person year after year after year...

enrico
05-07-2010, 03:58 PM
Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luthy >> Lambiel

That's the actual point :)

Don't you read my posts?

Just to make it clear:

This Award is not made for Tennis only but to worship all sports (so different sports should be the winner)
This Award is a TV event, that means it should entertain, that means the winner should change
Tennis wasn't as popular as a sport before Federer
Federer won 4 from the last 7 and was 3 times second, that's a lot
Teenager Lüthy won, because all the mothers at home voted for him, so not just sport achievements seem to be relevant (like in Eurovision Song Contest)
Of course Fed is a more successful sportsmen than Lüthi but that's not all that counts in this contest
Lambiel never won this Award

To make a long story short: You mean, that because Fed just won 4 times out of seven, he is not liked by swiss or he does not get the recognition he deserves. And your only argument is this. In my opinion that's laughable!

If you just take the lifetime achievements into account then Federer should win every year till he retires. That seems to be your intention ;)
But then this Award would be laughable ...

bokehlicious
05-07-2010, 04:41 PM
This Award is not made for Tennis only but to worship all sports (so different sports should be the winner)


No, the sports award is supposed to show who was the most successful sportsman of the year, it's not supposed to reward every sport.


This Award is a TV event, that means it should entertain, that means the winner should change


No, that's not entertainment, otherwise call it "which sportsman do you prefer", that should not be about that.


If you just take the lifetime achievements into account then Federer should win every year till he retires. That seems to be your intention ;)
But then this Award would be laughable ...

:rolleyes: I never referred to the lifetime achievements, those awards are held every year for a reason, to reward the best sportsman of the year.


If for you it's fine to give it to journeymen, maybe they'll give it to Alexander Frei this year :o :haha:

enrico
05-08-2010, 10:59 AM
No, the sports award is supposed to show who was the most successful sportsman of the year, it's not supposed to reward every sport.

No, that's not entertainment, otherwise call it "which sportsman do you prefer", that should not be about that.

:rolleyes: I never referred to the lifetime achievements, those awards are held every year for a reason, to reward the best sportsman of the year.

If for you it's fine to give it to journeymen, maybe they'll give it to Alexander Frei this year :o :haha:


Let's stop this Blabla... about this Award. We agree to disagree!

What just bothers me is that you dare to be a Swiss Spokesman telling Non-Swiss people some so-called facts about public opinion in Switzerland that in my view are not at all the case!!!

You say: Federer does not get the recognition he deserves in Switzerland!
Your only argument to punctuate this statement is, because Fed just won this Award 4 times out of seven (and 3 times second) he is not liked by swiss or he does not get the recognition he deserves. In my opinion that's laughable! Give me some more arguments!!!

I say: When I watch television, listen to radio and read the newspapers I truly get the impression that Federer is the most admired, beloved and respected sportsman in Switzerland nowadays and perhaps ever!!! Hingis for example had triple less popularity and triple more negative comments. Most People are fully aware that Federer is likely the greatest sportsman this small country has ever produced (or might will ever produce). If you think other sportsmen are more admired, beloved and respected, then you have to give me some names!!! When you're not able to, then your statement looks like trolling to me.

You say: Swiss are bitching because Fed doesn't commit to the davis cup!
Arguments, facts (articles...) please!!!

I say: There is very little bitching here concerning Rogers absence in Davis Cup as far as I can see. People fully accept Rogers priority commitment to Slams and number 1 status. In other countries he would have much more trouble in this regard I guess.

bokehlicious
05-08-2010, 11:03 AM
Enrico, I guess you don't live where I live and you get another feeling, fair enough, let's stop it here. Your arguments basically aren't backed up either, merely describing your feelings... I didn't insult you so please try to behave too :o

enrico
05-08-2010, 12:31 PM
Enrico, I guess you don't live where I live and you get another feeling, fair enough, let's stop it here. Your arguments basically aren't backed up either, merely describing your feelings... I didn't insult you so please try to behave too :o

The point is that I could back it up if I would go searching, I'm quite sure. You instead would have problems to back up your statements! You really want to play this game?

Just one thing. As you surlely know "Blick" (comparable to Englands "sun") is the most important yellow press newspaper in Switzerland. Normally they don't hesitate to criticize famous swiss people but you will have problems finding just one negative article about Federer. They simply don't dare to criticize him ...

I didn't insult you either, I just have a problem that you declared your opinion of the swiss public opinion as a fact. You stated yourself as a (self declared) swiss spokesman. I'm neither but your statements started this conversation. Some reservation in your overhasty statements about the composure of Switzerland towards Federer would be helpful.

Vida
05-08-2010, 01:15 PM
enrico, P.A.'s love for federer has very deep roots, well deep into subconsciousness. there is no argument with him about it cause he is in man-love with him. :shrug:

recessional
05-08-2010, 02:44 PM
Federer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luthy >> Lambiel

That's the actual point :)

lambiel :hearts: :awww:

enrico
05-08-2010, 08:59 PM
enrico, P.A.'s love for federer has very deep roots, well deep into subconsciousness. there is no argument with him about it cause he is in man-love with him. :shrug:

There's always hope ... ;)

I must say I'm a Fed fan as well but to put him in a godlike status like some tend to do is quite unfamiliar to me ... as for most swiss people I guess. Swiss people really adore and love him but typically they don't fall on their knees when they see him in the streets. Perhaps they smile and congratulate him for the last victory or wish him luck but they treat him quite ordinary, knowing that his results on the Tennis Court are unmatched but knowing also, that his results on the toilet are the same as everybody's on this planet.

If some want to express their feelings for Federer in another way, I have no problem with that, but if they blame other Swiss people when they don't share the same (teenagelike) comprehension of love and adoration, that cries for an answer.

FEDERERBEAUTY
05-08-2010, 09:27 PM
It's difficult to say who is the most popular player ever. Fame and popularity seem to be interchangeable on this thread.

On both counts I think Roger is obviously up there in the running as a contender alongside Borg, Agassi and McEnroe. These 4 are head and shoulders above the others with possibly Becker an honourable mention in fame terms.
McEnroe transcended the game as a personality because of his antics and while many disliked him for this, he was simultaenously hugely popular. I've never scenes of hysteria for a player like I did at Wimbledon for Mac at the height of his fame. I've read articles too about the frenzy Borg caused among young females in the early days when he was the fresh, blonde pin-up.

Although I like Nadal, I think to suggest he is better known than Federer outside tennis is just absurd. People who know nothing about tennis register Federer's name because of his achievements, they haven't a clue who Nadal is.

NADALbULLS
05-09-2010, 05:59 AM
Most Americans either haven't heard of Federer or have heard the name but don't know who it is.

bokehlicious
05-09-2010, 09:43 AM
I didn't insult you either, I just have a problem that you declared your opinion of the swiss public opinion as a fact. You stated yourself as a (self declared) swiss spokesman. I'm neither but your statements started this conversation. Some reservation in your overhasty statements about the composure of Switzerland towards Federer would be helpful.

:retard: where did I claim to be Switzerland's spokesman? :scratch: I merely stated my feelings, as you stated yours... Let me guess, you must be from Zurich to be so patronizing... :zzz:

Commander Data
05-09-2010, 10:45 AM
That's what annoys me about the "Swiss mentality" :o. Those awards are not meant to be dished out to "promising" talents, but to the best Swiss sportsman, and Federer has been the best for almost a decade now.

Michael Jordan (the best player of all time) got the award for best player only five times. It is normal that the best does not always get the award, whether you like it or not.

enrico
05-09-2010, 11:28 AM
:retard: where did I claim to be Switzerland's spokesman? :scratch: I merely stated my feelings, as you stated yours... Let me guess, you must be from Zurich to be so patronizing... :zzz:

As always, far away from hitting the right spot ;)

homogenius
05-09-2010, 01:22 PM
no