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samanosuke
05-01-2010, 04:59 PM
Nadal was on ropes but Gulbis didn't take offered . In finish of third set Nadal was very nervous and passive , surely had in subconscious last close matches that he lost and Gulbis had the match in his hands but it was very expected to finish like that . Shame that head isn't Gulbis's strong part

azinna
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Super strong stuff from Rafa at the end, lots to admire, mentally.
Gulbis has certainly matured over the past half year. Though he did overly live-and-die by those drop shots

LocoPorElTenis
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
This is tennis.

raahaat7
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Vamos Rafa:)

asmazif
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
such an undeserved victory.

william_renshaw
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Congratulations, You Posted The First Thread. You Deserve A Medal. What A Sad Little Man You Are.

moon language
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Epic!

Fiberlight1
05-01-2010, 05:00 PM
great stuff from both.. Brilliant moments with some bad drop shots by Gulbis..

Nadal played passively but, good test from Gulbis.

Jomp1
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
lol Rafa played his best tennis of the set in the last game, hardly choke. Good match from Gulbis.

Roamed
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Gulbis has made mental progress but I think he really didn't like serving second. Oh well, Rafa into the final, expected.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

philosophicalarf
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Same story as end of Fed and Volandri matches, Gulbis lost his head at the critical moment. Unlike those two, Nadal didn't gift the match away.

Gulbis should have had double bp on the Nadal serve at the end, then totally blew his serve and the match with two woeful dropshots and two poor errors.

Such a shame. Awesome serving display though.

Deivid23
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Pathetic display from both, really

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Does this mean that Roger was not playing that bad after all? haha. I like Goldfish but he should have won this match against a has been

Fiberlight1
05-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

Hawkeye too right?

Commander Data
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Gulbis reminds me of Safin.

Lopez
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Gulbis had Nadal but couldn't handle the pressure. Stupid dropshots cost him.

Rock Solid stuff from Nadal and clearly his mental toughness is being restored :yeah:.

Had Nadal lost this one, he would've been injured again, no doubt :p

Voo de Mar
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Good match by Gulbis, his best this week :yeah: I hope he'll maintain today's form for the further part of the season.

Knotty Fort
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

Erm even Hawkeye showed it's out. Did you not see that?

Priam
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Exciting match. Gulbis served out of his mind!

Fedexex
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
ughhh pusher wins again:(

Ernie:sad::hug:

shadows
05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Rafa looked one dimensional today imo.

Good match though, great effort from Ernie, he just threw it away with UE's and stupid shot selection at the end.

tennishero
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
the better player lost... gulbis couldnt take his chances with bad shot selections at crucial times.

shame delpo isnt playing, he would destroy the moonballer.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Nadal was awful today, even worse than against Hanescu and Wawrinka. Gulbis actually played great tennis and could have won.

Nadal was atrocious for his standard and could not do anything right in that match. It's very bad news for him to see that his level of MC is now totally gone. He is back to his end of last year level.

Is he injured again? That's very very worrying.

Pirata.
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Great from Ernie. He won more games than everyone in Monte Carlo combined. He has something to be proud of going into Madrid and Roland Garros.

born_on_clay
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Horrible match from Rafa
Too pasive

But the result is good - he definetely needed a close win !

Vamos

tyruk14
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
That's probably the type of match Nadal needed to win in order to regain his form. He toughed it out, stopped making errors when he needed to, and took advantage of the last few drop shots from Gulbis. And in some ways it's a shame, because Ferrer is already lying down on the floor with the pot of vaseline beside him.

ImmzB
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Vamos Rafa!!!

There's Only 1 Rafa Nadal!

schorsch
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
As soon as these overrules happened in the first few games it changed the complexion of the match completely :( Rafa upped his game although he was looking flat and Erno was never able to shake them off :( Hate it when matches are decided on things like that :sad:

Still awesome week for Erno, he'll get other opportunities, but that loss will sting for awhile :awww:

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Erm even Hawkeye showed it's out. Did you not see that?

Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

star
05-01-2010, 05:04 PM
I'm so relieved.

Gulbis played great, no doubt. He was very entertaining throughout. I hope he does well the rest of the year.

Still, Rafa showed great spirit and courage.

Arkulari
05-01-2010, 05:04 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/1zn6az6.jpg

Gulbis played awesomely but at the end Rafa was stronger :)

Certinfy
05-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Had Nadal lost he would of been injured, and every time Nadal loses a match when injured the match isn't considered 'fair' so I think this match shouldn't of been considered 'fair' either :)

Lopez
05-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Nadal was awful today, even worse than against Hanescu and Wawrinka. Gulbis actually played great tennis and could have won.

Nadal was atrocious for his standard and could not do anything right in that match. It's very bad news for him to see that his level of MC is now totally gone. He is back to his end of last year level.

Is he injured again? That's very very worrying.

Even after a win :eek: ?

l_mac
05-01-2010, 05:05 PM
What a dreadful match :lol:

Gulbis served great.

Rafa :retard: :spit: GL tomorrow, clown.

Smoke944
05-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Good match by Gulbis, his best this week :yeah: I hope he'll maintain today's form for the further part of the season.

Yup. Some bad drop shots at crucial times but other than that it was a great effort against Rafa on clay.
IMO future matchups between these two on any surface other than clay will always be in Gulbis' hands. He has the game to hit Rafa right off the court on faster surfaces.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:06 PM
I can't take any of this fake intensity put on by Rafa. It's all a fake. I would have been more of a fan if he really was himself on the court instead of pretending all the time. Also, he is a Real Madrid fan which is basically the lowest of low in my opinion. His tennis is top notch but so many things wrong with this man ;)

star
05-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Had Nadal lost he would of been injured, and every time Nadal loses a match when injured the match isn't considered 'fair' so I think this match shouldn't of been considered 'fair' either :)

:hug: :hug:

:lol:

Ok. I'm willing to call it unfair. I don't mind as long as Rafa has the win. :angel:

Priam
05-01-2010, 05:06 PM
I didn't understand Rafa's tactics for this match. Gulbis' BH was steady throughout yet he peppered it too much. 18>50 winners?? He was so passive out there.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Even after a win :eek: ?

Please, be honest, Nadal was awful. It's not a matter of win and loss. It's a matter of level.

Nadal played wekk below his level in this tournament.

prima donna
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Good for the knees.

Fiberlight1
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

:haha:

l_mac
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Even after a win :eek: ?

Surcouf thinks Rafa has been injured all week. I think he just doesn't move as well anymore because of his knees, but such is life :shrug: Probably his hand is hurting, but that's another thing that is his own fault. Most players play with niggles.

Today his f/h was horrendous :lol:

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

WHAT HELL IS THAT???? :cuckoo:

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

It wasn't an ace, it was out as the replays showed. Your bitterness and irrational hate is funny to mock, though.

samanosuke
05-01-2010, 05:07 PM
Good for the knees.

:haha:

Noleta
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

So is the Hawkeye right:yeah:

Sunset of Age
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Rafa once again the more consistent and patient player, though indeed far from his best level. Wonder how much that had to do with his bravely fighting & hard-hitting opponent though. Congrats! :hatoff:

Gulbis saved his butt all throughout the second set by his otherwordly serving. As soon as his serve stats wents down in 3rd, the outcome was never in doubt - had to survive two very tricky holds and the third blow was deadly.
Still, amazing effort, and though I'm still far from jumping on the bandwagon, I can see him becoming a force on clay if he manages to get his head screwed on. No more of those idiotic dropshots would be a nice start. :)

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
What a dreadful match :lol:

Gulbis served great.

Rafa :retard: :spit: GL tomorrow, clown.

Lol at you calling me a troll when I spotted Nadal weak level in the Hanescu match.

M4RC
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Where are all the threads haters were waiting to post? Gulbis has played the best match of his entire career (50 winners, 12 or so aces with 80% of 1st serves and an avg speed of 215km/h, painting the lines all the time, playing aggressive, going to the net, a lot of dropshots, etc) and Nadal has played one of his 3 worst matches on clay. Even with those premises Nadal has won and this show the greatness of this unbelievable player.

So haters, suck it up :baby: :bigcry: :haha:

Rafa :bowdown: :hatoff:

Nole fan
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Gulbis hit 50 winners. :eek:
Even playing like that he didn't win. Nadal recognises he played badly. But in the end experience is what gave Nadal the match. Gulbis made some amateur errors in the last two games. He can play like a Top 10 but he's still quite inexperienced. But overall an excellent tournament for Gulbis and I believe we will see him in the top 10 not very far in the future.
Congrats Rafa. :worship:

Michael Bluth
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Nadal needs to STFU and stop acting like he won a Grand Slam final after every close match.

LocoPorElTenis
05-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

:haha: :haha: I have to admit clownusking has comedy value

Pirata.
05-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Please, be honest, Nadal was awful. It's not a matter of win and loss. It's a matter of level.

Nadal played wekk below his level in this tournament.

That doesn't mean he's injured. How can he have a tournament like Monte Carlo, take a week off, and now he's playing below his level so he's obviously injured?

Maybe he's just having an off week. Nothing new here.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:09 PM
I can't take any of this fake intensity put on by Rafa. It's all a fake. I would have been more of a fan if he really was himself on the court instead of pretending all the time. Also, he is a Real Madrid fan which is basically the lowest of low in my opinion. His tennis is top notch but so many things wrong with this man ;)

You don't even know him to say he is fake, or there is anything wrong with him. But going out of your way to try to validate your hatred for him is definitely showing there is something wrong with you.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:09 PM
WHAT HELL IS THAT???? :cuckoo:

Just google it. OK? Just google what I said. It's the first story and it was done in 2009. I don't trust IBM one bit. It has been shown time and time again that hawkeye is not accurate. If you believe what these charlatans are selling without research, then I guess whatever works for you.

Deivid23
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
I´m fucking amazed some people think both played a great match. Gulbis only served great, moved like an elephant, his fh was rubbish, returned like crap and made like 60 ues. Rafa played a match similar to those he played last year, which makes me think he´s way closer to get into another slump rather than back to winning days.

philosophicalarf
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

This deserved requoting.

spanish_army
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

You're blind.

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Surcouf
Nadal was awful today, even worse than against Hanescu and Wawrinka. Gulbis actually played great tennis and could have won.

Nadal was atrocious for his standard and could not do anything right in that match. It's very bad news for him to see that his level of MC is now totally gone. He is back to his end of last year level.

Is he injured again? That's very very worrying.

Even after a win :eek: ?

:spit:

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
:haha: :haha: I have to admit clownusking has comedy value

Just out of curiosity, which part did you find funny? I am working on my skills :devil: The IBM story is true though. Google!

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:10 PM
That doesn't mean he's injured. How can he have a tournament like Monte Carlo, take a week off, and now he's playing below his level so he's obviously injured?

Maybe he's just having an off week. Nothing new here.

It was just a question as he pulled out of Barcelona, one of his favorite tournament to protect his knee.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Anyway, I had no doubt Rafa would win, but if anyone was wondering why people were saying Rafa has lost an edge he had at Monte Carlo, the second and most of the third sets should give an indication why. He didn't play very well, but Gulbis' mental ability went out the window there, and he opened the door too many times at the end for Rafa to not sneak in and take the match.

Another RogFan
05-01-2010, 05:11 PM
He couldn’t believe he did it. RG without obvious favorites. Should be interesting who will face Roger at the final.

Jills
05-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Bummer. Ernie just got a bit tight at the end there, but Rafa is way too passive for my tastes. In my opinion, Rafa will have trouble with agressive players who try to dominate points from now on.

Nothing against Rafa, but his draw for this final is so laughable. No seeded players, no one in the Top 25.

I'm not even going to bother watching the final bc Rafa-Ferrer played in the last 2 Masters and it's the same old story. Not to mention, I'm not a huge fan of either's game.

UsD.AnDreS
05-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Rafa spent the whole MC tournament in today's match. (exactly 14 games lost)

moon language
05-01-2010, 05:11 PM
People complaining about the drop shots are off base. Gulbis was killing Nadal with the dropshots for much of the match, they simply stopped being effective at the very end of the match. The one critique I have about the last few is that he didn't set them up with the same bh dtl play he was using earlier which almost appeared to be a predetermined strategy.

As for Nadal I was surprised he didn't feed Gubis more slice, especially considering how much he's been in love with the slice over the last 8 months or so.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:12 PM
Well. I think Rafa will win Roland Garros. But at least it'll be more interesting if he loses a couple of sets here or there. Except last year, Roland Garros has been BORING. Too bad Del Potro will probably won't play this year.

Frooty_Bazooty
05-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

Erm even Hawkeye showed it's out. Did you not see that?

Hawkeye too right?

Theres no hawkeye in Rome. Hawkeye is 10 cameras positioned around the stadium, this is a lesser technology. You dont need Hawkeye on clay

spanish_army
05-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Rafa had bad attitude but won. Nobody said he was unbeatable.

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Gulbis is the FUTURE. Right, Simon Reed?

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:13 PM
the better player lost... gulbis couldnt take his chances with bad shot selections at crucial times.

shame delpo isnt playing, he would destroy the moonballer.

Del Potro probably would have lost too. He would make errors, he doesn't move as well as Gulbis, and he doesn't drop shot or have the same variety. Also, he would need to serve as well as Gulbis did to have a chance, and Gulbis has a harder serve.

If Gulbis was the better player, he would have won.

moonlightdance
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
it seemed suddenly in the span of a few minutes, rafa decided to come to life at the end and actually capitalize on some errors. on another note, i really like gulbis! hope he sorts out some of the mental aspects, as he has a nice game. and the umpiring was excellent.

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Gulbis reminds me of Safin.

He lacks the FH, BH variety, and his transition game is weaker. Gulbis' forward and backward movement is pretty bad in general. How many times did he get caught out of position either by moving too far in or have to lunge for a short reply because he didn't move in far enough?

Love Rafa and camp Nadal even more after this match. And Nadalfans too for crying in the livescore thread about the court playing fast and Gulbis' serving stats though Nadal had the same 1st %.

Nadal has two concerns for RG now: a rejuvinated Potro or finally-got-his-shit-together Fed (finding the backhand from AO F). Otherwise he's a lock even though his lateral movement is definitely not what it once was.

Can't wait for Ferrer to assume the Spanish-style position tomorrow and take his 2-3 loss like a pro.

gulzhan
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
This Gulbis is scarry :tape: ;)

Good job finally winning it, Rafa :bounce:

M4RC
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Good for the knees.

Wow, the GOAT fans want Nadal's knees to burn again cause they know there is no other way their idol could win RG. So sad.

Erm even Hawkeye showed it's out. Did you not see that?

Do you not know this clown is the arse clown king of 2010? He will destroy his rivals when the competition starts.

Voo de Mar
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
People complaining about the drop shots are off base. Gulbis was killing Nadal with the dropshots for much of the match, they simply stopped being effective at the very end of the match. The one critique I have about the last few is that he didn't set them up with the same bh dtl play he was using earlier which almost appeared to be a predetermined strategy.


IMO Gulbis should draw some conclusions, he has great dropshot but playing 3 dropshots in 5 consecutive points isn't a good idea, especially against quick opponent at the end of the match :o

Audacity
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
expected

Another RogFan
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Vamos Rafa!!!

There's Only 1 Rafa Nadal!

Yes.Thankfully. :rolleyes:

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Gulbis is a future slam winner and #1.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:15 PM
This year, I have a feeling there will be a new finalist other than Federer in RG. The rest of the field is too close to call. Novak needs to bounce back in the next couple of tournaments. Murray has potential to do well but he won't go past quarters I think. Verdasco won't be #1 as Reed suggested and will lose in quarters too. Maybe Soderling can repeat what he did but I don't bank on it.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:16 PM
He couldn’t believe he did it. RG without obvious favorites. Should be interesting who will face Roger at the final.

Nadal is the favorite. Gulbis is like the absolute worst match up for him, he played badly, on a fast court, against someone who was playing the match of their life, and he won. And the confidence he will get from this match will help him even more. Roger is less of a favorite to make the final than Nadal, definitely.

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:16 PM
This Gulbis is scarry :tape: ;)


Gulbis is gorgeous:hearts: And the next Safin:cool:

ad-out
05-01-2010, 05:16 PM
Just :worship: for ernests. What a match and week for him... so close! :inlove:

ossie
05-01-2010, 05:17 PM
gulbis served the match of his life, still wasnt enough to beat the king. rafa didnt play his best tennis today but he should stop trying so hard in these master events even tank a few when necessary theres nothing left for him to prove for non-majors. he should definitely skip madrid and give some rest to the knees and let the blisters heal so he can have an easier time in rg.

Smoke944
05-01-2010, 05:17 PM
Nadal is the favorite. Gulbis is like the absolute worst match up for him, he played badly, on a fast court, against someone who was playing the match of their life, and he won. And the confidence he will get from this match will help him even more. Roger is less of a favorite to make the final than Nadal, definitely.

Match of his life? :lol:

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Just google it. OK? Just google what I said. It's the first story and it was done in 2009. I don't trust IBM one bit. It has been shown time and time again that hawkeye is not accurate. If you believe what these charlatans are selling without research, then I guess whatever works for you.

Not everything in google is 100% reliable, but even if it's right, what in the hell IBM would want on overruling tennis balls in matches? Never heard that tennis players wanted to rule the world and spread their ideology! :p

star
05-01-2010, 05:19 PM
People complaining about the drop shots are off base. Gulbis was killing Nadal with the dropshots for much of the match, they simply stopped being effective at the very end of the match. The one critique I have about the last few is that he didn't set them up with the same bh dtl play he was using earlier which almost appeared to be a predetermined strategy.

As for Nadal I was surprised he didn't feed Gubis more slice, especially considering how much he's been in love with the slice over the last 8 months or so.

I do think that Gulbis's wasn't as mentally strong in the last game. It was more like he was hoping the drop shot would win the point (as they had so many times earlier) but didn't have the patience to set them up or execute as well as he had done perviously. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about that last game in his press conference.

brent-o
05-01-2010, 05:19 PM
He couldn’t believe he did it. RG without obvious favorites. Should be interesting who will face Roger at the final.

I would love it if Rafa won this tournament. Because I'm sure your logic then would be "Hmm, who is the RG favorite? Surely not the man who won two warmups. Why? Because I don't like him. Let's think of someone else."

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:19 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

:cuckoo:

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Gulbis is gorgeous:hearts: And the next Safin:cool:

:worship: :bowdown:
The hair is there already, along with the atittude! ;)

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Does this mean that Roger was not playing that bad after all?

Probably. I don't think Fed tanked. Gulbis is really good.

Another RogFan
05-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Nadal is the favorite. Gulbis is like the absolute worst match up for him, he played badly, on a fast court, against someone who was playing the match of their life, and he won. And the confidence he will get from this match will help him even more. Roger is less of a favorite to make the final than Nadal, definitely.

Some good points but IMHO Rafa get the confidence only by straight victories.

Noleta
05-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Awesome match by Ernie,lot's of positives to take from:yeah:

Rafa's strong mentality won him the match at the end:hatoff:The best match so far on clay this year,thanks to Ernie:hatoff:

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:21 PM
Not everything in google is 100% realiable, but even if it's right, what in the hell IBM would want on overruling tennis balls in matches? Never heard that tennis players wanted to rule the world and spread their ideology! :p

This story is right and reported by CNET and other top sources. It's funny how many people don't know IBM's connections. With that being said, you are right. IBM is not spreading that ideology. All I am saying is, I don't trust rats. And IBM as a company is a rat. It's the lowest of lows in my opinion.

You all are getting me wrong. Rafa would have won this match. Rafa always does this. Serving first, he rarely lets it get to a tie-break. But to say IBM's Hawkeye technology is this amazing, when the company has such a dubious past, set me off. :)

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:21 PM
Match of his life? :lol:

Overreaction? Hell YES. ;) :p But he did play a very good match, and he is the worst possible match up for Rafa. Nadal toughing this out even though he was rattled, playing horrendously and looking nervous is pretty much a death knell for the competition.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:22 PM
:cuckoo:

I know. It's crazy you didn't know the connection between IBM and those guys existed, right? :devil:

alter ego
05-01-2010, 05:22 PM
:spit:
LOL at the Nadaltards saying Gulbis played the match of his life. If hiting 50 winners to 56 UEs and choking the most important game is consider to be his best match ever, I wonder how bad Ernests plays in a avreage day.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:23 PM
Some good points but IMHO Rafa get the confidence only by straight victories.

I can't say that, simply because Rafa has pretty much been consistently losing these types of matches against good-playing opponents in close matches. This type of win is going to really give him a boost, and he will know he can will himself through tough times in matches.

Smoke944
05-01-2010, 05:23 PM
Overreaction? Hell YES. ;) :p But he did play a very good match, and he is the worst possible match up for Rafa. Nadal toughing this out even though he was rattled, playing horrendously and looking nervous is pretty much a death knell for the competition.

Yeah. And really, he does match up very well against Rafa. Which is why I'm looking forward to some matchups between them on faster surfaces.

Arkulari
05-01-2010, 05:23 PM
almost three hours this match :eek:

I think Gulbis could pound through Rafa in decoturf or indoor hard

Goldenoldie
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
I have a lot more respect for Gulbis after watching this match. Perhaps I was wrong about him all along? Then again, perhaps not. :confused:

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Where are all the threads haters were waiting to post? Gulbis has played the best match of his entire career (50 winners, 12 or so aces with 80% of 1st serves and an avg speed of 215km/h, painting the lines all the time, playing aggressive, going to the net, a lot of dropshots, etc) and Nadal has played one of his 3 worst matches on clay. Even with those premises Nadal has won and this show the greatness of this unbelievable player.

So haters, suck it up :baby: :bigcry: :haha:

Rafa :bowdown: :hatoff:

Knowing Rafa's worst match on clay (at least since he mattered) was in the loss to Ferrero, your "one of worst 3" means Nadal played better than today in at least one of the following.

Fed d. Nadal '07 Hamburg F
Fed d. Nadal '09 Madrid F

Which was it?

Match of his life? :lol:

This happens all the time but Nadal wins despite poor form and injuries due to the unfair schedule.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
:spit:
LOL at the Nadaltards saying Gulbis played the match of his life. If hiting 50 winners to 56 UEs and choking the most important game is consider to be his best match ever, I wonder how bad Ernests plays in a avreage day.

Not the match of his life, but he definitely played a good A- or so level the whole match. Most of those errors were him being aggressive as well, not as if he was simply dumping balls in the net. He was putting the pressure on Rafa, and Nadal didn't crack. That's a major step for Rafa given these past few months in matches like this.

Guy Haines
05-01-2010, 05:25 PM
Very impressed with Gulbis in this match and the tournament. As Moon Language said, the drop shot actuallly worked for him, until the end. He's mercurial, but I hope he can notch more performances like this as the year goes on. There's no reason why he can't play well on grass, and the USO is where he broke through.

Gulbis's look and demeanor out there are funny. Kinda mad scientist or young inventor what with the wild hair and the talking to himself. It's refreshing to see some personality in the late stages of a big tournament.

Rafa got shaky out there, which goes to show that he is vulnerable against players who can hit a big flat ball. He would be wise not to play Madrid and spend the free time honing facets of his approach and getting ready for drop shots.

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:25 PM
This story is right and reported by CNET and other top sources. It's funny how many people don't know IBM's connections. With that being said, you are right. IBM is not spreading that ideology. All I am saying is, I don't trust rats. And IBM as a company is a rat. It's the lowest of lows in my opinion.

You all are getting me wrong. Rafa would have won this match. Rafa always does this. Serving first, he rarely lets it get to a tie-break. But to say IBM's Hawkeye technology is this amazing, when the company has such a dubious past, set me off. :)

:o Glad we are discussing tennis again!

BTW, Congrats Rafa! :hug: Good run Ernie, next Safin!:devil: A better version, hopefully! :rolleyes:

peribsen
05-01-2010, 05:26 PM
Uffff, soooo close!!

To be fair, Nadal played like at 75% of his A game, it wasn´t a brilliant day for him, but Gulbis was really hot for most of the match, his inconsistency in the last games was only to be expected due to inexperience.

The first time ever I get to see Gulbis, really hope he matures a bit, tennis needs him. This is getting more exciting every time, the distance between the top 2-3 and the rest is dwindling. If Gulbis keeps it up, the top is going to be on fire! Much better to see Gulbis in the top ten than such hoverhyped guys like Tsonga or Soderling!

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:26 PM
The serious question has not been mentionned in this thread.

How Nadal came from playing some awesome tennis, near his best and near perfection at MC where nothing could hurt him to playing so badly in Roma?

It is because of the same reason he pulled out of barcelona?

spanish_army
05-01-2010, 05:26 PM
What a dreadful match :lol:

Gulbis served great.

Rafa :retard: :spit: GL tomorrow, clown.

YOU ARE A CLOWN

Your comments are ridiculous one more time. Your signature is pathetic, the avatar is awful...

Simply the worst

star
05-01-2010, 05:27 PM
Bummer. Ernie just got a bit tight at the end there, but Rafa is way too passive for my tastes. In my opinion, Rafa will have trouble with agressive players who try to dominate points from now on.

Nothing against Rafa, but his draw for this final is so laughable. No seeded players, no one in the Top 25.

I'm not even going to bother watching the final bc Rafa-Ferrer played in the last 2 Masters and it's the same old story. Not to mention, I'm not a huge fan of either's game.

The draw indeed had players in the top 25 -- actually the draw had him playing the number one player in the semi. So, you can't really blame the draw, can you?

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:28 PM
Yeah. And really, he does match up very well against Rafa. Which is why I'm looking forward to some matchups between them on faster surfaces.

Nadal is going to have real problems beating Gulbis on anything other than clay ever in his career at this point. Gulbis has the serve, can expose Nadal's declined movement, can take Nadal off the baseline and catch him deep behind the baseline with drop shots, can volley, can defend decently, and of course can hit through him. If Gulbis were a little more consistent he could have won this match, but once he gets a little more experience playing guys like this in these types of atmospheres and he continues to get better, he will be a force.

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:30 PM
The serious question has not been mentionned in this thread.

How Nadal came from playing some awesome tennis, near his best and near perfection at MC where nothing could hurt him to playing so badly in Roma?

It is because of the same reason he pulled out of barcelona?

Interesting, but I think he is not injured! :shrug:

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:30 PM
Good for the knees.

Guess that's what it is going to take for people to actually beat him this clay season.

Sunset of Age
05-01-2010, 05:30 PM
IMO Gulbis should draw some conclusions, he has great dropshot but playing 3 dropshots in 5 consecutive points isn't a good idea, especially against quick opponent at the end of the match :o

Exactly. The tactic is perfectly fine in cases you manage to surprise your opponent. Doing it several times in a row isn't surprising anymore, and even worse when executed badly, like Gulbis did in his last serve game. So it's not the tactic that's off, it was Gulbis' timing and execution.

rocketassist
05-01-2010, 05:31 PM
:hatoff: to Erno, to come that close to beating Nadal on clay, is admirable. This kid is fucking good.

Nadal was awful today, even worse than against Hanescu and Wawrinka. Gulbis actually played great tennis and could have won.

Nadal was atrocious for his standard and could not do anything right in that match. It's very bad news for him to see that his level of MC is now totally gone. He is back to his end of last year level.

Is he injured again? That's very very worrying.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S WHY HE LOST A SET.

DICKHEAD.

l_mac
05-01-2010, 05:31 PM
YOU ARE A CLOWN

Your comments are ridiculous one more time. Your signature is pathetic, the avatar is awful...

Simply the worst

:haha:

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:31 PM
Just google it. OK? Just google what I said. It's the first story and it was done in 2009. I don't trust IBM one bit. It has been shown time and time again that hawkeye is not accurate. If you believe what these charlatans are selling without research, then I guess whatever works for you.

You wouldn't say any of this if the serve was shown to be in.

Priam
05-01-2010, 05:32 PM
Rafa 2/12 on BPs. Mostly due to the bombs Gulbis was serving every time he faced one. He was serving like Ivo out there today. Good match.

l_mac
05-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Surcouf, you are insane if you think he is playing at the same level as he was in WTF last year. Get a grip.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:34 PM
Surcouf, you are insane if you think he is playing at the same level as he was in WTF last year. Get a grip.

Say the guy who called me a troll when I spotted Nadal low level at Roma in his match against Hanescu.

star
05-01-2010, 05:34 PM
Nadal is going to have real problems beating Gulbis on anything other than clay ever in his career at this point. Gulbis has the serve, can expose Nadal's declined movement, can take Nadal off the baseline and catch him deep behind the baseline with drop shots, can volley, can defend decently, and of course can hit through him. If Gulbis were a little more consistent he could have won this match, but once he gets a little more experience playing guys like this in these types of atmospheres and he continues to get better, he will be a force.

I hope that Gulbis does become a force, but there is a long way between potential and realization.

I think the dropshot is far more effective on clay, so I don't see that being a huge weapon for Gulbis on hard court. So far this year, Gulbis hasn't had excellent results on hard courts, so we'll have to see how this success is carried on into the grass and summer hard courts.

Bad Religion
05-01-2010, 05:35 PM
Rafa is lucky that Gulbis is a huge mug , otherwise he would have lost to any player today

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:36 PM
Good for the knees.

Yeah and if he plays Madrid he will destroy whatever is left of them:o

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:37 PM
You wouldn't say any of this if the serve was shown to be in.

Flyboy. I don't mean to judge you. But you really surprise me. Maybe I am getting it wrong. Are you defending IBM or Nadal? Even if Hawkeye was 1000% right, I would say what I said about IBM. Why would I man? What's wrong with you?

Smoke944
05-01-2010, 05:37 PM
Rafa is lucky that Gulbis is a huge mug , otherwise he would have lost to any player today

Somehow you consistently pull off the impossible, and make a post stupider than your last :worship: :worship:

delpiero7
05-01-2010, 05:37 PM
Nadal cheater again managed to get lucky. The last one was an ace but the referee is obviously a spanish fan.

Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

I can't take any of this fake intensity put on by Rafa. It's all a fake. I would have been more of a fan if he really was himself on the court instead of pretending all the time. Also, he is a Real Madrid fan which is basically the lowest of low in my opinion. His tennis is top notch but so many things wrong with this man ;)

The truth hidden among all the BS. What makes it even worse is his uncle played for Barca for 9 years.

.
Nothing against Rafa, but his draw for this final is so laughable. No seeded players, no one in the Top 25.


His projected draw contained Soderling, Federer and Djokovic. Not Nadal's fault none of them stepped up to the plate.

alter ego
05-01-2010, 05:37 PM
The serious question has not been mentionned in this thread.

How Nadal came from playing some awesome tennis, near his best and near perfection at MC where nothing could hurt him to playing so badly in Roma?

It is because of the same reason he pulled out of barcelona?

Let's see:
Monte Carlo:
R1= bye
R2=bye
R3=bye
QF=out of gass Ferrero
Sf=Ferrer
F=bye

Rome:
R1=bye
R2=average Kohli
R3=a very good Hănescu
Qf= a very good Wawrinka in the first set
SF= in form ballbasher

Notice any diffrence ?

ys
05-01-2010, 05:38 PM
Tennis is binary. Nadal won, Gulbis lost. Everything else is minor details..

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:39 PM
That doesn't mean he's injured. How can he have a tournament like Monte Carlo, take a week off, and now he's playing below his level so he's obviously injured?

Maybe he's just having an off week. Nothing new here.

Maybe the clay is too fast for him:wavey:

malisha
05-01-2010, 05:39 PM
great fight as expected...Gulbis is no mug like Wawrinka or other players Nadal played before

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:40 PM
I know. It's crazy you didn't know the connection between IBM and those guys existed, right? :devil:

I think you saying that the umpires and tournament are basically in on trying to get Nadal the trophy and cheated on that service line call in the process is crazy.

prima donna
05-01-2010, 05:40 PM
Yeah and if he plays Madrid he will destroy whatever is left of them:o
That's the idea, my friend.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:40 PM
Let's see:
Monte Carlo:
R1= bye
R2=bye
R3=bye
QF=out of gass Ferrero
Sf=Ferrer
F=bye

Rome:
R1=bye
R2=average Kohli
R3=a very good Hănescu
Qf= a very Wawrinka in the first set
SF= in form ballbasher

Notice any diffrence ?

That's laughable. Hanescu is the definition of a bye.

And both Verdasco and Ferrer would have beaten Gulbis and Wawrinka.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Flyboy. I don't mean to judge you. But you really surprise me. Maybe I am getting it wrong. Are you defending IBM or Nadal? Even if Hawkeye was 1000% right, I would say what I said about IBM. Why would I man? What's wrong with you?

I'm merely wondering why you called Nadal fake, and said that they cheated on the line call and it was not actually out. Whether IBM called it in or not doesn't really have anything to do with the umpire saying it was out. You said he was in on something to get Nadal to win. Can you clarify please?

l_mac
05-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Say the guy who called me a troll when I spotted Nadal low level at Roma in his match against Hanescu.

I'm pretty sure it was Selby I said was trolling when he posted something that indicated he thought Rafa was playing at a similar level as he did in the 2009 clay season.

ossie
05-01-2010, 05:42 PM
That's the idea, my friend.laughably pathetic

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:43 PM
I think you saying that the umpires and tournament are basically in on trying to get Nadal the trophy and cheated on that service line call in the process is crazy.

OK. Then it's just a misunderstanding then. No. I don't think the tournament and umpires are corrupt. No. Nadal does not need anyone to win him his trophy. Gulbis choked in the end and there is no two ways about it. But IBM is another story. I am on a crusade to expose this trash of a company

Black Adam
05-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Congrats to Gulbis for being the first one to take a set off Rafa on clay this season.

Priam
05-01-2010, 05:44 PM
You worry too much, Surcouf. Were you seriously expecting him to lose 2 games per match like in MC? MC is a lot slower than Rome so you have to factor that in too.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:44 PM
I do think that Gulbis's wasn't as mentally strong in the last game. It was more like he was hoping the drop shot would win the point (as they had so many times earlier) but didn't have the patience to set them up or execute as well as he had done perviously. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about that last game in his press conference.

"I shitted my pants during the last game, sorry for my language"

malisha
05-01-2010, 05:44 PM
scoreline looks good as many clueless mugs here thought rafa is going to beat him easy

yet im not happy how Gulbis played....it colud be much better IMO

SheepleBuster
05-01-2010, 05:45 PM
I'm merely wondering why you called Nadal fake, and said that they cheated on the line call and it was not actually out. Whether IBM called it in or not doesn't really have anything to do with the umpire saying it was out. You said he was in on something to get Nadal to win. Can you clarify please?

I did respond. The umpire, I like him a lot, but he is known to be star friendly. It's all insignificant. Nadal won fair and square in my opinion and I was just mad that Gulbis choked. That's all :devil: So I concede the point there. :)

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:45 PM
OK. Then it's just a misunderstanding then. No. I don't think the tournament and umpires are corrupt. No. Nadal does not need anyone to win him his trophy. Gulbis choked in the end and there is no two ways about it. But IBM is another story. I am on a crusade to expose this trash of a company

OK, then well we have an understanding of this misunderstanding then ;)

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:46 PM
I did respond. The umpire, I like him a lot, but he is known to be star friendly. It's all insignificant. Nadal won fair and square in my opinion and I was just mad that Gulbis choked. That's all :devil: So I concede the point there. :)

OK, cool, cool, good to know, glad you explained yourself :)

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:47 PM
scoreline looks good as many clueless mugs here thought rafa is going to beat him easy

yet im not happy how Gulbis played....it colud be much better IMO

If Gulbis can play better, what to say about Nadal?

I wonder how Nadal will show up tomorrow. If it's in the same state, he may lose.

Mjau!
05-01-2010, 05:47 PM
Peak form Rafito barely beating Gulbis shows that El toro is no match for an on fire Soderking.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 05:49 PM
Gulbis serve was like Soderling's serve at RG. Hope Nadal is ok. I think his knee is bothering him again.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:49 PM
Peak form Rafito barely beating Gulbis shows that El toro is no match for an on fire Soderking.

Lol , Sodeling took a beating from Wawrinka. And got killed by Nadal in Roma, before Nadal's injury. Good try, though.

Ales_Alessandra
05-01-2010, 05:50 PM
That's laughable. Hanescu is the definition of a bye.

And both Verdasco and Ferrer would have beaten Gulbis and Wawrinka.

Nando just did in straights last week in Barcelona. 6/2 7/6

Calidreth
05-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Having to wade through ten pages of inane dribble is a pain; shut up you dumbasses. Anyway, I enjoyed the match, but Rafa will have to raise his level one notch to compete in the French Open. These ball bashers are certainly taking it to him.

rocketassist
05-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Lol , Sodeling took a beating from Wawrinka. And got killed by Nadal in Roma, before Nadal's injury. Good try, though.

Do you genuinely think he was injured TODAY?

Selby
05-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Nadal won't win Roland Garros unfortunately, his peak was in Monte Carlo and it was an amazing peak but looks like he's in a slow decline since, just like last year.
It will be enough for him to beat Ferrer and take the title, but after that in Madrid it will be very very difficult for him and he'll have a lack of confidence in Paris.

MaryWalsh
05-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Didn't see the match but YAY RAFA!
I do hope he skips Madrid, goes to Paris early, and gets comfortable for RG.

Mjau!
05-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Lol , Sodeling took a beating from Wawrinka. And got killed by Nadal in Roma, before Nadal's injury. Good try, though.

I said on fire Soderking. Pay attention.

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Interesting, but I think he is not injured! :shrug:

I don't think Rafa is injured, yet. Though if he goes to Madrid then he could finish off the knees for real:o.... He is just not a teen anymore and doesn't move or run as fast as when he was a teen:wavey:

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:52 PM
Do you genuinely think he was injured TODAY?

It's a possibility. I don't think he pulled out of barcelona for no reason. And I don't see any other reason why Nadal would be so bad at Roma compared to how good he was in MC.

Nadal played a better Roma last year.

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:53 PM
I said on fire Soderking. Pay attention.

On fire means here playing an injured Nadal.

alter ego
05-01-2010, 05:53 PM
If Gulbis can play better, what to say about Nadal?

I wonder how Nadal will show up tomorrow. If it's in the same state, he may lose.

You really are clueless. Does Ferrer have a huge serve ? Does he have a flat powerfull FH that dosen't allow Nadal to take the initiative in the rally ? Is he 1.90 m so he can hit back Nadal's heavy top spins with an increase ? NO he isn't. Nadull to win 6-2, 6-3, or something close to it.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Anyways Gulbis is still a clown. Nadal just decided to play like a clown today with all his unforced errors.

rafa the best
05-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Fighting both his opponent and body and still winning - AMAZING!!!!!!!

Noleta
05-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Didn't see the match but YAY RAFA!
I do hope he skips Madrid, goes to Paris early, and gets comfortable for RG.

He has a week off.

malisha
05-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Gulbis didnt play match of his life...thats just not true

it was just another day in the office...above average serving but he have played much better matches in the past

born_on_clay
05-01-2010, 05:55 PM
You worry too much, Surcouf. Were you seriously expecting him to lose 2 games per match like in MC? MC is a lot slower than Rome so you have to factor that in too.

+1

Rafa said himself Monte Carlo's clay is slower than Rome and Madrid but more similar the the one from Roland Garros :wavey:

Mjau!
05-01-2010, 05:55 PM
On fire means here playing an injured Nadal.

He played much better than Gulbis did today.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
I hope that Gulbis does become a force, but there is a long way between potential and realization.

I think the dropshot is far more effective on clay, so I don't see that being a huge weapon for Gulbis on hard court. So far this year, Gulbis hasn't had excellent results on hard courts, so we'll have to see how this success is carried on into the grass and summer hard courts.

True, whether he will actually become a force, I think is 50-50 at best. I don't really trust him continuing this form throughout a season. He's sort of where Soderling was until last year. Lots of potential, shows it on occasion, but lots of development still needed, and a little bit of a lack of mentality.

You are also right that the dropshot is a more effective weapon on clay, but how Nadal stands so far back on all surfaces, the fact Gulbis can push Nadal far off the baseline, and the fact Nadal doesn't move even close to as well as he used to, it can still be pretty effective if used sparingly on hard or grass. Part of Gulbis' problem is that on hard courts of course as you said, the drop shot isn't as much of a weapon, and he has less time to execute his game, meaning he gets his timing off more, also his movement is more exposed on hard court.

He has a long way to go but he is showing more flashes now than he ever has, which is a good sign.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
+1

Rafa said himself Monte Carlo's clay is slower than Rome and Madrid but more similar the the one from Roland Garros :wavey:
I don't why people keep saying RG is slow. It's not. Del Potro and Soderling were loving all the free points they were getting out there.

Sunset of Age
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
It's bad enough seeing certain folks pull the injury card every time Rafa loses a match, but apparently I'll now even have to enjure it when he plays a tight match against a well-playing opponent and WINS it. :banghead: :help:

Surcouf: all the players have to deal with physical adversities once in a while, and no-one, not even Superman Nadal, is playing at his 100% best level all of the time.
Him skipping Barcelona was a wise move for reasons of precaution, finally understanding that over-playing like he did last year would endager his chances of getting back RG and perhaps Wimbledon.
Just leave it at that, okay?

Surcouf
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
You really are clueless. Does Ferrer have a huge serve ? Does he have a flat powerfull FH that dosen't allow Nadal to take the initiative in the rally ? Is he 1.90 m so he can hit back Nadal's heavy top spins with an increase ? NO he isn't. Nadull to win 6-2, 6-3, or something close to it.

Ferrer is ten times the clay player that Gulbis will ever be. Ferrer has his own weapon and he cetainly has a powerful forehand. But more important Ferrer won't make all the gifts than Gulbis did today and if Nadal play as bad as he did today, he will lose. Ferrer has already given a very good Nadal a good match.

LinkMage
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
Nadull celebrating like an epileptic at the end of the match, looked like he just won Wimbledon or something. Instead he barely beat a headcase ballbasher ranked #40 in the semis of a MM Masters.

Call me back when he beats a top 10 player. Hasn't beaten even one this clay season. :zzz:

malisha
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
and he is the worst possible match up for Rafa.

one of the worst...but anyone who understands the game allready knewed that;)

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:57 PM
Nadal won't win Roland Garros unfortunately, his peak was in Monte Carlo and it was an amazing peak but looks like he's in a slow decline since, just like last year.
It will be enough for him to beat Ferrer and take the title, but after that in Madrid it will be very very difficult for him and he'll have a lack of confidence in Paris.

Who is going to beat him exactly?

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Let's see:
Monte Carlo:
R1= bye
R2=bye
R3=bye
QF=out of gass Ferrero
Sf=Ferrer
F=bye

Rome:
R1=bye
R2=average Kohli
R3=a very good Hănescu
Qf= a very good Wawrinka in the first set
SF= in form ballbasher

Notice any diffrence ?

Plus Rome is faster clay than MC.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Nadull celebrating like an epilectic at the end of the match, looked like he just won Wimbledon or something. Instead he barely beat a headcase ballbasher ranked #40 in the semis of a Masters MM.

Call me back when he beats a top 10 player. Hasn't beaten even one this clay season. :zzz:

I guess Nadal should have been depressed after playing horribly and being taken to the brink of defeat but still winning. It's not like he earned the victory, right?

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Ferrer is ten times the clay player that Gulbis will ever be. Ferrer has his own weapon and he cetainly has a powerful forehand. But more important Ferrer won't make all the gifts than Gulbis did today and if Nadal play as bad as he did today, he will lose. Ferrer has already given a very good Nadal a good match.
Agreed. Nadal will have to be much better tomorrow. Rome is playing like a high bouncing hard court though. So Nadal feels rushed here and makes more errors to clowns he should be dominating.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:00 PM
one of the worst...but anyone who understands the game allready knewed that;)

I knew it personally, and I remember the match a few years ago on Paris how Gulbis was hurting Nadal with his shots, but I didn't expect him or Nadal to play the way they did today. I need to give Gulbis more credit, he's better that I actually thought he was.

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 06:01 PM
I don't why people keep saying RG is slow. It's not. Del Potro and Soderling were loving all the free points they were getting out there.

Last year it was a very hot and dry RG, no rain, ever. Who knows how the weather will be this year...

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Peak form Rafito barely beating Gulbis shows that El toro is no match for an on fire Soderking.

That wasn't peak form Rafa, and really, Gulbis playing at his best is BETTER to me than Soderling.

Selby
05-01-2010, 06:03 PM
Who is going to beat him exactly?

I'm not saying any ball-basher can beat him, but if Nadal doesn't raise his level back to his MC level, one of them good ball-bashers who is really really on fire and really really on a good day like Soderling was, yeah, sure, he can be defeated.

malisha
05-01-2010, 06:04 PM
If Gulbis can play better, what to say about Nadal?

I wonder how Nadal will show up tomorrow. If it's in the same state, he may lose.

Nadal had similar level in his last 2 matches.....some people saw it against Hanescu..some didnt but it makes no difference

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 06:04 PM
It's a possibility. I don't think he pulled out of barcelona for no reason. And I don't see any other reason why Nadal would be so bad at Roma compared to how good he was in MC.

Nadal played a better Roma last year.

But this is a new centre court(stadium) in Rome so maybe the clay is faster than in 2009.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:04 PM
Last year it was a very hot and dry RG, no rain, ever. Who knows how the weather will be this year...
It had its rainy days and was still plaing fast. McEnroe mentioned how lively the balls were in his doubles matches. Some of the fastest balls he ever played with.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:06 PM
I'm not saying any ball-basher can beat him, but if Nadal doesn't raise his level back to his MC level, one of them good ball-bashers who is really really on fire and really really on a good day like Soderling was, yeah, sure, he can be defeated.

No, I don't see it, outside of Del Potro. I don't know exactly why people continue to bring up Soderling. He beat an injured player last year. I don't see how Soderling can actually do much more than Gulbis did today, and Gulbis lost, and RG is slower than Rome. Del Potro is the only ball basher I can see with the weight of shot and consistency combination and ability to defend well enough to actually beat Nadal on clay.

born_on_clay
05-01-2010, 06:08 PM
I don't why people keep saying RG is slow. It's not. Del Potro and Soderling were loving all the free points they were getting out there.

Rafa's words not mine :wavey:

Xristos
05-01-2010, 06:08 PM
A win is a win, is it not?

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 06:09 PM
It had its rainy days and was still plaing fast. McEnroe mentioned how lively the balls were in his doubles matches. Some of the fastest balls he ever played with.

It only rained before the final.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:09 PM
No, I don't see it, outside of Del Potro. I don't know exactly why people continue to bring up Soderling. He beat an injured player last year. I don't see how Soderling can actually do much more than Gulbis did today, and Gulbis lost, and RG is slower than Rome. Del Potro is the only ball basher I can see with the weight of shot and consistency combination and ability to defend well enough to actually beat Nadal on clay.
See my post. RG is playing much faster than in the past.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:10 PM
Come on, I like Nadal a lot, but some of you Rafa fans are fucking annoying. It's like immature children. Rafa won. He's the favorite for the French. He has shown no signs of injury, unlike last season, and he showed no signs of injury today. He has a week off until Madrid. Stop looking for things to cry about.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:10 PM
See my post. RG is playing much faster than in the past.

Rome is faster than RG.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Rafa's words not mine :wavey:
Except he didn't say it. He said he thought the material of RG was similar to Monte-Carlo but the balls are different. RG has some of the most lively balls out there. Typical French have to hurt Nadal's chances by doing things like this. :o

delpiero7
05-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Nadull celebrating like an epileptic at the end of the match, looked like he just won Wimbledon or something. Instead he barely beat a headcase ballbasher ranked #40 in the semis of a MM Masters.

Call me back when he beats a top 10 player. Hasn't beaten even one this clay season. :zzz:

He just got lucky that they had an open draw this year and he was the only top 30 player to land in his side of the draw.

If only Federer had been in Nadal's half, he would certainly have given the piggy an education today. It's a travesty that he was placed in the other half full of top 20 players and got beaten by a clear-thinking tennis magician.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:12 PM
Rome is faster than RG.
It is not faster than RG. Watch the Nadal/Soderling match again. It wasn't just Nadal's injury that made Soderling get so many free points on his serve.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:12 PM
See my post. RG is playing much faster than in the past.

What's the past? 2008?

TennisOnWood
05-01-2010, 06:13 PM
50th ATP final :worship::worship:

Do your best haters

Bazooka
05-01-2010, 06:13 PM
Nadal always has close matches in Rome. It's a fast bounce court, he keeps mentioning in every spanish TV interview that he has some trouble with it (because they ask him every damn time, yeah). Nothing strange with this match, the ball jumps quick at him, he needs more time to prepare some of his shots than most players (down the line FH was missing today), so he ends up being more passive than in MC or RG against players that can hit the ball hard. Plus he had a bad day and Gulbis served like a god.

Sampras won this one, remember?

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:15 PM
It is not faster than RG. Watch the Nadal/Soderling match again. It wasn't just Nadal's injury that made Soderling get so many free points on his serve.

Soderling can hit through any court. Rome is clearly faster, and it's drier, and generally is hotter. The balls also bounce higher at Rome. It's long been known Monte Carlo is the court with the conditions closest to the French, and Nadal won that tournament, so I don't think there is any issue with the court and whatever else. If Nadal is the clay monster, it shouldn't matter regardless. Sounds as if you aren't too confident in Nadal's abilities.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:15 PM
What's the past? 2008?
Yep 2009 is much different than 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005. You would know if you followed the clay season intensely like I do. It's not just the weather.

Rumour
05-01-2010, 06:20 PM
Gulbis :hug:

At least I predicted the outcome of this match (i.e. a three-set loss) correctly, unlike his previous one against Fed.

malisha
05-01-2010, 06:21 PM
Nadal always has close matches in Rome.

LMAO

only one tight match in last four years against in form and full of confidance Donkey

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 06:22 PM
LMAO

only one tight match in last four years against in form and full of confidance Donkey

In 4 yrs? 4 yrs ago he had the very close final with Fed:wavey:

CyBorg
05-01-2010, 06:24 PM
Nadal will win easily in the final and people will jump back on the bandwagon again.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Soderling can hit through any court. Rome is clearly faster, and it's drier, and generally is hotter. The balls also bounce higher at Rome. It's long been known Monte Carlo is the court with the conditions closest to the French, and Nadal won that tournament, so I don't think there is any issue with the court and whatever else. If Nadal is the clay monster, it shouldn't matter regardless. Sounds as if you aren't too confident in Nadal's abilities.
Soderling can't hit through Monte-Carlo clay courts. I guess that is why he doesn't show up there. That is the only courts that are legitimately slow these days. I didn't say Rome was slow but Rome, Madrid, and RG are fast for clay courts.

malisha
05-01-2010, 06:25 PM
In 4 yrs? 4 yrs ago he had the very close final with Fed:wavey:

forgot about that one

make it two

Aenea
05-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Come on, I like Nadal a lot, but some of you Rafa fans are fucking annoying. It's like immature children. Rafa won. He's the favorite for the French. He has shown no signs of injury, unlike last season, and he showed no signs of injury today. He has a week off until Madrid. Stop looking for things to cry about.

And this post is directed at whom exactly? I haven't read a single post like those you are mentioning here and I see nobody crying.

I am glad Rafa pulled that difficult match out. He's toughening up once again and is very close to his high level of mental strength if not already there. Everything else just doesn't matter right now.

Persimmon
05-01-2010, 06:27 PM
forgot about that one

make it two

You shouldn't have since Fed should have won it:wavey::o

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 06:33 PM
Monte-Carlo... That is the only courts that are legitimately slow these days... Rome, Madrid, and RG are fast for clay courts.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Nadal's most successful clay tournament is the only legit clay court.

Commander Data
05-01-2010, 06:35 PM
What is all the buzz about?

Nadal loses a set and hell breaks lose :help:

l_mac
05-01-2010, 06:35 PM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Nadal's most successful clay tournament is the only legit clay court.

No, you shouldn't - because its Fedtard logic applied by Rafaclowns :yeah:

Guy Haines
05-01-2010, 06:37 PM
Lots of hysteria in this thread.

As a Gulbis fan, let's see if he can hold his form for a while before predicting utter hard court domination of Rafa from this day on. For some people, it's as if Rafa's hard court achievements are invisible, and it could be argued that Ernie is better in clay than hard courts at this stage. One reason for this is that when his game is solid he's more improvisational than the other big hitters. One of the reasons I like him.

For panic stricken Nadal fans and salivating haters, Rafa didn't play well precisely because Ernests took it to him. Let's see who else can pull off that % of first serves at full force, especially in 3 of 5.

As for knee doomsaying, this match was long but not the kind of protracted long rally grind Rafa had against Djokovic in Madrid last year. And he toughed it out.

Knotty Fort
05-01-2010, 06:38 PM
Really? Now we trust Hawkeye? A technology developed by IBM (a company that supported hitler?)

I take full credit for inspiring this timeless quote from Cyrusking. And well the clay mark is not enough, the umpire is biased, the Hawkeye fails....We should just remove the lines on the tennis court completely! Problem solved :ras:

SetSampras
05-01-2010, 06:38 PM
Gotta give Gulbis his kudos. He gave Nadal more competition then anyone else has thus far. Ferrer is just gonna get bageled

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 06:39 PM
And this post is directed at whom exactly? I haven't read a single post like those you are mentioning here and I see nobody crying.

I am glad Rafa pulled that difficult match out. He's toughening up once again and is very close to his high level of mental strength if not already there. Everything else just doesn't matter right now.

The people who are acting hysterically. You may not see it, but I clearly see it, and it's annoying. I don't need to call out names, since I don't want to start a shouting match and I'm not trying to throw anyone personally under the bus.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 06:44 PM
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Nadal's most successful clay tournament is the only legit clay court.
Clay should be clearly the slowest surface. Grass should be the fastest. Hardcourts should be in the middle. Anything that changes these things is not reacting to the nature the surface speed should and not a true example of that surface type. You know it's playing fast when the Americans are doing well at RG.

malisha
05-01-2010, 06:45 PM
it could be argued that Ernie is better in clay than hard courts at this stage. One reason for this is that when his game is solid he's more improvisational than the other big hitters.


at this stage maybe(just maybe)

but in future im sure hell fancy indoor courts and fast hardcourts more...if he improves his net game even grass is better option than clay IMO

Fedicilous
05-01-2010, 06:48 PM
Piece of cake for Nadal. Nice practice before final.
Thank to God that Del Potro is injured, we would be double bageled by the King.

*Jean*
05-01-2010, 06:49 PM
Ernests :sad: Great fight and superb tournament though.

NicoMedellin
05-01-2010, 06:56 PM
Great match!!! Gulbis plays very good...But nadal shows why he has been in the top 3 for so long in the 3rd set!!!

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 06:59 PM
No, you shouldn't - because its Fedtard logic applied by Rafaclowns :yeah:

Fedtard logic uses Nadal's success to determine the color of the clay. Nothing more.

star
05-01-2010, 07:02 PM
The people who are acting hysterically. You may not see it, but I clearly see it, and it's annoying. I don't need to call out names, since I don't want to start a shouting match and I'm not trying to throw anyone personally under the bus.

:lol: :lol:

I really enjoy this kind of logic. You make a generalized attack that people (Rafa fans) are acting hysterically, and refuse to say specifically who is acting hysterically based on the high moral ground of not "throwing anyone personally under the bus," thereby tarring every Rafa fan who has posted here with your broad brush generalization. :bigclap: Great stuff. Worthy of a Troll God. :worship:

star
05-01-2010, 07:03 PM
Fedtard logic uses Nadal's success to determine the color of the clay. Nothing more.

Oh, there's lots more, but that's a good start. :)

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Oh, there's lots more, but that's a good start. :)

Yeah, but the rest of it is just called "logic."

star
05-01-2010, 07:07 PM
Yeah, but the rest of it is just called "logic."

:hug:

Yes, it is -- by fedtards. :)

moon language
05-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Peak form Rafito barely beating Gulbis shows that El toro is no match for an on fire Soderking.

MTF math is always a gas.

shotgun
05-01-2010, 07:15 PM
Finally an interesting match in this clay season. Well done Gulbis for making it competitive.

Tutu
05-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Gulbis reminds me of Safin.
This.


Perfect result IMO. Ernests has a lot to be proud about and take away from this. Rafa wasn't playing half bad in the first but it was Ernests who really got into his head. He really seems to be coming together and he again he was very patient and didn't just come out there and try to take every shot on the rise and kill the ball. He's coming! :smoke:


As for Rafa, it is clear that there is still uncertainty in Rafa's game and he certainly is weary and at times afraid to be aggressive, but the more wins (and especially tough matches like these where he has to dig really deep) he gets under his belt, the more confident he will be. Win the title now. :worship:

Corey Feldman
05-01-2010, 07:19 PM
wake me up when tennis is interesting again

Tutu
05-01-2010, 07:21 PM
Nadull celebrating like an epileptic at the end of the match, looked like he just won Wimbledon or something. Instead he barely beat a headcase ballbasher ranked #40 in the semis of a MM Masters.

Call me back when he beats a top 10 player. Hasn't beaten even one this clay season. :zzz:
:lol: You're an idiot.

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 07:21 PM
:lol: :lol:

I really enjoy this kind of logic. You make a generalized attack that people (Rafa fans) are acting hysterically, and refuse to say specifically who is acting hysterically based on the high moral ground of not "throwing anyone personally under the bus," thereby tarring every Rafa fan who has posted here with your broad brush generalization. :bigclap: Great stuff. Worthy of a Troll God. :worship:

I specifically said SOME Nadal fans were acting hysterically, you weren't one of those people I was thinking of, but those people I were describing, it makes no difference whether I disclose who it is I am thinking of. Because my feelings are personal, and based on what they are saying and their actions, not anything else. I'm not tarring every Nadal fan, because if I were, I would say all Rafa fans are hysterical, and I didn't say that. But your defensive response is noted.

moon language
05-01-2010, 07:22 PM
From http://twitter.com/drewlilley

Ernests re Dani Hani watching today: "Yeah? I'm getting popular with the girls! I'm heading back to Latvia tonight to party!"

:lol:

Tutu
05-01-2010, 07:22 PM
wake me up when tennis is interesting again
AKA when Murray is back boring us all to death? I hope you never wake up then.

Tutu
05-01-2010, 07:23 PM
From http://twitter.com/drewlilley

Ernests re Dani Hani watching today: "Yeah? I'm getting popular with the girls! I'm heading back to Latvia tonight to party!"

:lol:

:lol: Vika won't be happy.

M4RC
05-01-2010, 07:27 PM
Peak form Rafito barely beating Gulbis shows that El toro is no match for an on fire Soderking.

:haha: :haha:

M4RC
05-01-2010, 07:43 PM
He couldn’t believe he did it. RG without obvious favorites. Should be interesting who will face Roger at the final.

Probably Guccione back from the dead.

Corey Feldman
05-01-2010, 07:54 PM
AKA when Murray is back boring us all to death? I hope you never wake up then.basically, when its not clay season

tangerine_dream
05-01-2010, 07:57 PM
Sad how Fedtards cannot appreciate greatness when they see it. :sad:

Certinfy
05-01-2010, 07:58 PM
From http://twitter.com/drewlilley

Ernests re Dani Hani watching today: "Yeah? I'm getting popular with the girls! I'm heading back to Latvia tonight to party!"

:lol::mad: First he takes Vika and now he's going after my Dani :mad:

duong
05-01-2010, 08:00 PM
Del Potro probably would have lost too. He would make errors, he doesn't move as well as Gulbis, and he doesn't drop shot or have the same variety. Also, he would need to serve as well as Gulbis did to have a chance, and Gulbis has a harder serve.


Del Potro serves less well than Gulbis, but apart from that, he's better.

With Nadal's game today, he might have won for sure.

If Gulbis was the better player, he would have won.

yes that is true

Certinfy
05-01-2010, 08:01 PM
A fit Del Potro would have ripped Nadal apart today!

duong
05-01-2010, 08:04 PM
IMO Gulbis should draw some conclusions, he has great dropshot but playing 3 dropshots in 5 consecutive points isn't a good idea, especially against quick opponent at the end of the match :o

the dropshots Gulbis played at that moment were not a tactical choice, but because he was taken by the ball, surprised by Nadal's defenses and not moving well enough (probably a bit tired too).

Quite often he plays these shots when he's surprised by the ball.

It's surely a drawback but I don't think it's a tactical problem, more a movement and game problem.

Mjau!
05-01-2010, 08:06 PM
:haha: :haha:

What? Rafa's tards have been telling me that Nadal is better than ever when I argued that he's actually not playing that well at the moment. Who am I to question them?

tangerine_dream
05-01-2010, 08:09 PM
Gulbis is gorgeous And the next Safin
:worship: :bowdown:
The hair is there already, along with the atittude! ;)

And the penchant for STD-carrying whores.

MrChopin
05-01-2010, 08:14 PM
Sad how Fedtards cannot appreciate greatness when they see it. :sad:

That must be why they've never warmed up to Roddick.

duong
05-01-2010, 08:14 PM
The serious question has not been mentionned in this thread.

How Nadal came from playing some awesome tennis, near his best and near perfection at MC where nothing could hurt him to playing so badly in Roma?

It is because of the same reason he pulled out of barcelona?

I wonder about the same, except that I think he played better and still great previous matches in Roma.

Today, he made some strange errors in second set and was less aggressive overall.

I think blisters can play a role in that.

His movement (I think of his knees ;) ) was not that bad in the end, as show some defenses he made.

duong
05-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Nadal is going to have real problems beating Gulbis on anything other than clay ever in his career at this point. Gulbis has the serve, can expose Nadal's declined movement, can take Nadal off the baseline and catch him deep behind the baseline with drop shots, can volley, can defend decently, and of course can hit through him. If Gulbis were a little more consistent he could have won this match, but once he gets a little more experience playing guys like this in these types of atmospheres and he continues to get better, he will be a force.

yes but I don't think he's the worst match-up for Nadal as it has been said.

You need to be a little more consistent and have a better movement for that.

I still think Del Potro and Söderling are worse match-ups.

Today Gulbis served great, which gave this impression. But when he didn't serve that great, his consistency and movement problems appeared, even though Nadal was not as aggressive as previous days.

Aenea
05-01-2010, 08:18 PM
A fit Del Potro would have ripped Nadal apart today!

A fit Del Potro, a fit Soderling, a fit blablabla... :rolleyes:

woulda shoulda coulda don't get the work done. stop whining.

duong
05-01-2010, 08:20 PM
Say the guy who called me a troll when I spotted Nadal low level at Roma in his match against Hanescu.

he played better against Hanescu ;)

Anyway, if you said his level was like in WTF :haha:

Vida
05-01-2010, 08:20 PM
passed are the days when top two or three players could beat anyone anytime.

duong
05-01-2010, 08:24 PM
Let's see:
Monte Carlo:
R1= bye
R2=bye
R3=bye
QF=out of gass Ferrero
Sf=Ferrer
F=bye

Rome:
R1=bye
R2=average Kohli
R3=a very good Hănescu
Qf= a very good Wawrinka in the first set
SF= in form ballbasher

Notice any diffrence ?

quite true + faster clay

Nadal has always had much easier matches in Monte-Carlo than in Roma, it's like that every year :shrug:

Ferrer and Verdasco were bad against him in Monte-Carlo, Ferrero was good but not Ferrer and Verdasco.

andy neyer
05-01-2010, 08:28 PM
Nadal played pretty bad today but even when he has lost the second set I knew that Clownbis would find a way to clown out the match at the end.


It's a shame, really -because Nadal didn't play well but Gulbis just couldn't take the advantage of that. At least he took a set off him -which was a lot more than what I was expecting.

andy neyer
05-01-2010, 08:29 PM
passed are the days when top two or three players could beat anyone anytime.

Nadal on clay is still pretty much unbeatable about 99% of the times.

duong
05-01-2010, 08:29 PM
"I shitted my pants during the last game, sorry for my language"

not at all as much as against Federer : it was completely different

(although I think Gulbis's level in second and third set against Federer was near to today's, a little bit less good apart from these final games)

Gulbis didn't shit in his pants, maybe played a little bit less well in that final game, esp on serve, but most of all Nadal won it.

Actually Nadal had had many break points in previous games, and in these final games he raised much his defense level.

Gulbis was surprised by these defenses, that's why he played these dropshots which were not intentional ones actually.

But his mental was admirable in this match, apart from first set.