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Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

DJ Soup
04-30-2010, 11:00 PM
Gulbis, Del Potro, Cilic are from the new generation of tall, power baseline players.

In this thread: Compare how they are similar and how they differ from each other.

Voo de Mar
04-30-2010, 11:10 PM
From statistical point of view, tournaments played/tournaments won:

Gulbis - 71/1
Del Potro - 84/7
Cilic - 77/5

Filo V.
04-30-2010, 11:10 PM
Cilic doesn't play like Del Potro or Gulbis, he's less ballbasher-ish than them.

Cilic and Gulbis will come to the net and hit drop shots, whereas Del Potro mostly just smashes balls at the baseline. Del Potro has the best baseline game, as he hits hard, heavy and is more consistent.

Del Potro has a huge forehand and backhand and hits both with consistency, both Cilic and Gulbis are more backhand dominant.

Cilic has more variety than both Del Po and Gulbis.

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic, and smarter than Gulbis.

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.

Voo de Mar
04-30-2010, 11:12 PM
Cilic doesn't play like Del Potro or Gulbis, he's less ballbasher-ish than them.

Cilic and Gulbis will come to the net and hit drop shots, whereas Del Potro mostly just smashes balls at the baseline. Del Potro has the best baseline game, as he hits hard, heavy and is more consistent.

Del Potro has a huge forehand and backhand and hits both with consistency, both Cilic and Gulbis are more backhand dominant.

Cilic has more variety than both Del Po and Gulbis.

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic, and smarter than Gulbis.

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.

Good analysis, I agree excluding two points:

- Cilic hits dropshots
- Cilic has more variety than other two

Stefwhit
04-30-2010, 11:23 PM
^but Cilic does have more variety than the other two! I fully agree with that statement!

Voo de Mar
04-30-2010, 11:30 PM
^ Maybe more than Del Potro, IMO definitely not more than Gulbis.

Filo V.
04-30-2010, 11:31 PM
Good analysis, I agree excluding two points:

- Cilic hits dropshots
- Cilic has more variety than other two

I've seen Cilic use the drop shot quite a bit in matches, he definitely uses it, not a dramatic amount, but more than Del Potro. Obviously not on the same level as Gulbis, though.

Cilic definitely has more variety since he comes to net more, slices the backhand more, can hit slice or kick or flatten serves, can play more or less offensive depending on the opponent and how he is playing etc. Gulbis has a little bit of variety, and Del Potro has one basic style of play.

rocketassist
04-30-2010, 11:33 PM
Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker :haha: Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.

Voo de Mar
04-30-2010, 11:39 PM
I've seen Cilic use the drop shot quite a bit in matches, he definitely uses it, not a dramatic amount, but more than Del Potro. Obviously not on the same level as Gulbis, though.

Cilic definitely has more variety since he comes to net more, slices the backhand more, can hit slice or kick or flatten serves, can play more or less offensive depending on the opponent and how he is playing etc. Gulbis has a little bit of variety, and Del Potro has one basic style of play.

Based on my observations, Cilic and Gulbis go to the net with similar frequency and use slices with similar frequency as well, Gulbis has more variety because of his great touch at playing drop-shots, especially from the backhand side. Dropshot is a weapon which IMO distinguishes Gulbis as a more varied player. Anyway these observations are always subjective, especially when consider players with - relatively - small experience (below 100 tournaments played).

DJ Soup
04-30-2010, 11:50 PM
we can also say that Gulbis and Del Potro are more comfy on clay than Cilic. And maybe, Delpo's even more than Gulbis.

Also, Delpo has more touch than what you are making it seem. His drops, stop volleys (specially) and lobs are quite pleasant.
Thing is he already has a winning game, so he doesn't need that much variety, although he said repeated times that he wants to S&V more.

What about the mental level?

Delpo's mental strength is on a completely other level compared to the other 2. It can only be compared with vintage Nadal.
Gulbis mental part is getting better now thanks to Gumy

Voo de Mar
04-30-2010, 11:56 PM
What about the mental level?


Yes, that's interesting issue :) Analyzing career each of them I noticed that all were struggling mentally in tight situations in the first years of professional career. Del Potro and Cilic matured earlier than Gulbis, I've got an impression that they look older than the Latvian... I wrote on MTF a couple times that looking at scorelines last year, Del Potro was the strongest mentally player on the tour. Cilic has improved the mental department since the second part of last season, Gulbis did the same since last autumn when began working with Gumy.

Bilbo
05-01-2010, 12:25 AM
gulbis is the real deal out of those

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 12:52 AM
Gulbis is not the real deal. He is an inconsistent ballbasher. He never beat Nadal. Del Potro and Cilic have.

tennishero
05-01-2010, 12:57 AM
Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker :haha: Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.

this has to be one of the most biased and retarded comments i'v seen, especially coming from someone with an isner avatar LOL!

in terms of talent i think its gulbis, del potro, then cilic..
wacks it down the middle? not a risk taker? i wont even bother arguing with that bullshit.
as for worst slam winner, only player to beat rafa and federer in a slam.

malisha
05-01-2010, 12:58 AM
Cilic will come to the net

Gulbis has the hardest second serve since he hits it like a first serve, but Del Potro has the best serve of the three because he hits it harder than Cilic

Gulbis moves better than Cilic and Del Potro.

Rarely..one of his biggest weakness is thet he doesnt follow a good shot with a net approach...expecially after a good forehand...he needs to construct points over and over again on clay for example as good claycourters are able to moonball the heavy shot back...he wolud win 90% of those points if he follows the shot at the net like Isner for example..he is working on it with Goran..i think he can teach him some tricks with volleys

Hardest yeah but like you said its not second serve..Cilic have the best second serve which is connected with his low 1. serve %
Good kick and often near the line(small amount of DF-s with a risky serve like that)..so for me Gulbis have the best first serve and Cilic second serve...Pony is the most consistent server though

I think both Cilic and Pony move quite fast for their height just like Erno...cant see a big difference there to be honest

malisha
05-01-2010, 01:05 AM
Gulbis is not the real deal. He is an inconsistent ballbasher. He never beat Nadal. Del Potro and Cilic have.

Gulbis started to play(practise and live) serious tennis few months ago

ill wait till they meet in Cincy or US Open this year;)

malisha
05-01-2010, 01:07 AM
wacks it down the middle? not a risk taker? i wont even bother arguing with that bullshit.


its not a bad thing that he takes less risk in his game than the other two

but its a fact

Voo de Mar
05-01-2010, 01:14 AM
Gulbis has powerful 1st serve and makes astonishingly few double faults despite fast 2nd serve but should still work a lot on both serves. His first serve reminds me a little bit Roddick's serve in the middle 00's, especially on "deuce court", sometimes it's 220 km/h but easy to receive with backhand slice (for a right handed opponent). Gulbis should try to hit 1st serve with bigger variety and improve kick-serve on 2nd serve, when he'll begin to serve aces with 170-180 km/h, his serve will be amazingly effective on faster surfaces than clay.

Har-Tru
05-01-2010, 01:40 AM
The three of them are rather dull, DPot especially. BANG hard to the right, BANG hard to the left, BANG hard to the right... :zzz:

DrJules
05-01-2010, 07:01 AM
Del Potro is mentally stronger and this has and will show in his results if not injured.

samanosuke
05-01-2010, 07:32 AM
Del Potro>>>>>>>Cilic>Gulbis

ossie
05-01-2010, 09:41 AM
delpotro is on a whole other level than those clowns

tennishero
05-01-2010, 10:39 AM
its not a bad thing that he takes less risk in his game than the other two

but its a fact

sorry but i disagree, i think he takes a lot of risk by hitting his huge flat groundstrokes.

this is fact:

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look at 2:20 lol

Certinfy
05-01-2010, 10:49 AM
comparing del potro to those 2 mugs is disgraceful...

paseo
05-01-2010, 02:45 PM
The three of them are rather dull, DPot especially. BANG hard to the right, BANG hard to the left, BANG hard to the right... :zzz:

Yeah. Of course it's a lot nicer to watch BANG moonball to the right, BANG moonball to the left, BANG moonball to the right...:D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

philosophicalarf
05-01-2010, 03:47 PM
sorry but i disagree, i think he takes a lot of risk by hitting his huge flat groundstrokes.


I guess it depends how you define risk. For him, that net clearance really isn't much of a gamble - his error rate is extraordinary given how hard and flat he hits it.

quiron
05-01-2010, 03:50 PM
comparing del potro to those 2 mugs is disgraceful...

;)

Guy Haines
05-01-2010, 04:27 PM
These three all (I hope) have their best moments ahead. Along with Nadal and absent Simon, they're my favorite players on tour.

It's great to see Ernests play smart, inspired tennis. His success on clay involves more than just wacking the ball left and right. Novak could learn from his well-timed use of the drop shot.

DJ Soup
05-01-2010, 05:12 PM
I guess it depends how you define risk. For him, that net clearance really isn't much of a gamble - his error rate is extraordinary given how hard and flat he hits it.

so, that's a huge talent he has.

brent-o
05-01-2010, 05:24 PM
Um, let's not get carried away with throwing Gulbis in with Cilic and Del Potro. He had one good tournament, but how quickly we forget how unbelievably bad he was for the last few months...

But I suppose to weigh in on the topic, Del Potro is an incredibly consistent heavy-hitter, Marin less so, and Gulbis even less so.

Goldenoldie
05-01-2010, 05:41 PM
Del Potro is a winner, the other two are losers.
Kindergarten argument

analysist
05-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker :haha: Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.
:worship:
2-2-2 at the US Open Semi vs Rafito a.k.a Matador Clay Goat
6-2 last set in the final against ultimate perfect player a.k.a GOAT chance-holder in the surface that he never lose Clay Death, and won 5 consecutive titles
is he that lucky ?:wavey:s

Gulbis is far from Delpo, the only thing he can compare Delboy is the server:wavey:

philosophicalarf
05-01-2010, 06:34 PM
so, that's a huge talent he has.

Yes, clearly.

DJ Soup
05-01-2010, 06:47 PM
Yes, clearly.

rocketassist seems to differ
*chuckles*

duong
05-01-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm surprised that people say that Gulbis moves better than the other two.

He's smaller but I don't see his movement as better.

Also DelPo's big quality is that when he's not well positioned on the ball, he's still able to hit a good shot, whereas Gulbis just doesn't know what to do when he's not in a good position :shrug: (it's what happened in the end today against Nadal when he made those strange dropshots, imo because he didn't know what to do)

Gulbis is the most powerful, best serve (zapart from dropshots, I think he has rather less variety and point thinking than the others ;) ),

Cilic the most elegant,

but apart from that, Del Potro has the strongest mental, consistency, maybe not movement but at least the best defense and ability to play when he's not well positioned on the ball.

When you're better in all of these fields mental-consistency-movement-defense, you have a strong advantage :shrug:

I also think people underrate Del Potro's ability for volleys : he's less elegant than Cilic and Gulbis but quite as effective : he can be trusted on this shot, whereas Gulbis abuses kinds of drop volleys and doesn't really know what to do with the ball.

I always think it's very important to be effective on volley and do the right shot : for instance Tsonga isconsidered as a good volleyer while he often makes a bad choice, esp kinds of short volleys which is not short enough for the opponent.

I find Del Potro esp effective even though not elegant on that shot.

But Cilic has the best volley of the three imo.

When you see Del Potro play against Cilic, you see how similar they are ... but what usually makes the difference in favour of Del Potro is both the mental and the defense.

To conclude in my opinion :

Del Potro > Cilic > Gulbis

because that's also their ranking for mental and consistency, which are hugely important in modern tennis.

By the way, in the same generation there's also a fourth very powerful baseliner, the biggest ballbasher a little bit ahead of Gulbis (when I talk about bashes) : it's Korolev ;)

He might also make a few good results in the future.

Commander Data
05-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Del Potro is mentally strongest and has the best ground strokes. Potro has a Slam :lol:

philosophicalarf
05-01-2010, 10:02 PM
because that's also their ranking for mental and consistency, which are hugely important in modern tennis.

By the way, in the same generation there's also a fourth very powerful baseliner, the biggest ballbasher a little bit ahead of Gulbis (when I talk about bashes) : it's Korolev ;)



Seems to be going backwards though :-( Also he doesn't have the same serve platform Gulbis does - either in first serve bombs, first serve %, or the second serve penetration. Against Volandri he'd have lost but for that, as the groundstroke errors started spraying the serve stayed strong.