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Rome QF: Nadal def. Wawrinka 6-4 6-1

Luinir
04-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Another good win.

Fiberlight1
04-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Fun stuff

Surcouf
04-30-2010, 05:57 PM
Good win. Wawrinka came out gun blazing and Nadal could not return his serve and struggled. Then he picked up his level and Wawrinka started to fad. Nadal is definitely not as sharp as in MC but still the best clay player, by far.

r2473
04-30-2010, 05:57 PM
Re: www Rome QF: Nadal vs Wawrinka ?

I think the over / under is 5.5 games in this one.

Guess it was the unders (but not a bad line I put up, huh?).

Guga_fan
04-30-2010, 05:57 PM
Stan had his chances in the 1st, didn't take it and payed for it

ImmzB
04-30-2010, 05:57 PM
Vamos Rafa!!

Commander Data
04-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Nadal is an animal. congrats!

RagingLamb
04-30-2010, 05:58 PM
It was pretty tight until the 1st game in the second set. But after Stan got broken in the second his game faded away.

Very close in the first though. Nadal actually had it tougher in the first than Stan.

federernadalfan
04-30-2010, 05:59 PM
expected nid

Fedicilous
04-30-2010, 05:59 PM
This guy is a monster.
I don't know what tennis you need to play to defeat healthy Nadal.
It's enormous.

Priam
04-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Unreal level for Stan in the first set. Serve and groundies were clicking, just couldn't capitalize on all those deuce games on Rafa's serve. NID though.

rafa_maniac
04-30-2010, 06:00 PM
Amazing start by Stan and rather ho-hum by Rafa, then he turned the screws in when up 5-4 and steamrolled his way through the 2nd producing the same level in that set as we saw yesterday. On to the semis champ :rocker2:

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 06:00 PM
Vamos Rafa!!! Great performance, especially in the second.

Stan the man was playing out of this world in the first but Nadal has much more experience and much more consistency and that is why this ended in two fairly easy sets. Had Stan played against any other opponent he would have won that first set.

I am very happy with the quality of the matches today! Some amazing tennis, I am glad I was not at work!

Priam
04-30-2010, 06:01 PM
It's up to Ernests now to tame the raging bull.

Pirata.
04-30-2010, 06:02 PM
Stan :hug:

Wish he'd put up more of a fight in the second, this match had a lot of potential to be a thriller.

Selby
04-30-2010, 06:02 PM
For me Wawrinka in the 1st set was almost like aמ emulation of Soderling in the French Open, he played in same way and in the same level and yet Nadal still took the set!

Priam
04-30-2010, 06:04 PM
Sod hits the ball harder and it penetrates more. Wawa's BH is crazy though.

Surcouf
04-30-2010, 06:05 PM
Soderling would have taken a beating.

NicoMedellin
04-30-2010, 06:06 PM
Great Match...pretty tight in the first...but rafa plays very cleaver and then stan cracks!!!
Now rafa is going to win all the way...cause I don't think that gulbis could win rafa on clay...and we all know that all the other spanishs ara rafa bitches!!!

Tennisman82
04-30-2010, 06:08 PM
For me Wawrinka in the 1st set was almost like aמ emulation of Soderling in the French Open, he played in same way and in the same level and yet Nadal still took the set!

I think Wawrinka tends to become mentally suspect in tight situations and just isn't consistent enough for someone of Nadal's calibre.

Nadal is looking unstoppable at the moment. I think this is the most aggressive I've ever seen Nadal play on clay.

Tennisman82.

alter ego
04-30-2010, 06:09 PM
This guy is a monster.
I don't know what tennis you need to play to defeat healthy Nadal.
It's enormous.

Exploit his 2 serve, hit the ball very hard ( a la Soderling, Del Potro) so he won't have time to hit those very heavy top spins FHs, 1st serve over 65%, come to the net at the right time, tank games you are not getting anything out of, so you can avoid the fatigue issue. And most import thing, stay consistent throught the whole match.
Nadal isn't going to lose to non-top 10 players, but an in form Del Potro, Davydenko, Federer, Soderling could beat him.

ossie
04-30-2010, 06:10 PM
hot damn rafa stan played out of this world yet you only gave away 5 games. phenomenal first set from stan couldnt keep it up when rafa upped his game though dont see any1 else challenging rafa really

Jimnik
04-30-2010, 06:10 PM
2nd time Rafa lost more than 3 games in one set this clay season. Already starting to lose it.

r2473
04-30-2010, 06:14 PM
2nd time Rafa lost more than 3 games in one set this clay season. Already starting to lose it.

Transitional clay court GOAT.

Priam
04-30-2010, 06:17 PM
I hope Rafa plays a top 5 player soon. Damn djoker.

moonlightdance
04-30-2010, 06:17 PM
vamos rafa

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 06:22 PM
Exploit his 2 serve, hit the ball very hard ( a la Soderling, Del Potro) so he won't have time to hit those very heavy top spins FHs, 1st serve over 65%, come to the net at the right time, tank games you are not getting anything out of, so you can avoid the fatigue issue. And most import thing, stay consistent throught the whole match.
Nadal isn't going to lose to non-top 10 players, but an in form Del Potro, Davydenko, Federer, Soderling good beat him.


Davydenko who has not reached a SF in any Clay Masters Tourney or Roland Garros in more than two years. Really???:rolleyes: LOL Del Potro I do not know, he has not proven himself on clay yet and like I said for me Del Potro is overrated on clay and underrated on everything else. Federer is the only one that has done it more than once to a healthy Nadal but I do not see it happening to this Nadal, not when he is playing at this level. Its impossible. Winning 3/5 sets from this Nadal is impossible.

malisha
04-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Winning 3/5 sets from this Nadal is impossible.

possible

very much

spanish_army
04-30-2010, 06:30 PM
Clay is Spanish Territory.

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 06:31 PM
possible

very much

Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you will believe it.;)

No one can touch peak Nadal on clay(and he has not even shown his peak yet this year).
Wait till Roland Garros you guys will hate him even more.:p

andy neyer
04-30-2010, 06:35 PM
6-4, 6-1 if I play awful match, no?

Mjau!
04-30-2010, 06:37 PM
Nice first set from Stan. I think he actually won more points than Nadal.

Fedal need to to work on their on court attitude. Federer is always sulking around out there and Rafa looks so pissed all the time. It's very off-putting.

malisha
04-30-2010, 06:46 PM
Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you will believe it.;)

No one can touch peak Nadal on clay(and he has not even shown his peak yet this year).
Wait till Roland Garros you guys will hate him even more.:p

lol mate

i do not hate anyone...i like to watch in form Nadal

just saying its possible to beat him..thats all

Commander Data
04-30-2010, 06:47 PM
possible

very much

The facts say otherwise. Nadal in good form has never been beaten on clay 3 out of 5. that is prove that it is not very much possible. only maybe possible if a miracle happens.

malisha
04-30-2010, 06:49 PM
ok...not very much..but...i still think its possible

yes one sholud play a match of his life...be in stunning form and full of confidance...but i think any player is beatable..including Nadal on clay in 5 sets

alter ego
04-30-2010, 06:50 PM
It's impossible. Winning 3/5 sets from this Nadal is impossible.

The whole idea of professional tennis is not to let your opponent play his best tennis. Of course if you play cat and mouse against Nadal on clay you have no chance.(Only peak Federer could do it in Hamburg 2007, in Madrid it was much more tactical thus the ugliest match between them). The point is to take Nadal out of his comfort zone.

But obviously only few players have the necessary weapons to do it. First two are Del Po and Soderling because these guys are the only ones who can hit through Nadal's defence with both the FH and BH, and they have huge serves. Another one is Fed of course.

Davydenko since the last meetings on clay against Nadal has improve his net game a lot. Those stop volleys are incredible and for me that shot is the most effective one on clay against Nadal, because he stands so much behind the baseline.

duong
04-30-2010, 06:50 PM
Nice first set from Stan. I think he actually won more points than Nadal.


no (one less), but he won twice more points on Nadal's serve than the opposite (12 to 6, 33% to 25%)

Great admirable match by Wawrinka :yeah:

Nadal plays as well as he did in Roland-Garros 2008, but in every match since the beginning of the clay season he had never done it before any year imo.

People can't speak about the opposition, which is indeed not very good on clay this year, apart from Wawrinka today.

But Nadal's level of play doesn't lie ;)

( :secret: I agree with you about Nadal's face, the toro is furious, but some don't like it, I think )

malisha
04-30-2010, 06:53 PM
No one can touch peak Nadal on clay(and he has not even shown his peak yet this year).


sorry but i have to ask you something....hopefully you wont get offended as i do not want to hurt your feelings
Is this a double account?

Bazooka?

duong
04-30-2010, 06:57 PM
Winning 3/5 sets from this Nadal is impossible.

no this Nadal it's impossible, but I had never seen this one apart from Roland-Garros 2008

... and he has to keep that form all til Roland-Garros, including playing at least 3 sets in 7 matches, and well, it's not certain he can hold that level so long :shrug:

But don't say that he has not reached his peak yet : what better could he do ? :haha:

Har-Tru
04-30-2010, 06:57 PM
AO Federer can beat this Nadal.

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 06:58 PM
sorry but i have to ask you something....hopefully you wont get offended as i do not want to hurt your feelings
Is this a double account?

Bazooka?

No offense taken but no. Do not even know who that is.;)

Dyraise
04-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Great from Rafa but he will win his second M1000 in a row without facing top 8 players.

duong
04-30-2010, 06:59 PM
AO Federer can beat this Nadal.

no he could maybe win one set, as he did 6-1 in 2006, but nothing more :

Nadal is better than in 2006 and AO Federer is not as good as 2006's

spanish_army
04-30-2010, 07:00 PM
The facts say otherwise. Nadal in good form has never been beaten on clay 3 out of 5. that is prove that it is not very much possible. only maybe possible if a miracle happens.

Federer can but only in his best version on clay.

malisha
04-30-2010, 07:01 PM
No offense taken but no. Do not even know who that is.;)

ok

cheers

Har-Tru
04-30-2010, 07:01 PM
no he could maybe win one set, as he did 6-1 in 2006, but nothing more :

Nadal is better than in 2006 and AO Federer is not as good as 2006's

Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.

It astonishes me how people fail to see the whole picture (not talking about you). Nadal has dropped his level since MC, his knees are probably dancing their last waltz.

Federer has been my pick for RG since October last year. We'll see.

Commander Data
04-30-2010, 07:01 PM
ok...not very much..but...i still think its possible

yes one sholud play a match of his life...be in stunning form and full of confidance...but i think any player is beatable..including Nadal on clay in 5 sets

agreed. Possible but very hard. like beating peak Federer on grass, close to impossible..

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 07:04 PM
Great from Rafa but he will win his second M1000 in a row without facing top 8 players.



Yeah, true but its not his fault that currently the best players on clay are mostly not in the top 8 and they can't even reach the final 8. I hope he meets a top 8 soon, maybe Madrid or Roland Garros. I hope all the top players raise their game for the French.

duong
04-30-2010, 07:05 PM
Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.

He hits the ball more powerfully, has improved his aggressive backhands and flat shots sometimes.

His serve has also improved a little bit, his volley ..

He may be less good on defense, it's possible, but attacking him before he attacks you is very hard.

his knees are probably dancing their last waltz.

I'm not fully confident about them either, and not sure he can hold this level but if he holds that, it's great :shrug:

duong
04-30-2010, 07:07 PM
I hope all the top players raise their game for the French.

Del Potro and Davydenko will not :shrug:

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 07:07 PM
agreed. Possible but very hard. like beating peak Federer on grass, close to impossible..

Exactly!

gorgo1986
04-30-2010, 07:09 PM
Del Potro and Davydenko will not :shrug:



Well I still hope Davydenko at least makes it to the French. I wanna see some good matches this year. Del Potro is doubtful.:confused:

duong
04-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Well I still hope Davydenko at least makes it to the French. I wanna see some good matches this year. Del Potro is doubtful.:confused:

even if Davydenko comes, don't expect him to be at his best : he withdrew from Estoril again :sad:

Dyraise
04-30-2010, 07:15 PM
Yeah, true but its not his fault that currently the best players on clay are mostly not in the top 8 and they can't even reach the final 8. I hope he meets a top 8 soon, maybe Madrid or Roland Garros. I hope all the top players raise their game for the French.

I hope that too :sad:.

Fiberlight1
04-30-2010, 07:30 PM
Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.

It astonishes me how people fail to see the whole picture (not talking about you). Nadal has dropped his level since MC, his knees are probably dancing their last waltz.

Federer has been my pick for RG since October last year. We'll see.

really? He's improved every year since 2006. Do you think he'd lose a set to PHM now?

Matt01
04-30-2010, 07:35 PM
Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.

It astonishes me how people fail to see the whole picture (not talking about you). Nadal has dropped his level since MC, his knees are probably dancing their last waltz.

Federer has been my pick for RG since October last year. We'll see.


:tape:

I think someone will be very disappointed by RG :hug:

centralviva
04-30-2010, 07:55 PM
Rafa just can't loose I can taste another title:bounce:

-Valhalla-
04-30-2010, 07:57 PM
A brilliant first set from Stan, but he was gradually worn down and by the end, he was a defeated, broken man. His tactics were spot on and he was striking the ball extremely well, but as is usually the case, it’s almost impossible to maintain that level over the course of 2-3 hours and on the premium points.

As for Rafa, what else is left that we haven’t already said? Well, what impressed me most today were the adjustments he made. He started out probing/trying to exploit Wawa’s backhand, but when he realized Stan was favoring the ad-court [fully expecting the high topspin], he began to go inside-out to the open deuce court to keep him honest. Things like this are what make Rafa so special. He’s able to think on his toes and THINK CLEARLY in the heat of battle, and then make the necessary adjustments ... not an easy thing to do. IMO, his court IQ is unrivaled in the game today.

danielmom
04-30-2010, 08:05 PM
Great from Rafa but he will win his second M1000 in a row without facing top 8 players.

It's not Rafa's fault that the rest of the top 8 are either injured or not playing well enough to reach a semi-final/final on clay.

habibko
04-30-2010, 08:33 PM
Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.

It astonishes me how people fail to see the whole picture (not talking about you). Nadal has dropped his level since MC, his knees are probably dancing their last waltz.

Federer has been my pick for RG since October last year. We'll see.

even if Nadal isn't as good as 2006, neither is Fed, and when both played to their limit Fed was 1 point away but Nadal got it done as we saw in 2006 Rome final, I can't see Federer playing a better match against Nadal on clay than that one.

however I believe Nadal's game has become more aggressive and is as tough to beat on clay as ever, even if his movement isn't as good as it was in his teen years.

alot has changed since October.

ossie
04-30-2010, 08:42 PM
A brilliant first set from Stan, but he was gradually worn down and by the end, he was a defeated, broken man. His tactics were spot on and he was striking the ball extremely well, but as is usually the case, it’s almost impossible to maintain that level over the course of 2-3 hours and on the premium points.

As for Rafa, what else is left that we haven’t already said? Well, what impressed me most today were the adjustments he made. He started out probing/trying to exploit Wawa’s backhand, but when he realized Stan was favoring the ad-court [fully expecting the high topspin], he began to go inside-out to the open deuce court to keep him honest. Things like this are what make Rafa so special. He’s able to think on his toes and THINK CLEARLY in the heat of battle, and then make the necessary adjustments ... not an easy thing to do. IMO, his court IQ is unrivaled in the game today.yea i really liked how he changed tactics midgame

Persimmon
04-30-2010, 08:49 PM
I hope he meets a top 8 soon, maybe Madrid.

Nadal is playing Madrid:spit:? In that case Rodge will win the FO, 100% sure.:secret:

Topspin Forehand
04-30-2010, 09:01 PM
Nadal is playing Madrid:spit:? In that case Rodge will win the FO, 100% sure.:secret:
I don't see fatigue as an issue for Nadal. He's won all his matches easily and even skipped Barcelona this time around.

Persimmon
04-30-2010, 09:02 PM
I don't see fatigue as an issue for Nadal. He's won all his matches easily and even skipped Barcelona this time around.

The issues are the knees and blisters:wavey:

Oh and the wisdom teeth.

Topspin Forehand
04-30-2010, 09:10 PM
The issues are the knees and blisters:wavey:

Oh and the wisdom teeth.
I know what the issues are and they aren't an issue so far since he's had it easy. Last year he had to play 3 weeks in a row and then play Madrid after only a week off after such a tense part of the schedule. So much easier with a week off between each tournament.

ossie
04-30-2010, 09:13 PM
rafa really shouldnt play madrid, if he does i hope he tanks in the first round or something. hes gonna need the rest he could barely give a hand to wawrinka and the umpire today because of the blisters dont know if any1 noticed.

Persimmon
04-30-2010, 09:41 PM
rafa really shouldnt play madrid, if he does i hope he tanks in the first round or something. hes gonna need the rest he could barely give a hand to wawrinka and the umpire today because of the blisters dont know if any1 noticed.

The hand needs rest. He even is using mercurochrome instead of iodine for the blisters probably because iodine stings:hysteric: much more than mercurochrome.

Filo V.
04-30-2010, 09:41 PM
This match is the perfect example of how so much better on clay Nadal is.

Wawrinka out played Rafa pretty much the entire first set, Rafa was around a B-/C+ level, and the beginning of the second set as well, but when push came to shove, Rafa turned up his level just a bit, and wiped Stan out. Stan played really really well and aggressive, and served well, and it didn't matter.

Rafa is super human on clay. Completely unbeatable at this point in time.

Filo V.
04-30-2010, 09:44 PM
Also, when Rafa gets aggressive on clay, there is absolutely no-one better on the offensive. He is so much better than everyone else on clay it's ridiculous.

l_mac
04-30-2010, 09:47 PM
Nadal on clay is definitely not as good as in 2006.


:lol:

He's a much, much better player on clay than he was in 2006.

His movement is not as good as it was then, but everything else is much better.

I thought he looked a bit off today :bigcry: lacking something in the legs, but still better than he looked last clay season. :D

Gnomey
04-30-2010, 09:47 PM
It's not Rafa's fault that the rest of the top 8 are either injured or not playing well enough to reach a semi-final/final on clay.
Good. Now if only people could say this when comparing Fed and Nadal's GS h2h.

duong
04-30-2010, 09:59 PM
rafa really shouldnt play madrid, if he does i hope he tanks in the first round or something. hes gonna need the rest he could barely give a hand to wawrinka and the umpire today because of the blisters dont know if any1 noticed.

Stan and Lahyani's hand are far softer than his grip when he hits :lol:

Valhalla about your signature : corridas are forbidden in France, no toro in Paris ;) :haha:

Dyraise
04-30-2010, 10:08 PM
It's not Rafa's fault that the rest of the top 8 are either injured or not playing well enough to reach a semi-final/final on clay.

I know, i did say that. It was just a fact that I wanted to share with you (and surely many had noticed).

n8
04-30-2010, 11:51 PM
_hk3EIWqguU

Har-Tru
05-01-2010, 01:24 AM
really? He's improved every year since 2006. Do you think he'd lose a set to PHM now?

No, but he'd lose to AO Final Federer.

:tape:

I think someone will be very disappointed by RG :hug:

I'm not a Fedfan... bah forget it.

even if Nadal isn't as good as 2006, neither is Fed, and when both played to their limit Fed was 1 point away but Nadal got it done as we saw in 2006 Rome final, I can't see Federer playing a better match against Nadal on clay than that one.

however I believe Nadal's game has become more aggressive and is as tough to beat on clay as ever, even if his movement isn't as good as it was in his teen years.

alot has changed since October.

The only thing that has changed since October is the stuff under the players' shoes. Nothing to be neglected, granted.

:lol:

He's a much, much better player on clay than he was in 2006.

His movement is not as good as it was then, but everything else is much better.

I thought he looked a bit off today :bigcry: lacking something in the legs, but still better than he looked last clay season. :D

Definitely better than he looked last clay season, one only has to look at where his balls landed. Still more vulnerable than before last season.

HarryMan
05-01-2010, 02:08 AM
I was impressed with Wawrinka's performance. He played an excellent first set but the level of play has to last throughout the match for each and every point to stand a chance against Nadal.

About Nadal, he is just in a different league on this surface.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 03:14 AM
A song for Stan. lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7ASaAA55g
LI7ASaAA55g

NADALbULLS
05-01-2010, 08:13 AM
I too was impressed with Wawrinka's performance, he made Nadal play defense for a lot of that 1st set.

FSRteam
05-01-2010, 09:28 AM
Good. Now if only people could say this when comparing Fed and Nadal's GS h2h.

SPOT ON...

FSRteam
05-01-2010, 09:37 AM
_hk3EIWqguU

Funny to see how rafa is grunting so loudly throughout the 1st set and then, once it's in the pocket, no more grunting...

Tactical?!?

Aaric
05-01-2010, 01:43 PM
Expected :shrug:
Still good tourney for Stan

Guga_fan
05-01-2010, 02:22 PM
This match is the perfect example of how so much better on clay Nadal is.

Wawrinka out played Rafa pretty much the entire first set, Rafa was around a B-/C+ level, and the beginning of the second set as well, but when push came to shove, Rafa turned up his level just a bit, and wiped Stan out. Stan played really really well and aggressive, and served well, and it didn't matter.

Rafa is super human on clay. Completely unbeatable at this point in time.
That's not what happened, Stan was serving really well in the first and making less errors. Nadal upped his game in the 2nd set, but that's not the only reason why it was 6-1.

Deivid23
05-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Not good enough from Rafa

Filo V.
05-01-2010, 03:05 PM
That's not what happened, Stan was serving really well in the first and making less errors. Nadal upped his game in the 2nd set, but that's not the only reason why it was 6-1.

The fact Nadal upped his game and took the first set from Wawrinka is what caused Wawrinka to start feeling deflated and dropping his level. Rafa was being outplayed throughout the first set, and then on his first serve game in the second he was down break point. But every time he needed it, Rafa came up with a great point and basically beat Stan to the ground. That is why it was 6-1, Rafa broke Stan's will.

Topspin Forehand
05-01-2010, 05:55 PM
Funny to see how rafa is grunting so loudly throughout the 1st set and then, once it's in the pocket, no more grunting...

Tactical?!?
It's called concentrating. You grunt louder the more you are focused.