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Rome R3: Ferrer def Murray 6-3 6-4

rocketassist
04-29-2010, 05:39 PM
N.I.D

Murray didn't play too badly at times but way too short on the crosscourt BH, Ferrer got too many inside out FHs. That smash at 3-3 :help:

Pics was solid enough. Better player won, but Murray was quite close.

tangerine_dream
04-29-2010, 05:39 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2i0avic.jpg

Vamos Dahveed. :cool:

Nacho
04-29-2010, 05:40 PM
it was a really entertaining match!

pics :worship:

iriraz
04-29-2010, 05:42 PM
Murray played way better then in his last few tournaments but it was obvious he was the underdog from the start and in the end Ferrer was much more solid

malisha
04-29-2010, 05:43 PM
solid from Andrew

but it wasnt good enough

Aenea
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
NID.
Very entertaining match :)

Murray not up there yet on clay. He never had a chance against someone like Ferrer on this surface.

Fedicilous
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
Another servant in quarters.

Nadal must feel comfortable.

tyruk14
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
The better clay-courter won today.

Murray's serve is too inconsistent, even on this surface.

r2473
04-29-2010, 05:44 PM
pics!!

http://www2.tennisserver.com/images/meaney/070607/DavidFerrer.jpg

DJ Soup
04-29-2010, 05:46 PM
Another servant in quarters.

Nadal must feel comfortable.

What were you expecting?
Murray can't touch Nadal on clay.

Arkulari
04-29-2010, 05:55 PM
expected, any decent claycourter can derail Murray ;)

Mats68
04-29-2010, 05:58 PM
I don't get it. Did he think he could outlast Ferrer playing defense ?
What is he paying Corretja for, to tell him to keep the ball in play? What was all the slicing about? Ferrer was comfortable, he didn't even play a great match.
If Murray's ambition is to win a couple of matches here and there on clay, perhaps reaching the third round at RG, then he's on the right track. But I would think someone like him would try to play far more offensive: the way he played Nadal at the AO and at MC 2009.

philosophicalarf
04-29-2010, 05:59 PM
Ferrer was the usual beastly stuff, save for some wobbles when ahead.

Murray couldn't serve most of the match, first set was something like 30%. Way too many basic errors too, and yeah ......that smash to hold at *3-3. Was slightly the better player in the 2nd set till that point, holding pretty easily and pushing Ferrer on serve.

batavlada
04-29-2010, 06:01 PM
push, push, push. out.

prima donna
04-29-2010, 06:06 PM
Good riddance, Andrew.

gorgo1986
04-29-2010, 06:08 PM
Ferrer was not even playing at 70% and he still won very comfortably. Murray is very vulnerable at the moment, talking to himself, laughing to himself, making faces, it was like watching the exorcist. Solid win by Ferrer.

Nichele Hull
04-29-2010, 06:08 PM
The better pusher won

-Valhalla-
04-29-2010, 06:09 PM
Another good match. Although the outcome was never much in doubt after the 1st set, there were some great rallies and clean ball-striking. In the end, Ferrer gave Murray a lesson in clay court tennis.

Fedicilous
04-29-2010, 06:12 PM
I don't get it. Did he think he could outlast Ferrer playing defense ?


Nadal is a defender and smashes Ferrer everytime. It was worth to try for Murray.

malisha
04-29-2010, 06:12 PM
Nadal is a defender and smashes Ferrer everytime. It was worth to try for Murray.

agreed

jonathancrane
04-29-2010, 06:12 PM
Expected

sheva07
04-29-2010, 06:14 PM
Good for tennis. Well done, David.

Persimmon
04-29-2010, 06:14 PM
Ferrer:bounce::rocker2::rocker:

rocketassist
04-29-2010, 06:15 PM
push, push, push. out.

Ferrer owns Nole on clay. I'd be gutted if I was a Serb. At least he won't get to redress the h 2 h.

ossie
04-29-2010, 06:16 PM
murray :haha:

seriously its time to man up and start playing like you care again

djb84xi
04-29-2010, 06:23 PM
Muzz played a bit more aggressive in the 2nd set, but too little too late for him. Ferrer is a lot tougher than some people realize. He definitely has game, a serious grinder, but lacks the consistency it takes in an entire season to really be a threat to all the top players.

Nice to see him pick up the win, because Murray is no grinder on this surface and as usual, when he sticks to defense against tougher players, he gets burned. Maybe Murray should play Estoril........because that would be the only way he can get a decent result on clay this season.

djb84xi
04-29-2010, 06:26 PM
murray :haha:

seriously its time to man up and start playing like you care again

I agree. He really needs to quit with the self-pity crap. It's getting old and tired. Other players have gotten over losses to Fed in a slam, so why can't he? I can easily see Muzz on the decline in the ranks if he doesn't get his head out of his narrow Scottish ass.

*Jean*
04-29-2010, 06:32 PM
David :hearts: Keep going!

Arkulari
04-29-2010, 06:49 PM
Nadal is a defender and smashes Ferrer everytime. It was worth to try for Murray.

DEFENDER, not a PUSHER
there is still a difference you know? ;)

JolánGagó
04-29-2010, 06:56 PM
Ferrer was not even playing at 70% and he still won very comfortably. Murray is very vulnerable at the moment, talking to himself, laughing to himself, making faces, it was like watching the exorcist. Solid win by Ferrer.

:rolls:

rocketassist
04-29-2010, 06:58 PM
DEFENDER, not a PUSHER
there is still a difference you know? ;)

Not a lot.

Vida
04-29-2010, 07:08 PM
ferrer :yeah: old school

murray is really flawed on clay. he doesnt move as well, nor can he deal with high balls well.

born_on_clay
04-29-2010, 07:25 PM
David :)

Goldenoldie
04-29-2010, 07:32 PM
NID as people said, but at least Murray showed some signs of life in this match. It's still a long way back though.

SetSampras
04-29-2010, 08:39 PM
No big surprise.. Ferrer is a decent clay courter.. Murray sucks.. Plain and Simple. Murray will be lucky to see a 3rd round at the french

fred perry
04-29-2010, 08:44 PM
Andy is going to have the "Todd Martin" talk with Alex tonight....

Ad Wim
04-29-2010, 08:48 PM
David, you beast!

Filo V.
04-29-2010, 08:54 PM
Andrew didn't serve well enough, and hit a few too many balls short, which means he was made to run quite a bit, and in general just wasn't quite sharp enough to win the match, but he did play quite a bit better than he has recently. He will need to pick it up a lot, however, to make a deep run in Paris.

David, good performance from one of the best clay court players of today. He's solid as a rock.

Filo V.
04-29-2010, 09:00 PM
Not a lot.

There is some difference. A defender will take an offensive position when given an opportunity. A pusher cannot do that effectively ever, and doesn't feel comfortable when doing so. A guy like Simon is pretty defensive and can be pushy at times, but he doesn't out and out push constantly every match to win points, he will take charge, turn defense into offense, and change direction with the ball to get players out of position. Murray doesn't do that enough. He does it playing Nadal, but not so often against other players.

Forehander
04-29-2010, 09:04 PM
Come on Murray... Don't just fold like that.

Corey Feldman
04-29-2010, 10:23 PM
expected result, expected performance

i'll copy and paste this for the next tournaments as well

rocketassist
04-29-2010, 10:38 PM
There is some difference. A defender will take an offensive position when given an opportunity. A pusher cannot do that effectively ever, and doesn't feel comfortable when doing so. A guy like Simon is pretty defensive and can be pushy at times, but he doesn't out and out push constantly every match to win points, he will take charge, turn defense into offense, and change direction with the ball to get players out of position. Murray doesn't do that enough. He does it playing Nadal, but not so often against other players.

Simon? :spit:

habibko
04-29-2010, 11:15 PM
Ferru :worship: :inlove:

the better clay-courter won :yeah:

cobalt60
04-29-2010, 11:31 PM
Oh nice.

Mats68
04-29-2010, 11:31 PM
Nadal is a defender and smashes Ferrer everytime. It was worth to try for Murray.

You must have missed the Nadal-Ferrer matches on clay (e.g. Barcelona '08; MC '10). Nadal puts constant pressure on Ferru, moving him relentlessly with deep heavy top spins and not allowing him to dominate with the inside out fh.
Today Murray was running like a rabbit from side to side 5m outside the court, defending and slicing a lot, hoping to get an UE from Ferru. This is not how today's top tennis works, Mr. Corretja. I see his game suffering an involution. I hope he changes coaching team soon because he ain't going anywhere

Filo V.
04-29-2010, 11:49 PM
Simon? :spit:

Watch Nadal at Madrid, Federer and Djokovic at Shanghai, and then come back to me.

Simon is less of a pusher than Murray is on the whole. He actually will do something with the ball when need be. At times Murray does, most of the time, he does nothing. Murray is the Wozniacki of the men's game, and she's the Murray of the female game. Both are the same, in that their fans act as if they aren't what they are, but the fact is, they both are, for the majority of their matches, pushers. It's also why both fail at majors. And it's why Murray won't ever be great on clay, among other factors.

Corey Feldman
04-29-2010, 11:50 PM
fanboy hating again

ExcaliburII
04-30-2010, 12:00 AM
trash cleaned.

Geo
04-30-2010, 01:11 AM
Ferrer :yeah: :hatoff: so glad he got it done in 2 sets.



Murray :wavey: :lol:

Persimmon
04-30-2010, 01:24 AM
Murray is very vulnerable at the moment, talking to himself, laughing to himself, making faces, it was like watching the exorcist.

:apumpkin:

~Maya~
04-30-2010, 02:05 AM
WTF is Ferrer doing winning in Rome???

freeandlonely
04-30-2010, 02:52 AM
Seems like a Murray lose on clay will never be news.

Roddickominator
04-30-2010, 04:10 AM
Bad draw for Murray...Pics is a tough little piggy on the clay.

zcess81
04-30-2010, 08:43 AM
Ferrer was not even playing at 70% and he still won very comfortably. Murray is very vulnerable at the moment, talking to himself, laughing to himself, making faces, it was like watching the exorcist. Solid win by Ferrer.

Even at his very best (which usually means HC), Murray was still gonna lose to even 70% Ferrer on clay. Murray is just not very good on clay and I suspect he never will be. He's 22 now and whatever surfaces don't suit him (i.e clay) never will. Maybe he'll reach RG semi in his career but that's it. He's not winning RG or any clay masters unless Ferrer, Fed, Nadal, Djoko, Ferrero, Verdasco, Soderling, Davydenko, Del Potro, Wawrinka, etc ALL retire tomorrow.

zcess81
04-30-2010, 08:45 AM
Nadal is a defender and smashes Ferrer everytime. It was worth to try for Murray.

Yes, but on clay Nadal is a MUCH, MUCH BETTER defender than Murray and that is the difference.

zcess81
04-30-2010, 08:47 AM
Ferrer owns Nole on clay. I'd be gutted if I was a Serb. At least he won't get to redress the h 2 h.

First Nole has to beat Verdasco THEN we can talk about difficulty of beating Ferrer (which it will be very difficult should they meet).

Horatio Caine
04-30-2010, 09:08 AM
expected result, expected performance

i'll copy and paste this for the next tournaments as well

:lol: :worship:

Didn't see it, but judging by the comments in here it sounds like Muzza played his usual game (for clay, that isn't such a concern) but with more fire in his belly...at least we had the latter.


Was interested in the point on the difference between defence and pushing...there is quite a difference imo. Compare Nadal and Murray. Nadal defends exceptionally well, not only in retrieval but also in the power, very heavy topspin, angle of some of his shots (could be seen as offensive, drawing opponent out of court) and even occasional depth. And then there's Muzza...hits at the speed of a junior player, doesn't particularly use angles, not a great deal of topspin, and often hits short.

The difference? Muzza's shots just ask to be hit, time and time again. And he doesn't have the incredible movement that Nadal has to be able to rescue some of the more hopeless situations.

Sadly I have to keep saying it (and this echoes the majority opinion)...how can Muzza hope to win a Slam playing as he does? Certainly to win the title match he will most probably have to actually play to WIN. How many Slams has a player like Robredo won?


Muzza should win some more matches when we enter the grass court season, but really he is going to struggle to end his title drought at Queen's, and I could see a premature exit at Wimbledon. :shrug:


Well done Ferru...needed a result like this at Masters level, and a few more strong performances on the European clay could put him an excellent position to challenge for year-end top 10. Vamos! :worship:

Noleta
04-30-2010, 11:57 AM
I thought he played much much better than MC/Miami,but Ferrer was always gonna be tough for him on clay.