Vicenza 15k Futures R2: Dusan Lajovic (q) Def. Bernard Tomic (6, WC) 6-1 6-4 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Vicenza 15k Futures R2: Dusan Lajovic (q) Def. Bernard Tomic (6, WC) 6-1 6-4

Radalek
04-28-2010, 01:08 PM
Bravo Duci :) .

Bargearse
04-28-2010, 01:12 PM
Bravo Duci :) .

:woohoo: So long Tomic! :woohoo:

Filo V.
04-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Expected result.

Fisico
04-28-2010, 01:40 PM
Hahahaha atomic bombs out

Forehander
04-28-2010, 01:42 PM
Haha :lol:

born_on_clay
04-28-2010, 02:12 PM
Bernard :o

Nathaliia
04-28-2010, 02:20 PM
Del Bonis is the only kid who delivers these days.

As they say in Russia, the more quiet you go, the further you'll be.

willoughby
04-28-2010, 02:24 PM
Haha :lol:

at least Tomic won a match this week, unlike that overrated mug known as GriGOAT, unable to win matches at challenger qualifying :haha:

oranges
04-28-2010, 02:38 PM
It was right in time of his bed time, otherwise, he'd have won

paseo
04-28-2010, 03:57 PM
Real Deal Tomic.

at least Tomic won a match this week, unlike that overrated mug known as GriGOAT, unable to win matches at challenger qualifying :haha:

challenger > Futures.

ossie
04-28-2010, 04:06 PM
tomic :haha:

asl
04-28-2010, 07:42 PM
Del Bonis is the only kid who delivers these days.

And Henri Kontinen doesn't ....?

Nathaliia
04-28-2010, 07:56 PM
And Henri Kontinen doesn't ....?
He played mainly futures - some other youngsters also had significant scores on this level. Helsinki SF, Tampere QF and now Rhodes QF are his best results. Even Tomic won a challenger. Del Bonis won 2 challengers and he's 2 years younger.

But I have no doubt Henkka goes in the right direction, also without as much hype as the others. Plus his style is really great to watch.

Sofonda Cox
04-28-2010, 08:00 PM
Tomic needs to gain weight. He'll be the Hantuchova of ATP.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200801/r219381_859958.jpg

Smoke944
04-28-2010, 08:06 PM
Despite the fact that Bernard is far from my favorite player, I just have to defend him here as this is getting ridiculous. So what, he lost in the second round of a futures on clay. He is learning and it will never be his best surface.
More ridiculous, though, is comparing him to someone like Del Bonis. Del Bonis is two years older, the two years between 18-20 where most players do huge developing. The difference in developement between a player at this point and where Tomic is currently is astronomical.

A better idea would be to compare Del Bonis at Tomic's current age. And guess what, folks? Federico was ranked about 1200 in the world then.

Nathaliia
04-28-2010, 08:08 PM
It's about the progress or the lack of it. So, I will bump this thread in 2 years and then we'll check :).

n8
04-29-2010, 12:11 AM
Despite the fact that Bernard is far from my favorite player, I just have to defend him here as this is getting ridiculous. So what, he lost in the second round of a futures on clay. He is learning and it will never be his best surface.
More ridiculous, though, is comparing him to someone like Del Bonis. Del Bonis is two years older, the two years between 18-20 where most players do huge developing. The difference in developement between a player at this point and where Tomic is currently is astronomical.

A better idea would be to compare Del Bonis at Tomic's current age. And guess what, folks? Federico was ranked about 1200 in the world then.

Thank you! Anyone who has seen Tomic play will know that his game is extremely unsuited for clay. Flat shots, poor movement and poor endurance. As a Tomic fan, I am pleased he is giving clay a fair go (5th clay event this year), instead of just playing hard court events. By the way, he has won two Challenger titles (one in both 2009 and 2010), not just one like someone said earlier.

Sham Kay
04-29-2010, 01:05 AM
Once he puts on a bit of muscle and gains the confidence needed for consistant results in tournaments, Bernard will be flying up the rankings. That is if he lives up to his potential. Which I think he will, despite losses like this which I'd personally disregard.

asl
04-29-2010, 08:15 AM
He played mainly futures - some other youngsters also had significant scores on this level. Helsinki SF, Tampere QF and now Rhodes QF are his best results. Even Tomic won a challenger. Del Bonis won 2 challengers and he's 2 years younger.

But I have no doubt Henkka goes in the right direction, also without as much hype as the others. Plus his style is really great to watch.

Don't forget Kontinens great performances in Davis Cup events. Besides, he and Del Bonis are about same age, Henkka is just 4 months older.

Nathaliia
04-29-2010, 08:33 AM
Sorry, of course, for whatever reason I locked Kontinen as 90, Del Bonis as 92 and Tomic as 94 at the same time knowing how old they were :tape:. Me and maths. And indeed Tomic won 2 challengers, Melbourne in 2008 and Burnie in 2009 (the latter had a futures field so I counted is for the futures :D)

My bad and I wasn't even drunk :wavey:

Still I might have to bump this thread in 2 years if Tomic is around the same place in the ranking than he is now :p.

n8
04-29-2010, 08:41 AM
Sorry, of course, for whatever reason I locked Kontinen as 90, Del Bonis as 92 and Tomic as 94 at the same time knowing how old they were :tape:. Me and maths. And indeed Tomic won 2 challengers, Melbourne in 2008 and Burnie in 2009 (the latter had a futures field so I counted is for the futures :D)

My bad and I wasn't even drunk :wavey:

Still I might have to bump this thread in 2 years if Tomic is around the same place in the ranking than he is now :p.

Minor detail: the Challengers were in 2009 and 2010. And the fields (well the players he beat) were equally modest. In fact, the futures events he just lost in had players in very much the same ballpark as those Aussie Challengers.

Arkulari
04-29-2010, 08:46 AM
I'd love to see Tomic playing in a south american challenger, where the fields are usually really strong ;)

heck, he'd be destroyed in a Spain's Future tournament, those are really brutal :o

JMG
04-29-2010, 08:55 AM
Tomic is still without a futures title.

Nathaliia
04-29-2010, 09:06 AM
Minor detail: the Challengers were in 2009 and 2010. And the fields (well the players he beat) were equally modest. In fact, the futures events he just lost in had players in very much the same ballpark as those Aussie Challengers.
OMG. I have a paper confirming I'm a number recognition retard.

Well obviously he was able to beat better players in those challengers than in some futures where he's losing. He still has to deliver outside Australia and I'm afraid Arkulari shared a very brutal truth.

n8
04-29-2010, 09:22 AM
I'd love to see Tomic playing in a south american challenger, where the fields are usually really strong ;)

heck, he'd be destroyed in a Spain's Future tournament, those are really brutal :o

The Futures Tomic entered in Italy were more difficult than the concurrent Spanish ones (based on ranking of participants). Mainly because the Italian ones were $15,000 as opposed to $10,000.

OMG. I have a paper confirming I'm a number recognition retard.

Well obviously he was able to beat better players in those challengers than in some futures where he's losing. He still has to deliver outside Australia and I'm afraid Arkulari shared a very brutal truth.

The Australian Challengers are certainly easier (based on ranking) and what's more, most of the players' rankings in those events are inflated because they play in easier Australian events.

But everyone, please keep in mind that Tomic is about as far from a natural clay courter as you can get. If Tomic does as poorly in his overseas hard/grass court events (please don't start hassling after one or two bad losses) later this year then, and only then, will I lessen my backlash at Tomic doubters.

duong
04-29-2010, 09:38 AM
The Futures Tomic entered in Italy were more difficult than the concurrent Spanish ones (based on ranking of participants). Mainly because the Italian ones were $15,000 as opposed to $10,000.

yes, the Italian futures where Tomic entered are really good ;)

But he lost to Lajovic, who is far from being one of the best players of that field.

Mina (8 months older than Tomic) however is easily in the quarterfinals already ... but he likes clay indeed.

However, I appreciate Tomic's effort who plays very seldom but when he plays he plays on his worst surface by far, and in Italian futures which are good indeed.

He clearly looks further, not at the present moment then I don't see the interest of laughing at all of his present results or comparing him to Del Bonis who is two years older and good on clay (although what Del Bonis does is good indeed ;) ).

So far Tomic is intriguing, that's all I can say. He plays seldom, and :
- in the worst tournaments for him (Italian clay futures, Monte-Carlo)
- or in Australian challengers which, indeed, don't have a great draw and where he even wasn't overprotected as he had to play qualies before winning once :lol: (and then won many very tight matches)
- or in Australian grand slam where, well, he did great for his age, Cilic can tell

It's nothing common like other youngsters who regularly play futures or even, especially for his ranking, challenger qualifyings or wild-cards like Krajinovic who reached a second round in a challenger this week, which gives many points, but was just lucky to beat mugs there :lol:

He has by far always had the best results of his age (he's just 3 months older than Tiago Fernandes for instance, 4 months older than Boluda ;) ), but yet does nothing like the other ones of his age :confused:

FedererBulgaria
04-29-2010, 09:42 AM
It seems its really difficult for youngsters-same with Grigor,lets wait 2-3 years who knows its not easy especially nowadays

duong
04-29-2010, 09:44 AM
It seems its really difficult for youngsters-same with Grigor,lets wait 2-3 years who knows its not easy especially nowadays

Dimitrov is one year and a half older : he is more worrying.

FedererBulgaria
04-29-2010, 09:48 AM
Dimitrov is one year and a half older : he is more worrying.

tell me just ONE youngster who has already achieved something BIG:rolleyes:

duong
04-29-2010, 09:51 AM
tell me just ONE youngster who has already achieved something BIG:rolleyes:

maybe not BIG BIG but at the same age, Dimitrov is even behind what Del Bonis and Rufin were at his age. And Tomic's carreer best (209) is also better than Dimitrov's (255) while having played far less.

I don't know what's happening with Dimitrov since the beginning of the year which is very poor, probably injured, but even last year was far from great.

FedererBulgaria
04-29-2010, 09:54 AM
maybe not BIG BIG but at the same age, Dimitrov is even behind what Del Bonis and Rufin were at his age. And Tomic's carreer best (209) is also better than Dimitrov's (255) while having played far less.

I don't know what's happening with Dimitrov since the beginning of the year which is very poor, probably injured, but even last year was far from great.



I know,i know but its not only Grishaa!We wait for new names in next 5 years so who knows ;);)

jmf07
04-29-2010, 10:37 AM
I'm guessing there isn't going to be a WILL TOMIC WIN 2010 FRENCH OPEN thread.

I don't get what the big deal is about this loss. He has never shown anything on clay and you only have to look at some of his junior tournaments to see that. I think it's good that he is toughing it out on the clay and taking the losses on the chin (something which he hasn't done well in the past). He will learn a lot out of this compared to sticking to tournaments in his home country or on his favourite surface. I don't like Tomic but some people are being a bit over the top here.

n8
04-29-2010, 10:49 AM
I'm guessing there isn't going to be a WILL TOMIC WIN 2010 FRENCH OPEN thread.

I don't get what the big deal is about this loss.

MTF posters generally love to bring down players that other people are excited about or who are highly hyped.


He has never shown anything on clay and you only have to look at some of his junior tournaments to see that. I think it's good that he is toughing it out on the clay and taking the losses on the chin (something which he hasn't done well in the past). He will learn a lot out of this compared to sticking to tournaments in his home country or on his favourite surface.

Agree.

FedererBulgaria
04-29-2010, 11:07 AM
MTF posters generally love to bring down players that other people are excited about or who are highly hyped.


:yeah:

Radalek
04-29-2010, 12:10 PM
Well, also defending Tomic, Lajovic is really talented player. He's 19 and due to poor state of Serbian TA he (and many of talented Serbian players) had to do everything on his own more or less, thus his poor ranking at the moment. He'll be close to top 500 after this win but he's capable of much more and I can see him in top 100 one day if he keeps working hard.

Henry Chinaski
04-29-2010, 02:09 PM
Good sign for Tomic that he's willing to play on clay despite his hideous movement. I'm sure he could've found an easier hc event somewhere instead.

Action Jackson
04-29-2010, 02:14 PM
Tomic can't move on clay at all, it's all part of the experience for him and he will get better for it.

Adri89
04-29-2010, 10:03 PM
yes, the Italian futures where Tomic entered are really good ;)

But he lost to Lajovic, who is far from being one of the best players of that field.

Mina (8 months older than Tomic) however is easily in the quarterfinals already ... but he likes clay indeed.



Lajovic defeated Mina as well ;)
the score was much closer though.

Radalek
04-30-2010, 02:15 AM
Lajovic defeated Mina as well ;)
the score was much closer though.

Yeah, Lajovic defeated Mina in 3 sets today. Keep going Duci :).

andy neyer
04-30-2010, 03:43 AM
Tomic needs to gain weight. He'll be the Hantuchova of ATP.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200801/r219381_859958.jpg

Give that kid a hambuger!

Matchu
04-30-2010, 04:00 AM
It's not suprising that Tomic can't do very well in clay court tournaments, his game is not suited to clay. You have to commend him though because there are lots of hard court challengers that have been going on for the last month or so that Tomic could have played but he chooses to play his non-preferred surface because he is trying to get ready for RG.

Whether or not he will play RG is another story but it is likely that he will play Wimbledon qualifying again and will most likely play the rest of the year out on hard courts in the US. Tomic will do alright in the US challengers and will finish the year well inside the top 250.

Give the kid a break, he is 17 and already won a grand slam match, a challenger and won both his matches on Davis Cup debut, he isn't going too bad this year!

Hewitt =Legend
04-30-2010, 04:23 AM
Give that kid a hambuger!

You do realise that pic was taken when he was barely 15. What did you look like at that age?