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Rome R2 : Federer against Gulbis

duong
04-26-2010, 03:12 PM
Several people started talking about that match in the thread about Gulbis-Baghdatis round 1.

My opinion : Gulbis plays very well currently and will ponder Federer's backhand as he did in Doha, as he did with Verdasco's backhand in Barcelona (in my opinion, he dominated Verdasco in the end of the match and would have won in a third set ... and the surface was slower than in Roma).

From these 2 matches, it seems that he likes pondering the opponent's weakness, and I think he will do it again (it will be easier with Federer than with Verdasco as he can use his crossed backhand against a right-handed player).

And big shots as he knows.

If Federer is rusty as I think, and his backhand especially is not yet at a very good level, he will fail.

If Fed wins this match, then I'll foresee the semifinal against Nadal, but so far, I don't think he will go through this round.

samanosuke
04-26-2010, 03:14 PM
He will beat Gulbis

Commander Data
04-26-2010, 03:16 PM
Fed will atomize Gulbis :shrug:

-Valhalla-
04-26-2010, 03:20 PM
This is a tough one to call but I think ring rust will be a factor.

Gulbis in three.

Deivid23
04-26-2010, 03:21 PM
Federer eats brainless ballbashers for breakfast

samanosuke
04-26-2010, 03:23 PM
Federer eats brainless ballbashers for breakfast

I was also thinking like that before Berdych beat him in Miami

vn01
04-26-2010, 03:30 PM
It will be a 3-set match,but who wins it.Maybe Gulbis

duong
04-26-2010, 03:32 PM
Federer eats brainless ballbashers for breakfast

Gulbis is more than that currently, he can play many shots with a good pace even though of course he plays more hard shots and errors than many players on clay.

But of course it might be interesting to see if Federer can derail him, and he might have to play with some variety, but it's not easy for a first match to have consistency AND variety.

Arkulari
04-26-2010, 03:32 PM
hopefully Roger, but we can't know about his clay form, a hard match for him coming back :o

Persimmon
04-26-2010, 03:51 PM
Fed.

henke007
04-26-2010, 03:56 PM
Fed in easy 2 sets 6-3 6-2

andy neyer
04-26-2010, 03:56 PM
They have only met once and it was this year in the Doha QF. Fed won in three tight sets 6-2, 4-6, 6-4.

I think there's a big chance for Gulbis to win here.

Bilbo
04-26-2010, 03:59 PM
let's see which player has more fans :lol:

alter ego
04-26-2010, 04:02 PM
Fed in 2. 6-4, 6-0.

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04-26-2010, 04:08 PM
I just hope Ernests plays a good game and isn't embarrassed.. :o

Noleta
04-26-2010, 04:11 PM
Fed in 3.

zcess81
04-26-2010, 04:17 PM
By the time you finish reading this post Fed will be off the court getting ready for his R3 match and Gulbis on a plane back to wherever he lives.

Pirata.
04-26-2010, 04:40 PM
hard court =/= clay. roger in two, i think.

RawrArgh
04-26-2010, 04:46 PM
hard court =/= clay. roger in two, i think.

Gulbis has started to look pretty comfortable on clay though :/

MacTheKnife
04-26-2010, 04:54 PM
Federer may drop the first set, then drop the rust. Fed in 3. Who has e-gul beaten lately, Dr Ivo, berdman... :lol:

This isn't dr ivo or berd he's facing..

Fedicilous
04-26-2010, 05:01 PM
I have a bad feeling about this match.

Gulbis in 3.

Aenea
04-26-2010, 05:11 PM
I have a bad feeling about this match, too :D

Fed will win it.

malisha
04-26-2010, 05:32 PM
matchups do not win matches

Erno have a chance here

malisha
04-26-2010, 05:35 PM
after AO Fed is looking like crap....clay might help him but its always tough to play first match on clay

federernadalfan
04-26-2010, 05:35 PM
unless fed decides to tank
fed in two

Filo V.
04-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Probably Roger, since I think he will get up for this match, knowing he may be beaten if he doesn't. But if he doesn't come with full intensity and attention, and is rusty and flat, Gulbis has big chances.

It all depends on which Fed shows up.

ZaZoo)
04-26-2010, 06:11 PM
Gulbis, 3-6, 7-6(3), 7-6(8). Longest 3-set match in open era surpassing record Djokovic-Nadal set.

duong
04-26-2010, 06:26 PM
Gulbis, 3-6, 7-6(3), 7-6(8). Longest 3-set match in open era surpassing record Djokovic-Nadal set.

no because the points should be much shorter, and the two players take little time to serve :lol:

Stefwhit
04-26-2010, 06:31 PM
It's exciting to believe Gulbis has a chance, it just makes the encounter one to look forward to- sadly, however, it will fizzle out and not live up to the hype. Fedtard will prevail in straight sets w/out hardly breaking a sweat. The dream is over, long live the nightmare and the second best player on clay.

If on the off chance Gulbis comes out smoking and is destined to win- he still wont...lol At best, he'll put himself in a position to win only to squander it in the end- that's the best case scenario. I'm still putting my money on a routine straight sets win; Fed in two.

christallh24
04-26-2010, 06:56 PM
If Fed wins this match, then I'll foresee the semifinal against Nadal, but so far, I don't think he will go through this round.

If Fed wins?! :lol:

And why just assume a Fedal semi-final? I see a harder, more uncertain path to the semi for Rafa than Roger. I'd sooner bet on a Fed/Djok final with Roger winning Rome for the first time.

I just hope Ernests plays a good game and isn't embarrassed.. :o

I'm not a Gulbis fan, but I hope he doesn't get embarrassed either.

Fed 6-2 6-1

duong
04-26-2010, 06:57 PM
The match is tomorrow, third match :unsure:

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04-26-2010, 06:59 PM
I'm not a Gulbis fan, but I hope he doesn't get embarrassed either.

Fed 6-2 6-1


6-2 6-1 would be embarrassing!

-Valhalla-
04-26-2010, 06:59 PM
It's exciting to believe Gulbis has a chance, it just makes the encounter one to look forward to- sadly, however, it will fizzle out and not live up to the hype. Fedtard will prevail in straight sets w/out hardly breaking a sweat. The dream is over, long live the nightmare and the second best player on clay.

If on the off chance Gulbis comes out smoking and is destined to win- he still wont...lol At best, he'll put himself in a position to win only to squander it in the end- that's the best case scenario. I'm still putting my money on a routine straight sets win; Fed in two.

It sounds like you're preparing yourself emotionally for the letdown :lol:

But you never know ... crazier things have happened!

-Valhalla-
04-26-2010, 07:09 PM
If And why just assume a Fedal semi-final? I see a harder, more uncertain path to the semi for Rafa than Roger. I'd sooner bet on a Fed/Djok final with Roger winning Rome for the first time.

Really? :scratch:

Puschkin
04-26-2010, 07:20 PM
Interesting match, but unfortunately I won't be able to see it. Though I expect Ernests to make it tough for Roger, I don't see him coming through in the end.

Roamed
04-26-2010, 07:33 PM
Can't decide if this is a good or bad mental attitude to have about facing Federer :scratch:

"You don't need to think about it," said 40th-ranked Gulbis, perhaps already in denial over his huge upcoming test on the clay. "Thinking about it doesn't make it better at all.
"If you can throw away your thoughts about then you are going to be a happy man."

Corey Feldman
04-26-2010, 07:34 PM
Cya Fed

-Evita-
04-26-2010, 07:41 PM
Can't decide if this is a good or bad mental attitude to have about facing Federer :scratch:

"You don't need to think about it," said 40th-ranked Gulbis, perhaps already in denial over his huge upcoming test on the clay. "Thinking about it doesn't make it better at all.
"If you can throw away your thoughts about then you are going to be a happy man."

The official tournament website has the following Gulbis quote from today's press conference:

“If you worry about who you are playing, you’ll do nothing. You have to clear your head, not think about it and then play your tennis. I’m lucky in that I faced him at Doha this year for the first time (Federer won their quarter-final in three sets) and it’s true – I was warming up and then looked at who was on the other side of the net and it made me nervous. I’ll just go out and play him here and whatever happens, happens.”

I think it's a good attitude for him, trying not to let Federer get into his head.

duong
04-26-2010, 07:42 PM
Can't decide if this is a good or bad mental attitude to have about facing Federer :scratch:

"You don't need to think about it," said 40th-ranked Gulbis, perhaps already in denial over his huge upcoming test on the clay. "Thinking about it doesn't make it better at all.
"If you can throw away your thoughts about then you are going to be a happy man."

acrually it's the attitude which fits Gulbis perfectly :lol:

He's a crazy player, not clever on court, that's true, but I don't think he's mentally so weak, and especially this year.

With him it's more a matter of "hit-or-miss".

Then well yes he can miss, but last week, he played very well (was over Verdasco in the last part of the match, I would say), and still 80% first serves and many winners today :rolleyes:

Some people say he's not good on clay : actually he looks very well here, and he reached French Open quarterfinal, which is not bad at all (gibing not an easy match to Djokovic there by the way)

If he can miss a little bit tomorrow, it might help Federer to play more matches :lol:

If not, Federer will be happy to have matches in Estoril ;)

BlueSwan
04-26-2010, 07:50 PM
My faith in Roger is at an all time low right now. Gulbis in two sets.

moon language
04-26-2010, 07:54 PM
I'm expecting Federer to be playing better than he was in the US. Wasn't he in Rome early practicing and he's playing doubles? He had that lung infection that threw off his preparation earlier this year but it seems like he's been putting in the work to be ready for the clay.

duong
04-26-2010, 08:19 PM
I'm expecting Federer to be playing better than he was in the US. Wasn't he in Rome early practicing and he's playing doubles? He had that lung infection that threw off his preparation earlier this year but it seems like he's been putting in the work to be ready for the clay.

this is certainly the key but we've had little information about that preparation, the day after his defeat in Miami he made a photo on clay but then he said he went on holiday :lol:

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04-26-2010, 08:23 PM
All the hype surrounding this match reminds me of the 2009 AO when Fed/Safin played in R3. All the Marat fans were hoping beyond hope that something great would happen when we knew in our hearts what the outcome would be.. :tears:

iriraz
04-26-2010, 08:46 PM
All the hype surrounding this match reminds me of the 2009 AO when Fed/Safin played in R3. All the Marat fans were hoping beyond hope that something great would happen when we knew in our hearts what the outcome would be.. :tears:

Or who can forget of this year`s hype that Federer might have a tough match against Hewitt in Australia.We know what happened to Hewitt in that match and after that.

gorgo1986
04-26-2010, 09:06 PM
Should be a good match, Ernests is a talented guy and he can really play on this surface. Not the easiest opening match for Roger. It will be interesting to see how well Fed is playing.

andy neyer
04-26-2010, 09:56 PM
If Fed wins?! :lol:

And why just assume a Fedal semi-final? I see a harder, more uncertain path to the semi for Rafa than Roger. I'd sooner bet on a Fed/Djok final with Roger winning Rome for the first time.



I'm not a Gulbis fan, but I hope he doesn't get embarrassed either.

Fed 6-2 6-1

A Nadal fan just like his idol: trying to put the pressure onto the shoulders of other players even though it's obvious that Nadal is the clear favourite.

Aenea
04-26-2010, 10:17 PM
A Nadal fan just like his idol: trying to put the pressure onto the shoulders of other players even though it's obvious that Nadal is the clear favourite.

what is the difference to the Fedfans fearing their idol might lose tomorrow :lol: though being heavy fav against Gulbis

andy neyer
04-26-2010, 10:39 PM
what is the difference to the Fedfans fearing their idol might lose tomorrow :lol: though being heavy fav against Gulbis

Tennis is about matchups... Federer isn't the fave to win Rome but he's the fave to win, say, Wimbledon. Nadal is the favourite to win Rome but he's not the favourite to win, say, the US Open.

That said, Federer should beat Gulbis tommorrow but considering the recent form and the fact he hasn't played on clay at all this year, I wouldn't be that surprised if he ends up losing.

What the Nadal fan said about Federer being the first favourite (above Nadal) for Rome was just ridiculous, imo.

Aenea
04-26-2010, 10:47 PM
Tennis is about matchups... Federer isn't the fave to win Rome but he's the fave to win, say, Wimbledon. Nadal is the favourite to win Rome but he's not the favourite to win, say, the US Open.

That said, Federer should beat Gulbis tommorrow but considering the recent form and the fact he hasn't played on clay at all this year, I wouldn't be that surprised if he ends up losing.

What the Nadal fan said about Federer being the first favourite (above Nadal) for Rome was just ridiculous, imo.

Maybe this is how s/he sees things :shrug:
And TBH I, too think Fed's path to the semis is much clearer than Rafa's. Fed himself said to the ES that he feels confident in Rome. Should I doubt him?

duong
04-26-2010, 11:17 PM
Maybe this is how s/he sees things :shrug:
And TBH I, too think Fed's path to the semis is much clearer than Rafa's. Fed himself said to the ES that he feels confident in Rome. Should I doubt him?

for sure the best way to know about what will happen in a tournament is to listen to this kind of comments :

"Nadal will say "no, I'm no favorite, I have to play against great players, no ?"

and Federer "I'm confident, I play well in practice"

it works all the time :haha:

Aenea
04-26-2010, 11:24 PM
for sure the best way to know about what will happen in a tournament is to listen to this kind of comments :

"Nadal will say "no, I'm no favorite, I have to play against great players, no ?"

and Federer "I'm confident, I play well in practice"

it works all the time :haha:

No. He said "Once I was a point away from winning the title so yeah I feel confident" :D

SerenaFederer
04-26-2010, 11:48 PM
fed will win....i hope :unsure: depends on how he is faring mentally

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-26-2010, 11:52 PM
Fed will try to tank it but Ernests won't let him.
Federer 6-2 6-7 6-4

Johnny_Bravo
04-26-2010, 11:53 PM
this one's easy.gulbi in 2.

HKz
04-27-2010, 12:15 AM
Roger is playing doubles, so maybe he won't be as rusty as he could be... Gublis has a pretty solid chance to pull off an upset. I'll put my money on Roger in 3.

-Evita-
04-27-2010, 12:33 AM
this one's easy.gulbi in 2.

You do know that his name is Gulbis, right? I've noticed that you always write it this way but the name is incomplete without the 's' and it doesn't make for a good nickname :wavey:

Back to topic now. Who do I think will win? I don't know, I change my mind every minute :lol: But Federer is more likely, yes.

star
04-27-2010, 01:20 AM
Gulbis would have a better chance if they met in the first round. :lol:

Bilbo
04-27-2010, 01:20 AM
federer should crush this mug

Sunset of Age
04-27-2010, 01:52 AM
federer should crush this mug

If he doesn't... :help:

Hugh Jaas
04-27-2010, 01:52 AM
My faith in Roger is at an all time low right now. Gulbis in two sets.

http://www.dizaini.lv/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ernests-gulbis-670x473.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qg6J04XZhR4/SPU8-rKzCzI/AAAAAAAADGs/TyTG4l8jTn8/s400/ernests%2Bgulbis.jpg

andy neyer
04-27-2010, 02:03 AM
No. He said "Once I was a point away from winning the title so yeah I feel confident" :D

Federer is always confident even when he's playing like crap :lol: Remember what he said prior to Wimby 2008? "I'm the favourite here". Nadal would never say something like that about RG, no matter how many RG titles has or how good his preceding clay court season had been.

This is,imo, one of the bigger mental differences between Federer and Nadal: the fact that the former feels confident knowing that he's the best and being the favourite to win a lot of things while Nadal evidently doesn't seem to think the same about himself.

Arkulari
04-27-2010, 02:29 AM
Rafa likes being the underdog, he prefers that than to be called the favorite and it's the other way around for Roger, what's wrong with either position? if that works for them, then it's ok :shrug:

Sunset of Age
04-27-2010, 02:30 AM
Rafa likes being the underdog, he prefers that than to be called the favorite and it's the other way around for Roger, what's wrong with either position? if that works for them, then it's ok :shrug:

Of Bloody Course that is. ;)

andy neyer
04-27-2010, 02:35 AM
Rafa likes being the underdog, he prefers that than to be called the favorite and it's the other way around for Roger, what's wrong with either position? if that works for them, then it's ok :shrug:

There's nothing wrong about it. In fact, when Nadal says "I'm not the fave to win Rome" I don't even think he's lying. He just genuinely feels he's not the favourite to win the tournament because he really doesn't think he's the best even though he is the best (on clay).

However, I entirely dislike that approach. It's just a matter of preferences.

habibko
04-27-2010, 02:43 AM
It all depends on which Fed shows up.

it always does.

I see a harder, more uncertain path to the semi for Rafa than Roger.

:haha:

I'd sooner bet on a Fed/Djok final with Roger winning Rome for the first time.

:haha: :haha:

Rafatards...

jadey
04-27-2010, 03:02 AM
Federer is always confident even when he's playing like crap :lol: Remember what he said prior to Wimby 2008? "I'm the favourite here". Nadal would never say something like that about RG, no matter how many RG titles has or how good his preceding clay court season had been.

This is,imo, one of the bigger mental differences between Federer and Nadal: the fact that the former feels confident knowing that he's the best and being the favourite to win a lot of things while Nadal evidently doesn't seem to think the same about himself.

I dont think its that Nadal doesnt think it , I think hes too humble a guy to say it.

moon language
04-27-2010, 03:03 AM
this is certainly the key but we've had little information about that preparation, the day after his defeat in Miami he made a photo on clay but then he said he went on holiday :lol:

Oh I didn't know that. I assumed he'd been practicing the whole time.

Jimnik
04-27-2010, 06:16 AM
First match back for Fed so might drop a set.

The Magician
04-27-2010, 06:54 AM
Federer is gonna have a lot of trouble without Allegro to cover his weaknesses. Should be interesting to see the doubles specialist adapt to singles.

coonster14
04-27-2010, 07:15 AM
fed in 3. i think he will be quite patchy, hopefully gulbis makes it a tight match.

duong
04-27-2010, 07:18 AM
I dont think its that Nadal doesnt think it , I think hes too humble a guy to say it.

yes it's definitely that (and Nadal doesn't like being the favorite anyway then it fits him)

... and Fed always says he's confident because he always needs to be positive in every aspect to play positive as well.

it's only a communication difference, opposite persuading methods, but doesn't say anything about actual condition.

If Fed doesn't beat Gulbis life goes on : he plays Estoril next week, there's less shame to be beaten by a player playing currently well for his first match on clay, than the loss against Berdych on hardcourt playing crap for his second tournament in a row.

Anyway, he has nothing more to earn here than a semifinal : it's about playing matches, and Estoril can offer it.

yes it's shameful for a number 1 but current Federer is maybe more a father than a number 1 :lol:

Rumour
04-27-2010, 09:09 AM
It all depends on which Fed shows up.

I just hope Ernests plays a good game and isn't embarrassed.. :o
My feelings exactly regarding both players: Federer is obviously the favourite to win and I believe he'll do so relatively comfortably if he's adequately prepared mentally and physically. That said, Gulbis' confidence and form are currently experiencing a resurgence so I would expect a strong effort from him here. Ideally, I think Fed wins this in two tight sets e.g. 7-5 6-4.

Tennisman82
04-27-2010, 01:30 PM
Federer in 3, but this should be particularly entertaining. Federer’s gonna be rusty & if Gulbis is clicking, this will be one to watch.

Gulbis is okay on clay (made QF at the FO a few years ago). He’s got a lot of potential but he goes for way too much on the court. He needs more patience and a proper tennis temperament if he wants to enter the top 20.

Tennisman82.

-Valhalla-
04-27-2010, 01:56 PM
http://www.dizaini.lv/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ernests-gulbis-670x473.jpg


That's a pretty cool shot :cool:

ossie
04-27-2010, 03:26 PM
the only reason federer would lose to a clown like gulbis is cuz he doesnt want to face nadal on clay.

andy neyer
04-27-2010, 06:02 PM
what is the difference to the Fedfans fearing their idol might lose tomorrow :lol: though being heavy fav against Gulbis

Say that again, please... :lol:

Congrats to the following users who got it right in the poll

Valhalla-, andy neyer, AsianSensation, asmazif, B.z.A., Bargearse, Bili, docking34, DualMedia, duong, flab3r, hiperborejac, Hugh Jaas, Jozie, JV1965, Luinir, missvarsha, mlle mila, osmonde, RawrArgh, Rika217, RoddickSg, Stelle, Team_Roddick, TVTennis, vn01

duong
04-27-2010, 06:35 PM
Say that again, please... :lol:

Congrats to the following users who got it right in the poll

Valhalla-, andy neyer, AsianSensation, asmazif, B.z.A., Bargearse, Bili, docking34, DualMedia, duong, flab3r, hiperborejac, Hugh Jaas, Jozie, JV1965, Luinir, missvarsha, mlle mila, osmonde, RawrArgh, Rika217, RoddickSg, Stelle, Team_Roddick, TVTennis, vn01

but Federer was better than I thought ;)

Gulbis played even greater than I imagined in final two sets :yeah:

Stefwhit
04-27-2010, 06:46 PM
It's exciting to believe Gulbis has a chance, it just makes the encounter one to look forward to- sadly, however, it will fizzle out and not live up to the hype. Fedtard will prevail in straight sets w/out hardly breaking a sweat. The dream is over, long live the nightmare and the second best player on clay.

If on the off chance Gulbis comes out smoking and is destined to win- he still wont...lol At best, he'll put himself in a position to win only to squander it in the end- that's the best case scenario. I'm still putting my money on a routine straight sets win; or Gulbis wasting golden opportunities and chocking at the end.I've never been more happy to be wrong! I gotta start having more faith in young talent.... "I believe the children are the future"...lol I"m a believer now!

Aenea
04-27-2010, 06:53 PM
Say that again, please... :lol:


Yay :lol:

you were right to fear Gulbis he's a fierce opponent on clay :D who'd think the FO title holder would lose like this to an outside top50 player :p

sorry mate :hug: you still have Estoril to look to :wavey:

LocoPorElTenis
04-27-2010, 07:01 PM
Good call Duong

duong
04-27-2010, 07:20 PM
you were right to fear Gulbis he's a fierce opponent on clay :D who'd think the FO title holder would lose like this to an outside top50 player :p

Gulbis is number 40 and may well meet Nadal in semifinal ;)

Well, I don't say he will win of course because he still misses the mindset to beat Nadal, but if he plays like two final sets (except at 5-4 :lol:), he has the ideal game to beat Nadal ;)

Aenea
04-27-2010, 07:57 PM
Gulbis is number 40 and may well meet Nadal in semifinal ;)

Well, I don't say he will win of course because he still misses the mindset to beat Nadal, but if he plays like two final sets (except at 5-4 :lol:), he has the ideal game to beat Nadal ;)

:o sorry I'm not following him but Fed is still the FO title holder and losing to the #40 in such a fashion is embarrassing after winning 1st set 62

If Ernests plays Rafa in the SF (if Rafa makes it to the semis) so be it :shrug: If he beats him Rafa will be to be blamed alone :shrug:

andy neyer
04-27-2010, 07:57 PM
Yay :lol:

you were right to fear Gulbis he's a fierce opponent on clay :D who'd think the FO title holder would lose like this to an outside top50 player :p

sorry mate :hug: you still have Estoril to look to :wavey:

I like Federer but he's far from being my favourite player.

That said, this thread is about predictions and you failed at it. That's the way of most biased fangirls anyway.

Aenea
04-27-2010, 08:02 PM
I like Federer but he's far from being my favourite player.

That said, this thread is about predictions and you failed at it. That's the way of most biased fangirls anyway.

biased fangirls :scratch: :lol:

you are still a rookie and bad oriented here. for sure :lol:

but yeah, I failed on my prediction, that's true :p

I never said or concluded Fed was your fav

duong
04-27-2010, 08:56 PM
:o sorry I'm not following him but Fed is still the FO title holder and losing to the #40 in such a fashion is embarrassing after winning 1st set 62

Fed is Fed, the one who on clay lost to Volandri in 2007, nearly lost to Ramirez-Hidalgo and Gremelmayr in 2008, and lost easily to Wawrinka last year :lol:

yes he's not Nadal :shrug:

heya
04-27-2010, 09:45 PM
I just hope Ernests plays a good game and isn't embarrassed.. :o
After all these years, you still ingratiate yourself with Fed fanboys. Fed's arrogance is bigger than his ability.
LOL

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04-27-2010, 09:59 PM
After all these years, you still ingratiate yourself with Fed fanboys. Fed's arrogance is bigger than his ability.
LOL

:confused: No way was I confident that Ernests would win this so of course I just wanted him to play well. Having said that I am thrilled with the result! :D