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Rome Draw: Fedal SF avoided. Muzzole SF still on track.

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l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:29 PM
From Drew Lilley on twitter:

Theoretical Rome quarters: Federer -.Cilic, Nadal - Soderling, Tsonga - Murray, Verdasco - Djokovic. Rog and Rafa in same half of draw.
2 minutes ago via web

http://twitter.com/DrewLilley

:spit:

From the official site:
ROGER AND RAFA IN SAME HALF OF DRAW
Potential semi-final clash between “big two”


With Rafael Nadal down to No.3 in the world after his injuries and lean spell, there was always going to be a 50% chance that he would be drawn in the same half as Roger Federer for this year’s Internazionali BNL d’Italia, and this is exactly what has happened.

Defending champion Nadal, who finally got back to winning ways at Monte Carlo last week after a barren spell without a title to his name since Rome last year, is scheduled to face world No.1 Federer in the semi-finals (providing of course that all matches go according to seeding). Last year’s finalist and 2008 champion Novak Djokovic is No.2 seed this year and finds himself in what looks on paper like the slightly easier half of the draw, though with plenty of players having withdrawn through injury, others (Djokovic included) struggling for form and the European clay season barely more than a week old, anything could happen here at the Foro Italico over the coming eight days.

The potential quarter-final ties based on seeding are as follows:

Federer (1) – Cilic (6)
Nadal (3) – Soderling (5)
Tsonga (7) – Murray (4)
Verdasco (8) – Djokovic (2)

http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.it/1/PopNews.asp?LNG=EN&IDNews=536

Full draw: http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/416/mds.pdf

[1] FEDERER, Roger (SUI) vs BYE
BAGHDATIS, Marcos (CYP) vs GULBIS, Ernests (LAT)
VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA) vs MAYER, Florian (GER)
BENNETEAU, Julien (FRA) vs[15] QUERREY, Sam (USA)

[11] LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO) vs MATHIEU, Paul-Henri (FRA)
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) vs KUBOT, Lukasz (POL)
BECKER, Benjamin (GER)vs LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
BYE vs [8] CILIC, Marin (CRO)

[3] NADAL, Rafael (ESP) vs BYE
CUEVAS, Pablo (URU)vs KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER)
HANESCU, Victor (ROU) vs BERRER, Michael (GER)
ANDREEV, Igor (RUS) vs [16]MONACO, Juan (ARG)

[10] BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) vs Qualifier
MELZER, Jurgen (AUT) vs WAWRINKA, Stanislas (SUI)
LORENZI, Paolo (ITA) vs MONTANES, Albert (ESP)
BYE vs [5] SODERLING, Robin (SWE)

[7] TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) vs BYE
TROICKI, Viktor (SRB) vs DE BAKKER, Thiemo (NED)
QUALIFIER vs BECK, Andreas (GER)
QUALIFIERvs [12] FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)

[13] FERRER, David (ESP) vs KOROLEV, Evgeny (KAZ)
QUALIFIER vs STARACE, Potito (ITA)
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) vs FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA)
bye vs [4] MURRAY, Andy (GBR)

[b][6] VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) vs bye
BOLELLI, Simone (ITA) vs QUALIFIER
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) vs QUALIFIER
HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS) vs [9] YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)

[14] ISNER, John (USA) vs ZEBALLOS, Horacio (ARG)
BELLUCCI, Thomaz (BRA) vs QUALIFIER
TIPSAREVIC, Janko (SRB)vs CHARDY, Jeremy (FRA)
BYE vs [2] DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB)

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 12:30 PM
YESSSSSSSS!!! There is a God!!!!!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

dombrfc
04-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Rog and Rafa in same half of draw

Must be nonsense then!

henke007
04-24-2010, 12:31 PM
Pathetic draw for Soda if thats true

Björki
04-24-2010, 12:31 PM
:mad:

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
It's not officially posted yet.

I will :haha: if that is true.

Roamed
04-24-2010, 12:32 PM
Can we say it's 'top-heavy'? :spit:

rafa_maniac
04-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Woot. Revenge over Soda, then Roger in the semis :devil:

Commander Data
04-24-2010, 12:33 PM
Great!

Frooty_Bazooty
04-24-2010, 12:33 PM
about frigging time!!!

henke007
04-24-2010, 12:36 PM
Why does Soda need to meat Clay GOAT in the 1/4 and not one of the other rescent failures!!

Mohammad
04-24-2010, 12:38 PM
YEESSS!
Hoping to get to watch Rafa/Fed clash in SF!!!
Vamos Rafa!!

emotion
04-24-2010, 12:40 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

Glad there is FINALLY a draw Fedal are in same 1/2

Xristos
04-24-2010, 12:41 PM
Let's go boys!

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:41 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge


:haha: :haha:

emotion
04-24-2010, 12:46 PM
:haha: :haha:

H2H since May 09: 3-0 Djokovic, sets 6-0 Djokovic, and he was hardly on fire at the WTF

superslam77
04-24-2010, 12:47 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

Glad there is FINALLY a draw Fedal are in same 1/2

Djokovic is not even better than Fed,Ferrero or Soderling on clay.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:49 PM
H2H since May 09: 3-0 Djokovic, sets 6-0 Djokovic, and he was hardly on fire at the WTF

Nadal is in much better form than Nole :wavey: And Rafa's H2H looks like that vs everyone siunce May 09 :lol:

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
From the official site:

ROGER AND RAFA IN SAME HALF OF DRAW
Potential semi-final clash between “big two”


With Rafael Nadal down to No.3 in the world after his injuries and lean spell, there was always going to be a 50% chance that he would be drawn in the same half as Roger Federer for this year’s Internazionali BNL d’Italia, and this is exactly what has happened.

Defending champion Nadal, who finally got back to winning ways at Monte Carlo last week after a barren spell without a title to his name since Rome last year, is scheduled to face world No.1 Federer in the semi-finals (providing of course that all matches go according to seeding). Last year’s finalist and 2008 champion Novak Djokovic is No.2 seed this year and finds himself in what looks on paper like the slightly easier half of the draw, though with plenty of players having withdrawn through injury, others (Djokovic included) struggling for form and the European clay season barely more than a week old, anything could happen here at the Foro Italico over the coming eight days.

The potential quarter-final ties based on seeding are as follows:

Federer (1) – Cilic (6)
Nadal (3) – Soderling (5)
Tsonga (7) – Murray (4)
Verdasco (8) – Djokovic (2)

http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.it/1/PopNews.asp?LNG=EN&IDNews=536

samanosuke
04-24-2010, 12:52 PM
WOOOW Djokovic, Murray , Tsonga and Verdaso in the same half . The most powerful half of masters 1000 tournaments ever . Only Cilic is missing for full party

Ad Wim
04-24-2010, 12:53 PM
Rog and Rafa in same half of draw

Must be nonsense then!

No, 1 and 3 seed.

Pirata.
04-24-2010, 12:53 PM
:haha:

emotion
04-24-2010, 12:55 PM
Nadal is in much better form than Nole :wavey: And Rafa's H2H looks like that vs everyone siunce May 09 :lol:


WELL, YEAH.... that's kinda my point, isnt it. No Top 8 defeats yet. The media still trys to pump up their rivalry because it was such a big story in tennis

rolandgarros
04-24-2010, 12:55 PM
when did last time FEDAL in same half?

Luinir
04-24-2010, 12:55 PM
Soderling and Rafa... Revenge time. Come on!

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:57 PM
when did last time FEDAL in same half?

Dunno. Halle 05 I think.

But Rafa didn't get to SF.

The last time they played a SF was RG 05 (not counting their 2 TMC semis)

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Too good! Come on Robin!

Ad Wim
04-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Lol, Tsonga and Murray together. Might as well come a unseeded mug in the SF there.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 12:57 PM
WELL, YEAH.... that's kinda my point, isnt it. No Top 8 defeats yet. The media still trys to pump up their rivalry because it was such a big story in tennis

:lol: Your point was that Rafa is not better than Nole. He is.

Björki
04-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Tsonga (7) – Murray (4)

what a joke QF would it be. but probably not coming anyway.

born_on_clay
04-24-2010, 12:59 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

Glad there is FINALLY a draw Fedal are in same 1/2


:eek:
nowayadys ???
:confused:

just look into the Race thread in GM to see who's better nowadays ...

samanosuke
04-24-2010, 01:00 PM
With these kinds of fields and draws on masters 1000 tournaments Verdasco will become "the man" . Sad days ...

l_mac
04-24-2010, 01:00 PM
what a joke QF would it be. but probably not coming anyway.

:lol:

All that it needed to be the perfect draw was Nando and Cilic to change positions.

henke007
04-24-2010, 01:01 PM
what a joke QF would it be. but probably not coming anyway.

That half is a joke, just the thought of Tsonga or Verdasco reaching the final makes me wanna throw up. Lets hope Nole atleast gets his shit together.

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 01:01 PM
Where can I view the full draw? :o

l_mac
04-24-2010, 01:01 PM
Where can I view the full draw? :o

It's not available yet. Usually takes between and hour- an hour and a half for it to be posted.

born_on_clay
04-24-2010, 01:02 PM
Soderling and Rafa... Revenge time. Come on!

2009 repeat ? :D

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 01:03 PM
2009 repeat ? :D
Yeah, but with the result going Robin's way :devil:

born_on_clay
04-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Yeah, but with the result going Robin's way :devil:

hater :devil:

Roamed
04-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Rafa will play Cuevas/Kohlschreiber in the second round apparently.

henke007
04-24-2010, 01:07 PM
Rafa will play Cuevas/Kohlschreiber in the second round apparently.

:haha:

born_on_clay
04-24-2010, 01:07 PM
Rafa will play Cuevas/Kohlschreiber in the second round apparently.

source ? :)

l_mac
04-24-2010, 01:10 PM
source ? :)

Drew Lilley's twitter again.

Roamed
04-24-2010, 01:15 PM
Federer facing the winner of Baghdatis/Gulbis in the first round. Haha.

Other interesting match-ups in the first round include Ivan Ljubicic – Paul-Henri Mathieu, Igor Andreev – Juan Monaco, Janko Tipsarevic – Jérémy Chardy (with the winner earning a crack at Djokovic in the next round), and an Italian derby between Andreas Seppi and Fabio Fognini for the right to take on Andy Murray. With the Scotsman out of sorts at the moment, whichever Italian wins will be confident of claiming a big scalp in front of a partisan crowd.

http://www.internazionalibnlditalia.it/1/PopNews.asp?LNG=EN&IDNews=536

zlaja777
04-24-2010, 01:16 PM
Weird situation, but we should get used to it. I would love the same at RG. :music:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 01:16 PM
Federer :haha:

henke007
04-24-2010, 01:23 PM
Well Baggy and Gulbis are clowns on clay

Langers
04-24-2010, 01:27 PM
Why is this funny?

Federror will crash out prior to the SF anyway...

l_mac
04-24-2010, 01:28 PM
Some more detail:

The 16 seeds all have a bye in the first round but there are already a number of big matches in store for the second round. Nadal will face the winner of Pablo Cuevas and dangerous German Philipp Kohlschreiber, ranked No.28 in the world and a tough nut for anyone to crack so early in the tournament. Federer meanwhile will have to take on whoever emerges victorious from the Marcos Baghdatis – Ernests Gulbis match which is one of the main ties of the first round.

Other interesting match-ups in the first round include Ivan Ljubicic – Paul-Henri Mathieu, Igor Andreev – Juan Monaco, Janko Tipsarevic – Jérémy Chardy (with the winner earning a crack at Djokovic in the next round), and an Italian derby between Andreas Seppi and Fabio Fognini for the right to take on Andy Murray. With the Scotsman out of sorts at the moment, whichever Italian wins will be confident of claiming a big scalp in front of a partisan crowd.


It's funny because it's what all MTF (Rafa haters) wanted.

A_Skywalker
04-24-2010, 01:29 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, humilate them.

henke007
04-24-2010, 01:33 PM
there is only 8 Byes

Priam
04-24-2010, 01:39 PM
the entire draw is out http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/416/mds.pdf

coonster14
04-24-2010, 01:41 PM
yup, main draw is out, found this on ATP site. http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2010/416/mds.pdf

^^ yeh there are only 8 byes...not 16!!!

Fedal SF, nice!!! lets hope they BOTH get to the SF this time...

emotion
04-24-2010, 01:41 PM
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Certinfy
04-24-2010, 01:42 PM
Great draw for Nando :D Horrible draw for Berdych :(

Stelle
04-24-2010, 01:42 PM
How is Gulbis a clown on clay, he didn't get to the quarters of the french and this week in Barcelona for doing nothing? How is Baghdatis on clay??

Comeee Onnn Gulbisss

vn01
04-24-2010, 01:43 PM
GREAT.I am sooooo happy

ImmzB
04-24-2010, 01:43 PM
Vamos Rafa!

Commander Data
04-24-2010, 01:44 PM
Excellent!

born_on_clay
04-24-2010, 01:48 PM
revenge time Toad !!!

rocketassist
04-24-2010, 01:48 PM
:lol: at all the Nadal fangirls jizzing in their pants at the prospect of 'revenge' over Soderking.

The Fog will want revenge on Murray for last year's crazy Monte Carlo clash.

I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

Glad there is FINALLY a draw Fedal are in same 1/2

:haha: might not be a fan of Nadal, but Faker only as good as him in his daydreams.

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 01:51 PM
:lol: as if Federer is getting to the semi final

he wouldnt have got that far before the draw was made but you can be sure he wont come close to it now

Roamed
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
How is Gulbis a clown on clay, he didn't get to the quarters of the french and this week in Barcelona for doing nothing? How is Baghdatis on clay??

Comeee Onnn Gulbisss

It's his worst surface stats-wise, 19-15 lifetime W/L record.

MrChopin
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
It's funny because it's what all MTF (Rafa haters) wanted.

:lol: :hug:

l_mac
04-24-2010, 01:52 PM
[1] FEDERER, Roger (SUI) vs BYE
BAGHDATIS, Marcos (CYP) vs GULBIS, Ernests (LAT)
VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA) vs MAYER, Florian (GER)
BENNETEAU, Julien (FRA) vs [15] QUERREY, Sam (USA)

[11] LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO) vs MATHIEU, Paul-Henri (FRA)
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) vs KUBOT, Lukasz (POL)
BECKER, Benjamin (GER)vs LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
BYE vs [8] CILIC, Marin (CRO)

[3] NADAL, Rafael (ESP) vs BYE
CUEVAS, Pablo (URU)vs KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER)
HANESCU, Victor (ROU) vs BERRER, Michael (GER)
ANDREEV, Igor (RUS) vs [16] MONACO, Juan (ARG)

[10] BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) vs Qualifier
MELZER, Jurgen (AUT) vs WAWRINKA, Stanislas (SUI)
LORENZI, Paolo (ITA) vs MONTANES, Albert (ESP)
BYE vs [5] SODERLING, Robin (SWE)

[7] TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) vs BYE
TROICKI, Viktor (SRB) vs DE BAKKER, Thiemo (NED)
QUALIFIER vs BECK, Andreas (GER)
QUALIFIER vs [12] FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)

[13] FERRER, David (ESP) vs KOROLEV, Evgeny (KAZ)
QUALIFIER vs STARACE, Potito (ITA)
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) vs FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA)
bye vs [4] MURRAY, Andy (GBR)

[6] VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) vs bye
BOLELLI, Simone (ITA) vs QUALIFIER
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) vs QUALIFIER
HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS) vs [9] YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)

[14] ISNER, John (USA) vs ZEBALLOS, Horacio (ARG)
BELLUCCI, Thomaz (BRA) vs QUALIFIER
TIPSAREVIC, Janko (SRB) vs CHARDY, Jeremy (FRA)
BYE vs [2] DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB)

Most lopsided draw ever?

henke007
04-24-2010, 01:56 PM
Robin couldn't have gotten a more shittier draw, Montanes , Berdych, Rafa ... Verdasco offcourse got cake

misty1
04-24-2010, 01:58 PM
this draw sucks out loud
rafa alone will probably end up taking out 4 of the players that i like alone, if they get that far

l_mac
04-24-2010, 02:01 PM
[6] VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) vs bye
BOLELLI, Simone (ITA) vs QUALIFIER
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) vs QUALIFIER
HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS) vs [9] YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)

[14] ISNER, John (USA) vs ZEBALLOS, Horacio (ARG)
BELLUCCI, Thomaz (BRA) vs QUALIFIER
TIPSAREVIC, Janko (SRB) vs CHARDY, Jeremy (FRA)
BYE vs [2] DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB)

:haha: :haha:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 02:11 PM
With hope Robin may tank against Tomas to avoid Rafa until RG, but then Tomas might get killed by Rafa :unsure:

Jomp1
04-24-2010, 02:12 PM
I have never seen a worse draw in my life. Verdasco is close to, if not, a friggin favorite on his half :lol::lol:

Sod with Montanes, Berdych, Rafa and Fed to even reach the final. The R16 is probably harder than the actual final.. :o Meanwhile it's mug open on the lower half..

UsD.AnDreS
04-24-2010, 02:13 PM
Potential 3rd round clash Nadal-Berrer. Hope Nadal is able to make it to the 3rd round. Just can't wait

Goldenoldie
04-24-2010, 02:14 PM
[1] FEDERER, Roger (SUI) vs BYE
BAGHDATIS, Marcos (CYP) vs GULBIS, Ernests (LAT)
VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA) vs MAYER, Florian (GER)
BENNETEAU, Julien (FRA) vs [15] QUERREY, Sam (USA)

[11] LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO) vs MATHIEU, Paul-Henri (FRA)
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) vs KUBOT, Lukasz (POL)
BECKER, Benjamin (GER)vs LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
BYE vs [8] CILIC, Marin (CRO)

[3] NADAL, Rafael (ESP) vs BYE
CUEVAS, Pablo (URU)vs KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER)
HANESCU, Victor (ROU) vs BERRER, Michael (GER)
ANDREEV, Igor (RUS) vs [16] MONACO, Juan (ARG)

[10] BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) vs Qualifier
MELZER, Jurgen (AUT) vs WAWRINKA, Stanislas (SUI)
LORENZI, Paolo (ITA) vs MONTANES, Albert (ESP)
BYE vs [5] SODERLING, Robin (SWE)

[7] TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) vs BYE
TROICKI, Viktor (SRB) vs DE BAKKER, Thiemo (NED)
QUALIFIER vs BECK, Andreas (GER)
QUALIFIER vs [12] FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)

[13] FERRER, David (ESP) vs KOROLEV, Evgeny (KAZ)
QUALIFIER vs STARACE, Potito (ITA)
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) vs FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA)
bye vs [4] MURRAY, Andy (GBR)

[b][6] VERDASCO, Fernando (ESP) vs bye
BOLELLI, Simone (ITA) vs QUALIFIER
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo (ESP) vs QUALIFIER
HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS) vs [9] YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)

[14] ISNER, John (USA) vs ZEBALLOS, Horacio (ARG)
BELLUCCI, Thomaz (BRA) vs QUALIFIER
TIPSAREVIC, Janko (SRB) vs CHARDY, Jeremy (FRA)
BYE vs [2] DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB)

Most lopsided draw ever?


Andy MURRAY only seed not printed in bold type. Are you trying to tell us something, Linda? :worship:

DartMarcus
04-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Good luck to:
John Isner
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Marcos Baghdatis
Ivan Ljubicic
Robin Soderling
Andy Murray
Lleyton Hewitt
Janko Tipsarevic

l_mac
04-24-2010, 02:17 PM
Andy MURRAY only seed not printed in bold type. Are you trying to tell us something, Linda? :worship:

Corrected :D

l_mac
04-24-2010, 02:18 PM
:lol: at all the Nadal fangirls jizzing in their pants at the prospect of 'revenge' over Soderking.


:lol: at all the Rafa haters (all amazingly Toad fans :eek: mere coincidence I am sure) jizzing in their pants at the prospect of another loss to Toad.

rocketassist
04-24-2010, 02:20 PM
:lol: at all the Rafa haters (all amazingly Toad fans :eek: mere coincidence I am sure) jizzing in their pants at the prospect of another loss to Toad.

He's not losing to him again on clay.

misty1
04-24-2010, 02:22 PM
well all the murray haters can be happy, there is no way he'll get to the quarterfinals with david ferrer in his way

l_mac
04-24-2010, 02:22 PM
He's not losing to him again on clay.

Toad might not make QF, especially if he is playing the Barca final tomorrow. And he has a hard draw.

Rafa might also fail to make QF, though he rarely loses in the early round of MS events.

Beat
04-24-2010, 02:26 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not. That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

:spit:

nanoman
04-24-2010, 02:29 PM
Roger won't even last to the Semi's.

james82
04-24-2010, 02:46 PM
Seppi vs Fognini i cant wait for this one,it better be on tv here :mad:
some awesome 2nd round matches too

philosophicalarf
04-24-2010, 02:53 PM
well all the murray haters can be happy, there is no way he'll get to the quarterfinals with david ferrer in his way

Wouldn't be so sure, Ferrer usually pretty tired and hopeless in Rome. He's lost his first match there four years in a row.

-Valhalla-
04-24-2010, 03:07 PM
Federror will crash out prior to the SF anyway...

:lol: as if Federer is getting to the semi final

he wouldnt have got that far before the draw was made but you can be sure he wont come close to it now

Roger won't even last to the Semi's.

Plenty of eyebrows will be raised IF Fed fails to make it to the semis. He's been accused of ducking and dodging on previous occasions, but frankly, I’ve never given it much credence. However, if he’s unable to make the appointed time and date with Rafa next Saturday, I may have to reconsider my position.

That said, I fully expect Fed to sack up and take his beating like a man.

rhinooooo
04-24-2010, 03:17 PM
Rafa/Soda... Rafa/Fed...

Why is everyone getting so exicted about these possible rematches.

The big one will be Volandri/Fed.

And good for Italy that one of their players might actually win a match with Seppi/Fognini. Unless they both retire which wouldn't be surprising at the moment.

MrChopin
04-24-2010, 03:17 PM
Plenty of eyebrows will be raised IF Fed fails to make it to the semis. He's been accused of ducking and dodging on previous occasions, but frankly, I’ve never given it much credence. However, if he’s unable to make the appointed time and date with Rafa next Saturday, I may have to reconsider my position.

That said, I fully expect Fed to sack up and take his beating like a man.

:eek: DON'T reconsider your position... PLEASE!

slicekick
04-24-2010, 03:31 PM
Plenty of eyebrows will be raised IF Fed fails to make it to the semis. He's been accused of ducking and dodging on previous occasions, but frankly, I’ve never given it much credence. However, if he’s unable to make the appointed time and date with Rafa next Saturday, I may have to reconsider my position.

That said, I fully expect Fed to sack up and take his beating like a man.



Hehe don't underestimate The Toad who shows he is the real deal, has beaten El Matador in his field last year.;)
Hope a rematch between the fearless norvegian Viking and the raging bull of Manacor:devil:

Persimmon
04-24-2010, 03:32 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge


:o

~Maya~
04-24-2010, 03:33 PM
Hehe don't underestimate The Toad who shows he is the real deal, has beaten El Matador in his field last year.;)
Hope a rematch between the fearless norvegian Viking and the raging bull of Manacor:devil:

Who is Norwegian Viking?

Chiakifug
04-24-2010, 03:36 PM
People expect Fed to make the semis?

Aaric
04-24-2010, 03:38 PM
Omg why is Stan always so unlucky with his draws :bigcry: Melzer,Soderling, Nadal, Federer...while there´s a quarter with Murray and Tsonga :retard:
:o

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 03:42 PM
Yeah and Berdych R2 as well. Stan :hug:

Persimmon
04-24-2010, 03:43 PM
Most lopsided draw ever?

Indeed. The bottom half is a joke. The top half is too strong:o

tsonga12345
04-24-2010, 03:44 PM
de Bakker could make the final...

R1: Troicki
R2: Tsonga (beaten at Barca)
R3: Ferrero (beaten at Barca)
QF: Ferrer/Murray (:haha:)
SF: Djoker/Verdasco.

Aaric
04-24-2010, 03:45 PM
Yeah and Berdych R2 as well. Stan :hug:

Oh my :spit: I had forgotten Tomas... :bigcry:

paseo
04-24-2010, 03:45 PM
How good is Baghdatis on clay?

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 03:47 PM
Indeed. The bottom half is a joke. The top half is too strong:oTotally agreed.

de Bakker could make the final...

R1: Troicki
R2: Tsonga (beaten at Barca)
R3: Ferrero (beaten at Barca)
QF: Ferrer/Murray (:haha:)
SF: Djoker/Verdasco.:haha: Would be too funny that :haha:

Oh my :spit: I had forgotten Tomas... :bigcry:Well think about the bright side of this, if Stans wins the tournament he'll probably do it with one of the hardest draws in a MS ever :p

Roamed
04-24-2010, 03:58 PM
How good is Baghdatis on clay?

Not good, I expect Gulbis to win that one.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 04:03 PM
Interesting matches on the whole, it's a decent draw. Top half is better, but bottom half also has some potential for exciting play.

A Thiemo vs. Tsonga rematch would be great.

I think Gulbis will beat Baghdatis, and give Roger all he can handle.

If Djokovic doesn't start playing better, Bellucci could beat him.

The potential Rafa vs. Soderling match is definitely questionable, since Stan loves Rome and Berdych is playing great. But it would be nice to see Nadal shut his ignorant haters up, and hang a 0 and 1 performance on Robin again.

Rafa is the favorite regardless of his draw. He's got some potentially tough matches, but I don't see him losing, especially with him being rested, and the rain that is supposed to be through the week, which will slow the court down. If anyone is doubting Rafa on clay, you're blind or crazy.

marcRD
04-24-2010, 04:07 PM
Hehe don't underestimate The Toad who shows he is the real deal, has beaten El Matador in his field last year.;)
Hope a rematch between the fearless norvegian Viking and the raging bull of Manacor:devil:

He is not a noregian wussy, norwegian vikings couldnt even fight (all they did was go around the world looking for territories without people to fight, like Iceland and America...)

-Valhalla-
04-24-2010, 04:14 PM
Hope a rematch between the fearless norvegian Viking and the raging bull of Manacor:devil:

Rafito will force-feed the Swedish Clown more bagels and breadsticks.

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Certinfy
04-24-2010, 04:21 PM
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Something like this would be even better ;)

slicekick
04-24-2010, 04:21 PM
He is not a noregian wussy, norwegian vikings couldnt even fight (all they did was go around the world looking for territories without people to fight, like Iceland and America...)

Sorry bad my mistake marcRD and Maya.
Thanks marcRD for correcting me anyways, nice to read your posts which are always interesting.

I refer to the swedish warrior actually.

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philosophicalarf
04-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Omg why is Stan always so unlucky with his draws :bigcry: Melzer,Soderling, Nadal, Federer...while there´s a quarter with Murray and Tsonga :retard:
:o

Yeah, unbelievably awful. Form Melzer, then form Berdy, then form Sod. Oh, then Nadal then Fed to make the final.

Then again, his fault for letting his ranking slide.

GasquetFan
04-24-2010, 04:23 PM
^^^

:haha: Wow.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 04:35 PM
a43Q22VDP_U

Something like this would be even better ;)

I'm not a raging Nadal fan or apologist, but to have to actually use an example of someone beating a player injured as some type of example your favorite is better than him is pretty desperate, and pathetic.

malisha
04-24-2010, 04:36 PM
Why does Soda need to meat Clay GOAT in the 1/4 and not one of the other rescent failures!!

dont worry about that

Soda wont reach 1/4

malisha
04-24-2010, 04:47 PM
I'm not a raging Nadal fan or apologist, but to have to actually use an example of someone beating a player injured as some type of example your favorite is better than him is pretty desperate, and pathetic.

:haha:

Ales_Alessandra
04-24-2010, 04:49 PM
This is gonna be very interesting!:aplot: Plus a possible Soderling meet up! Oh yeah! Rafa show what have to RG!

malisha
04-24-2010, 04:52 PM
Soderling is playing Montanes...and its not going to be easy....Berdych,Wawrinka or Melzer next


all even matchups....cant see why you all think he is going to win those matches

oranges
04-24-2010, 04:58 PM
:haha:

+1 I could swear I saw him running like a rabbit as usual :lol:

Nidhogg
04-24-2010, 05:16 PM
The top half, and in particular the second quarter, is simply brutal. You'd have to be a brave soul to bet against Nadal winning this title, but hopefully he will receive some sterner tests than he did in Monte Carlo.

I can hardly believe that Verdasco fought so hard to turn around his match against Ferrer instead of taking his foot off the gas in the second set when I see his draw here, but I guess it was released around the same time as he played today.

pica_pica
04-24-2010, 05:24 PM
I'm so excited! :woohoo: Can't wait for next week!!!
Federer-Nadal finally in the same half! This means they'll have a higher chance meeting each other :cool:
Rafa-Sod is a MUST watch :drool:
The Tsonga-Murray quarter is obviously a joke :spit:
Hope Nole finds his serve and FH back, his draw looks tough too...:unsure:

andy neyer
04-24-2010, 05:37 PM
Sorry bad my mistake marcRD and Maya.
Thanks marcRD for correcting me anyways, nice to read your posts which are always interesting.

I refer to the swedish warrior actually.

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Well, some of the inhabitants of current Sweden were also vikings back in the old days, I think, so you can still call Soderling a Swedish viking...

How awesome would it be if Soderling takes out Rafa in the QF... But I'm certainly not counting on it.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
What you're doing is worse actually, you're a biased tard in the guise of a "neutral" fan, thus giving yourself an elevated pedastel, perceptually enhancing the worthiness of your conjectures implying that Nadal only lost at the French because he was "injured", and inadvertently denigrating the superlative achievment of his opponent Soderling who beat him far, square whilst he was in "good health" and "form", especially in light his performances in the previous rounds as well as his own perception about his state of health.

Losses translating into "delibitating" injuries has been the norm for Nadal for quite a while.

I never said Soderling only won because of Nadal being hurt. Clearly, Nadal was injured, since he was advised to maybe not even play the French, and had to miss time afterward, so I don't really understand the quotation marks. Soderling took advantage of the situation and played a great match, and that is undeniable, but Nadal was hurt. It's that simple. It wasn't a fair fight. To say he beat him fair and square is an absolute farce and delusional, fair and square would be both opponents at 100%, and we saw what happened when they were. And for people to take joy in their player beating someone injured shows to me you don't actually believe that he could win, while healthy. That's desperate actions.

I'm not a tard, I don't use or believe in that type of computer lingo, it's lame. I am a Nadal fan, but I also like Soderling, but tennis is my #1 love, and that is the difference between me and people like you, you are driven by hate of Nadal, and that is pathetic. I don't need to give myself a pedestal, everything I am saying has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with stupid people causing drama and acting like immature children.

Nadal has lost matches fair and square, but the FO loss last year wasn't one of them, and matches of him coming off of injury don't qualify either. You are going to have to find another way to feed off your petty hate for Rafael than to revel in the misfortune of someone else.

Steelq
04-24-2010, 05:39 PM
Watch Murray losing to Bye.

koslav85
04-24-2010, 05:53 PM
This tourney would have been a lot better if Del Potro, Davydenko, Roddick, Nalbandian and few others are fit or show up , but since that is not the case, when could we expect the field to be healthier , Madrid or RG ?

Persimmon
04-24-2010, 05:58 PM
Watch Murray losing to Bye.

:spit:

Lleyton_
04-24-2010, 05:59 PM
I'm not a raging Nadal fan or apologist, but to have to actually use an example of someone beating a player injured as some type of example your favorite is better than him is pretty desperate, and pathetic.

Playing the injury card is even more desperate and pathetic.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 06:03 PM
Playing the injury card is even more desperate and pathetic.

And the fact he was injured is a fact his haters are going to have to accept. I mean, sorry to shower on the parade, but your man didn't win fair and square. The truth isn't pathetic, it's reality, and Nadal haters need to take a step into the real world.

Jomp1
04-24-2010, 06:08 PM
I never said Soderling only won because of Nadal being hurt. Clearly, Nadal was injured, since he was advised to maybe not even play the French, and had to miss time afterward, so I don't really understand the quotation marks. Soderling took advantage of the situation and played a great match, and that is undeniable, but Nadal was hurt. It's that simple. It wasn't a fair fight. To say he beat him fair and square is an absolute farce and delusional, fair and square would be both opponents at 100%, and we saw what happened when they were. And for people to take joy in their player beating someone injured shows to me you don't actually believe that he could win, while healthy. That's desperate actions.

I'm not a tard, I don't use or believe in that type of computer lingo, it's lame. I am a Nadal fan, but I also like Soderling, but tennis is my #1 love, and that is the difference between me and people like you, you are driven by hate of Nadal, and that is pathetic. I don't need to give myself a pedestal, everything I am saying has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with stupid people causing drama and acting like immature children.

Nadal has lost matches fair and square, but the FO loss last year wasn't one of them, and matches of him coming off of injury don't qualify either. You are going to have to find another way to feed off your petty hate for Rafael than to revel in the misfortune of someone else.

Moved pretty well to be injured, or did he miss shots because he was injured too? Everybody says he was injured, I can buy that since he didn't play for a while after, but what exactly in his game was affected by it? He was being toyed with side to side and I have no idea what he could've done differently. He fought non-stop, ran till the end in each rally etc. Didn't call any medical timeout either afaik. Well well, as I said Rafa was obivously not 100% but it was a fair and square win on Sods part in my books. I know it's hard to handle that Rafa lost to his arch enemy but whatever, not like it matters at this point.

Smoke944
04-24-2010, 06:22 PM
And the fact he was injured is a fact his haters are going to have to accept. I mean, sorry to shower on the parade, but your man didn't win fair and square. The truth isn't pathetic, it's reality, and Nadal haters need to take a step into the real world.

:lol:

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 06:24 PM
:lol: at this flyboy

another Soderling hata, so much for his little paragrahs on how he is not a hater a few days ago

Nadal fanboy and apologist

l_mac
04-24-2010, 06:36 PM
I'm so excited! :woohoo: Can't wait for next week!!!
Federer-Nadal finally in the same half! This means they'll have a higher chance meeting each other :cool:
Rafa-Sod is a MUST watch :drool:
The Tsonga-Murray quarter is obviously a joke :spit:
Hope Nole finds his serve and FH back, his draw looks tough too...:unsure:
Tsonga-Murray quarter is a joke? And Nole's draw is tough?

:spit:

Have you ever watched tennis?
What you're doing is worse actually, you're a biased tard in the guise of a "neutral" fan, thus giving yourself an elevated pedastel, perceptually enhancing the worthiness of your conjectures implying that Nadal only lost at the French because he was "injured", and inadvertently denigrating the superlative achievment of his opponent Soderling who beat him far, square whilst he was in "good health" and "form", especially in light his performances in the previous rounds as well as his own perception about his state of health.

Losses translating into "delibitating" injuries has been the norm for Nadal for quite a while.

Moved pretty well to be injured, or did he miss shots because he was injured too? Everybody says he was injured, I can buy that since he didn't play for a while after, but what exactly in his game was affected by it? He was being toyed with side to side and I have no idea what he could've done differently. He fought non-stop, ran till the end in each rally etc. Didn't call any medical timeout either afaik. Well well, as I said Rafa was obivously not 100% but it was a fair and square win on Sods part in my books. I know it's hard to handle that Rafa lost to his arch enemy but whatever, not like it matters at this point.

:lol:

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 06:39 PM
:lol: at this flyboy

another Soderling hata, so much for his little paragrahs on how he is not a hater a few days ago

Nadal fanboy and apologist
I actually like Soderling, he seems like a nice guy, I like the fact he is reaching his potential later in his career, and how hard and aggressive he plays.

But on this forum, not trashing Nadal makes you a hater of Federer or Soderling, or madly in love with Nadal. What I actually am is a clear headed person, who isn't driven by hate, and doesn't put anyone above the sport of tennis itself.

What is hilarious truthfully is how delusional some people can be, that they would literally act as if Nadal was not hurt, and that it didn't give Soderling an advantage. So desperate to prove Soderling is the man and better than Rafa, yet Rafa killed him at Rome when they were both at full strength. Such insecurity, just because some can't handle the truth.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 06:41 PM
I actually like Soderling, he seems like a nice guy, I like the fact he is reaching his potential later in his career, and how hard and aggressive he plays.

But on this forum, not trashing Nadal makes you a hater of Federer or Soderling, or madly in love with Nadal. What I actually am is a clear headed person, who isn't driven by hate, and doesn't put anyone above the sport of tennis itself.

What is hilarious truthfully is how delusional some people can be, that they would literally act as if Nadal was not hurt, and that it didn't give Soderling an advantage. So desperate to prove Soderling is the man and better than Rafa, yet Rafa killed him at Rome when they were both at full strength. Such insecurity, just because some can't handle the truth.

You're playing into their hands :lol: Trust me, the best thing to do is ignore any post you disagree with. You know you're right, and they'll never admit you are :shrug: Why waste the energy?

Bilbo
04-24-2010, 06:41 PM
nadal to beat sod and fed in a row. love it!

Mechlan
04-24-2010, 06:42 PM
And the fact he was injured is a fact his haters are going to have to accept. I mean, sorry to shower on the parade, but your man didn't win fair and square. The truth isn't pathetic, it's reality, and Nadal haters need to take a step into the real world.

If Nadal suited up to play, he thought he was ready. If he was injured, he shouldn't have played. I mean, you can't have it both ways. Either play and accept the result either way or don't play. This applies to everyone. Of course Nadal wasn't 100%, but he played and he got beat, there was nothing unfair about it. Soderling had a great tournament including a win over someone who had never been beaten there. Harping on Nadal's injuries takes away from what was Soderling's best ever tournament.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 06:49 PM
Moved pretty well to be injured, or did he miss shots because he was injured too? Everybody says he was injured, I can buy that since he didn't play for a while after, but what exactly in his game was affected by it? He was being toyed with side to side and I have no idea what he could've done differently. He fought non-stop, ran till the end in each rally etc. Didn't call any medical timeout either afaik. Well well, as I said Rafa was obivously not 100% but it was a fair and square win on Sods part in my books. I know it's hard to handle that Rafa lost to his arch enemy but whatever, not like it matters at this point.

Moved pretty well to be injured? He moved horribly, which started the rumors of him being hurt. Also, since it was known after the Daniel match in the first round he was having serious knee trouble. Are you saying he wasn't injured? How can you even go there? What do you think, he lied about his injury and faked the pain and terrible movement for the camera, and then decided not to play Wimbledon to keep the charade going? Are you THAT desperate to justify Soderling beating Nadal and the hate Nadal gets?

How in the world can people try to say Nadal wasn't hurt, or it meant nothing? Like, I know the facts will actually make Soderling's win less meaningful or powerful, but it is reality, whether we like it or not. His movement was affected, which is the basis of his entire game, his physicality. Which affects you mentally. Which affects you getting into position to hit shots, and affects you getting to shots. He fought, and he didn't call a medical timeout, but he never doesn't fight and rarely calls medical timeouts, and he still is not healthy many of those times. He didn't want to use the injury as an excuse, he felt he still could and should win.

What it comes down to is, a fair and square win would have been Soderling beating Rafa at 100%. He played great, and took advantage of the moment, and he deserves credit for that. But it most certainly isn't worthy of the mocking and overt celebration to beat a player when that player is not healthy. It's a good win. I wasn't even upset when Robin won, because I thought it was a good opportunity for Roger to win the title. There is no bias from my side. It's just reality.

Nidhogg
04-24-2010, 06:50 PM
Yawn to this neverending debate. Isn't it well known that Nadal has never lost a match when he's not injured?

Tennis players at the highest level deal with niggles, pain and injuries all the time. Nadal can only blame himself for getting injured with his style of play and scheduling. The entire tour is "lucky" whenever he fucks his knees or some other part of his body up and can't play the way he needs to in order to win every match he plays.

Can we concentrate on the Rome draw now?

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 06:57 PM
If Nadal suited up to play, he thought he was ready. If he was injured, he shouldn't have played. I mean, you can't have it both ways. Either play and accept the result either way or don't play. This applies to everyone. Of course Nadal wasn't 100%, but he played and he got beat, there was nothing unfair about it. Soderling had a great tournament including a win over someone who had never been beaten there. Harping on Nadal's injuries takes away from what was Soderling's best ever tournament.

I agree with most of what you said. Nadal thought he could win regardless of being hurt, and he didn't and much of that is because of Soderling. If you play, you play to win, and if you lose, you lose, that's it. I didn't say it was unfair per se that Nadal lost, but the circumstances were not 50-50, which is what "fair and square" means. Fair and square would be 2 guys at their best playing and one man winning, and that didn't happen. It doesn't take away from Soderling since he DID beat Nadal when 3 other players did not, and that he did play great when given that opportunity. But to say Robin did not get an advantage playing Nadal is just wrong, and to go as far as saying Nadal wasn't hurt or it didn't matter he was hurt is simply delusional.

Also, I think if you have a place in the draw, you play, because that is a spot many players would dream of having, and would play hurt. If you have an opportunity, you take it, and make the best of the situation. I think playing hurt is a part of a champion, digging deep when you are struggling. It's just much harder to do as a tennis player, especially a guy like Nadal who relies on his physical ability so much.

croat123
04-24-2010, 06:58 PM
potential cilic v. ljubo third round :mad:

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 06:58 PM
what a bunch these Nadal fans

you'd think some of them would be able to handle him losing 1 match in 5 years at roland garros after countless other ass kickings and having it so good - like Federer fans did after Wimbledon 2008 final

but the greed and bitterness knows no bounds

Federer fans >>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal fans

Topspin Forehand
04-24-2010, 06:59 PM
What a stupid draw. Must've been created by a Noletard.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 06:59 PM
You're playing into their hands :lol: Trust me, the best thing to do is ignore any post you disagree with. You know you're right, and they'll never admit you are :shrug: Why waste the energy?

Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't. It's so ridiculous, more comical for me than anything else. But whatever keeps someone asleep at night, it's not my problem.

paseo
04-24-2010, 07:01 PM
@ flyboy, are you sure that you're not a raging Nadal fan or apologist?

Topspin Forehand
04-24-2010, 07:01 PM
We all know though that Soderling can't beat Nadal on clay when Nadal is 100%. We saw last week what Nadal at 100% is like as well as Rome last year. Though I don't think Nadal was really 100% anytime after Indian Wells last year.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:02 PM
what a bunch these Nadal fans

you'd think some of them would be able to handle him losing 1 match in 5 years at roland garros after countless other ass kickings and having it so good - like Federer fans did after Wimbledon 2008 final

but the greed and bitterness knows no bounds

Federer fans >>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal fans

Good fans don't expect or accept their favorites losing, ever. They always expect wins. I always expect wins, and I am never happy when my fav doesn't do what is required to make it happen. I'm of the attitude of there only being one winner, and lots of losers, and I don't enjoy supporting losers.

gusavo
04-24-2010, 07:03 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge
you mean a huge edge?

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:03 PM
@ flyboy, are you sure that you're not a raging Nadal fan or apologist?

I don't put any player above the game. I like Soderling and Nadal. I love tennis. I don't need to be a raging Nadal fan to get real with what happened last year at the French. The fact others can't get real is what is hilarious to me.

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 07:04 PM
who can prove that Soderling was 100% at Roland Garros

or maybe injured in that 6-0 6-1 Rome match?

none of those things come into the mind of these know it all's :lol:

l_mac
04-24-2010, 07:04 PM
what a bunch these Nadal fans

you'd think some of them would be able to handle him losing 1 match in 5 years at roland garros after countless other ass kickings and having it so good - like Federer fans did after Wimbledon 2008 final

but the greed and bitterness knows no bounds

Federer fans >>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal fans

:rolls: Well I remember the maturity, poise and grace of the Fed fans in defeat at Wimbledon 08 :D

Good times.

Acer
04-24-2010, 07:06 PM
To all those who've prematurely ejaculated over the Federer-Nadal semi, it won't happen.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:06 PM
You're playing into their hands :lol: Trust me, the best thing to do is ignore any post you disagree with. You know you're right, and they'll never admit you are :shrug: Why waste the energy?

Although you are totally right, and this is petty bullshit and not worth my time on any level, this is honestly so funny to me, I want to see how long they will go with the excuses and venom. It's like a game with them trying to one up me. I want to see how far this is going to go.

Johnny_Bravo
04-24-2010, 07:07 PM
Nando for the title,Vamos!

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 07:07 PM
:rolls: Well I remember the maturity, poise and grace of the Fed fans in defeat at Wimbledon 08 :D

Good times.you know JM and I gave you all (and Rafa) all the props for his lucky win

looking back on it i think Fed might have been injured from the mono

then Cheryl started going on about bad light

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:09 PM
who can prove that Soderling was 100% at Roland Garros

or maybe injured in that 6-0 6-1 Rome match?

none of those things come into the mind of these know it all's :lol:

A player is generally assumed healthy until proven otherwise. Can you prove he was basically playing on two severely damaged legs like Nadal? Can you prove he wasn't 100%? No, you can't, but of course, anything to knock Nadal, and prove Soderling actually won the match fair and square, you will do it.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 07:11 PM
you know JM and I gave you all (and Rafa) all the props for his lucky win

looking back on it i think Fed might have been injured from the mono

then Cheryl started going on about bad light

:lol: Mikey, of course I wasn't meaning you or JM :hug: Just like I'm sure you weren't counting me in the bad Rafatard number. Remember I had a Toad-king sig after he sent Rafa packing last year.

(I think you'll find it was Fed who went on about bad light, and Cheryl merely commented on his moaning. :D)

The more I look at Nole's quarter, the more I laugh. Isner :scared:

Topspin Forehand
04-24-2010, 07:12 PM
To all those who've prematurely ejaculated over the Federer-Nadal semi, it won't happen.
Why not?

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:12 PM
Anyway, this is actually getting on my nerves now, very annoying. Soderling did great, he deserves credit for taking advantage of Nadal and his misfortune. But to say that it didn't play a factor in the match, and it doesn't change the story of that event, is just wrong.

So, I won't take part in derailing this thread anymore. Everyone can dream of their main man Soderling beating a faking injury terrible player in Nadal, and I don't care. Whatever keeps you alive.

doublebackhand
04-24-2010, 07:13 PM
OMG! Another Nadal Verdasco masters final in a month!?!?! At least this time Rafa has to beat some top 10ers to win the title (i hope) and the final will be a slightly more interesting affair, say 6-2 6-2?

l_mac
04-24-2010, 07:13 PM
So, I won't take part in derailing this thread anymore. Everyone can dream of their main man Soderling beating a faking injury terrible player in Nadal, and I don't care. Whatever keeps you alive.

:lol: They don't even believe it, just want to get a rise out of people.

Back to topic, boys and girls.


Anyone want to post their QF predictions?

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 07:14 PM
A player is generally assumed healthy until proven otherwise. Can you prove he was basically playing on two severely damaged legs like Nadal? Can you prove he wasn't 100%? No, you can't, but of course, anything to knock Nadal, and prove Soderling actually won the match fair and square, you will do it.STFU

you make it sound like he was ready for the wheelchair :lol::cuckoo:

Hewitt must be stunned to lose 6-1 6-3 6-1 two days before to a player who was on his deathbed

Arkulari
04-24-2010, 07:15 PM
it was bound to happen sooner or later, let's see if Roger can make it so far as to face Rafa :lol:

Acer
04-24-2010, 07:15 PM
Why not?

Federer won't make it

Snowwy
04-24-2010, 07:16 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

:lol:

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:18 PM
STFU

you make it sound like he was ready for the wheelchair :lol::cuckoo:

Hewitt must be stunned to lose 6-1 6-3 6-1 two days before to a player who was on his deathbed

He had to miss 3 months of the season with the knee problems.

Hewitt was also injured in the match, and clay is his worst surface.

Truth hurts.

Har-Tru
04-24-2010, 07:18 PM
WOOOW Djokovic, Murray , Tsonga and Verdaso in the same half . The most powerful half of masters 1000 tournaments ever . Only Cilic is missing for full party

Do you sleep wrapped in a Croatian flag?

Cilic sucks.

Bilbo
04-24-2010, 07:19 PM
it was bound to happen sooner or later, let's see if Roger can make it so far as to face Rafa :lol:

i doubt we will even see a fed-nadal sf to be honest. fed will probably chicken out before :lol:

star
04-24-2010, 07:19 PM
you know JM and I gave you all (and Rafa) all the props for his lucky win

looking back on it i think Fed might have been injured from the mono

then Cheryl started going on about bad light

I don't remember that. :p

:lol:

I'm sure Feddie was injured from the mono -- and, as he said, hampered by the bad light because good sight is more important for an artist.

paseo
04-24-2010, 07:19 PM
Watch Murray losing to Bye.

:lol:

gusavo
04-24-2010, 07:20 PM
I'm not a raging Nadal fan or apologist, but to have to actually use an example of someone beating a player injured as some type of example your favorite is better than him is pretty desperate, and pathetic.
lol
and yes, people are definitely claiming that. the volandri fans also claim that volandri is better than federer.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:22 PM
:lol: They don't even believe it, just want to get a rise out of people.

Back to topic, boys and girls.


Anyone want to post their QF predictions?

Well, I'm not going to allow it to work on me.

Anyway! QF predictions:

Fed vs. Almagro

Rafa vs. Berdych

Ferrero vs. Ferrer (not confident about this one)

Youzhny vs. Djokovic

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 07:24 PM
Well, I'm not going to allow it to work on me.

too late, coz you did

you have shown everyone you are a fanboy excuse maker

Noleta
04-24-2010, 07:24 PM
Tasty draw...on paper.

Filo V.
04-24-2010, 07:26 PM
too late, coz you did

you have shown everyone you are a fanboy excuse maker

I live in reality, and many here clearly don't. Truth isn't excuses.

Nidhogg
04-24-2010, 07:32 PM
It's funny how much people care for convincing others that they don't care.

I'd like to see Federer not clowning around completely here, but that may be too much to ask. The way Monaco has been playing lately (and his alleged injury), Andreev should beat him comfortably.
Cuevas - Kohlschreiber has the makings of a nice matchup, but I doubt there will be a stream for this one.

Murray has to focus on just winning a match.

There are a lot of other promising first and potential second round clashes as well. Yippiekiyay.

ZaZoo)
04-24-2010, 07:40 PM
I can bet Fed wont reach SF even though he can reach it with ease.

paseo
04-24-2010, 07:56 PM
Nadal won't even reach the QF, cause Berrer will have his revenge!!

habibko
04-24-2010, 08:01 PM
Federer won't make it that far anyway -___-

:lol: as if Federer is getting to the semi final

he wouldnt have got that far before the draw was made but you can be sure he wont come close to it now

are you suggesting he will tank?! :eek: :eek: :eek: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles:

gusavo
04-24-2010, 08:02 PM
To say he beat him fair and square is an absolute farce and delusional, fair and square would be both opponents at 100%, and we saw what happened when they were.
and we saw what happened when bennetau and federer met, bennetau is the goat. GET REAL ARGUMENTS

And for people to take joy in their player beating someone injured shows to me you don't actually believe that he could win, while healthy.
thats not what it shows, lol. it shows that they are happy about the result that occured


But on this forum, not trashing Nadal makes you a hater of Federer or Soderling, or madly in love with Nadal. What I actually am is a clear headed person, who isn't driven by hate, and doesn't put anyone above the sport of tennis itself.
yes you are so great. your arguments are horrible

What is hilarious truthfully is how delusional some people can be, that they would literally act as if Nadal was not hurt, and that it didn't give Soderling an advantage. So desperate to prove Soderling is the man and better than Rafa
thats what theyre doing where?

You're playing into their hands :lol: Trust me, the best thing to do is ignore any post you disagree with. You know you're right, and they'll never admit you are :shrug: Why waste the energy?
youre saying your side is unable to counter our arguments?

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 08:05 PM
are you suggesting he will tank?! :eek: :eek: :eek: :speakles: :speakles: :speakles:think lack of matches plus the usual non-GS form is bound to kick in somewhere before sF, thought that even before i seen the draw

rocketassist
04-24-2010, 08:07 PM
We all know though that Soderling can't beat Nadal on clay when Nadal is 100%. We saw last week what Nadal at 100% is like as well as Rome last year. Though I don't think Nadal was really 100% anytime after Indian Wells last year.

Nadal is never 100% when he loses.

MIMIC
04-24-2010, 08:22 PM
And the fact he was injured is a fact his haters are going to have to accept. I mean, sorry to shower on the parade, but your man didn't win fair and square. The truth isn't pathetic, it's reality, and Nadal haters need to take a step into the real world.

Someone get the ATP and ban this cheater :mad:.

I hate it when players resort to unfair tactics to win. I used to have so much respect for Soderling. :sad:

habibko
04-24-2010, 08:24 PM
think lack of matches plus the usual non-GS form is bound to kick in somewhere before sF, thought that even before i seen the draw

I think the same, but your last statement there suggests he is likely to tank now because Nadal awaits in SF, appalling suggestion.

btw you are right, Federer fans are definitely >>>>>>>>>>>> Nadal fans here in MTF.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 08:25 PM
youre saying your side is unable to counter our arguments?

No, I'm saying that even though the haters know "my side" is right, they'd never admit it here and that such arguments are therefore a collosal waste of time and effort :)

l_mac
04-24-2010, 08:26 PM
Nadal is never 100% when he loses.

:rolls:

nobama
04-24-2010, 08:28 PM
This tourney would have been a lot better if Del Potro, Davydenko, Roddick, Nalbandian and few others are fit or show up , but since that is not the case, when could we expect the field to be healthier , Madrid or RG ?In Roddick's case, I guess Wimbledon.

rwn
04-24-2010, 08:29 PM
i doubt we will even see a fed-nadal sf to be honest. fed will probably chicken out before :lol:

Federer is not such a coward as the Nadal fans. They will claim Nadal is tired when he loses. Remember Madrid last year where Nadal had a walkover and only played 3 matches before the final. What a bunch of losers, those Nadal fans :lol:

MrChopin
04-24-2010, 08:30 PM
EPIC.

It's already happened twice since '05:

TMC '06 Fed d. Nadal 6-4, 7-5
TMC '07 Fed d. Nadal 6-4, 6-1

Either of those EPIC?

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 08:31 PM
I think the same, but your last statement there suggests he is likely to tank now because Nadal awaits in SF, appalling suggestion.

Listen fanboy gloryhunter

he just wont be as 'up for it' in early rounds maybe

he knows Soderling will be raging for revenge in semi final

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 08:36 PM
Federer fans are awesome, well most of them :D

habibko
04-24-2010, 08:42 PM
Listen fanboy gloryhunter

why getting so defensive? :rolleyes:

he just wont be as 'up for it' in early rounds maybe

Federer might lose before SF but Madrid proved he isn't afraid to show up in front of Nadal and beat him as well.

he knows Soderling will be raging for revenge in semi final

:lol:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 08:44 PM
Federer might lose before SF but Madrid proved he isn't afraid to show up in front of Nadal and beat him as well.

Had Nadal won easily in the SF against Djokovic, Federer would have tanked against Del Potro! :)

Bilbo
04-24-2010, 08:45 PM
Federer fans are awesome, well most of them :D

and you are one of them

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 08:46 PM
and you are one of them
...and you're a Gulbis and Berdych tard :wavey:

habibko
04-24-2010, 08:47 PM
Had Nadal won easily in the SF against Djokovic, Federer would have tanked against Del Potro! :)

speculation =/= fact :shrug:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 08:48 PM
speculation =/= fact :shrug:I dunno, it's just MTF logic :shrug:

oranges
04-24-2010, 08:58 PM
No, I'm saying that even though the haters know "my side" is right, they'd never admit it here and that such arguments are therefore a collosal waste of time and effort :)

:lol: Someone please repost those highlights, I'll see the light now. I bet it he was barely moving in the Hewitt match too, it's just that he's so Spartan, only a true fan can discern the difference

andy neyer
04-24-2010, 09:03 PM
This thread shows the true essence of MTF from the first post to the last.

l_mac
04-24-2010, 09:07 PM
This thread shows the true essence of MTF from the first post to the last.

Full on Nadal hating :yeah: :bowdown:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 09:09 PM
I've had enough with Rafatards 'complaining' about the Rafa hate! :rolleyes:

M4RC
04-24-2010, 09:38 PM
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the draw :crazy:

There's no need to postpone it when you have the opportunity to destroy all the bandwagons back-to-back in 2 consecutive matches :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

Haters :devil:

Corey Feldman
04-24-2010, 09:41 PM
so what if Nadal beats Fed here?

who is still the King of Clay and current Roland Garros Champ :confused:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 09:41 PM
so what if Nadal beats Fed here?

who is still the King of Clay and current Roland Garros Champ :confused:Djokovic.

Johnny_Bravo
04-24-2010, 09:45 PM
This thread shows the true essence of MTF from the first post to the last.

and that is: endless arguing about rafa/fed and rafa/soda clash? mtf is more than this,but this thread has its own "essence" right:rolleyes:

Persimmon
04-24-2010, 10:15 PM
Nole always gets the easiest draws:eek:

Mjau!
04-24-2010, 10:29 PM
1. Yeah, it is OK, since Robin wasn't hurt, and on equal chances, Rafa killed him.

2. Nadal was injured last year at the French, so the fact you don't care basically shows to me you are really only in it because you are a hater, and not a Soderling supporter. I mean, think about that. You are pumping your guy up after beating an injured opponent, a couple of weeks after losing to that same player terribly when he was healthy. That's desperate for justification right there.

3. I'm not a tard, since I don't follow any one player over the game itself.

4. Thanks for proving you have no point outside of irrational anger, and hatred towards Nadal, someone you don't know. Whatever keeps you awake and feeling good about yourself and your support in Robin, huh? Yeah.

Real men play through tendonitis.

Mjau!
04-24-2010, 10:35 PM
you know JM and I gave you all (and Rafa) all the props for his lucky win

looking back on it i think Fed might have been injured from the mono

then Cheryl started going on about bad light

Yes, mono ruined Fed's crucial off-season training which set him back until the open. Then we all know that Fed struggled with a back injury from autumn -08 to spring -09. How pathetic of the Nadaltards to celebrate victories against and injured player. Rafa did not win Wimbledon and the AO fair & square!

Don't get me wrong, Nadal did great! He deserves credit for taking advantage of Federer and his misfortune. But to say that it didn't play a factor in the matches, and it doesn't change the story of those events, is just wrong.

Mjau!
04-24-2010, 10:43 PM
It's hilarious how much the Rafatards hate Soderking. It shows how deeply that loss wounded them. They still havent gotten over it.

PiggyGotRoasted
04-24-2010, 11:11 PM
Soderling is equal king piggy roasted with davydenko

M4RC
04-24-2010, 11:22 PM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

With hope Robin may tank against Tomas to avoid Rafa until RG, but then Tomas might get killed by Rafa :unsure:

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http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9000/picture111.png

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he knows Soderling will be raging for revenge in semi final

so what if Nadal beats Fed here?

who is still the King of Clay and current Roland Garros Champ :confused:

Soderling is equal king piggy roasted with davydenko

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n164/lionking_03/guffaw.jpg

Topspin Forehand
04-24-2010, 11:26 PM
Federer is not such a coward as the Nadal fans. They will claim Nadal is tired when he loses. Remember Madrid last year where Nadal had a walkover and only played 3 matches before the final. What a bunch of losers, those Nadal fans :lol:
lol Funny that you forgot the 4 hour marathon match the day before the final.

Topspin Forehand
04-24-2010, 11:27 PM
It's hilarious how much the Rafatards hate Soderking. It shows how deeply that loss wounded them. They still havent gotten over it.
It's more like it's the Rafa haters that keep bringing up Soderling though we know Nadal is superior to Soderling on clay.

Quakes
04-24-2010, 11:33 PM
Fed will tank to Cilic. Mark my words.

Noleta
04-24-2010, 11:39 PM
Federer is not such a coward as the Nadal fans. They will claim Nadal is tired when he loses. Remember Madrid last year where Nadal had a walkover and only played 3 matches before the final. What a bunch of losers, those Nadal fans :lol:

http://i40.tinypic.com/vdjzo4.jpg

A_Skywalker
04-24-2010, 11:50 PM
I loved the video where Soderling pointed other mark, what a loser.

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 11:51 PM
I loved the video where Soderling pointed other mark, what a loser.Na dude, what SoderKing did was legendary :lol:

PiggyGotRoasted
04-24-2010, 11:52 PM
I dont get all the epic fail pics and stuff being posted on this thread.

Just it seems some people can't come up with a decent argument and therefore just post them as thats all they can come up with.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-24-2010, 11:57 PM
hewitts going to take out youzhny, should be a nice match. Djokovic has the easiest draw

andy neyer
04-25-2010, 12:01 AM
I loved the video where Soderling pointed other mark, what a loser.

I didn't understand why Robin did that. Apparently the ball was out and the umpire didn't even know where the ball had landed but why did Robin had to point another mark?

l_mac
04-25-2010, 12:10 AM
I didn't understand why Robin did that. Apparently the ball was out and the umpire didn't even know where the ball had landed but why did Robin had to point another mark?

The ball wasn't out. Looked like Soderling was cheating. He went toward the right mark and saw that it was in and then pointed at a mark about 2 metres away :spit: The umpire watched the mark and pointed it out when he first went down.

LinkMage
04-25-2010, 12:12 AM
Fedmug will blow 10 MPs against Baghdatis, Volandri or Benneteau and lose. :zzz:

octatennis
04-25-2010, 12:38 AM
thank god the santi is going to kick some mug's asses.

gusavo
04-25-2010, 12:43 AM
We all know though that Soderling can't beat Nadal on clay when Nadal is 100%. We saw last week what Nadal at 100% is like as well as Rome last year. Though I don't think Nadal was really 100% anytime after Indian Wells last year.
we all should know that ANYONE can beat nadal when hes at his best. but for some strange reason, very small percent of the world understands that.

I don't put any player above the game. I like Soderling and Nadal. I love tennis. I don't need to be a raging Nadal fan to get real with what happened last year at the French. The fact others can't get real is what is hilarious to me.
haha yes you are so clever and everyone else just refuses to see the truth
what is your viewpoint again?

NADALbULLS
04-25-2010, 12:56 AM
I dunno why people act like Nadal is better than Djokovic nowadays. He's not That being said, on clay, maybe Nadal does have the slight edge

Glad there is FINALLY a draw Fedal are in same 1/2

Were you joking when you said "slight"? Djokovic could barely beat last year's Nadal on clay, so I doubt he'd take a set off this year's Nadal, he'd have about as much success as Verdasco.

Stelle
04-25-2010, 01:15 AM
Fedmug will blow his chances on Gulbis not Baghdatis :)

andy neyer
04-25-2010, 01:20 AM
I think Fedclown will make it to the semis this time. However, once he gets there he'll probably blow a zillion break point chances and lose something like 6-4 7-5 against Nadal

Black Adam
04-25-2010, 01:37 AM
Roger won't even make it that far.

Action Jackson
04-25-2010, 01:45 AM
What a thread, more denials than an AA meeting.

prima donna
04-25-2010, 01:48 AM
What a thread, more denials than an AA meeting.
A fairly accurate assessment.

Greystoke
04-25-2010, 02:21 AM
Cilic will win this and RG and Wimbledon and the US Open and AO and all the Masters in between.
Oh yeah, Davis Cup too.

federernadalfan
04-25-2010, 02:23 AM
ah.. looking forward to rome already :woohoo:
:drool:

Ilovetheblues_86
04-25-2010, 02:40 AM
Hopefully Soda will win tomorrow and tank against Monty. No need to waste time against Nadal until Roland Garros. XD

Topspin Forehand
04-25-2010, 07:43 AM
Hopefully Soda will win tomorrow and tank against Monty. No need to waste time against Nadal until Roland Garros. XD
Someone is scared. lol

Jimnik
04-26-2010, 02:12 AM
JCF has a real shot at the SF or final. *touching Holz*

Hope he takes advantage.

NicoMedellin
04-26-2010, 06:59 AM
Wow a tournament where rafa is going to kick roger and robin asses...and then double bagel whoever he plays in the final xDDD

henke007
04-26-2010, 09:06 AM
Expect Nando to reach final of clown half and get bagled by Rafa!!

Move on to Madrid!!

latso
04-26-2010, 10:15 AM
Guys, why is Andreas Beck a main draw direct acceptance with his 83rd ATP ranking? not a WC, not special protection for injury (or is there?)..

what's the case here?

latso
04-26-2010, 10:43 AM
early making of entry list, capito

why they do that 5 weeks before the tournament...no idea, strange rule imo :rolleyes:

David Kenzie
04-26-2010, 12:50 PM
early making of entry list, capito

why they do that 5 weeks before the tournament...no idea, strange rule imo :rolleyes:

How can the tournament advertise the players if they don't know who's comming ?
And how would players organize their schedule if they don't kwnow in advance if they are in the entry list ?

Jimnik
04-26-2010, 01:55 PM
JCF has a real shot at the SF or final. *touching Holz*

Hope he takes advantage.
Knew he wouldn't let me down. :yeah:


Guys, why is Andreas Beck a main draw direct acceptance with his 83rd ATP ranking? not a WC, not special protection for injury (or is there?)..

what's the case here?
He was ranked high enough 6 weeks ago when the entry list was decided (ie before his Monte-Carlo points came off). His form is very poor atm.

decrepitude
04-26-2010, 05:23 PM
Watch Murray losing to Bye.

He must have beaten Bye, he is on the OOP for the second round tomorrow :)

Corey Feldman
04-26-2010, 06:31 PM
JCF has a real shot at the SF or final. *touching Holz*

Hope he takes advantage.http://www.smilys.net/lachende_smilies/smiley1084.gif

duong
04-26-2010, 07:06 PM
Djokovic and Murray have great draws :cool:

Verdasco is too tired to do anything.

Ferrer and Bellucci also must start being tired as they played a lot as well.

This is dreamy :cool:

especially for Djokovic at least, who looked far better than Murray in Monte-Carlo.

I would be nearly as much surprised not to see Djokovic in the final as not to see Nadal :lol:

Likely final Nadal-Djokovic again

Persimmon
04-26-2010, 07:16 PM
Djokovic and Murray have great draws :cool:

Verdasco is too tired to do anything.

Ferrer and Bellucci also must start being tired as they played a lot as well.

This is dreamy :cool:

especially for Djokovic at least, who looked far better than Murray in Monte-Carlo.

I would be nearly as much surprised not to see Djokovic in the final as not to see Nadal :lol:

Likely final Nadal-Djokovic again


Nadal has a nightmare draw. It is not a foregone conclusion he will reach the final.

Aaric
04-26-2010, 08:21 PM
People actually expecting Murray to win a match :spit:

gorgo1986
04-26-2010, 08:54 PM
It's hilarious how much the Rafatards hate Soderking. It shows how deeply that loss wounded them. They still havent gotten over it.

Its not the loss or Soderling as a person(I don't even know the guy, although some of his attitude in the past has been somewhat immature), its the supposed Soderling fans who do not even like him but jumped on the bandwagon the moment he beat an injured Nadal(who went on to miss Wimbledon). I find it hilarious reading the comments on here, everyone hates Soderling??? Really??? I have seen a lot of posters(Rafa haters) on this board gloating ever since Rafa lost at the French last year, they have been talking about this supposed victory for over a year now. Who cares??? Rafa Nadal has how many titles now??? He has four French Open Crowns! How many does Robin Soderling have??? ZERO!!! Case Closed!(I guess now that Rafa has regained some form, a lot of the posters on here are feeling threatened:p).

I do not want to speculate about Rome and what is going to happen, I will let the tennis speak for itself. VAMOS RAFA!!!

-Valhalla-
04-26-2010, 09:52 PM
It's hilarious how much the Rafatards hate Soderking. It shows how deeply that loss wounded them. They still havent gotten over it.

The stunt he pulled at Wimbledon ’07 and the bogus ball mark last year in Rome were enough for any tennis fan/sportsman to dislike him, much less a Rafa fan. Both incidents took place before the loss at RG.

duong
04-26-2010, 10:21 PM
Nadal has a nightmare draw. It is not a foregone conclusion he will reach the final.

For anybody else, it would be an awful draw, but for him it's easy :lol:

he has 5 years and one tournament of results to speak ;)

Actually the draw is not well balaned at all, but if they put all of the good players in Nadal's part, it means as many players who have no chance to reach the final ;) ... and the draw is dreamy for the others.

I do not want to speculate about Rome and what is going to happen, I will let the tennis speak for itself. VAMOS RAFA!!!

it's easy to let tennis speak when you're a Rafa's fan on clay :lol:

Federer can be beaten everywhere, Nadal on clay "de nada" except earthquake :lol:

Corey Feldman
04-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Nadal's biggest troubles before he plays a clay tournament is thinking about his winning speech in 7 days time

duong
04-26-2010, 10:27 PM
Nadal's biggest troubles before he plays a clay tournament is thinking about his winning speech in 7 days time

from the article about his press conference yesterday, it seems that his biggest trouble was about answering "are you the favorite" once again :lol:

he's never liked being the favorite, that's his biggest problem :lol:

M4RC
04-26-2010, 11:39 PM
The stunt he pulled at Wimbledon ’07 and the bogus ball mark last year in Rome were enough for any tennis fan/sportsman to dislike him, much less a Rafa fan. Both incidents took place before the loss at RG.

Truer impossible.

Nidhogg
04-27-2010, 02:36 AM
The stunt he pulled at Wimbledon ’07 and the bogus ball mark last year in Rome were enough for any tennis fan/sportsman to dislike him, much less a Rafa fan. Both incidents took place before the loss at RG.

Tennis fans and sportsmen must have had a hard time getting by during the days of Nastase, McEnroe, Connors etc, and it's not like Söderling is the only guy around today acting like an ass on court every now and then throwing tantrums, using your position to get away with things and what not.

I myself had quite a laugh at the tug he did at Wimby. He and Nadal had played for hours stretching over several days with those constant rain delays, and Nadal was doing is usual routine abusing the time clock to the extreme all the time, making Söderling wait for him every time. And so this one time Söderling makes him wait, and Nadal wants to have a laugh about it involving the crowd. All he did then was respond, and people all over the world went "OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!". Funny. :lol:

We're probably destined to chat about anything but the Rome draw in here, but to throw in something related ahead of their possible meeting here (though there's little point in taking things for granted with Söderling), it's obvious that Nadal is an enormous favourite should they clash. I would expect Nadal to win in straights, but it won't necessarily involve bagels and breadsticks. If Nadal keeps on with his timewasting I'd be overjoyed to see Robin or anyone else for that matter call him on it again, but I doubt it will happen. ;)

I was surprised to see Monaco come through today, but Andreev is quite simply clutch.

duong
04-27-2010, 07:25 AM
If Nadal keeps on with his timewasting I'd be overjoyed to see Robin or anyone else for that matter call him on it again, but I doubt it will happen. ;)

I would prefer them to concentrate on their game : Tsonga cared too much about that and completely lost his concentration ;)

I would like the umpires to care about that, not the opponent :lol:

But anyway, he does it quite less on clay, at least intentionally : he knows he doesn't need that to win, and only waits long after a long point ... and usually at this moment the opponent needs it as well :lol:

-Valhalla-
04-27-2010, 09:59 AM
Tennis fans and sportsmen must have had a hard time getting by during the days of Nastase, McEnroe, Connors etc, and it's not like Söderling is the only guy around today acting like an ass on court every now and then throwing tantrums, using your position to get away with things and what not.

I have no problem with gamesmanship, but Soderling made it personal and it wasn't just the mock butt-picking ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/04/AR2007070401540.html .

Also, Nastase and Connors were brilliant showmen in tennis’ Wild West days and Mac a mad genius. All were legends and multiple GS winners [no Jeff Tarangos :lol: ] who brought plenty of interest to the game with their charisma and craft.

Soderling? An undistinguished player at the time with a cranky disposition showing-up the world #2 on Centre Court, big time.

There is a difference.


I would prefer them to concentrate on their game : Tsonga cared too much about that and completely lost his concentration ;)

I would like the umpires to care about that, not the opponent :lol:

Agreed ;)

Action Jackson
04-27-2010, 10:02 AM
I have no problem with gamesmanship, but Soderling made it personal and it wasn't just the mock butt-picking [ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/04/AR2007070401540.html ].

Also, Nastase and Connors were brilliant showmen in tennis’ Wild West days and Mac a mad genius. All were legends and multiple GS winners [no Jeff Tarangos :lol: ] who brought plenty of interest to the game with their charisma and craft.

Soderling? An undistinguished player at the time with a cranky disposition showing-up the world #2 on Centre Court, big time.

There is a difference.


No there isn't a difference. Running across the net and rubbing a ballmark out before it can be checked, that is classic showmanship.

Gamesmanship and poor behaviour is just that irrespective of ranking.

-Valhalla-
04-27-2010, 10:25 AM
No there isn't a difference. Running across the net and rubbing a ballmark out before it can be checked, that is classic showmanship.

Gamesmanship and poor behaviour is just that irrespective of ranking.

To me there is a difference. If a journeyman were to go out onto Centre Court and try to pull the shit that a Mac, Connors, or Nastase did, yes, I'd find it far less palatable.

Also, you don't think there's a difference between rubbing out a ballmark and mocking someone's personal habits/idiosyncrasies with MILLIONS of people watching?

Action Jackson
04-27-2010, 10:35 AM
To me there is a difference. If a journeyman were to go out onto Centre Court and try to pull the shit that a Mac, Connors, or Nastase did, yes, I'd find it far less palatable.

Also, you don't think there's a difference between rubbing out a ballmark and mocking someone's personal habits/idiosyncrasies with MILLIONS of people watching?

No, that is you just excusing poor behaviour because Mac, Connors and Nastase were fine tennis players and nothing else.

You don't cross the other side of the net to rub out a ballmark and I don't give a fuck who you are. Do that in a local league match you would get punched.

Nadal uses gamesmanship with the time wasting and getting away with it usually on the big points, but gamesmanship is part of pro sport. If you can't see why the Toad did it, then you are deluded. Was it right, well that is open to interpretation but it provided plenty of laughs and Nadal won that one.

oranges
04-27-2010, 12:04 PM
To me there is a difference. If a journeyman were to go out onto Centre Court and try to pull the shit that a Mac, Connors, or Nastase did, yes, I'd find it far less palatable.

Also, you don't think there's a difference between rubbing out a ballmark and mocking someone's personal habits/idiosyncrasies with MILLIONS of people watching?

So, what you're saying is that they should behave until they've established themselves. I doubt any of the three was waiting for that moment :lol:

Sunset of Age
04-27-2010, 12:13 PM
To me there is a difference. If a journeyman were to go out onto Centre Court and try to pull the shit that a Mac, Connors, or Nastase did, yes, I'd find it far less palatable.

Do I understand you correctly in this, that your judgement on 'good' or 'bad' on-court behaviour of tennis players depends on who that player is? :scratch:

All players show gamesmanship from time to time, and in any case, it's poor behaviour (but all too human, of course) - and it should make no difference who commits it.