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If Nadal had beaten Soderling, would he have won the tournament?

bounccer
04-23-2010, 09:12 AM
Davydenko: Choker

Gonzalez: Mug Backhand

Federer: :lol:

Action Jackson
04-23-2010, 09:14 AM
Would have

Could have

Should have

Might have

But he didn't.

bokehlicious
04-23-2010, 09:18 AM
If Fed didn't catch mono in 2008 he would have managed the calendar slam that year for sure... :sad: :o

thegreendestiny
04-23-2010, 09:20 AM
If Mrs. Nadal had an abortion would Federer have 21 slams by now? :shrug:

paseo
04-23-2010, 09:28 AM
No, lost vs Federer.

duong
04-23-2010, 09:30 AM
Nadal's fans say everywhere that he was terribly injured at that moment then according to their words no he would have retired in one of his next matches :shrug:

It really depends how much you think he was injured :shrug:

Also if he had beaten Söderling in 5 sets it wouldn't have helped his knees :shrug:

Gonzalez played very well in that tournament, considering how short Nadal played in French Open, I think he would have had a good chance. Federer also would have had a good chance if Nadal played so short, because Federer played very well in the last 3 matches of the tournament. But of course there's the problem of pressure, and also the fact that during the day of the final, the weather made the court slower than previous days.

We all know that the best Nadal would have won, but even if Söderling undoubtedly played a huge match, Nadal was not at his best during that tournament.

Castafiore
04-23-2010, 09:35 AM
Nadal's fans say everywhere
Nice sweeping statement.
You're quite fascinated by Nadal judging by your latest posts & essays about him on MTF, aren't you?


Pointless thread. He didn't defeat Söderling, what's more to discuss?

bokehlicious
04-23-2010, 09:39 AM
Pointless thread. He didn't defeat Söderling, what's more to discuss?

Tell your fellow Rafatards not to open such :retard:ed threads every day... Clay season :tape: :banghead:

MariaV
04-23-2010, 09:42 AM
More ammo to the likes of P. Antonius. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Where did that bounccer come from? Someone's old double?

duong
04-23-2010, 09:57 AM
Nice sweeping statement.

I don't know, in a way maybe, but in another way, I perfectly know that I_mac knows Nadal far better than me :worship:

I wouldn't say that for some others like Start Da Game, but I always rely on I_mac's opinions about Nadal. She's an emotional fan, but she's also clever and rational : I trust this part.

You're quite fascinated by Nadal judging by your latest posts & essays about him on MTF, aren't you?

OK I've reached the point of hurting people, I will stop, sorry for that :o :worship:

My point was not much about Nadal but about emotions : as I said it was more about me than about him :o Sorry if you don't like my "essays" :o

Start da Game
04-23-2010, 10:13 AM
no.......davydenko would have had a walk-over the next round.......

kobulingam
04-23-2010, 10:55 AM
Which tournament?

Jills
04-23-2010, 11:52 AM
With the way Fed was playing against Haas, Delpo, even Chucho, LOL, no way he could have beaten Rafa. Fed almost lost that tourney so many times. I don't care if Rafa was on one leg, he's not a choker. Therefore, he would have beaten Fed.

Fed's RG 2009 win* was absolutely pathetic, and the journey was full of lulz. Hence the *asterisk*

DualMedia
04-23-2010, 11:54 AM
Would have

Could have

Should have

Might have

But he didn't.

^^^^ this is the answer!! Rafa could have,should have, might have, but he didn't.

Tutu
04-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Stupid thread.

philosophicalarf
04-23-2010, 12:14 PM
Yes.

But really, who cares?

Roger FF
04-23-2010, 12:19 PM
If Nadal had beaten Murray, he would have won OZ Open 2010.
If Nadal had beaten del Mugro, he would have won US Open 2009.
If Nadal had beaten Soderling, he would have won French Open 2009.
If Nadal had beaten Murray, he would have won US Open 2008.
......... Finish the list by yourself.

EVEN during the dust season, the only time they enjoy tennis, Rafinito tards are able to deliver stuff like this. Amazing!!!

:haha:

Shirogane
04-23-2010, 12:21 PM
Probably, no? Then again, that's the beauty of tennis.

prima donna
04-23-2010, 12:39 PM
Grow up.

Merton
04-23-2010, 01:12 PM
If Soderling had beaten Nadal in 2006 RG would he have won the tournament?

Persimmon
04-23-2010, 01:31 PM
Nope.

Injured Rafa is worthless on any surface, even on clay, think Madrid final. His game is too physical to rely on his serve to save him when he is injured or not fully fit. So Rafa would have lost at RG 2009 to the first good player he played. And no, over the hill Hewitt is not a good player anymore.

MariaV
04-23-2010, 01:36 PM
I don't know, in a way maybe, but in another way, I perfectly know that I_mac knows Nadal far better than me :worship:

I wouldn't say that for some others like Start Da Game, but I always rely on I_mac's opinions about Nadal. She's an emotional fan, but she's also clever and rational : I trust this part.



OK I've reached the point of hurting people, I will stop, sorry for that :o :worship:

My point was not much about Nadal but about emotions : as I said it was more about me than about him :o Sorry if you don't like my "essays" :o

There's nothing wrong with your essays so please don't stop. It would be at least some serious tennis discussion instead of all the bashing and :bs: going on in GM.

coonster14
04-23-2010, 01:36 PM
this is all just speculation, but i find it kind of pointless to think about these things.

simple fact of the matter is that nadal lost fair and square, soderling played a great match, im a rafa fan, but hey i give soderling credit, he just outplayed rafa, and that is all that needs to be said.

fed was almost out against haas in 4th round, and 2 sets to 1 down against del potro in the SF, he could have easily lost last year at the FO before the final, at the end of the day, fed can only play the guy on the other side of the net from him. fed deserved to win FO 2009.

Filo V.
04-23-2010, 01:40 PM
He didn't beat Soderling, so who knows? Life isn't about what if's, it's about reality. What happened happened. If he were destined to win the FO last year, he would have beat Soderling, and he lost, so it's done and dusted.

Persimmon
04-23-2010, 01:47 PM
no.......davydenko would have had a walk-over the next round.......

Agreed...

decrepitude
04-23-2010, 01:53 PM
There's nothing wrong with your essays so please don't stop. It would be at least some serious tennis discussion instead of all the bashing and :bs: going on in GM.

Seconded.

Pirata.
04-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Would have

Could have

Should have

Might have

But he didn't.

Pretty much.

Mats68
04-23-2010, 03:35 PM
No, of course not. He was far from his best. Probably Gonzalez would have beaten him. Even Fed in the final would have had a pretty good chance to win, despite his inferiority complex, against an exhausted and injured Nadal.

marcRD
04-23-2010, 04:23 PM
I have a feeling Davydenko and Gonzo wouldnt be able to take advantage of Nadal not beeing 100%, but I actually think Federer would be the favorite to beat Nadal, he usually does that when Nadal isnt fully fit.

Arkulari
04-23-2010, 05:38 PM
With the way Fed was playing against Haas, Delpo, even Chucho, LOL, no way he could have beaten Rafa. Fed almost lost that tourney so many times. I don't care if Rafa was on one leg, he's not a choker. Therefore, he would have beaten Fed.

Fed's RG 2009 win* was absolutely pathetic, and the journey was full of lulz. Hence the *asterisk*

yeah, yeah, since Roger is the one who has to play for him and his rivals, he has the chance to choose the player he wants to beat in a final

oh wait...

this is just as silly as thinking that Duck's USO 03 victory is due to the fact that Roger lost to Nalbandian rounds earlier :rolleyes:

it's not as if the guys reach the final and win 7 matches in a row or something :o

Priam
04-23-2010, 05:40 PM
While you're at it, he should've won CYGS too.

Shirogane
04-23-2010, 06:05 PM
this is just as silly as thinking that Duck's USO 03 victory is due to the fact that Agassi had lost to Ferrero the fucking day before :rolleyes:

Fixed. :angel:

Commander Data
04-23-2010, 08:04 PM
If Agassi had not met Steffi Graf would he have dated Brook Shields again?

r2473
04-23-2010, 08:06 PM
If Nadal had never lost a match, he would be undefeated

This is true. You can look it up if you want.

DrJules
04-23-2010, 08:11 PM
What happended is what counts.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-24-2010, 03:10 AM
I don't know, in a way maybe, but in another way, I perfectly know that I_mac knows Nadal far better than me :worship:

I wouldn't say that for some others like Start Da Game, but I always rely on I_mac's opinions about Nadal. She's an emotional fan, but she's also clever and rational : I trust this part.



OK I've reached the point of hurting people, I will stop, sorry for that :o :worship:

My point was not much about Nadal but about emotions : as I said it was more about me than about him :o Sorry if you don't like my "essays" :o

your essays are good and insightful, don't listen to the other dude :D

guga2120
04-24-2010, 04:32 AM
No, of course not. Daveydenko, and Federer both would have dispatched him in 3.

Kolya
04-24-2010, 05:19 AM
If Soderling had beaten Federer, who he have won the tournament? :p

Smoke944
04-24-2010, 05:54 AM
If I won the French Open, would I have won the French Open? :confused:

Thread and poll coming in a second...

nanoman
04-24-2010, 07:45 AM
If Nadal had won the French Open, would he have been injured ?

duong
04-24-2010, 08:52 AM
your essays are good and insightful, don't listen to the other dude :D

Don't worry everybody, no special need for all these supports, they're appreciated but no need to pollute too much this topic :)

As for the topic, only something to say about what Jills said : Fed played bad in the beginning of the tournament, great in the final 3 matches, including Del Potro's match.

If one put an asterisk to all the grand slams won by a player after crappy early rounds won very tight, then many grand slam titles would have an asterisk, I think of some of Becker's or even Borg's for instance :lol:

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 11:39 AM
If Nadal had won the French Open, would he have been injured ?
Yes, but he would of still played Wimbledon and stuff. :)

superslam77
04-24-2010, 11:53 AM
If Nadal had won the French Open, would he have been injured ?

:haha:

Tennisman82
04-24-2010, 12:51 PM
Don’t think he would’ve won the tournament, or even made the final. He was playing handicapped and nowhere near his best, remarkable he even made it to 4r!

If he had rested & played a minimal schedule leading up to the FO, things could’ve turned out drastically differently.

As a Nadal fan I’m glad he’s finally seen the light on the schedule issue…

Tennisman82

Persimmon
04-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Don’t think he would’ve won the tournament, or even made the final. He was playing handicapped and nowhere near his best, remarkable he even made it to 4r!

If he had rested & played a minimal schedule leading up to the FO, things could’ve turned out drastically differently.

As a Nadal fan I’m glad he’s finally seen the light on the schedule issue…

Tennisman82

If Rafa plays Madrid then he would be making the same mistake as in 2009.:wavey:

rocketassist
04-24-2010, 07:11 PM
Of course. He was running everywhere that day, not the display of an injured athlete.

MrChopin
04-24-2010, 07:47 PM
If Nadal had won the French Open, would he have been injured ?

This is the answer you're looking for.

Certinfy
04-24-2010, 07:49 PM
Had Nadal beaten Soderling his injury would have been magically gone within a few hours :wavey:

l_mac
04-25-2010, 12:11 PM
Nadal's fans say everywhere that he was terribly injured at that moment then according to their words no he would have retired in one of his next matches :shrug:


I don't know, in a way maybe, but in another way, I perfectly know that I_mac knows Nadal far better than me :worship:


Missed this. Are you implying that I've ever said Rafa was "terribly" injured at RG last year. Because I'm sure that's not what I think, and I don't remember ever saying it here. Nadal's tendonitis isn't something that passes us Rafa fans by, and a large number of us are certainly guilty of assuming the worst every time Rafa bends over to catch his breath. There was a fair amount of anger directed toward Rafa for playing Madrid as by that time many were convinced he was struggling - an opinion cemented by his insistence on playing all his practise sessions behind closed doors. Anyway, there was plenty of hand wringing and disgust the week between Madrid and RG (oh lol how I remember him getting beaten by Dabul in that 1 set exho and the reaction :spit:) and Rafa was being irritating with his press conference answers "How's the knee?" "depends on the day" And after his R1 RG match the Spanish board at one of Rafa's most active fansites were reporting a major issue with the right knee.

That said, Rafa has played RG before having required injections to his foot to get him through it, and against many, many players he would have won that 4th round match. But he wouldn't have won the title, IMO. Not only because of the physical problems - all self inflicted I must say, and that could have been avoided with more sensible scheduling - but because mentally he was in a very bad place.

Tennisman82
04-25-2010, 12:27 PM
If Rafa plays Madrid then he would be making the same mistake as in 2009.:wavey:

Not necessarily.

In 2009 he played all three TMS tournaments + Barcelona, and that meant playing Monte Carlo, Barcelona & Rome consecutively with no rest in-between. That's too much even for a healthy player and Nadal was playing in pain. It was stupidity on Nadal's part.

This year it’s just the three clay masters, he has more time to rest & recharge.

I, too, hope he’ll pull out of Madrid, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. But he should be able to win it if he's fresh and injury-free, two things which he didn't bring to Madrid last year.

Tennisman82.

Persimmon
04-25-2010, 12:47 PM
Anyway, there was plenty of hand wringing and disgust the week between Madrid and RG (oh lol how I remember him getting beaten by Dabul in that 1 set exho and the reaction :spit:) and Rafa was being irritating with his press conference answers "How's the knee?" "depends on the day" And after his R1 RG match the Spanish board at one of Rafa's most active fansites were reporting a major issue with the right knee.

Yeah, that loss to Dabul said it all:o. Rafa had zero chances of winning RG last year. The first good player he met he was going down. And that is exactly what happened(Hewitt coming from surgery and is washed up and is not what he used to be). It was all Rafa's fault for killing himself playing all those clay tournaments:o As well as playing Rotterdam a week after the draining AO. He also played DC:eek: Who comes up with his schedule:o So lousy.


Not necessarily.

In 2009 he played all three TMS tournaments + Barcelona, and that meant playing Monte Carlo, Barcelona & Rome consecutively with no rest in-between. That's too much even for a healthy player and Nadal was playing in pain. It was stupidity on Nadal's part.

This year it’s just the three clay masters, he has more time to rest & recharge.

I, too, hope he’ll pull out of Madrid, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. But he should be able to win it if he's fresh and injury-free, two things which he didn't bring to Madrid last year.

Tennisman82.

IMO if he plays Madrid he won't win the FO. That tournament destroys his rythm and he might get injured again because Madrid is more like a HC covered with a thin layer of clay and favors the big servers. The altitude won't help him.

Tennisman82
04-25-2010, 01:24 PM
Yeah, that loss to Dabul said it all:o. Rafa had zero chances of winning RG last year. The first good player he met he was going down. And that is exactly what happened(Hewitt coming from surgery and is washed up and is not what he used to be). It was all Rafa's fault for killing himself playing all those clay tournaments:o As well as playing Rotterdam a week after the draining AO. He also played DC:eek: Who comes up with his schedule:o So lousy.

Yes. Sadly, I think it took the injury for him and his camp to realise he was destroying himself with that schedule.

I think Rafa should abandon pursuit of regaining no.1 & play to just peak for the majors.


IMO if he plays Madrid he won't win the FO. That tournament destroys his rythm and he might get injured again because Madrid is more like a HC covered with a thin layer of clay and favors the big servers. The altitude won't help him.

I don't think any claycourt no matter how little clay will injure him.

I’m not convinced Madrid ruins his rhythm entirely. He’s adapted so well to other surfaces, especially grass, and I think he can adapt to Madrid. It’s still a very new tournament and he reached the final last year, completely jaded and injured.

But you make very fair points. Let’s wait to see what he does after Rome, he may yet pull out.

Thanks,
Tennisman82.

duong
04-25-2010, 04:48 PM
Missed this. Are you implying that I've ever said Rafa was "terribly" injured at RG last year. Because I'm sure that's not what I think, and I don't remember ever saying it here. Nadal's tendonitis isn't something that passes us Rafa fans by, and a large number of us are certainly guilty of assuming the worst every time Rafa bends over to catch his breath. There was a fair amount of anger directed toward Rafa for playing Madrid as by that time many were convinced he was struggling - an opinion cemented by his insistence on playing all his practise sessions behind closed doors. Anyway, there was plenty of hand wringing and disgust the week between Madrid and RG (oh lol how I remember him getting beaten by Dabul in that 1 set exho and the reaction :spit:) and Rafa was being irritating with his press conference answers "How's the knee?" "depends on the day" And after his R1 RG match the Spanish board at one of Rafa's most active fansites were reporting a major issue with the right knee.

That said, Rafa has played RG before having required injections to his foot to get him through it, and against many, many players he would have won that 4th round match. But he wouldn't have won the title, IMO. Not only because of the physical problems - all self inflicted I must say, and that could have been avoided with more sensible scheduling - but because mentally he was in a very bad place.

no no I was not implying that, I_mac, even if I understand that these two answers together may let think I meant that :shrug:

I had read you and knew you didn't say that.

It's true that the "Rafa's fan" word mentioned was more of a joke directed at Start Da Game and a few others, as Castafiore had guessed :lol:

But I care far more about what you say to be honest ;) :)

And what you say looks much more like what I think : Söderling played great that day, and Nadal should have gon efurther without that, but he was fragile and I don't think he would have won the tournament.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-25-2010, 04:48 PM
Even if Nadal had beat Soderling in RG 09 he would have lost the tournament.

He was too injured to play with any effectiveness and probably would have lost to a weak clay player like Federer even.

Persimmon
04-25-2010, 04:49 PM
Even if Nadal had beat Soderling in RG 09 he would have lost the tournament.

He was too injured to play with any effectiveness and probably would have lost to a weak clay player like Federer even.

Or to Davydenko:wavey:

Matt01
04-25-2010, 05:12 PM
IMO if he plays Madrid he won't win the FO. That tournament destroys his rythm and he might get injured again because Madrid is more like a HC covered with a thin layer of clay and favors the big servers. The altitude won't help him.


Not playing Madrid would basically mean for Rafa 3 weeks off directly before RG. Having no match play on clay at that time might destroy his rhythm as well and would be very dangerous.

duong
04-25-2010, 05:18 PM
Not playing Madrid would basically mean for Rafa 3 weeks off directly before RG. Having no match play on clay at that time might destroy his rhythm as well and would be very dangerous.

I don't think it's a problem : he gets his rhythm quite easily on clay (see his Davis Cup matches and the fact that he always easily won the first clay tournament of the season, Monte-Carlo).

However I don't think he'll skip Madrid unless he's injured.