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Roddick, Kolya, "Delpo??" out of ROME MASTERS

henke007
04-22-2010, 08:15 AM
http://tennisconnected.com/home/2010/04/21/roddick-and-davydenko-out-of-roma-masters/

I am just waiting for Delpo to announce!!

EDIT: just in http://www.federtennis.it/DettaglioNews.asp?IDNews=46483


Atleast Soda and Fed are playing again :worship:

alter ego
04-22-2010, 08:19 AM
Is Del Potro even in Europe ?

oematoema
04-22-2010, 08:40 AM
Roddick, who recently won the Miami Masters 1000 tournament, while making the finals at Indian Wells, will skip the Roma event stating continued fatigue.

Claylover Roddick doing his best to avoid the red mud as long as possible.

henke007
04-22-2010, 08:47 AM
Yep only playing faster high altitude Madrid and RG!!

Björki
04-22-2010, 08:50 AM
Andy :fiery:

Frooty_Bazooty
04-22-2010, 08:53 AM
isn't Roddick on holiday in Hawaii with Brooklyn? that should help his 'fatigue'

Haas, Stepanek, Nalby, Haas and Simon out too

n8
04-22-2010, 09:56 AM
Moya's only 2 places off direct entry now. I hope he makes it and stays injury free.

Acer
04-22-2010, 10:31 AM
He doesn't even try this Roddick, does he?

tennishero
04-22-2010, 10:55 AM
delpo... hes been off for a really long time now.

Action Jackson
04-22-2010, 10:57 AM
Wrist injuries aren't a joke.

nobama
04-22-2010, 11:18 AM
Claylover Roddick doing his best to avoid the red mud as long as possible.What is Roddick fatigued from? Must have been some anniversary in Hawaii with Brooke...

RogerFan82
04-22-2010, 11:42 AM
Who is Del Potro 's doctor/physiotherapist ? Is he getting proper treatment for his wrists ? Very sad to see his rise getting derailed due to injury. I hope he has a good support team around him.

Cmon Delpo, I want to see u play on Clay. Come back soon.

samanosuke
04-22-2010, 12:22 PM
Shame for Del Potro . Entire clay season gone away

mr_burns
04-22-2010, 01:07 PM
hope moya can play then...

philosophicalarf
04-22-2010, 01:18 PM
What is Roddick fatigued from?


The thought of playing on clay.

HarryMan
04-22-2010, 01:35 PM
It is such a shame that del Potro, especially after his performance last year at the French, is missing most of the clay court season, this year. Wrist injuries are never good, and most of the times people never regain their previous form. Hopefully that isn't the case for this young lad. :hug:

tealeaves
04-22-2010, 02:11 PM
NO :sobbing:

LucasArg
04-22-2010, 02:46 PM
Juan Martín is not out (at least not out yet).
And he has started to training intense again.

henke007
04-22-2010, 03:16 PM
Confirmation on Delpos withdrawl
http://www.federtennis.it/DettaglioNews.asp?IDNews=46483

Deboogle!.
04-22-2010, 03:30 PM
He doesn't even try this Roddick, does he?He's made it clear that all he really cares about is Wimbledon at this point. Why should he over-extend himself in the season right before that, where he's not even got a good chance of doing that well anyway?

rubbERR
04-22-2010, 03:34 PM
http://www.dannymiche.com.ar/blog/?p=3841 delpo will b back first week next month.

LucasArg
04-22-2010, 03:38 PM
Yes...
He is coming back after Rome, hopefully he will choose Munich/Belgrade.

henke007
04-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Will he come back to Nole Open :devil:

freeandlonely
04-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Stefanki : Roddick will be another Agassi by skipping clay season, that's just part of our master plan.

Certinfy
04-22-2010, 05:07 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Andy :( Juan :bigcry: Koyla :sad:

Filo V.
04-22-2010, 05:14 PM
Can't wait to see Davydenko and Del Potro back from their long wrist injurt breaks, and it's too bad their clay seasons will be cut so short, but the tournament will be fine without them. Tennis always goes on, and people will always watch, so no-one should act as if these guys are bigger than the sport itself.

Black Adam
04-22-2010, 05:20 PM
Murray should do like Roddick and avoid more unnecessary mental damage.

pica_pica
04-22-2010, 05:30 PM
Juan and Kolya :sad: I sorely miss them :(
What's up with everybody? Either lazy/clay-phobic or too hard-working that injuries are too serious to heal quicky?
Now every tournament seems INCOMPLETE :o That's not ATP1000 events ought to be like :mad:
Now I hope that everyone is back in Roland Garros

scoobs
04-22-2010, 05:33 PM
Roddick is no great loss.

Shame about Kolya though not unexpected.

Disappointing about JMDP though - hopefully he will be back very soon :(

Roddickominator
04-22-2010, 08:05 PM
No surprise Roddick isn't playing....he probably played more matches up through Miami than any player. Then add that it really isn't even worth the effort for him on clay, both because he usually gets poor results and because of his poor movement on the surface that makes him more likely to get injured. Might as well rest up and make sure the little tweaks in his shoulder and knee are worked out before grass season.

Sad to see Del Potro not able to give it a go. But it's definitely best that a wrist injury is 110% healed before playing again.

HKz
04-22-2010, 08:08 PM
isn't Roddick on holiday in Hawaii with Brooklyn? that should help his 'fatigue'

Haas, Stepanek, Nalby, Haas and Simon out too

Uhhh, I don't think so :p in fact, it wouldn't be surprising if he gets injured.... :devil:

Geo
04-22-2010, 08:18 PM
lmfao and this is why it was hard to take Roddick seriously when he complained last year that the season is too long. He takes off about a month and a half after Miami plus other months of rest during the year. :lol:



too bad about the injured guys though :(

xargon
04-22-2010, 08:56 PM
Is Rome a required event?

Certinfy
04-22-2010, 09:26 PM
Is Rome a required event?Yeah.

andy neyer
04-22-2010, 09:38 PM
For a guy who constantly gets praised for his work ethic, it sure kind of put things in perspective that he had chosen to skip Rome. I was a bit surprised, I must say. Last year he wasn't playing bad on the clay and was even able to push Federer to three hard fought sets in the Madrid SF. With the current semi-pushing style he has now, I'd expect him to fare even better on the clay but it seems that he just doesn't care about playing on it.


Oh and for the ones who missed it, yes, I'm talking about Roddick.

Certinfy
04-22-2010, 09:40 PM
For a guy who constantly gets praised for his work ethic, it sure is kind of put things in perspective that he had chosen to skip Rome. I was a bit surprised, I must say. Last year he wasn't playing bad on the clay and was even able to push Federer to three hard fought sets in the Madrid SF. With the current semi-pushing style he has now, I'd expect him to fare even better on the clay but it seems that he just doesn't care about playing on it.


Oh and for the ones who missed it, yes, I'm talking about Roddick.It was the Madrid QF last year ;) But yes I actually totally agree :)

Deboogle!.
04-22-2010, 09:49 PM
For a guy who constantly gets praised for his work ethic, it sure kind of put things in perspective that he had chosen to skip Rome. I was a bit surprised, I must say. Last year he wasn't playing bad on the clay and was even able to push Federer to three hard fought sets in the Madrid SF. With the current semi-pushing style he has now, I'd expect him to fare even better on the clay but it seems that he just doesn't care about playing on it.


Oh and for the ones who missed it, yes, I'm talking about Roddick.How does choosing to skip Rome mean he has a poor work ethic? While his wife was shooting her movie, he was seen running wind sprints on the beach. Like, I agree with you that he could put more effort into the clay season and probably do better if he did. But, why would he want to do that, put that effort in, risk injury on a surface that's not natural for him, and risk tiring himself out, before the single most important tournament for him? Choosing wimbledon over RG doesn't mean he doesn't have a great work ethic.

Ad Wim
04-22-2010, 09:51 PM
Robredo and Gonzalez OUT as well. Injury galore so far this season, my god.

Nole fan
04-22-2010, 09:54 PM
So it will be a Rafa-Nole thing after all. I don't complain. Oops, I forgot Federer will be there too... :p

Ad Wim
04-22-2010, 09:57 PM
And that Nole lost in the SF of MC.

tangerine_dream
04-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Having sex with bikini model wife in Hawaii vs playing on boring Roman clay.

I can't understand why Andy doesn't play Rome either.

andy neyer
04-22-2010, 10:28 PM
How does choosing to skip Rome mean he has a poor work ethic? While his wife was shooting her movie, he was seen running wind sprints on the beach. Like, I agree with you that he could put more effort into the clay season and probably do better if he did. But, why would he want to do that, put that effort in, risk injury on a surface that's not natural for him, and risk tiring himself out, before the single most important tournament for him? Choosing wimbledon over RG doesn't mean he doesn't have a great work ethic.

I didn't say he had a poor work ethic, I merely insinuated that his work ethic was probably not as great as his fans and the media seem to think.

And imo, skipping MC and Rome just because he doesn't like the clay doesn't speak that well of him in terms of efforts and work ethic. If a player does particularly worse on a given surface, then I'd expect him to practice especially more over there and aim at becoming a better player on it. However, Roddick prefers to spend some time at the beaches of Miami with his model wife which is good -it's his decision and if he has a great time then it's great for him and I'll honestly never judge him for choosing that or the other... But then don't expect me to believe that he's some kind of workaholic who spends 8 hours a day training every day of the week like some people seem to think.

Topspin Forehand
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
Uhhh, I don't think so :p in fact, it wouldn't be surprising if he gets injured.... :devil:
Those groin injuries are a bitch. :devil:

Deboogle!.
04-22-2010, 10:42 PM
I didn't say he had a poor work ethic, I merely insinuated that his work ethic was probably not as great as his fans and the media seem to think.

And imo, skipping MC and Rome just because he doesn't like the clay doesn't speak that well of him in terms of efforts and work ethic. If a player does particularly worse on a given surface, then I'd expect him to practice especially more over there and aim at becoming a better player on it. However, Roddick prefers to spend some time at the beaches of Miami with his model wife which is good -it's his decision and if he has a great time then it's great for him and I'll honestly never judge him for choosing that or the other... But then don't expect me to believe that he's some kind of workaholic who spends 8 hours a day training every day of the week like some people seem to think.Again, please explain to me how prioritizing his seasons means anything about his work ethic? No one called him a workaholic, no one says he spends 8 hours a day. But his hard work is reflected in his fitness on court. He doesn't need to play one or two more events to prove he's fit :lol: The problem for him, I imagine, is that moving well on clay involves lots of different muscles. so one can surmise his thinking is, why should i put in the effort to really build this up, take up a lot of energy on various things, for something that's not his priority? The guy played more matches through Miami than anyone on tour, and he's had 2 injuries in the past 6 months. He'd be stupid to over-play. And because he's played 600 matches already, he's allowed a free pass on a masters event. It's a shame he chooses Rome b/c he actually has a better shot at doing well there than most other clay events, but he obviously feels resting and preparing is more important. It's not like he's in Hawaii not working at all. Lots of players go to Hawaii to train in the off-season, there are great facilities there. In fact, more than one off-season Andy himself has gone there to train and he has had some of his best AO results after that time, so, again it doesn't add up. And last year he had his best-ever clay season after getting married and resting a whole lot longer than he had before. Maybe he realized it worked better to take some extensive time off and just show up when he really feels prepared to play the couple events he shows up for. Who knows.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him pulling out, I wish he was playing. But after years of whining about his lack of commitment to doing well on clay, I've given up and accepted his priorities are elsewhere. I just fail to see how that reflects upon his work ethic as a whole. But whatever.

scoobs
04-22-2010, 10:48 PM
I think it's a good idea for Roddick to pull out.

The amount of times he's gotten injured during the clay season is scary - so many times he's gone into RG with a problem and put at risk the grass court season which is far more important to him.

Corey Feldman
04-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Robredo and Gonzalez OUT as well. Injury galore so far this season, my god.

Yep, possibly the shittest tennis season in memory so far.. and i didnt think i'd say that in a year that gave me a Federer-Murray GS Final

Nole fan
04-22-2010, 11:15 PM
Yep, possibly the shittest tennis season in memory so far.. and i didnt think i'd say that in a year that gave me a Federer-Murray GS Final

At least we agree on something Corey. :lol:

andy neyer
04-22-2010, 11:21 PM
Again, please explain to me how prioritizing his seasons means anything about his work ethic?

The thing is, he chooses to play on the surfaces he is better at and skip the ones in which he doesn't perform as well. Or in other words, he chooses to "prioritize" as you put it. Whether that's good or bad is certainly irrelevant to his work ethic but what is -in my opinion- is that he prefers to spend a month and half on vacation in Hawaii instead of trying to improve his game on clay during the European clay court season or if not that then aiming at becoming a better player in general (perhaps preparing for the grass of Wimby or the hardcourts of the USA).
But then again, maybe as you suggest he's in Hawaii not in a real vacation but training on his fitness and strokes in general (perhaps preparing himself for the hardcourts and/or the grass). However, to be honest it certainly didn't seem that way based on the pics I saw posted on the OT board.

It's not my intention to put down the fans of Andy Roddick (I'm not sure if you're one). I respect what he does and I wouldn't respect him any less if he chooses to have a vacation during half of the Euro clay court season (as I think it's the case). Hell, in the very extreme cases, I never lost any respect for Rios and Safin for the way they didn't took full advantage of their talent when they had the chance... They are free to live their lives anyway they want to and playing pro tennis or working in an office or whatever isn't any better or worse than partying and taking booze everyday in my book.

nobama
04-23-2010, 01:44 AM
Rome is a required event. Not sure how one can defend a player skipping it just because it's not their favorite surface and they don't want to risk injury. :confused:

Michael Bluth
04-23-2010, 02:18 AM
Exactly,

In 2008, he played Rome, injured himself there, and lost in the second round of Wimbledon.

andy neyer
04-23-2010, 02:22 AM
Federer should skip Rome, Madrid and RG. Who knows? He might get injured and end up not playing Wimbledon...

Black Adam
04-23-2010, 03:00 AM
What do you want him to do? Do a Federer whereby he shows up, puts on a horrendous performance in the early rounds praying that some mug will capitalize?

Action Jackson
04-23-2010, 03:00 AM
It's tourist season for Roddick, he will play a couple of events on the clay for fitness to take into the grass season.

Deboogle!.
04-23-2010, 03:40 AM
But then again, maybe as you suggest he's in Hawaii not in a real vacation but training on his fitness and strokes in general (perhaps preparing himself for the hardcourts and/or the grass). However, to be honest it certainly didn't seem that way based on the pics I saw posted on the OT board.Those pictures were all probably taken within a 5-minute span or something. How are they representative of what he's doing all day every day there? Do you expect him to work every moment of every day? Not even Rafa does that. Some of those pictures also showed him doing sprints on the beach, does that not count as hard work? Plus, he's only been in Hawaii about a week or so. When Andy got married he took one day off, the actual day he got married, even though he had well over a month off the tour. Oh, and last year he came out and played as well as he ever had on the European clay - maybe because he had given himself some time to recover physically and mentally from the first part of the season, work on fitness and any niggles, and take a breather? Maybe he found that really worked for him last year and is keeping it up? Maybe he would rather play 2 events and play them well than play 3 or 4 events and play them all poorly because he's not prepared physically or mentally? question his commitment to clay all you want, because I think he's made that clear already, but I still haven't seen anything you've said that questions his work ethic. While Roger was off on his post-AO vacation, did anyone question whether he was working? Meanwhile Andy played events while he was still hurt and not really prepared for who knows why. Through Miami he had played more than anyone else on tour. Doesn't he deserve a break too?

Look, he obviously doesn't really care about doing really really well on clay. I think if you asked him, he wouldn't deny that. He's never going to go to Europe and play clay optionals, and he hasn't played 3 masters events before RG since he was what, 19 or 20. He's already playing enough and getting hurt more often as he gets older. So if he plays, he risks exhausting himself for Wimbledon and even worse, getting hurt. If he doesn't play, he gets derided here. Which do you think he cares more about?

Rome is a required event. Not sure how one can defend a player skipping it just because it's not their favorite surface and they don't want to risk injury. :confused:Read the rules. Players who have played 600+ matches at the start of the year can skip one without penalty. So, obviously the tour thinks it's OK. I believe you even get to skip two events if you also have 10 years of service on the tour.

Fee
04-23-2010, 07:27 AM
The thing is, he chooses to play on the surfaces he is better at and skip the ones in which he doesn't perform as well. Or in other words, he chooses to "prioritize" as you put it. Whether that's good or bad is certainly irrelevant to his work ethic but what is -in my opinion- is that he prefers to spend a month and half on vacation in Hawaii instead of trying to improve his game on clay during the European clay court season or if not that then aiming at becoming a better player in general (perhaps preparing for the grass of Wimby or the hardcourts of the USA).


Where do you get a month and a half in Hawaii? Andy won the Miami final, played the Atlantic City exo, went to LA, then went to Hawaii where he's been for a week maybe? Not sure how much longer he's planning to stay there, but if he has to be in Madrid by May 9th, I'm sure it won't be too long.

His decision to skip Rome this year was mentioned during the Miami semi against Nadal. I think part of the reason he decided to do it was because of the schedule change this year. Rome and Madrid are not back to back, he doesn't want to play an optional in between or travel back to the US or train in Europe somewhere, so he's waiting for Madrid. I don't personally agree with it, I would like to see him have another match or two before he plays RG, but if he decided to plan the first 6 months of this year with a goal of peaking at Wimbledon, I'm not going to argue with him. He is getting 'old' in tennis years and if he wants to plan his schedule around the events where he can get the best results, then more power to him.

Fee
04-23-2010, 07:29 AM
Rome is a required event. Not sure how one can defend a player skipping it just because it's not their favorite surface and they don't want to risk injury. :confused:

Yeah its like when players skipped Bercy all those years isn't it?

andy neyer
04-23-2010, 07:47 AM
Where do you get a month and a half in Hawaii? Andy won the Miami final, played the Atlantic City exo, went to LA, then went to Hawaii where he's been for a week maybe? Not sure how much longer he's planning to stay there, but if he has to be in Madrid by May 9th, I'm sure it won't be too long.

Point taken. Nothing to argue with you there.

His decision to skip Rome this year was mentioned during the Miami semi against Nadal. I think part of the reason he decided to do it was because of the schedule change this year. Rome and Madrid are not back to back, he doesn't want to play an optional in between or travel back to the US or train in Europe somewhere, so he's waiting for Madrid. I don't personally agree with it, I would like to see him have another match or two before he plays RG, but if he decided to plan the first 6 months of this year with a goal of peaking at Wimbledon, I'm not going to argue with him. He is getting 'old' in tennis years and if he wants to plan his schedule around the events where he can get the best results, then more power to him.

Well, clay is his weakest surface but he's not a total clown on it. In the previous MS he missed, he's only played the event twice in his career so it's not surprise that he skipped it again this year. As for the MS he's about to miss, he's made the semis twice and could have even made it to the final in 2008 had it not been for the injury that affected him. It is for this that it shocks me a bit that apparently he has never cared enough to play better on clay even though he's proven he can do some damage there or at the very least some reasonable progress in his ranking...

Even though Andy might be getting old in tennis years, I don't think of him as an oldie yet. I think of him as someone who's playing his best tennis and who has quite a few years ahead of him... I might be wrong but that's how it seems to be now.

Fee
04-23-2010, 07:54 AM
I don't understand Andy's decision to be honest. Clay is his weakest surface but he's not a total clown on it. In the previous MS he missed, he's only played the event twice in his career so it's not surprise that he skipped it again this year. As for the MS he's about to miss, he's made the semis twice and could have even made it to the final in 2008 had it not been for the injury that affected him. It is for this that it shocks me a bit that apparently he has never cared enough to play better on clay even though he's proven he can do some damage there or at the very least some reasonable progress in his ranking.

He's never cared enough? Not even when he played Houston, Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg, St Poelten, World Team Cup, and Roland Garros?

Again, he is getting 'old' in tennis years. I don't like his decision to skip Rome, but given the schedule change this year I can sort of understand it. He's following Roger's footsteps and upping his 'schedule management'. He will play the surfaces that best suit his game, he will play US events where he is comfortable and still might feel some obligation to promote the game that made him rich, and he will peak at the important events. He must be doing something right, despite what all the experts on this forum think, he's been in the Top Ten for how many straight years and won a title in how many straight years? Yeah, that Andy Roddick, he sucks.

Aenea
04-23-2010, 08:05 AM
Read the rules. Players who have played 600+ matches at the start of the year can skip one without penalty. So, obviously the tour thinks it's OK. I believe you even get to skip two events if you also have 10 years of service on the tour.

No, 600 matches is not enough. There are also other conditions that should be met.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=9793642&postcount=10

Winston's Human
04-23-2010, 01:19 PM
I think that each condition allows a player to skip a Masters event. Then, if you make it to all three conditions, you can skip Masters events at will.

Deboogle!.
04-23-2010, 03:23 PM
I think that each condition allows a player to skip a Masters event. Then, if you make it to all three conditions, you can skip Masters events at will.Exactly, if you read it, it says that the requirement is reduced by one masters event for EACH qualification met. Then if you read further, if someone is 31, has been on tour 10 years, and has played more than 600 matches, they aren't required to play ANY of them!!!!

Il Primo Uomo
04-23-2010, 04:20 PM
It sucks so bad for Kolya and JMDP, I miss seeing them making it rain on them hoes on the court! :sad:

Bobby
04-23-2010, 04:35 PM
Well, tennis has reached a stage where we have four good tournaments per year. Some top players care about the Grand Slams, but the rest of the tournaments are pretty irrelevant for them. Some don't like european clay, some hate summer hard courts and the autumn indoors are...not so good. Fatigue is the big word and a couple of tournaments within three weeks requires a months vacation. There's nothing wrong with focusing on Grand Slams, but it's their job to play tennis. Everyone should play the Masters Events unless injured.

Deboogle!.
04-23-2010, 05:21 PM
No, the official reason was not fatigue, it was "personal reasons"

Dougie
04-23-2010, 05:47 PM
I wish I could call the office on monday and tell them " I personally don´t feel like coming in today"..

Corey Feldman
04-23-2010, 05:50 PM
Well, tennis has reached a stage where we have four good tournaments per year. Some top players care about the Grand Slams, but the rest of the tournaments are pretty irrelevant for them. Some don't like european clay, some hate summer hard courts and the autumn indoors are...not so good. Fatigue is the big word and a couple of tournaments within three weeks requires a months vacation. There's nothing wrong with focusing on Grand Slams, but it's their job to play tennis. Everyone should play the Masters Events unless injured.Agree 100%

they are all tossers who do what pleases themselves, i include Federer and Murray in this

Bobby
04-23-2010, 05:51 PM
I wish I could call the office on monday and tell them " I personally don´t feel like coming in today"..

I personally like to consume energy for thursday and friday so I better skip the beginning of the week. I might burn out if I turned up at the office. Might even seriously hurt my wrist while reaching for the ring binder on the top shelf.

Fee
04-23-2010, 06:50 PM
I wish I could call the office on monday and tell them " I personally don´t feel like coming in today"..

That might be possible if you were (technically) self employed.

Deboogle!.
04-23-2010, 07:37 PM
I wish I could call the office on monday and tell them " I personally don´t feel like coming in today"..I get vacation time at my job. The longer I work here, the more time I get. I don't have to give a reason to take vacation days. Sure, i have to tell them in advance, but I can take days off of work, still get paid, and not have a good reason. I realize I'm lucky that my employer is generous, but most jobs include some kind of vacation time or personal days. Most employers understand that, for their employees to perform optimally, they do need some time to go away and recharge.

Swiss Mountain
04-24-2010, 11:42 AM
The clay masters are becoming a joke, there is such a weak opposition, no wonder nobody cares to play