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Nadal out of Barcelona

Nole fan
04-19-2010, 03:17 PM
They are saying on Spanish radio and local newspaper that Nadal is very much in doubt for Barcelona (it seems he has to be checked today at a clinic for his knees). :confused:
Can any Rafatard confirm that?

A_Skywalker
04-19-2010, 03:19 PM
I guess if he says he pulls out bc of knees it will be excuse, cause he spend average 1 hour per match in Monte Carlo. Anyway pulling out of Barca is great, if its indeed right.

Johnny Groove
04-19-2010, 03:22 PM
Hopefully, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

gulzhan
04-19-2010, 03:22 PM
I hope he does :o not because of knees of course...

l_mac
04-19-2010, 03:22 PM
Why not check the Nadal forum?

Rafa's PR said nothing is decided yet. Some reports say he played through MC with the aid of injections to his knees. Just like last year.

Frooty_Bazooty
04-19-2010, 03:23 PM
Id be really happy if he pulled out of Barcelona, I know he likes the tournament but when is he going to learn that he just cant play 3 tournaments in 3 weeks anymore

Ivo#1Fan
04-19-2010, 03:24 PM
I think his total court time in Monte Carlo was about the length of an average practice session. At that pace 3 tournament in 3 weeks is not a big deal.

Aenea
04-19-2010, 03:25 PM
I guess if he says he pulls out bc of knees it will be excuse, cause he spend average 1 hour per match in Monte Carlo. Anyway pulling out of Barca is great, if its indeed right.

Not if he played all through MC tournament with pain killing injection as rumour has it on his official board. I don't believe Rafa when he says he's in perfect health.
Hopefully he pulls out of Barcelona.

B.z.A.
04-19-2010, 03:29 PM
Hopefully not, I need someone who can beat JCF and ferrer!

duong
04-19-2010, 03:30 PM
Why not check the Nadal forum?

Rafa's PR said nothing is decided yet. Some reports say he played through MC with the aid of injections to his knees. Just like last year.

I had looked at your thread about Nadal's knees, but it mentioned something like "it's a place for us to panic, I prefer it to be discussed here than on GM", then I felt like an intruder there :lol:

Also I'm surprised because of that that you make publicity for that thread here :lol: ;)

l_mac
04-19-2010, 03:32 PM
I had looked at your thread about Nadal's knees, but it mentioned something like "it's a place for us to panic, I prefer it to be discussed here than on GM", then I felt like an intruder there :lol:

Also I'm surprised because of that that you make publicity for that thread here :lol: ;)

Things are easier to control in the Rafa forum. Any posts we don't like can be deleted :) Anyway, the logical place for speculation about Rafa is his own forum. That's what it's there for.

Start da Game
04-19-2010, 03:36 PM
hope he pulls out of this and also madrid.......

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 03:37 PM
Nice excuse for when Soderling beats him in the final :yeah:

propi
04-19-2010, 03:41 PM
Spanish press talks about the subject...
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2010/04/19/tenis/1271675454.html
Vamos Rafa, do what's best for you :D

l_mac
04-19-2010, 03:42 PM
Nice excuse for when Soderling beats him in the final :yeah:

It must hurt you that the best victory of Sod's career came over an injured opponent. :hug: He still has time :yeah:

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 03:44 PM
It must hurt you that the best victory of Sod's career came over an injured opponent. :hug: He still has time :yeah:
Na actually it doesn't, I couldn't care less about the fact that Nadal was 'injured' that day :)

Aenea
04-19-2010, 03:48 PM
Nice excuse for when Soderling beats him in the final :yeah:

Sod will get beaten by Chela much sooner :D

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 03:51 PM
Sod will get beaten by Chela much sooner :DKeep on dreaming!

Dougie
04-19-2010, 03:53 PM
He should. He can´t be dumb enough to keep repeating the mistakes of previous seasons. It´s right now he needs to decide whether he wants to be a real contender at RG and Wimbledon, let alone the US Open. Playing too many tournaments now because he feels he should will end up like last season did.

DanaKz
04-19-2010, 04:03 PM
Blah-blah-blah. He won't.

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:06 PM
Na actually it doesn't, I couldn't care less about the fact that Nadal was 'injured' that day :)

:haha:

Oh, I think you do.

Nole fan
04-19-2010, 04:07 PM
I don't want him to pull put of Barcelona, it's the only event I'm going to attend this year! My othe favs are not playing (Djoko, murray, fed...) so Nadal better play this one!

Lleyton_
04-19-2010, 04:10 PM
Why not check the Nadal forum?

Rafa's PR said nothing is decided yet. Some reports say he played through MC with the aid of injections to his knees. Just like last year.

:rolleyes: I want some of those injections who knows I might become god.

Lleyton_
04-19-2010, 04:11 PM
It must hurt you that the best victory of Sod's career came over an injured opponent. :hug: He still has time :yeah:

It must hurt you more :cool:

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:12 PM
It must hurt you more :cool:

I don't like Soderling :confused:

tennishero
04-19-2010, 04:17 PM
I just heard on TV its official, he's pulled out.

Start da Game
04-19-2010, 04:18 PM
It must hurt you that the best victory of Sod's career came over an injured opponent. :hug: He still has time :yeah:

actually, they should be thankful of nadal.......nadal made soderling's tennis career somewhat meaningful by NOT retiring mid way in that 4th round of FO.......people now expect at least something from soderling for the next 2 or 3 years irrespective of whether he delivers or not.......

Luinir
04-19-2010, 04:19 PM
Wow...

JolánGagó
04-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Apparently he is:

http://www.lavanguardia.es/deportes/noticias/20100419/53911179527/nadal-no-defendera-el-titulo-en-el-conde-de-godo.html

FYI, La Vanguardia is a serious Spanish paper whose owner is the very same Conde de Godó whose name has been on the tourney's trophey since it was first awarded in 1953

Priam
04-19-2010, 04:22 PM
Wikipedia says withdrew citing FATIGUE, replaced by Nico.

tennishero
04-19-2010, 04:22 PM
its official.

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 04:23 PM
SoderKing :hug: You'll get him next time :)

gorgo1986
04-19-2010, 04:24 PM
SoderKing :hug: You'll get him next time :)

Soderling will not make it to the final, he is gonna get his ass kicked regardless. :wavey:

Luinir
04-19-2010, 04:24 PM
SoderKing :hug: You'll get him next time :)

Stop the spam hater.

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I know, now there's no need for Robin, rip him a new one in the Quarters, Tomas!

JolánGagó
04-19-2010, 04:26 PM
Stop the spam hater.

report his hate spam.

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:28 PM
He must be close to a ban. He had a post wishing injury on Rafa deleted ysterday. And another personal attack post deleted also.

Topspin Forehand
04-19-2010, 04:29 PM
Rafa making a good decision. Hopefully it wasn't because he is really hurt.

thrust
04-19-2010, 04:30 PM
He should skip Barcelona and Madrid, especially if he is still having knee problems.

rafa_maniac
04-19-2010, 04:31 PM
If it's official...phew. A week off in between every clay tourney now, and maybe a chance at the elusive Clay Masters hatrick? Whatever, all that matters is RG, he may as well skip Madrid too.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 04:31 PM
Hope's nothing wrong with his knee. I want Nadull to lose fair and square.:o

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:31 PM
its official.

Is it? Like officially on the website? Or from playerzone? Or a statement from Nadal?

Priam
04-19-2010, 04:32 PM
Hopefully it's precautionary. Achy knees strike again. sigh

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 04:33 PM
Like I said that l_mug! :rolleyes:

Anyway since I'm getting banned due to the Rafatard Mods on this forum :wavey:

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 04:35 PM
Pulling out of Madrid as well is a must. He shouldn't play with fire, think 2009....

Nole fan
04-19-2010, 04:35 PM
Is it official? :sad:
Damn!
He will lose 500 points...

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:36 PM
Like I said that l_mug! :rolleyes:

Anyway since I'm getting banned due to the Rafatard Mods on this forum :wavey:

Like you said what? You said you couldn't wait till Rafa's knees started being an issue and posted the drool smilie :confused:

All the Spanish media are now reporting his withdrawl.

Hellraiser
04-19-2010, 04:37 PM
It's official Nadal arrived in the night by the car from Monaco, after consultations with his doc. He decided to not play in Barca.

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 04:40 PM
Is it official? :sad:
Damn!
He will lose 500 points...

The last thing he should care about is ranking pts. He needs to be healthy for the FO. At the end of their careers tennis pros will be judged by slams won not tuneups won:wavey:

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:42 PM
The last thing he should care about is ranking pts. He needs to be healthy for the FO. At the end of their careers tennis pros will be judged by slams won not tuneups won:wavey:

I don't think ranking points are the last thing he cares about, but certainly his priority is to arrive at Roland Garros in the best condition he possibly can.

Selby
04-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Smartest decision he's made in his career, he's not going to lose more than 10 games now in the French Open, especially if he withdraws from Madrid too...

Diprosalic
04-19-2010, 04:44 PM
what is this? nadal got a brain? :angel:

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 04:46 PM
Like you said what? You said you couldn't wait till Rafa's knees started being an issue and posted the drool smilie :confused:

All the Spanish media are now reporting his withdrawl.That's not the same as wishing injury on a player :rolleyes:

duong
04-19-2010, 04:46 PM
A new winner and an opened tournament in Barcelona for the first time since 2004 :rolleyes:

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:47 PM
That's not the same as wishing injury on a player :rolleyes:

Yes it is.

tkr
04-19-2010, 04:49 PM
:rolleyes: I want some of those injections who knows I might become god.

OP...anyone??

Certinfy
04-19-2010, 04:51 PM
Yes it is.No it's not.

Priam
04-19-2010, 04:52 PM
Rafa needs one of those knee replacement surgeries asap.

l_mac
04-19-2010, 04:53 PM
No it's not.

What did you mean by it then? Explain it to me, like I'm someone from the Castle.

duong
04-19-2010, 04:53 PM
Nalbandian is also out (see Joolz in the "injury thread") :sad:

shawshank
04-19-2010, 04:54 PM
It's now on the official website of the tournament. He will give a press conference tomorrow at midday! I hope he is ok and that it was planned a long time ago. Get well Rafa and go for Masters Hatrick!

tkr
04-19-2010, 04:55 PM
I just heard on TV its official, he's pulled out.

:dance::haha::woohoo::banana::rolls::nerner::yippe e::bigclap::lol::bounce::bigwave:

Midnight Ninja
04-19-2010, 04:56 PM
:dance::haha::woohoo::banana::rolls::nerner::yippi e::bigclap::lol::bounce::bigwave:

Are you happy because its sensible or because you don't like Nadal?

born_on_clay
04-19-2010, 04:57 PM
http://www.barcelonaopenbancosabadell.com/index.asp?lang=eng

fuck

ossie
04-19-2010, 04:59 PM
vamos rafa! now skip madrid as well and rg and wimbly are yours

born_on_clay
04-19-2010, 05:00 PM
if Rafa can't play 2 tourneys in a row it must be bad...

Rita
04-19-2010, 05:02 PM
Very wise decision, he's finally listening to his body
A new winner and an opened tournament in Barcelona for the first time since 2004 :rolleyes: why the :rolleyes: a new winner is a good for the game no?

:dance::haha::woohoo::banana::rolls::nerner::yippe e::bigclap::lol::bounce::bigwave:
:help:

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 05:05 PM
if Rafa can't play 2 tourneys in a row it must be bad...

I don't think is that. This is clay and not HC. They are just being cautious for the first time ever.:o

l_mac
04-19-2010, 05:06 PM
http://www.barcelonaopenbancosabadell.com/index.asp?lang=eng

fuck

Why fuck?

His knees started bothering him in Miami. He's resting now, and that is sensible.

ossie
04-19-2010, 05:07 PM
I don't think is that. This is clay and not HC. They are just being cautious for the first time ever.:oexactly, its a precaution

duong
04-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Very wise decision, he's finally listening to his body
why the :rolleyes: a new winner is a good for the game no?


I don't know the exact meaning of the smilies actually :o

but I mean in a way it's ironic, in a way it's sad, and it's quite laughable about other players, it seemed to me that it was the best smiley for that :lol:

Midnight Ninja
04-19-2010, 05:10 PM
I don't think is that. This is clay and not HC. They are just being cautious for the first time ever.:o

Possible but with rumours of injections at MC doesn't sound like precaution but reaction. I wish Nadal would just come out and say the truth. I hope he doesn't cite fatigue which is just going to be a bowl of crock.

tkr
04-19-2010, 05:12 PM
I thought playing on clay was good for the knees...i guess that's an overstatement..

Rita
04-19-2010, 05:14 PM
I don't know the exact meaning of the smilies actually :o

but I mean in a way it's ironic, in a way it's sad, and it's quite laughable about other players, it seemed to me that it was the best smiley for that :lol:

Oh ok :lol: i get what you're saying.

Start da Game
04-19-2010, 05:14 PM
good decision........no need to play madrid as well.......

Tutu
04-19-2010, 05:18 PM
Shit. :sad: I hope everything is ok and it's just a precaution. I'm sick of all my favourite tennis players getting injured. :rolleyes:

Anyway I think you all need to chill. Certinfy isn't a fan of Rafa and so of course he isn't going to be complimentary of him. He's entitled to his opinion so let him have it, by replying in the way some of you guys are, you're just blowing it out of proportion and making it an issue. So just leave it alone.

Corey Feldman
04-19-2010, 05:18 PM
five more 6-0 6-2 wins in the Rome Open next week

Topspin Forehand
04-19-2010, 05:19 PM
No need to play Rome either. Just wing it at RG to make sure the knees are fully healed.

duong
04-19-2010, 05:20 PM
I don't know if it has been posted but he will hold a press conference tomorrow, it will be hard for him to escape the truth and say "it's just a caution" to escape a Spanish tournament, and one which has always been so important for him.

Castafiore
04-19-2010, 05:21 PM
:yeah: Sensible decision.

marcRD
04-19-2010, 05:22 PM
Nadal is getting smart, this should be worrying for his opponents. Now the prospects of Nadal beeing tired or not 100% in RG is really small and then he is unbeatable.

prafull
04-19-2010, 05:26 PM
And this makes his schedule perfect.

Win Monte carlo, rest one week, Win Rome again rest one week, Win Madrid and again rest one week and then finally Win French Open

Start da Game
04-19-2010, 05:26 PM
No need to play Rome either. Just wing it at RG to make sure the knees are fully healed.

i think that's best if you ask me.......i don't think it was a precautionary thing.......when did he ever act sensibly in scheduling his tournaments? he must have surely been warned by the doctors to not play barcelona.......

i suspect that he has flared up a minor injury in miami by playing singles and doubles in those useless hardcourt events and that's the reason why he's skipping barcelona.......for heaven's sake, he shouldn't play anything if he is not fit.......just show up fully fit for roland garros rafa, no one can beat you.......

Vida
04-19-2010, 05:29 PM
he really should skip at least one clay event.

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 05:29 PM
Last year he made the dumb mistake of playing everything while injured during the clay season. He even played 3 weeks in a row MC, Barcelona and Rome and this while being injured.:rolleyes::o

Corey Feldman
04-19-2010, 05:30 PM
he should skip every tournament and then his knee's will be perfect

l_mac
04-19-2010, 05:32 PM
Shit. :sad: I hope everything is ok and it's just a precaution. I'm sick of all my favourite tennis players getting injured. :rolleyes:

Anyway I think you all need to chill. Certinfy isn't a fan of Rafa and so of course he isn't going to be complimentary of him. He's entitled to his opinion so let him have it, by replying in the way some of you guys are, you're just blowing it out of proportion and making it an issue. So just leave it alone.

Actually he isn't entitled to post his opinion here if it is wishing harm on Rafa, because that is against the site rules. And if he chooses to post bile filled post after bile filled post about Rafa then others are entitled to challenge them. Certinfy often boasts about how he is winding up people, and if he can't take it back then he should stop.

Jimnik
04-19-2010, 05:32 PM
Rafa making a sensible scheduling decision? Unreal.

habibko
04-19-2010, 05:33 PM
good news for his fans, bads news for his haters.

barbadosan
04-19-2010, 05:39 PM
That's not the same as wishing injury on a player :rolleyes:

Yes it is.

How can you wish injury on Rafa by talking about his knees, i-mac? He has a CHRONIC condition with his knees, which is obviously going to flare up from time to time. That's very different to pulling a hamstring or something like that out of the blue.

DartMarcus
04-19-2010, 05:47 PM
Maybe he should rest until next year and come out in a style winning 22 straight tournaments.

B.z.A.
04-19-2010, 05:47 PM
Fuck. He gave a title to that ferrer or JCF tard :S

Tutu
04-19-2010, 05:49 PM
Actually he isn't entitled to post his opinion here if it is wishing harm on Rafa, because that is against the site rules. And if he chooses to post bile filled post after bile filled post about Rafa then others are entitled to challenge them. Certinfy often boasts about how he is winding up people, and if he can't take it back then he should stop.
Some of his posts aren't good, but some of them are met with some of the biggest overreactions ever. e.g That one you interpreted as him wishing harm on Rafa. I am a Rafa fan too (and becoming a bigger one by the day, it seems :lol:) and all i'm saying that if he is trying to wind a couple of posters up, arguing and arguing with him will just make it worse. If you just leave him be then there's much less drama, he'll probably stop doing it eventually, and then everybody is happy. That's all i'm saying. ;)

Castafiore
04-19-2010, 05:53 PM
How can you wish injury on Rafa by talking about his knees, i-mac? He has a CHRONIC condition with his knees, which is obviously going to flare up from time to time. That's very different to pulling a hamstring or something like that out of the blue.
You're kidding, right?

I don't think it's that different when talking about the "not wishing injury on a player" rule.
In one case, you're wishing a new injury to happen (hamstring or something like this out of the blue)
In the other case, you're wishing a chronic condition to flare up.
In both cases, you're wishing a player to be injured. If you're adding a drooling smilie, that makes it rather obvious, I should think.

I know that Certinfy is a hater and he's entitled to it as far as I'm concerned but let's stop pretending he's an innocent lamb victimized by rafatards and rafatard mods like he likes to state.
I do agree that the best option is to ignore it mostly.

duong
04-19-2010, 05:58 PM
Rafa making a sensible scheduling decision? Unreal.

it's very different from not entering Barcelona and make a light schedule in the beginning : if he pulls out now, it means he has a problem.

Of course maybe it's not a big problem, and maybe in other times, he would have played yet.

But yet it's not just like making a light schedule, it means that he has a problem.

Amber Spyglass
04-19-2010, 06:05 PM
F**k,now Djoko's got the most packed schedule this side of the French.Nole Open didn't affect his performance in Madrid last year but he was riding a wave then,can't say the same so far for this clay season.At least he said in all his pressers that RG is his huge priority right now,still embarrassed by last year's performance no doubt.

Btw,as a matter of interest,does anybody have the math worked out for how this affects the no.2 seeding for RG.Rafa gained pts when Nole didn't defend finals in MC(lost 240) but that's now cancelled out and then some with Rafa pulling out here(losing 500).So what are the possible scenarios with which Rafa can get it back before RG now.I think it would be very interesting to see if Djokovic could reach his first GS final in like a billion years if neither Fed nor Rafa were in his half.I know he has lost to plenty of lesser players before in GS's but I think he would be more motivated to get his s**t together if they weren't roadblocks in the semis.I would just be fascinated to see how things would unfold if that happened rather than the usual draw

federernadalfan
04-19-2010, 06:06 PM
good news, now he will most likely win rome and madrid

Ilovetheblues_86
04-19-2010, 06:06 PM
So Garcia Lopez is in the r16?

Midnight Ninja
04-19-2010, 06:11 PM
I am really sorry not to be able to play in Barcelona, more than any other tournament, but this year after the win in Monte Carlo my body is asking me to rest. I repeat that I’m especially sorry not to play there, because I would like it to be understood that it really is that way, because it is played in my club and it is my home tournament. I have said on many occasions that the tennis calendar, specifically the clay court season, is badly structured and my not being able to compete in Barcelona is a consequence of that. I want to extend my thanks in advance to the members of the club, the organisers of the tournament, and all of the fans for their understanding. Tomorrow I will be in Barcelona and will be available for the organisers.

Stop blaming the schedule. Monte-Carlo and Barcelona are optional.

http://www.barcelonaopenbancosabadell.com/index.asp?lang=eng

Frooty_Bazooty
04-19-2010, 06:14 PM
as a Rafa fan, I think this is great news. Playing Barca would just be STUPID.

I have a feeling that if Rafa wins RG this year, that a lot of it will be due to this good decision.

Also it will be nice to see someone different win Barca

So Garcia Lopez is in the r16?

nope there will be a LL

Amber Spyglass
04-19-2010, 06:15 PM
He's not specifically mentioning the knees,just seems like wise scheduling to me to prevent any possible knee problems

Start da Game
04-19-2010, 06:16 PM
F**k,now Djoko's got the most packed schedule this side of the French.Nole Open didn't affect his performance in Madrid last year but he was riding a wave then,can't say the same so far for this clay season.At least he said in all his pressers that RG is his huge priority right now,still embarrassed by last year's performance no doubt.

Btw,as a matter of interest,does anybody have the math worked out for how this affects the no.2 seeding for RG.Rafa gained pts when Nole didn't defend finals in MC(lost 240) but that's now cancelled out and then some with Rafa pulling out here(losing 500).So what are the possible scenarios with which Rafa can get it back before RG now.I think it would be very interesting to see if Djokovic could reach his first GS final in like a billion years if neither Fed nor Rafa were in his half.I know he has lost to plenty of lesser players before in GS's but I think he would be more motivated to get his s**t together if they weren't roadblocks in the semis.I would just be fascinated to see how things would unfold if that happened rather than the usual draw

it would only be sensible if he skips everything now until french open.......i suspect that he was forced out of barcelona due to an injury, it was not a precautionary decision.......

he should just let others have all the limelight before the FO, get fully fit, enter FO as 3rd or 4th seed and thrash everyone.......

yesyesok
04-19-2010, 06:16 PM
Guys maybe Rafa never intended to play but rather than looking like he snubbed his *sort of* home tournament he done this to keep good PR with the Spanish.

Amber Spyglass
04-19-2010, 06:22 PM
it would only be sensible if he skips everything now until french open.......i suspect that he was forced out of barcelona due to an injury, it was not a precautionary decision.......

he should just let others have all the limelight before the FO, get fully fit, enter FO as 3rd or 4th seed and thrash everyone.......

I'm sure he will play Rome and Madrid and prob win now that this one has been scratched off.Barring a major injury upset he is obviously gonna win RG,I just want to know the liklihood of him being seeded 2 or 3 cos I really want a Rafa and somebody other than Fed final

barbadosan
04-19-2010, 06:25 PM
You're kidding, right?

I don't think it's that different when talking about the "not wishing injury on a player" rule.
In one case, you're wishing a new injury to happen (hamstring or something like this out of the blue)
In the other case, you're wishing a chronic condition to flare up.
In both cases, you're wishing a player to be injured. If you're adding a drooling smilie, that makes it rather obvious, I should think.

I know that Certinfy is a hater and he's entitled to it as far as I'm concerned but let's stop pretending he's an innocent lamb victimized by rafatards and rafatard mods like he likes to state.
I do agree that the best option is to ignore it mostly.

No.. I am not kidding. In Rafa's case, judging from press reports that he played with painkilling injections, it's not even a case of "hoping" for a condition that's bound to flare up, to actually flare up. Seems it never went away, period. In this case I contend that it would seem that all it takes for the condition to flare up is playing, period.

As for the mods being rafatards or fedtards or any kind of tards, I'm certainly in no position to judge, and while Certinify may be far from an innocent bystander, it's also not hard to see when someone is being set up

samanosuke
04-19-2010, 06:36 PM
Liar . If he wanted so badly play in Barcelona he didn't need to play MC but he is to greedy and wanted to play maters 1000 tournaments . It's rational decision but he doesn't need to act a victim in the hole story

Arkulari
04-19-2010, 06:37 PM
excellent news, that way he could be really rested for the rest of the clay season :yeah:
hopefully it's just a :bs: excuse to rest and not a serious condition again

Castafiore
04-19-2010, 06:38 PM
As for the mods being rafatards or fedtards or any kind of tards, I'm certainly in no position to judge, and while Certinify may be far from an innocent bystander, it's also not hard to see when someone is being set up
How is he being set up? Any hater/troll/tard who has been active for a bit on MTF carries a history with him.

Not that I want to make this an open court here but up until now, he's done most of his report-worthy stuff outside GM, I think, which is possibly the reason why you haven't really noticed it perhaps.

Example: he goes to Rafa's forum after a painful defeat to wish death on his fans. He gets reported and he receives a ban. On top of that, after his ban, he comes back to the Rafa forum to whine about being reported and being victimized. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
This is not a matter of being set up but a matter of clear-cut trolling and breaking forum rules.

nobama
04-19-2010, 06:42 PM
Surprised considering it was easy work in MC. Figured if he'd pull out of any tournament it would be Madrid.

duong
04-19-2010, 06:46 PM
Btw,as a matter of interest,does anybody have the math worked out for how this affects the no.2 seeding for RG.

Nadal needs to win 1300 points more than Djokovic until Madrid to be seeded 2 in RG.

Djokovic plans to play Roma, Belgrade and Madrid.

If Nadal wins both Roma and Madrid, for instance a win by Djokovic in Belgrade, a semifinal in Roma and a R16 in Madrid would not be enough for Djokovic to be seeded 2 (he would be equal with Nadal but behind by mandatory tournament points), but only one round better for Djokovic would be enough for him to be seeded 2 instead of Nadal.

duong
04-19-2010, 06:47 PM
Surprised considering it was easy work in MC. Figured if he'd pull out of any tournament it would be Madrid.

he's spoken about skipping Madrid for long, never about skipping Barcelona.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 06:48 PM
Nadal needs to win 1300 points more than Djokovic until Madrid to be seeded 2 in RG.

Djokovic plans to play Roma, Belgrade and Madrid.

If Nadal wins both Roma and Madrid, for instance a win by Djokovic in Belgrade, a semifinal in Roma and a R16 in Madrid would not be enough for Djokovic to be seeded 2 (he would be equal with Nadal but behind by mandatory tournament points), but only one round better for Djokovic would be enough for him to be seeded 2 instead of Nadal.

Do you have the scenario that sees Nadull out of the top 4 seeds in Paris ?

Har-Tru
04-19-2010, 06:50 PM
he's spoken about skipping Madrid for long, never about skipping Barcelona.

Madrid might be ranked higher but in Spain Barcelona is much, much more prestigious and revered.

That being said, it makes a lot more sense for him to skip Barcelona than Madrid. That way he plays 1000-rest-1000-rest-1000-rest-RG instead of 1000-500-1000-rest-rest-rest-RG.

Roamed
04-19-2010, 06:53 PM
I was thinking that him withdrawing from here made sense only yesterday funnily enough, before I'd heard about the ~knee problems~ ..Rest up Rafa! :yeah:

Amber Spyglass
04-19-2010, 06:53 PM
Nadal needs to win 1300 points more than Djokovic until Madrid to be seeded 2 in RG.

Djokovic plans to play Roma, Belgrade and Madrid.

If Nadal wins both Roma and Madrid, for instance a win by Djokovic in Belgrade, a semifinal in Roma and a R16 in Madrid would not be enough for Djokovic to be seeded 2 (he would be equal with Nadal but behind by mandatory tournament points), but only one round better for Djokovic would be enough for him to be seeded 2 instead of Nadal.

Thanks :)

duong
04-19-2010, 06:53 PM
Do you have the scenario that sees Nadull out of the top 4 seeds in Paris ?

so far here are the points when you drop off all the points until Madrid :

Djokovic 6 180
Murray 5 295
Del Potro 5 185
Davydenko 5 145
Nadal 4 880
Roddick 4 600
Söderling 4 460

then if two among Murray, Del Potro and Davydenko get more points than Nadal in Roma and Madrid (plus Estoril for Davydenko ?), it's possible.

But very unlikely as JMDP and Davydenko are also injured, and JMDP might not even play until RG :lol: and Murray is in a mess

OR Söderling would need to have great results ...

duong
04-19-2010, 06:56 PM
Madrid might be ranked higher but in Spain Barcelona is much, much more prestigious and revered.

That being said, it makes a lot more sense for him to skip Barcelona than Madrid. That way he plays 1000-rest-1000-rest-1000-rest-RG instead of 1000-500-1000-rest-rest-rest-RG.

yes I know that, what I mean is that I don't think withdrawing from Barcelona was part of the plan.

And imo, it's not more sure now than before that he will play Madrid.

gorgo1986
04-19-2010, 06:56 PM
Its a good decision and I hope he heals up in time for Roland Garros, I could care less about him being number two, what is important is winning a slam.

Arkulari
04-19-2010, 06:57 PM
Madrid might be ranked higher but in Spain Barcelona is much, much more prestigious and revered.

That being said, it makes a lot more sense for him to skip Barcelona than Madrid. That way he plays 1000-rest-1000-rest-1000-rest-RG instead of 1000-500-1000-rest-rest-rest-RG.

Agreed :yeah:

Barcelona have always been and probably will always be the Spanish Open, Madrid is just there and it will be moved once they find a place that pays more a better venue :shrug:

Castafiore
04-19-2010, 06:58 PM
yes I know that, what I mean is that I don't think withdrawing from Barcelona was part of the plan
No idea. His uncle Toni did indicate beforehand that he wants Rafa to skip Barcelona and Madrid, though.

I'm guessing that the reason why it was known more about a possible Madrid withdrawal is that Tiriac publically moaned about it in the press whereas the Barcelona organizers have been more discrete.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 06:59 PM
Thank you. Duong if Nadull decides not to play in Madrid even though he would be healthfy, he should lose his best MS 1000 result. Am I correct ?

Ivo#1Fan
04-19-2010, 07:01 PM
I doubt Nadal is worried at all about where he's seeded for the French. It benefits Federer the most if Nadal is seeded #2, that way Fed won't have to lose to Rafa until the final.

This may be a sly move by Nadal to push Federer lower in the rankings by knocking him out of the French earlier than the finals.

duong
04-19-2010, 07:03 PM
I'm guessing that the reason why it was known more about a possible Madrid withdrawal is that Tiriac publically moaned about it in the press whereas the Barcelona organizers have been more discrete.

I read Nadal himself saying that he might skip Madrid some time ago if I'm not wrong. Never read that from him about Barcelona.

But Nadal's "experts" probably know better ;)

duong
04-19-2010, 07:04 PM
Thank you. Duong if Nadull decides not to play in Madrid even though he would be healthfy, he should lose his best MS 1000 result. Am I correct ?

he might theoretically be suspended from a LATER MS1000 tournament (then not lose any point, at least now),

but this rule has never been applied yet, I don't think they will ever apply it.

duong
04-19-2010, 07:05 PM
I doubt Nadal is worried at all about where he's seeded for the French. It benefits Federer the most if Nadal is seeded #2, that way Fed won't have to lose to Rafa until the final.

This may be a sly move by Nadal to push Federer lower in the rankings by knocking him out of the French earlier than the finals.

you're right but I also doubt Nadal makes such speculations to take this kind of decisions :lol:

MariaV
04-19-2010, 07:12 PM
he might theoretically be suspended from a LATER MS1000 tournament (then not lose any point, at least now),

but this rule has never been applied yet, I don't think they will ever apply it.

I guess that's why he opted out of his 'home' Barcelona and decided to play the mandatory Madrid. He can tank any round there anyway.

duong
04-19-2010, 07:13 PM
I guess that's why he opted out of his 'home' Barcelona and decided to play the mandatory Madrid. He can tank any round there anyway.

No Maria : this rule has never been applied, even though there were many opportunities to do it last year :shrug:

... and it's not like many players who had no injury at all (the latest one being Gonzo in Indian Wells because of the earthquake), he does have knee problems

MariaV
04-19-2010, 07:18 PM
No Maria : this rule has never been applied, even though there were many opportunities to do it last year :shrug:

But it's still there so as you said, theoretically.... he doesn't want to risk it. Or his knees which are f**ed up anyway. :tape:

Topspin Forehand
04-19-2010, 07:19 PM
Stop blaming the schedule. Monte-Carlo and Barcelona are optional.

http://www.barcelonaopenbancosabadell.com/index.asp?lang=eng
If anything should be optional, it is Madrid. And the clay season needs to be expanded to allow more rest between tournaments. Miami and Indian Wells need to go back a week or 2 to allow the clay season to be longer (less packed).

lalaland
04-19-2010, 07:21 PM
I doubt Nadal is worried at all about where he's seeded for the French. It benefits Federer the most if Nadal is seeded #2, that way Fed won't have to lose to Rafa until the final.

This may be a sly move by Nadal to push Federer lower in the rankings by knocking him out of the French earlier than the finals.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Nadal doesn't need to worry about his seeding in RG, it's more like Fed has to worry about where Rafa is seeded. But I doubt that Rafa would think about Fed's ranking too much when he considers a w/o from Barcelona though.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 07:29 PM
I guess that's why he opted out of his 'home' Barcelona and decided to play the mandatory Madrid. He can tank any round there anyway.

It is speculation but I think he might have tried to skip Madrid untill the last secound without any concessions but he couldn't so he decided to skip Barcelona in the very last moment.

duong
04-19-2010, 07:36 PM
But it's still there so as you said, theoretically.... he doesn't want to risk it. Or his knees which are f**ed up anyway. :tape:

No player has ever feared this rule and he would be the first one to fear it :confused:

Can you imagine the ATP applying this rule at first to Nadal while there are many examples last year of players to whom they didn't apply it ?

I can already hardly imagine them suspending Nadal from any MS1000 tournament ... because this rule is just stupid : it's just against the business :shrug:

But doing it at first to Nadal while there are many examples of other players where they haven't done it would be absolute nonsense and EVERYBODY would shout at them (including the owner of the tournament concerned).

And Nadal would fear it in advance and skip Barcelona to have a better chance to be fit for Madrid (note that if he's not fit, he may perfectly skip Madrid) :confused:

No really it's far too much speculation, it's far more simple than that : he just has problems with his knees :shrug:

And he will probably talk about them tomorrow because the "calendar defense" is very weak here and people will not be so stupid to let him just say that and not answer the truth :shrug:

Midnight Ninja
04-19-2010, 07:44 PM
If anything should be optional, it is Madrid. And the clay season needs to be expanded to allow more rest between tournaments. Miami and Indian Wells need to go back a week or 2 to allow the clay season to be longer (less packed).

I don't necessarily disagree with you but it is what it is. Many people would prefer it some way or another. I would like a grass masters, do away with IW, and move MC to 500 but it's not happening. The scheduling has been discussed to death and it is never going to change. People criticize Federer for skipping tournaments but it is the smartest thing to do. After a certain point you just need to be selfish and do the right thing.

Someone above said that Barcelona is the more prestigious tournament but that is more or less in Spain. Most of the rest would still see Madrid as better simply due to the fact that is a 1000 series vs. 500. I'm relatively new to tennis so I may be wrong and most tennis fans might see Barca as a higher level.

latso
04-19-2010, 08:03 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with you but it is what it is. Many people would prefer it some way or another. I would like a grass masters, do away with IW, and move MC to 500 but it's not happening. The scheduling has been discussed to death and it is never going to change. People criticize Federer for skipping tournaments but it is the smartest thing to do. After a certain point you just need to be selfish and do the right thing.

Someone above said that Barcelona is the more prestigious tournament but that is more or less in Spain. Most of the rest would still see Madrid as better simply due to the fact that is a 1000 series vs. 500. I'm relatively new to tennis so I may be wrong and most tennis fans might see Barca as a higher level.
No, you're absolutely right.

The only thing though that makes Madrid more important than Barca, is being closer to RG, otherwise the rank of the tournaments should be reversed, which implies the undisputedly necessary lowering of MC, etc., etc.

But as u said - that's that. Players just need to adjust their programs, as the program will not change anywhere soon.

l_mac
04-19-2010, 08:14 PM
Some of his posts aren't good, but some of them are met with some of the biggest overreactions ever. e.g That one you interpreted as him wishing harm on Rafa. I am a Rafa fan too (and becoming a bigger one by the day, it seems :lol:) and all i'm saying that if he is trying to wind a couple of posters up, arguing and arguing with him will just make it worse. If you just leave him be then there's much less drama, he'll probably stop doing it eventually, and then everybody is happy. That's all i'm saying. ;)
I'm quite happy just now :shrug:
F**k,now Djoko's got the most packed schedule this side of the French.Nole Open didn't affect his performance in Madrid last year but he was riding a wave then,can't say the same so far for this clay season.At least he said in all his pressers that RG is his huge priority right now,still embarrassed by last year's performance no doubt.


Have you seen Davydenko's schedule? He is playing every week from Rome - RG.

excellent news, that way he could be really rested for the rest of the clay season :yeah:
hopefully it's just a :bs: excuse to rest and not a serious condition again
Rafa's knees would be able to get him out of any tournament he wanted, any time he wanted.
Thank you. Duong if Nadull decides not to play in Madrid even though he would be healthfy, he should lose his best MS 1000 result. Am I correct ?

he might theoretically be suspended from a LATER MS1000 tournament (then not lose any point, at least now),

but this rule has never been applied yet, I don't think they will ever apply it.

I also doubt it. DelPo didn't get the penalty applied when he skipped Cinci last year citing "fatigue". And, anyway like I said Rafa always plays injured. Most of the time it's managable for him.

Arkulari
04-19-2010, 08:17 PM
I think players can skip ONE mandatory Masters for fatigue or something like that but not two, otherwise they can be stripped of their best MS result

I read something like that once but don't remember where :scratch:

SheepleBuster
04-19-2010, 08:18 PM
They are saying on Spanish radio and local newspaper that Nadal is very much in doubt for Barcelona (it seems he has to be checked today at a clinic for his knees). :confused:
Can any Rafatard confirm that?

I have a hard time controlling myself. This faker gains the majority of his points from these 3 darn masters and tournaments before RG. We should scrap clap and make it as short as grass. Grass is a much better surface. Just get rid of clay and make it shorter. I am tired of this guy being only good on one surface and be considered among the best when we all know he is half dimensional. :devil:

l_mac
04-19-2010, 08:18 PM
Rule Book:

ATP World Tour Masters 1000. Any player withdrawing from the main draw shall be suspended from a subsequent ATP World Tour Masters 1000 event. This event shall be the event where the player earned the highest point total during the previous 12 months. Subsequent withdrawals will carry a second suspension from the next event where the player earned his second highest point total. Additional with-drawals will include further suspensions in the same manner. Players shall not have the suspension penalty assessed if they complete the requirements for “promotional activities” or the withdrawal complied with the requirements for an on-site withdrawal. Players may appeal suspension penalties to a Tribunal who will deter- mine whether the penalties are affirmed or set aside (see sections J & K below).

l_mac
04-19-2010, 08:20 PM
I have a hard time controlling myself. This faker gains the majority of his points from these 3 darn masters and tournaments before RG. We should scrap clap and make it as short as grass. Grass is a much better surface. Just get rid of clay and make it shorter. I am tired of this guy being only good on one surface and be considered among the best when we all know he is half dimensional. :devil:

You're only going to catch the pond life of the Rafatard Queendom with that bait.

If that's the level you're aiming for, good luck.

SetSampras
04-19-2010, 08:22 PM
Good move.. No point of burning himself out for the French. Hell if Fed can take tournaments off, hell half the year off these days.. Nadal can too. May as well just worry about stopping Federer at slams, and adding more to his resume

SheepleBuster
04-19-2010, 08:25 PM
You're only going to catch the pond life of the Rafatard Queendom with that bait.

If that's the level you're aiming for, good luck.

You are no fun :devil:

l_mac
04-19-2010, 08:26 PM
You are no fun :devil:

You just need to try harder.

andy neyer
04-19-2010, 08:31 PM
Rafa got scared because he found out that Soderling was also playing this time.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 08:32 PM
No player has ever feared this rule and he would be the first one to fear it :confused:

Can you imagine the ATP applying this rule at first to Nadal while there are many examples last year of players to whom they didn't apply it ?




Let's not forget that we are talking about Madrid here. The city had a nice MS torunament in October but then decided to build a new venue and then got to all sort of problems in order to replace its date slot with Hamburg.
Ţiriac and his gang have invested a lot of money to make Madrid 1000 a big event in Spain and to some dimension world wide. Nadal is clearly the most important player there because he's spanish and he's great clay career.
If Nadal skips Madrid just to be better prepared for RG, I think Ţiriac could actually get Nadal suspended.

andy neyer
04-19-2010, 08:33 PM
Good move.. No point of burning himself out for the French. Hell if Fed can take tournaments off, hell half the year off these days.. Nadal can too. May as well just worry about stopping Federer at slams, and adding more to his resume

Sampras's GS record is already broken... Whether Federer wins more GS or not won't change the fact that Federer > Sampras.

andy neyer
04-19-2010, 08:34 PM
If Nadal skips Madrid just to be better prepared for RG, I think Ţiriac could actually get Nadal suspended.

Tiriac might be a rather strange bloke but the ATP isn't managed al-capone style yet :)

Moreover, no-one would dare to suspend a top player like Nadal simply because suspensions of top players = less profits.

Hell, why do you think the ATP covered Agassi? Come to think of it, maybe the ATP is ran in a mafia style.

SheepleBuster
04-19-2010, 08:34 PM
You just need to try harder.

Well. There is no question Rafa is bad for tennis. He and his drama, and his family's drama is not good for business. In my mind, the best way to remove Rafa from the game is by getting rid of clay cause he can't really do much on other surfaces without bending the rules. You know... calling times outs and stuff.

alter ego
04-19-2010, 08:45 PM
Moreover, no-one would dare to suspend a top player like Nadal simply because suspensions of top players = less profits.


I think you are forgetting something. Besides the money, these guys also have a dictatorship side. They want to call all the shots. I'm 100 % sure Ţiriac still holds a grudge against Federer and Nadal for the blue clay issue.

Sofonda Cox
04-19-2010, 08:46 PM
Glad he's out. Looking forward to Fed playing again and bringing the class back

l_mac
04-19-2010, 08:48 PM
I think you are forgetting something. Besides the money, these guys also have a dictatorship side. They want to call all the shots. I'm 100 % sure Ţiriac still holds a grudge against Federer and Nadal for the blue clay issue.

I think you're forgetting something. Nadal has chronic tendinitis - any time he needs a sick note, he'll get one.

Corey Feldman
04-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Glad he's out. Looking forward to Fed playing again and bringing the class backlooking forward to Fed playing again and getting hammered by mugs like Jan Hajek and Oscar Hernandez

Gl with that

Nadal meanwhile will be winning Rome TMS, losing 12 games

Noleta
04-19-2010, 08:59 PM
A sensible decision:yeah:

Sofonda Cox
04-19-2010, 09:00 PM
looking forward to Fed playing again and getting hammered by mugs like Jan Hajek and Oscar Hernandez

Gl with that

Nadal meanwhile will be winning Rome TMS, losing 12 games

His Knees will crumble before then. He just aint got what it takes any more :)

Noleta
04-19-2010, 09:04 PM
His Knees will crumble before then. He just aint got what it takes any more :)

Not if he planned his schedules wisely,which is what he's doing now:)

DrJules
04-19-2010, 09:16 PM
Maybe Nadal is moving to the play 1 week and have the next week off - usually a very good idea. Especially as non-GS events often involve playing 3/4 days in a row.

l_mac
04-19-2010, 09:18 PM
looking forward to Fed playing again and getting hammered by mugs like Jan Hajek and Oscar Hernandez

Gl with that

Nadal meanwhile will be winning Rome TMS, losing 12 games

:rolls:

henke007
04-19-2010, 09:21 PM
He should play Nole Open instead.

CyBorg
04-19-2010, 09:45 PM
Doesn't want to take any chances. Probably a good decision.

Deivid23
04-19-2010, 10:02 PM
Expected good move

Nole fan
04-19-2010, 10:05 PM
Ok so it's official now. I guess I'll have to do with Soderling and Verdasco. :drink:

@I_Mac... you should change your sig to "I love Djokovic". I always knew you were a fan. You're obsession is obvious. :lol:

Noleta
04-19-2010, 10:07 PM
:hug:Nole fan:kiss:Better luck next time:)

l_mac
04-19-2010, 10:10 PM
@I_Mac... you should change your sig to "I love Djokovic". I always knew you were a fan. You're obsession is obvious. :lol:

:D

http://coolaggregator.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/happy-days-fonz1.jpg

Guy Haines
04-19-2010, 10:35 PM
Maybe he's finally starting to be sensible.

Certinfy: It'll be a great pleasure to see him play Soderling on clay again if he's lucky enough to get the chance.

M4RC
04-19-2010, 10:58 PM
I have a hard time controlling myself. This faker gains the majority of his points from these 3 darn masters and tournaments before RG. We should scrap clap and make it as short as grass. Grass is a much better surface. Just get rid of clay and make it shorter. I am tired of this guy being only good on one surface and be considered among the best when we all know he is half dimensional. :devil:

Well. There is no question Rafa is bad for tennis. He and his drama, and his family's drama is not good for business. In my mind, the best way to remove Rafa from the game is by getting rid of clay cause he can't really do much on other surfaces without bending the rules. You know... calling times outs and stuff.

Go and rewatch RG-08 W-08 and AO-09.

Oh, and don't forget to STFU too.

Topspin Forehand
04-19-2010, 11:03 PM
He should play Nole Open instead.
lol That would be classic but stupid as well.

elessar
04-19-2010, 11:15 PM
I have a hard time controlling myself. This faker gains the majority of his points from these 3 darn masters and tournaments before RG. We should scrap clap and make it as short as grass. Grass is a much better surface. Just get rid of clay and make it shorter. I am tired of this guy being only good on one surface and be considered among the best when we all know he is half dimensional. :devil:

You're only going to catch the pond life of the Rafatard Queendom with that bait.

If that's the level you're aiming for, good luck.

Go and rewatch RG-08 W-08 and AO-09.

Oh, and don't forget to STFU too.
:awww:

Well done, cyrusking. No need to try harder after all :hug:

Forehander
04-19-2010, 11:21 PM
I wonder how much of those nutrient injection Nadal uses on his knees. If he pulls out it'd be a good decision though, the main goal is Roland Garros.

NicoMedellin
04-19-2010, 11:31 PM
Great!!! It seems that he's focus is stay healthy for RG :D

tyruk14
04-19-2010, 11:50 PM
Good news for Nadal fans.

If his knees aren't that bad, and this is more of a precaution than an intervention, then I like his chances in Rome.

Johnny Groove
04-19-2010, 11:55 PM
Rafa's PR said nothing is decided yet. Some reports say he played through MC with the aid of injections to his knees. Just like last year.

All a post like this does is stir shit up.

Shit-stirrer.

swisht4u
04-20-2010, 12:43 AM
The best news I've heard for awhile.
Whether Nadal needs rest or not, it is a precautionary move.
You only have to look to last year, both Nadal and Djokovic over extended themselves, it became evident part way thru RG. Too late then to do anything.
The extra time will give Nadal's body time to repair areas that are not noticeable at the time.
It's basically a guessing game when to rest, the only information available is his personal past history.
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Disavantage to Federer.

moon language
04-20-2010, 12:53 AM
He's dodging de Bakker.

coonster14
04-20-2010, 12:55 AM
good news, now he should just play rome and then rest up for roland garros. forget madrid rafa...

GasquetFan
04-20-2010, 01:04 AM
He's dodging de Bakker.

:haha:

andy neyer
04-20-2010, 01:09 AM
This is just a precautionary measure. It's obvious that Nadal has issues with his knees but if the problems were serious enough now he wouldn't have won MC the way he did and he wouldn't be playing Rome next week.

All in all, it seems like a wise decision to skip a "minor" tournament to diminish the chances of having serious problems later on in the big ones.

Mimi
04-20-2010, 01:54 AM
They are saying on Spanish radio and local newspaper that Nadal is very much in doubt for Barcelona (it seems he has to be checked today at a clinic for his knees). :confused:
Can any Rafatard confirm that?

well, could you please post this kind of thread in rafa's forum instead in the future? :wavey:. coz this will only get him more haters and critics, thanking in advance:worship:

-Valhalla-
04-20-2010, 02:06 AM
A prudent and wise decision. It’s good to see big-picture, long-term thinking finally starting to prevail over at Rafa & Co.

Let's see if they have the foresight to pull out of Madrid.

Mimi
04-20-2010, 02:06 AM
:dance::haha::woohoo::banana::rolls::nerner::yippe e::bigclap::lol::bounce::bigwave:

happy that Rafa is injured and pulled out, how pathetic :rolleyes:

Langers
04-20-2010, 02:13 AM
So it's confirmed? Smart decision Rafa! :yeah:

lleytonfan!
04-20-2010, 02:42 AM
Always inevitable.

ChinoRios4Ever
04-20-2010, 02:56 AM
Finally!!!

HarryMan
04-20-2010, 04:18 AM
Very sensible from Nadal. The boy has finally grown into a smart professional. No need to play three tournaments in three weeks, when you know, most likely, you will win all of them. He can play Rome, get another week's rest, play madrid, and enter RG fresh as ever and rip apart his competition like 05-08.

Nadal is getting smart and I am happy for him. :)

KarlyM
04-20-2010, 05:00 AM
Thank goodness! I want to see him healthy for RG. :yeah:

Mechlan
04-20-2010, 05:29 AM
Smart scheduling decision? Wow. Do the same with Madrid and RG should be a lock.

duong
04-20-2010, 06:33 AM
I think players can skip ONE mandatory Masters for fatigue or something like that but not two, otherwise they can be stripped of their best MS result

I read something like that once but don't remember where :scratch:

no there's no rule like that.

there's only one rule for players who have spent a lot of time on tour who are allowed the other rule which I_Mac quoted and which, once again, has NEVER EVER been applied although there were tens of cases last year (and still this year, eg Gonzalez)

duong
04-20-2010, 06:36 AM
Let's not forget that we are talking about Madrid here. The city had a nice MS torunament in October but then decided to build a new venue and then got to all sort of problems in order to replace its date slot with Hamburg.
Ţiriac and his gang have invested a lot of money to make Madrid 1000 a big event in Spain and to some dimension world wide. Nadal is clearly the most important player there because he's spanish and he's great clay career.
If Nadal skips Madrid just to be better prepared for RG, I think Ţiriac could actually get Nadal suspended.

I don't think so ... and if there's a suspension, don't forget that another tournament would be concerned in a bad way.

How could the ATP justify that they would apply this rule ONLY TO NADAL and ONLY IN MADRID ?

duong
04-20-2010, 06:38 AM
I think you're forgetting something. Nadal has chronic tendinitis - any time he needs a sick note, he'll get one.

exactly ;) : he will always have better justifications than many players ... and another reason why it's impossibkle that he's suspended because of not playing Madrid

Foxy
04-20-2010, 07:00 AM
It looks like he is playing smart and doing it for precaution but I don't think so. The condition of his knees is probably really bad and I expect him to skip Rome as well. One week of rest cannot help him at all.

MariaV
04-20-2010, 07:46 AM
I have a hard time controlling myself. This faker gains the majority of his points from these 3 darn masters and tournaments before RG. We should scrap clap and make it as short as grass. Grass is a much better surface. Just get rid of clay and make it shorter. I am tired of this guy being only good on one surface and be considered among the best when we all know he is half dimensional. :devil:

Roger said Rafa is one dimensional, no? :awww:

It looks like he is playing smart and doing it for precaution but I don't think so. The condition of his knees is probably really bad and I expect him to skip Rome as well. One week of rest cannot help him at all.

Yeah if stubborn Rafa gave in to Toni the knees must be really really really bad.

duong
04-20-2010, 08:14 AM
Roger said Rafa is one dimensional, no? :awww:

Federer said that ? :eek: :confused:

Ad Wim
04-20-2010, 08:21 AM
He is still in the ATP-website draw. Nalbi and Berdych are replaced by lucky losers, but he's still there...

Turquoise
04-20-2010, 08:38 AM
Whatever precautions Nadal needs to take, all I want is that he's fighting fit to reclaim his RG title. Take care, Nadal.

MariaV
04-20-2010, 09:12 AM
Federer said that ? :eek: :confused:

Already forgotten that? :awww: ;)

Federer Calls Nadal One-Dimensional (http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2006-04-23/d.php)

duong
04-20-2010, 09:25 AM
Already forgotten that? :awww: ;)

Federer Calls Nadal One-Dimensional (http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2006-04-23/d.php)

I had never heard about that :o

But it was 4 years ago, Nadal was less than 20 years old, and his game was more one-dimensional in that time than now. He has much developed his game since then :shrug:

In recent years I've never read Federer saying anything like that :shrug: He's always very laudative to Nadal :shrug:

And Federer also had more dimensions in his own game in that time than now to be able to speak :lol:

MariaV
04-20-2010, 09:39 AM
I had never heard about that :o

But it was 4 years ago, Nadal was less than 20 years old, and his game was more one-dimensional in that time than now. He has much developed his game since then :shrug:

In recent years I've never read Federer saying anything like that :shrug: He's always very laudative to Nadal :shrug:

And Federer also had more dimensions in his own game in that time than now to be able to speak :lol:

Ahhhh, you young people. ;)
I remember that was the cause for my very first step of trolling on MTF. :o :awww: And that 2006 Rome final. I am still ashamed. :o

cardio
04-20-2010, 09:45 AM
It looks like he is playing smart and doing it for precaution but I don't think so. The condition of his knees is probably really bad and I expect him to skip Rome as well. One week of rest cannot help him at all.

Yes, is this is true what first posters told us that he needed painkiller injections each day into his knees to play in MC, it is serious condition . I´m not a doctor, but I also got painkiller injections, and they didnt last too long and in long perspective they didnt help at all. In MC he finished all matches in 1.5 hour or less, in RG he cant do it ( best of five,also better field and faster court means he is not able to break as often as in MC)
And how long can your body last on painkillers ? Painkiller is not miracle medicine what heals, it only removes pain, but problem itself goes even worse.Pain is not disease, it is signal that something is seriously wrong in your body.
Couple of days ago it seemed his clay-season will be as successful and problem-free like 3-4 years ago. Now there are doubts.

duong
04-20-2010, 10:07 AM
Ahhhh, you young people. ;)
I remember that was the cause for my very first step of trolling on MTF. :o :awww: And that 2006 Rome final. I am still ashamed. :o

not so young, rather unexperienced on MTF :lol:

I started "trolling here" far later :lol:

Commander Data
04-20-2010, 10:52 AM
Well Nadal can obviously Play great Clay Tennis right now. If pulling out of Barcelona increases his prospect to play great in RG it is smart. Nadal wouldn't pull out of Barcelona if he had no Problem. His knees will remain a problem. smart to hold back now and put some injections in to win RG once more. but also dumb at the same time....

duong
04-20-2010, 12:02 PM
During his press conference, he said something like he had no physical problem at all, and he would have played Barcelona only if he had lost in Monte-Carlo on wednesday :lol:

Costa was there with him at the press conference, not easy to say that :lol:

And he also said it's a "severe blow" for him, which, if you consider what he had said before, means that it's a "severe blow" for him to win Monte-Carlo :lol:

Castafiore
04-20-2010, 12:06 PM
I'm guessing that what he means is that there's no real injury here (new or the chronic one flaring up again) but his body needs the rest and playing in Barcelona depended on how far he would get in Monte Carlo.

duong
04-20-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm guessing that what he means is that there's no real injury here (new or the chronic one flaring up again) but his body needs the rest and playing in Barcelona depended on how far he would get in Monte Carlo.

yes that's what I tried to say :confused:

actually, as Nadal says "that's tennis, you never know", it's the daily reality of journeymen in tennis : whenever by chance they reach the semifinals of a tournament, they often get tired and have to withdraw from next week's tournament. Always happens, ask Pere Riba :shrug: :lol:

azinna
04-20-2010, 01:19 PM
Excellent decision. Even without the alleged flare of his knee issues. One week of rest between each tournament.

JolánGagó
04-20-2010, 01:20 PM
yes that's what I tried to say :confused:

rather unsuccessfully, I must say.

l_mac
04-20-2010, 03:04 PM
He can play Barcelona 2011

WHY are they playing Madrid and then Rome back to back in 2011 ??

Have they not learned from the problems they had for years playing Rome and Hamburg back to back ??

What was the point of the new calendar if they are going back to the way it used to be!!!

That problem was solved when they switched to 3 set finals. Hamburg 07 and 08 didn't have the withdrawl problems of previous years.

A lot of players seem to prefer b2b MS events, that's the excuse the ATP has used in the past to justify Canada-Cincinatti.

Rafa said, emphatically, that he had no injections while playing Monte Carlo.

pica_pica
04-20-2010, 03:42 PM
Sensible decision by Rafa :yeah: He now understands that health is of top priority :)

prima donna
04-20-2010, 04:02 PM
You don't say.

alter ego
04-20-2010, 05:24 PM
I wanted to watch the Soderling - Chela match on a live stream but ended up seeing the last part of Nadull's interview for TDP.
From what I saw the main things he said were that:
-last week he played his best tennis.
-He would have liked the tennis clay masters to last for one and a half week like before (?)
-He dosen't want to make the same mistakes like last year
-He'll definitely play Madrid.
-He dosen't think about the number 1 spot but he knows he is in a "priveleged" position being 2nd in the ATP race after Roddick.
-Asked about the Shakira clip he said that he had some spare time, he liked what he did, but now his thougths are only about tennis.
-Fc Barcelona has some awsome players like Xavi and Messi. :lol:

Nole fan
04-20-2010, 05:44 PM
watching Soderling vs. Chela right now and the court looks empty. :rolleyes:
But if you want to buy tickets for semis and final, tickets are sold out. :shrug:
I have my theory. People bought those tickets ahead thinking Nadal would be in the final, how deluded. The Barcelona Open site announced Nadal on board even though they knew beforehand since Montecarlo that he would not be playing (Rafa had told them so), but they kept that information to themselves just to sell more tickets. Dishonest. :o

duong
04-20-2010, 05:46 PM
watching Soderling vs. Chela right now and the court looks empty. :rolleyes:
But if you want to buy tickets for semis and final, tickets are sold out. :shrug:
I have my theory. People bought those tickets ahead thinking Nadal would be in the final, how deluded. The Barcelona Open site announced Nadal on board even though they knew beforehand since Montecarlo that he would not be playing (Rafa had told them so), but they kept that information to themselves just to sell more tickets. Dishonest. :o

you know, Nadal had no idea he could go so far in Monte-Carlo : totally unexpected :eek: :haha:

Persimmon
04-20-2010, 05:51 PM
Already forgotten that? :awww: ;)

Federer Calls Nadal One-Dimensional (http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2006-04-23/d.php)

..and that one dimensional player beat Roger on all surfaces(clay, grass, HC) at slam finals. :speakles:

Certinfy
04-20-2010, 05:56 PM
Roger called Del Potro one dimensional as well yet Juan took him to 5 at RG and beat him at the USO :lol:

Arkulari
04-20-2010, 06:27 PM
well well well, a story from 2006... :rolleyes:
people can't change the way they think, it is written in stone
oh wait...
but hey, if it is about bashing, one can bring articles from years ago and it is still valid :D

and the Del Potro issue, I don't think it was said in 2009/10 either ;)

Start da Game
04-20-2010, 06:46 PM
well well well, a story from 2006... :rolleyes:
people can't change the way they think, it is written in stone
oh wait...
but hey, if it is about bashing, one can bring articles from years ago and it is still valid :D

and the Del Potro issue, I don't think it was said in 2009/10 either ;)

it's not about what was said and when, it's about the manner in which it was said and the circumstances.......he uttered something similar when djokovic sent him back packing in straight sets in oz open 2008 and murray beat him in dubai 08.......

besides, who is he to decide who's a one dimensional player and who is not? he is not a retired legend to pass on judgments on currently active players.......only retired players and commentators(elderly analyzers of the sport) do that stuff because their criticism is usually accepted as constructive.......his job now is to play tennis.......getting spanked by an opponent and calling him one dimensional is just a case of sour grapes........

Arkulari
04-20-2010, 07:00 PM
my point is that he has changed his opinion of Rafa after playing so many times against him, so the 2006 thing is not what he speaks of Rafa now, he has spoken highly about Rafa and his improvement since that time and calls him a "great champion" and other things (not from 2008, since 2007, even when he beat him at the TMC he said so)

"Look, Rafa's a deserving champion," Federer said. "He just played fantastically."

"He was rock-solid, the way we know him," said Federer, who hit 25 aces. "He's definitely improved his game."

He never called Nole unidimensional and he said that Murray was very talented

Roger feels talents like Murray on the other side of the net have “made me a better player”

Roger sometimes gets his foot in his mouth? yeah, sometimes I wish he could shut up but you can't accuse him of telling lies or not backing up what he says or even of changing his mind about an opponent if said opponent proves himself worthy

It might sound like sour grapes, but he's usually right, not perfect because no one is but if you want to know what's on his mind, he'll usually tell it like it is

Nole fan
04-20-2010, 07:37 PM
my point is that he has changed his opinion of Rafa after playing so many times against him, so the 2006 thing is not what he speaks of Rafa now, he has spoken highly about Rafa and his improvement since that time and calls him a "great champion" and other things (not from 2008, since 2007, even when he beat him at the TMC he said so)


He never called Nole unidimensional and he said that Murray was very talented


Roger sometimes gets his foot in his mouth? yeah, sometimes I wish he could shut up but you can't accuse him of telling lies or not backing up what he says or even of changing his mind about an opponent if said opponent proves himself worthy

It might sound like sour grapes, but he's usually right, not perfect because no one is but if you want to know what's on his mind, he'll usually tell it like it is

No, he never said Nole was unidimensional, he said that he wasn't impressed by him (contrary to everybody else). That was before he got spanked by Nole in the Montreal final. :lol:

HKz
04-20-2010, 07:39 PM
it's not about what was said and when, it's about the manner in which it was said and the circumstances.......he uttered something similar when djokovic sent him back packing in straight sets in oz open 2008 and murray beat him in dubai 08.......

besides, who is he to decide who's a one dimensional player and who is not? he is not a retired legend to pass on judgments on currently active players.......only retired players and commentators(elderly analyzers of the sport) do that stuff because their criticism is usually accepted as constructive.......his job now is to play tennis.......getting spanked by an opponent and calling him one dimensional is just a case of sour grapes........

Go........cry.......elsewhere........

He clearly was correct in all his assumptions whether or not he truly meant them or was meaning to just give his opponents a little extra pressure because who is currently defending champion at 3 slams right now..?

Murray + Nadal + Djokovic + Del Potro have half the amount of slams among them than Federer has. I'm pretty sure putting his statements in context with his achievements and ability would show that he is clearly telling the truth.

Arkulari
04-20-2010, 07:43 PM
No, he never said Nole was unidimensional, he said that he wasn't impressed by him (contrary to everybody else). That was before he got spanked by Nole in the Montreal final. :lol:

yeah (though I wouldn't call a three set thriller "spanking" :lol: ) and then the USO final came...
Roger has the tendency of not thinking the best out of his rivals until they "prove themselves" (his position on Nole changed after the AO 08 when the Serb proved himself)
He's usually right about that though :p

Commander Data
04-20-2010, 08:17 PM
..and that one dimensional player beat Roger on all surfaces(clay, grass, HC) at slam finals. :speakles:

No, that one dimensional player improved, got more diverse and beat Roger on all surfaces.
Call him arrogant for telling the truth but Nadal was a one dimensional player in 2006 :shrug:
In a way, Nadal is still quite one dimensional compared to a player like Federer, this one dimension is extremly good tough...

l_mac
04-20-2010, 08:51 PM
LOL Fedtards :lol:

Singularity
04-20-2010, 09:30 PM
it's not about what was said and when, it's about the manner in which it was said and the circumstances.......he uttered something similar when djokovic sent him back packing in straight sets in oz open 2008 and murray beat him in dubai 08.......

besides, who is he to decide who's a one dimensional player and who is not? he is not a retired legend to pass on judgments on currently active players.......only retired players and commentators(elderly analyzers of the sport) do that stuff because their criticism is usually accepted as constructive.......his job now is to play tennis.......getting spanked by an opponent and calling him one dimensional is just a case of sour grapes........
It's not sour grapes if what he said was an honest assesment of the situation. He was commenting on Nadal's game style, not his talent or tenacity, and he's said himself that Nadal is the greatest competitor he's ever faced.

I mean, when you're asked what you think of an opponents game you can either give the standard PR answer, which in fact is what Roger does most of the time, or you can say how you really feel, even if your assessment isn't going to be 100% positive (because players have strengths and weaknesses). And if you do the latter, then that doesn't mean you're passing an official verdict on the player in question, or making a personal attack on them.

So with Murray in Dubai for example, Federer was asked whether he was impressed with the improvements Murray had made to his game, and he answered honestly that he wasn't, because he felt like Murray was still playing too passively - and that given Murray's talent, he'd expected him to make his breakthrough sooner than Djokovic. Well, I think Federer was right, and Murray did step it up, later that year, and the pace and depth he was able to put on his groundstrokes contributed to his dominant hardcourt season.

So even if perhaps Federer shouldn't have made these comments (given the way they were interpreted by the media), you still have to take them in the context they were given.

duong
04-20-2010, 10:26 PM
I admire the way some people have managed to derive the thread from the way Nadal has withdrawn :lol: (if you want my opinion, Djokovic is the only one who really has to complain about Fed's comments, he's shown his admiration about the others more than once, only Djokovic never got something like that, even after beating him in several competitions)

About Nadal's withdrawal and press conference today : imo the only way to understand what he said today is :

- either he suffers from his knees and he lies about that for whatever reason (he said that thinking he was injured was "outrageous")

- or he had planned for some time not to play but he arranged with the organizers not to say it until the very end, which may be seen as quite a problem for the spectators :rolleyes:

because how can people seriously consider his words that "you never know in tennis, I couldn't know I would go far in Monte-Carlo" ? :lol:

In such a case and for such a player, I think it may be assumed that it would be more honest to do like Murray : you don't enter first if you don't really plan to play, but if ever you are quickly out of previous tournament, which would have been a huge surprise for Nadal, then you take a wild-card ... since of course there's a wild-card reserved until the very end for such a player :shrug:

I've read enough people in this forum complaining about top-players asking wild-cards when they could enter (and especially about Murray's case), to be surprised that nobody says anything about that.

I'm quite certain many people had taken their tickets ... just to see Nadal.

And then ...

One more point I have in mind : I think that the fact that Verdasco asked a wild-card in the end has a relationship with Nadal's withdrawal ... because the organizers needed him at least and maybe made more financial effort.
And maybe also because Verdasco had heard last week that Nadal would withdraw (remember that last week, Verdasco was the one from whom we heard many things about Nadal's knees ;) ) and then he thought he had a good opportunity in Barcelona to be the first "Spanish star".

The funniest thing about it is that :

- if one player may be surprised for having gone that far in Monte-Carlo, it's ... Verdasco and not Nadal :lol: ... and it's Nadal who uses that excuse

- we know that Verdasco has had back problems for a while but he asked a wild-card, while Nadal who says he has no problems at all withdraws in the end.

If anything, the fact that Nadal may say that excuse in the press conference AND his word be respected means something :

that he's a big SIR, highly respected and who then can say anything that no other one might say without being attacked a lot.

I guess he has earnt that respect with time, that's true ... but yet, I couldn't let it be like that and nothing to be said about it ... especially it would be funny in a forum where people are so eager to saying bad things about players and interpreting everything, that nothing would be said about that obvious case.

l_mac
04-20-2010, 10:52 PM
He's the biggest draw in tennis, especially in Spain. No way the tournament organisers wanted him to announce a w/drawl way days before the tournament began. And his name on the advertising will have brought in extra euros. One year he w/d from Thailand (well before the tournament began) the TD was still telling the Thai press that he was coming, even giving out his flight number. Surprise! Moya got off the plane instead of Rafa.

He's said since the start of the year that there was a chance he wouldn't be playing all the clay tournaments, and he said at his presser in Monte Carlo that his continuing knee problems are something that he has to consider. While he is saying that he has no specific injury to his knees, he's also saying that his body is telling him he needs to rest.

I feel very sorry for all the fans who won't get to see Rafa play, especially the people I "know" from various boards who have travelled to Barcelona to see him.

JolánGagó
04-21-2010, 06:56 AM
I admire the way some people have managed to derive the thread from the way Nadal has withdrawn :lol: (if you want my opinion, Djokovic is the only one who really has to complain about Fed's comments, he's shown his admiration about the others more than once, only Djokovic never got something like that, even after beating him in several competitions)

About Nadal's withdrawal and press conference today : imo the only way to understand what he said today is :

- either he suffers from his knees and he lies about that for whatever reason (he said that thinking he was injured was "outrageous")

- or he had planned for some time not to play but he arranged with the organizers not to say it until the very end, which may be seen as quite a problem for the spectators :rolleyes:

because how can people seriously consider his words that "you never know in tennis, I couldn't know I would go far in Monte-Carlo" ? :lol:

In such a case and for such a player, I think it may be assumed that it would be more honest to do like Murray : you don't enter first if you don't really plan to play, but if ever you are quickly out of previous tournament, which would have been a huge surprise for Nadal, then you take a wild-card ... since of course there's a wild-card reserved until the very end for such a player :shrug:

I've read enough people in this forum complaining about top-players asking wild-cards when they could enter (and especially about Murray's case), to be surprised that nobody says anything about that.

I'm quite certain many people had taken their tickets ... just to see Nadal.

And then ...

One more point I have in mind : I think that the fact that Verdasco asked a wild-card in the end has a relationship with Nadal's withdrawal ... because the organizers needed him at least and maybe made more financial effort.
And maybe also because Verdasco had heard last week that Nadal would withdraw (remember that last week, Verdasco was the one from whom we heard many things about Nadal's knees ;) ) and then he thought he had a good opportunity in Barcelona to be the first "Spanish star".

The funniest thing about it is that :

- if one player may be surprised for having gone that far in Monte-Carlo, it's ... Verdasco and not Nadal :lol: ... and it's Nadal who uses that excuse

- we know that Verdasco has had back problems for a while but he asked a wild-card, while Nadal who says he has no problems at all withdraws in the end.

If anything, the fact that Nadal may say that excuse in the press conference AND his word be respected means something :

that he's a big SIR, highly respected and who then can say anything that no other one might say without being attacked a lot.

I guess he has earnt that respect with time, that's true ... but yet, I couldn't let it be like that and nothing to be said about it ... especially it would be funny in a forum where people are so eager to saying bad things about players and interpreting everything, that nothing would be said about that obvious case.

You not only need writing 3 pages essays discussing every single irrelevant matter, now you must also bold the "important" bits... why don't you delete all the unbold to start with? it's all crap anyway.

duong
04-21-2010, 07:32 AM
He's the biggest draw in tennis, especially in Spain. No way the tournament organisers wanted him to announce a w/drawl way days before the tournament began. And his name on the advertising will have brought in extra euros. One year he w/d from Thailand (well before the tournament began) the TD was still telling the Thai press that he was coming, even giving out his flight number. Surprise! Moya got off the plane instead of Rafa.

definitely if this withdrawal was planned, the responsibility is shared with the organizers. Definitely.

While he is saying that he has no specific injury to his knees, he's also saying that his body is telling him he needs to rest.

you don't need to rest after 5 easy matches ... unless you have a real problem.
Yet he said it was "outrageous" to say he was injured.

Anyway, no other player could speak like that without the fans being very angry.
See the comments Murray has received this year.

As for Federer, I would be surprised (and I would definitely blame him) if he withdrew from Estoril beacuse he reached the final in Roma (and unless he's really injured). Usually when he doesn't plan to play a tournament, he doesn't enter. He leaves cards on the table.

Maybe Nadal doesn't know how to say "no", but yet for the fans the best is when players are just honest, even if it's unpleasant.

Hank777
04-21-2010, 11:20 AM
Probably just a precautionary decision, talking of rest...
A wise decision too if you ask me, it's all about Roland Garros in the end anyway, a balanced an not overly exhausting build-up would be best! :cool:

Komodo
04-21-2010, 02:41 PM
You not only need writing 3 pages essays discussing every single irrelevant matter, now you must also bold the "important" bits... why don't you delete all the unbold to start with? it's all crap anyway.

Duong is absolutely spot on. Rather, ou strike me as a poster writing mostly crap and trolling one-liners, while Duong in a great way contributes to augmenting the tennis discussion quality of this forum, for example by presenting calculations of the rankings that a lot of people here profit from.
You, on the other hand, don't seem to have a lot of contributive things going on, so you shouldn't write in such an impolite manner to a poster who objectively is much better than you.

andy neyer
04-21-2010, 03:18 PM
Duong is absolutely spot on. Rather, ou strike me as a poster writing mostly crap and trolling one-liners, while Duong in a great way contributes to augmenting the tennis discussion quality of this forum, for example by presenting calculations of the rankings that a lot of people here profit from.
You, on the other hand, don't seem to have a lot of contributive things going on, so you shouldn't write in such an impolite manner to a poster who objectively is much better than you.

Agreed 100%

l_mac
04-21-2010, 03:26 PM
you don't need to rest after 5 easy matches ... unless you have a real problem.
Yet he said it was "outrageous" to say he was injured.

His knees are a real problem, but he's not currently injured.

It's possible in light of what happened in IW/Miami he realised there was no way his knees could hold up for 3 weeks of continuous play. The entry deadline for Barca was well before those tournaments. His physical concerns there were likely a wake up call. I was surprised and disappointed that he wasn't able to hold up even for two tournaments.

Anyway, no other player could speak like that without the fans being very angry.
See the comments Murray has received this year.

Murray? When he said that he couldn't be bothered training, or that no-one cared about the smaller tournaments? Murray doesn't have the physical issues that Rafa does. I don't seee how it's comparable? Did he w/d from somewhere citing the need to rest his body?

As for Federer, I would be surprised (and I would definitely blame him) if he withdrew from Estoril beacuse he reached the final in Roma (and unless he's really injured). Usually when he doesn't plan to play a tournament, he doesn't enter. He leaves cards on the table.


Why are we talking about Federer? :confused:

andy neyer
04-21-2010, 03:26 PM
I admire the way some people have managed to derive the thread from the way Nadal has withdrawn :lol: (if you want my opinion, Djokovic is the only one who really has to complain about Fed's comments, he's shown his admiration about the others more than once, only Djokovic never got something like that, even after beating him in several competitions)

About Nadal's withdrawal and press conference today : imo the only way to understand what he said today is :

- either he suffers from his knees and he lies about that for whatever reason (he said that thinking he was injured was "outrageous")

- or he had planned for some time not to play but he arranged with the organizers not to say it until the very end, which may be seen as quite a problem for the spectators :rolleyes:

because how can people seriously consider his words that "you never know in tennis, I couldn't know I would go far in Monte-Carlo" ? :lol:

In such a case and for such a player, I think it may be assumed that it would be more honest to do like Murray : you don't enter first if you don't really plan to play, but if ever you are quickly out of previous tournament, which would have been a huge surprise for Nadal, then you take a wild-card ... since of course there's a wild-card reserved until the very end for such a player :shrug:

I've read enough people in this forum complaining about top-players asking wild-cards when they could enter (and especially about Murray's case), to be surprised that nobody says anything about that.

I'm quite certain many people had taken their tickets ... just to see Nadal.

And then ...

One more point I have in mind : I think that the fact that Verdasco asked a wild-card in the end has a relationship with Nadal's withdrawal ... because the organizers needed him at least and maybe made more financial effort.
And maybe also because Verdasco had heard last week that Nadal would withdraw (remember that last week, Verdasco was the one from whom we heard many things about Nadal's knees ;) ) and then he thought he had a good opportunity in Barcelona to be the first "Spanish star".

The funniest thing about it is that :

- if one player may be surprised for having gone that far in Monte-Carlo, it's ... Verdasco and not Nadal :lol: ... and it's Nadal who uses that excuse

- we know that Verdasco has had back problems for a while but he asked a wild-card, while Nadal who says he has no problems at all withdraws in the end.

If anything, the fact that Nadal may say that excuse in the press conference AND his word be respected means something :

that he's a big SIR, highly respected and who then can say anything that no other one might say without being attacked a lot.

I guess he has earnt that respect with time, that's true ... but yet, I couldn't let it be like that and nothing to be said about it ... especially it would be funny in a forum where people are so eager to saying bad things about players and interpreting everything, that nothing would be said about that obvious case.

The difference between Murray and Nadal is that the former doesn't know (or maybe doesn't care) to be 100% politically correct and appear as the 'good guy' to the media. If Murray had been in Nadal's case, I'm sure he would have been attacked by the fans and the media for pulling out of the 'home tournament' because he wouldn't have handled the situation the way Nadal did.
He probably would have just said 'he's fatigued' instead of insinuating further issues with his knees (like Nadal did) or blaming the schedule of the ATP (like Nadal did) in spite of the fact that both MC and Barca are optional events.

On the other hand, if Nadal had asked for a WC to Barca, it would have probably raised a bad impression among the Calatanians. Why? Because it would have showed that Nadal rationally prefers to play the big Master 1000 tournaments instead of the traditional and respected but smaller tournament of Barcelona. However, pulling out of Barca at the last minute, as if it was something unplanned and that he definitely doesn't want to do (which to some extent I think it's true) makes him look better in the eyes of the media.

Jimnik
04-21-2010, 03:38 PM
In such a case and for such a player, I think it may be assumed that it would be more honest to do like Murray : you don't enter first if you don't really plan to play, but if ever you are quickly out of previous tournament, which would have been a huge surprise for Nadal, then you take a wild-card ... since of course there's a wild-card reserved until the very end for such a player :shrug:

Rubbish, there's nothing more dishonorable than that. Not entering in time is a complete disrespect to the tournament and its fans. Taking late WCs only encourages player arrogance, makes them think the event needs them more badly than they need the event.

Just like heaven
04-21-2010, 03:41 PM
If Murray had been in Nadal's case, I'm sure he would have been attacked by the fans

Which fans?

decrepitude
04-21-2010, 04:21 PM
Murray? When he said that he couldn't be bothered training, or that no-one cared about the smaller tournaments?


l_mac, I'm surprised at this. I read practically everything that is written about Murray and I can't remember anything like the above. Source please!

Priam
04-21-2010, 04:45 PM
Is it better to commit to fewer non-mandatory tournaments throughout the year then take an 11th hour WC, or commit then pull out (either in advance/right before the tournament)?

Horatio Caine
04-21-2010, 04:55 PM
Rubbish, there's nothing more dishonorable than that[late WCs]. Not entering in time is a complete disrespect to the tournament and its fans. Taking late WCs only encourages player arrogance, makes them think the event needs them more badly than they need the event.

...even when a player makes an early commitment and then decides in the days before the tournament begins that actually he doesn't need/want the match practice and so he won't put in a best effort?

I think there are many more cases of players tanking than players requesting WC because they didn't sign up before the deadline...tanking is third only to doping and fixing as far as ugly behaviour is concerned.

Besides, late WC requests from a top player can actually benefit a tournament, as you would surely know. If there are more requests than WC available, that actually impacts negatively on the players concerned...either put them in a play-off (in front of a [paying] public would be a bonus...generates interest), or order the later requests to play qualifying. I don't see why it is necessary to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As for player arrogance...you don't need to accept their money demands. That would send them down to earth with a bump.

Start da Game
04-21-2010, 05:21 PM
duong can keep quiet for now........nadal has earned such a position that he can actually bootkick barcelona and be reckless about it........instead, he is being very sorry and humble for missing barcelona........

he said that initially he had a thought in mind to play barcelona in case he got knocked out early in montecarlo........does any other 5 time defending champion even think along those lines?

*bunny*
04-21-2010, 05:34 PM
As for Federer, I would be surprised (and I would definitely blame him) if he withdrew from Estoril beacuse he reached the final in Roma (and unless he's really injured). Usually when he doesn't plan to play a tournament, he doesn't enter. He leaves cards on the table.
I think his fans in Tokyo might have a different idea on this after what happened in 2007. But you cleverly used the word "usually." ....Well done! ;)

Personally I'm not a big fan of late WC requests by top players either, unless the tournament in question is in dire need of big names.

nobama
04-21-2010, 05:48 PM
Is it better to commit to fewer non-mandatory tournaments throughout the year then take an 11th hour WC, or commit then pull out (either in advance/right before the tournament)?
I would argue don't commit. Since the chance of major changes to the schedule are unlikely, for Nadal he needs to decide between MC and Barca when building out his schedule. I'm sure he's not the only player who has a favorite tournament in a bad spot in the schedule.

l_mac
04-21-2010, 10:34 PM
l_mac, I'm surprised at this. I read practically everything that is written about Murray and I can't remember anything like the above. Source please!

I meant the MTF interpretation :lol:

decrepitude
04-21-2010, 11:17 PM
Big danger of being taken seriously. Somebody repeats it as gospel and the myth grows. . .

duong
04-22-2010, 06:54 AM
His knees are a real problem, but he's not currently injured.

His knees are a real problem, but he's not currently injured.

It's possible in light of what happened in IW/Miami he realised there was no way his knees could hold up for 3 weeks of continuous play. The entry deadline for Barca was well before those tournaments. His physical concerns there were likely a wake up call. I was surprised and disappointed that he wasn't able to hold up even for two tournaments.


Yes :

- either he had no problem and he had never planned to play Barcelona

- or something unexpected happened

This "something unexpected" may have happened during Indian Wells/Miami, after the entry-lists, you're right.
But if it did, it's hard to think that now he has no problem anymore :shrug:

Is it better to commit to fewer non-mandatory tournaments throughout the year then take an 11th hour WC, or commit then pull out (either in advance/right before the tournament)?

In my opinion, when you don't plan to play a tournament, it's clearly more honest to the fans not to enter.

And if in the end you have a reason to play, you ask a wild-card.

Beside the fact that in one case it's Nadal who is beloved here, and in the other case it's Murray who is hated,

I don't understand how it can actually be argued with such arguments as Jimnik's :confused: :

just put yourself in the position of the fans planning to attend a tournament for God's sake :shrug:

The difference between Murray and Nadal is that the former doesn't know (or maybe doesn't care) to be 100% politically correct and appear as the 'good guy' to the media. If Murray had been in Nadal's case, I'm sure he would have been attacked by the fans and the media for pulling out of the 'home tournament' because he wouldn't have handled the situation the way Nadal did.
He probably would have just said 'he's fatigued' instead of insinuating further issues with his knees (like Nadal did) or blaming the schedule of the ATP (like Nadal did) in spite of the fact that both MC and Barca are optional events.

Actually what Nadal said, which is clearly a lie, however you take it (in reality either he's injured or didn't plan to play the tournament for long), "normal media" should not have let him say that

... not to say modern media who spend all of their time looking at the tiniest problem about every single thing.

Then you can say that Nadal is more "politically correct" in a way, but that defense would have never been enough in front of media,

except in a case where the guy earns a huge respect, which enables him to say whatever he wants without being countered.

I don't think one can call "politically correct" an argument which is a clear lie.

duong
04-22-2010, 06:56 AM
duong can keep quiet for now........nadal has earned such a position that he can actually bootkick barcelona and be reckless about it........instead, he is being very sorry and humble for missing barcelona........

he said that initially he had a thought in mind to play barcelona in case he got knocked out early in montecarlo........does any other 5 time defending champion even think along those lines?

no no other "5-time defending champion" would even be allowed to say anything like that and be taken seriously :haha:

No other one could say it, only Nadal, because he earns such a respect.

Only Nadal is allowed to this "politically correct nonsense" communication.

Actually that's why I was disappointed about that press conference and reacted here : I expected a piece of truth, but nothing came, because I underestimated the power of Nadal's communication, nobody dares ask him anything serious.