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Who will be the first to break Agassi's Masters record?

andy neyer
04-18-2010, 07:54 PM
Right now both Fed and Rafa have 16, one less than Agassi.

I think it's likely that both of them will win at least 2 more MS in their careers. The question is when... The record could be broken before RG this year in case that one of the two wins Rome and Madrid.

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PS: I think it's a shame that Masters aren't what they used to be. Back when Agassi was playing there were no byes and the final was played to the best of 5 sets. For that reason, I don't think the Masters can be easily compared in numeric absolute terms but then again records are made of numbers so what gives...

ImmzB
04-18-2010, 07:56 PM
R.Nadal

Certinfy
04-18-2010, 07:56 PM
Please let it be Federer! Please!!!

ImmzB
04-18-2010, 07:57 PM
Please let it be Federer! Please!!!

Could be, if Nadal doesn't play Madrid :D

Certinfy
04-18-2010, 07:58 PM
Nadal won't win Madrid anyway!

ImmzB
04-18-2010, 08:01 PM
He will!

andy neyer
04-18-2010, 08:14 PM
Kind of interesting trivia:


Nadal was the fastest to:
5 titles: Nadal (8 tournaments/2 years: Monte Carlo 2005 - Monte Carlo 2006)
10 titles: Nadal (24 tournaments/4 years: Monte Carlo 2005 - Monte Carlo 2008)
15 titles: Nadal (34 tournaments/5 years: Monte Carlo 2005 - Rome 2009)

Winners of the 3 AMS tournaments on clay
Ríos (Monte Carlo '97, Rome '98, Hamburg '99)
Kuerten (Monte Carlo '99, Rome '99, Hamburg '00)
Nadal (Monte Carlo '05, Rome '05, Hamburg '08)

Most titles at one tournament
6: Agassi (Miami: '90, '95, '96, '01, '02, '03)
6: Nadal (Monte Carlo: 2005-2010)

Most different tournaments won
7/9: Agassi

Most different tournament finals played
8/9: Federer
8/9: Nadal

Most tournaments won in one season
4: Federer (2005, 2006)
4: Nadal (2005)

Most consecutive matches won
29: Federer (2005–2006)

Most consecutive years winning at least one title
6: Nadal (2005–2010)

Players who played the most finals against each other
1.Federer v Nadal, 8 times
2.Agassi v Sampras, 5 times

The final of the 2005 Rome Masters between Spaniard Rafael Nadal and Argentine Guillermo Coria marked the longest final of the Open Era (since 1968): 5 hrs. and 14 mins, with 18-year old Nadal prevailing. The 2006 final produced another classic, 5 hrs. and 5 mins long, with Nadal defeating Federer in a fifth set tiebreaker after saving two match points.

federernadalfan
04-18-2010, 08:31 PM
fed and rafa could be tied at 17 before french open
rafa takes rome and fed takes madrid
though there is a possibility that rafa takes both rome and madrid which in that case he would break with 18

Roamed
04-18-2010, 08:36 PM
Rafa will very probably take Rome, may be unwilling to expend energy in Madrid so Federer could potentially take that one, and then I'd say Federer has an advantage in the autumn hard court MS tournaments, but overall I think to me it looks more likely Rafa will. He'll probably end up with more overall in any case.

gorgo1986
04-18-2010, 08:45 PM
fed and rafa could be tied at 17 before french open
rafa takes rome and fed takes madrid
though there is a possibility that rafa takes both rome and madrid which in that case he would break with 18

Yeah I could see that happening, so I guess Roger will be first especially since I don't think Rafa will play in Madrid.

born_on_clay
04-18-2010, 09:52 PM
you will see Rafa equaling this record in two weeks time :)

Rafan
04-18-2010, 10:33 PM
Rafael Nadal :)

Bilbo
04-18-2010, 11:40 PM
R. Nadal

Bilbo
04-18-2010, 11:40 PM
Please let it be Federer! Please!!!

Nadal hater?

rocketassist
04-19-2010, 12:05 AM
Neither really deserve to.

emotion
04-19-2010, 12:07 AM
I gonna go out on a big limb and say Nadal but then Fed passes him

Action Jackson
04-19-2010, 12:08 AM
Lendl won all 3 clay TMS events.

yesyesok
04-19-2010, 12:08 AM
I think its irrelevant who breaks it first because Nadal will almost definitely win more by the end of their respective careers.

Arkulari
04-19-2010, 12:22 AM
Rafa and he will end up with more than Roger, he's much more consistent than the Swiss in these kind of tournaments ;)

MacTheKnife
04-19-2010, 12:50 AM
Nadal, they are still a priority for him.

Pirata.
04-19-2010, 12:58 AM
Rafa and he will end up with more than Roger, he's much more consistent than the Swiss in these kind of tournaments ;)

That's because he has almost no competition on clay :rolleyes:

If there were three grass Masters, I'm sure Roger would've dominated those the way Rafa dominates the clay Masters.

Ackms421
04-19-2010, 05:11 AM
That's because he has almost no competition on clay :rolleyes:

If there were three grass Masters, I'm sure Roger would've dominated those the way Rafa dominates the clay Masters.

No, he'd be splitting them with Nadal and Nadal would still be taking the clay ones; thus, Nadal would be waaaay ahead under these circumstances.

And you could also argue that there are 6 hard court masters compared to 3 on clay, a stat that obviously favors Federer. Basically, Federer has had all the chances in the world to get the record, but Nadal will probably get it anyway.

kengyin
04-19-2010, 05:54 AM
personally i would rather have the grand slam record rather than the master record

NicoMedellin
04-19-2010, 06:12 AM
Rafa...it seems to me that federer doesn't care about masters 1000 anymore

Mohammad
04-19-2010, 07:37 AM
Rafa...it seems to me that federer doesn't care about masters 1000 anymore
I don't think so, Fed cares about masters but obviously he can't!! no secret, he has been successful in winning grand slams just because his rivals have not been in dimensions of winning a grand slam! believe it! Murray, Roddick, Safin,...

Mimi
04-19-2010, 07:40 AM
Nadal hater?yeah, Jase has turned from a rafa lover to a rafa hater, as unloyal as a slut :ras: :nerner:

BlueSwan
04-19-2010, 07:53 AM
Federer doesn't care much about this record for two very good reasons:

1) There's very little history at stake. The masters concept hasn't existed for very long and there have been numerous changes.

2) He knows that even if he breaks the record, he won't be able to compete with Nadal in this category.

henke007
04-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Nadal offcourse since he is formost a clay specialist AKA moonballer.:worship:

Masters is not much in comparison to Majors :shrug:

bokehlicious
04-19-2010, 08:28 AM
No, he'd be splitting them with Nadal and Nadal would still be taking the clay ones; thus, Nadal would be waaaay ahead under these circumstances.

:lol: Delusional Rafatards never cease to amaze me, year after year :hearts:

Arkulari
04-19-2010, 08:58 AM
That's because he has almost no competition on clay :rolleyes:

If there were three grass Masters, I'm sure Roger would've dominated those the way Rafa dominates the clay Masters.

Rafa has made like 1351515415 straight QF Masters, so it isn't just about clay ;)

jcempire
04-19-2010, 02:54 PM
easily, Nadal would get another one this Sunday

So....

vn01
04-19-2010, 02:57 PM
Rafa of course

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 04:57 PM
Thing is I can see Rafa winning Rome and then Roger winning Madrid and after that come the HC ms. So I can see Roger breaking it first but Rafa will end up with more ms at the end of their careers..

Midnight Ninja
04-19-2010, 04:59 PM
With Nadal now out of Barcelona he could easily win Rome and Madrid both. He has his rest and while Madrid is slightly quicker, it is still clay.

DualMedia
04-19-2010, 05:00 PM
Nadal, Federer doesnt try to win masters. Fed cares about the GS

Persimmon
04-19-2010, 05:01 PM
I have doubts that Rafa will play Madrid. He bashed that tournament a lot in 2009..

Pirata.
04-19-2010, 06:18 PM
Rafa has made like 1351515415 straight QF Masters, so it isn't just about clay ;)

Hard court :) Roger has practically dominated Wimbledon and Halle since 2003 (the only time other people have won the latter was when he withdrew) Rafa only in the last couple years has made a big breakthrough at Wimbledon. If there were grass Masters, Roger would've just as easily dominated those the way he does with Halle and Wimbledon. Rafa would've probably been a main contender by around 2007-2008 but I'm pretty sure Roger would've dominated any grass Masters at least 2004-2007.t

prafull
04-19-2010, 06:27 PM
Federer has won only Two Masters in over two years time so should be Nadal.

andy neyer
04-20-2010, 12:18 PM
Lendl won all 3 clay TMS events.

Shows me how reliable Wikipedia is...

I think its irrelevant who breaks it first because Nadal will almost definitely win more by the end of their respective careers.

True but I guess that quite a few years will pass before both of these lads' careers are over. This thread is thought in the short term so maybe in a year or less we'll have a definitive 'real' answer.
Now that Nadal skipped Barca, I think there's a big chance he might actually win Rome and Madrid so maybe we'll have our answer in about a month...

Action Jackson
04-20-2010, 12:20 PM
Shows me how reliable Wikipedia is...


I mean they didn't call them Masters series events then, but Rome, Hamburg and Monte Carlo have existed for years they were the 3 biggest events outside of RG. Lendl won them all.

andy neyer
04-20-2010, 12:20 PM
I have doubts that Rafa will play Madrid. He bashed that tournament a lot in 2009..

He will play it, imo. His decision to skip Barca made it more likely :)

And besides, as another user put it, Nadal gets hard-ons for MS.

Start da Game
04-20-2010, 12:23 PM
a whopping 68 against a meager 11.......the poll result has it right........

andy neyer
04-20-2010, 12:29 PM
I mean they didn't call them Masters series events then, but Rome, Hamburg and Monte Carlo have existed for years they were the 3 biggest events outside of RG. Lendl won them all.

Yeah... I am a bit sleepy atm :S

a whopping 68 against a meager 11.......the poll result has it right........

When I started this thread I thought Rafa was going to be the first one but I never thought most people were going to agree, to be honest.

Action Jackson
04-20-2010, 10:44 PM
One cares about them now and the other doesn't.

andy neyer
04-20-2010, 10:46 PM
I think he cares (see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ZRInDtUHY) but not as much as Nadal.

andy neyer
05-16-2010, 07:06 PM
Nadal breaks the record, as expected.

Fedex
05-16-2010, 07:13 PM
This may be the one record that Federer never holds. I think Federer will eventually surpass Agassi, but it seems unlikely that he'll end up with more than Nadal.

born_on_clay
05-16-2010, 08:12 PM
Rafa the monster :D