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Australian Tennis - "State of Play" (ABC 4 Corners)

bad gambler
03-01-2010, 09:20 AM
Well worth watching

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100301/tennis/

Action Jackson
03-01-2010, 09:25 AM
I watched the doco, good to see Four Corners pull out some evidence showing the incompetence of these cockchimps.

ace ventura
03-01-2010, 10:40 AM
Well if this does not confirm why certain players do not get the selections, w/cs or funding they might deserve .

As anyone who has spoken up gets shut out.... That was the clearest thread in the show.

I hope this has opened the door for more people to tell their stories...

Tenys4r
03-01-2010, 11:12 AM
Just listened to the extended versions of the interviews. Tiley wasn't sure of figures of Aus Men in Top 100 and Woodbridge struggled to name the players in teh Davis Cup Transitional Squad. And then after that he ssaid how much he knew about each player ! Lleyton intervied really well and his comments about Tony Roche were respectful and right on the mark. For Tennis Australia to not utilise the likes o Roche and Stoltenberg is beyond belief.

Tenys4r
03-01-2010, 11:16 AM
Oh and I always wondered what happened to Stephen Donald? What a shame - he was a great talent. How can a promising player attend our national facility (AIS) and come out so confused that he quits! I wonder what the next bunch of AIS tennis players will do? Will they follow the same way? Shame Tennis Australia

Wrong Direction
03-01-2010, 11:16 AM
Go to the four corners website and watch the full interview with Woodbridge & Tiley. Woodbridge doesn't have a clue and Tiley couldn't lie straight in bed. I hope a few more people start to ask a few more questions and speak out. We as taxpayers and parents supporting our kids careers deserve better.

bad gambler
03-01-2010, 11:35 AM
Beggars belief that Woodbridge didn't know the names of our top junior players.

The doco just highlights that the wrong people are running the game in this country and don't have much interest in developing the talent.

Action Jackson
03-01-2010, 11:39 AM
I posted it on GM BG, but they are such fucking clowns.

ace ventura
03-01-2010, 12:07 PM
For all the times I've over heard TA coaches bagging parents, for all the times I have heard them say that kid wont make it,,,,

For all the work parents who work long hours, gave up every weekend , holidays and potential mortgage free lives, and but for all they sacrificed for tennis and kids instead,

For all the kids who worked their guts out and yes who were tossed around from coach to coach till they came out with spinning heads instead of forehands , who are told at 18 forget it ....

For all the great kids who trusted them and looked up to them , and who learnt in the end not to , for all the kids they labeled bad or not good enough who hadn't even matured yet,

AND yes after four years and all the stupid TA meetings to attend and programs to pay for , with broken promises of " CLEAR PLAYER PATHWAYS " TILEY SAID ?? HA HA when after four year they tip them all out and implement a youth policy instead !!

And for all the huge bucks hundreds of thousands of dollars these guys tuck themselves into bed with each night , while parents sweat to pay for the next tour... or lesson

WELL WELL WELL after this program it is well about time THEY , yes THEY who set way ward pathways from the start ,
Who cant count how many ( it is 2 ) in the top 100,
Who cant names the players in the transitional program ,,, where was Reid and Kelly in that ?
Who does so well out of blue paint,
Who snub our greats
Who yes , says.... our way or the highway ,,,
WHOS ARROGANCE ignores how many people they hurt .............. LET ALONE THE ONES WHO " ALSO WORK FOR THE SPORT " ...... TODD and CHANEL 7 and

OFTEN UNPAID UNFUNDED TODD !!!

I HOPE JUST FOR ONCE TENNIS AUSTRALIA LOOSE THE SLEEP.......

jmf07
03-01-2010, 01:17 PM
Had to read the transcripts as I had a uni lecture tonight so I will be interested to hear more of what happened in the video especially the extended interviews (im nearing my internet cap and can't really afford to download lengthy videos)

The transcripts really make the likes of Tiley, Woodbridge, Wood and Pollard look ridiculous. There's probably a slight bit of bias from the producers (I find it hard to believe that Woodbridge would struggle to name the up and coming Aussie players like they have made out) but nonetheless for the most part it seems spot on and makes for some good reading. They really did do their research well.

Seems to be generating a fair bit of attention in the media already and hopefully it puts the pressure on for something to be done.

ace ventura
03-01-2010, 01:50 PM
Had to read the transcripts as I had a uni lecture tonight so I will be interested to hear more of what happened in the video especially the extended interviews (im nearing my internet cap and can't really afford to download lengthy videos)

The transcripts really make the likes of Tiley, Woodbridge, Wood and Pollard look ridiculous. There's probably a slight bit of bias from the producers (I find it hard to believe that Woodbridge would struggle to name the up and coming Aussie players like they have made out) but nonetheless for the most part it seems spot on and makes for some good reading. They really did do their research well.

Seems to be generating a fair bit of attention in the media already and hopefully it puts the pressure on for something to be done.

I agree , I also hope this make people feel safe to come out and tell their own personal stories of having been through the TA system the past four years,,, eg National Academies and AIS, not only donald there has been a heap of talent wasted. Some of the stories I have heard are pretty harrowing.
I do not get the part about this being based around performance , we have constantly seem W/CS handed out to only those in the system, selections not based on ranking, the age discrimination which is going on, alot more needs to come out before things will change.
There is alot of very scary stuff going on in there thats for sure, Tiley is very calm under pressure and an amazing at throwing out the stats how ever at the end of the day their is a hell of lot that does not add up.
I hope the flood gates open with people speaking up.
This is just scraping the surface on so many issues , I would love to see the books, I mean really where does this money go.
As for Todd naming names that was dreadful. He completely forgot Reid and Kelly .
As for our 1991 year olds none made either AIS , nor the next program up so as far as todd saying every one is covered, thats rubbish....
heaps of holes in all these interviews however it will take a lot of watching to pick them all up.

Tenys4r
03-01-2010, 06:09 PM
The transcripts really make the likes of Tiley, Woodbridge, Wood and Pollard look ridiculous. There's probably a slight bit of bias from the producers (I find it hard to believe that Woodbridge would struggle to name the up and coming Aussie players like they have made out) but nonetheless for the most part it seems spot on and makes for some good reading. They really did do their research well.


when you watch the extended version not only did he struggle but there is a massive pause and at the end someone came to his rescue and he threw Sam Groth's name in after being prompted. From what i have been told the players are Ebden, Klein, Millman, Groth, Jones, Kelly and Reid.

He came across as a proper twat. Then he has the hide to say that he knows every players and watched them all over the australian summer - one player told me he watched a few games of his match and then moved on. He will be crucified by the public if his implementation of his job is unnsatisfactory - a bit sad seeing as he has had a wonderful Davis Cup career and doubles career - seems like some egos love the limelight.

Tenys4r
03-01-2010, 06:16 PM
I agree , I also hope this make people feel safe to come out and tell their own personal stories of having been through the TA system the past four years

Tiley is very calm under pressure and an amazing at throwing out the stats how ever at the end of the day their is a hell of lot that does not add up.

Doubt it will make people feel safe - look what happens to those that do speak up! No wonder so many kids decide to turn their back on TA - a clear pathway - what a load of b/s!

Tiley was calm but the question has still not been answered as to why we do not have any players following Hewitt. Perhaps if they had focussed on the group that were transitioning to seniors instead of dumping them and give themselves more time to stay unaccountable. By taking on the younger players they can always say that they have five to ten years more before they are accountable. Tennis has certainly not been the winner since their administration has been in place.

ace ventura
03-01-2010, 09:34 PM
Yes there is no excuse for not having players through, there were many great kids ready to go when Tiley got in but Cash was spot on, all had too many coaches,
and really you can see TA were only focused on the youth,

Maybe they didnt want to develop any one that they didnt develop THEMSELVES for TEN YEARS ??

Maybe they want the TA mark , on every player that comes through, yes interesting the marketing for what 6 players,, that is a conflict of interest fro sure.

This ten year thing is a complete excuse.

ace ventura
03-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Doubt it will make people feel safe - look what happens to those that do speak up! No wonder so many kids decide to turn their back on TA - a clear pathway - what a load of b/s!

Tiley was calm but the question has still not been answered as to why we do not have any players following Hewitt. Perhaps if they had focussed on the group that were transitioning to seniors instead of dumping them and give themselves more time to stay unaccountable. By taking on the younger players they can always say that they have five to ten years more before they are accountable. Tennis has certainly not been the winner since their administration has been in place.

Id say you would be safe to speak up now, obviously the sports commission really had no idea what's been going on , surely they wouldn't et this go on, so that might be a good place to start.
Surely they would be interested in the truth. !!!
Surely after what aired last night you would be able to see it would not be the players, coaches , parents who lie in this game.
Maybe they do need to know why so many players are tipped out or yes turn their backs on TA and why they are punished for that,
I am sure there is a lot of proof out there.
The more that comes out the better for the game.

Tenys4r
03-02-2010, 01:08 AM
Have been reading some comments posted on other forums and they seem to have the same themes as below:

1. Geoff Pollard came across as a smirking, self satisfied, buffoon and that no wonder tennis in Australia is where it is at the moment with him at the helm. The comment when he called tennis coaches "sales staff foremost and then coaches" certainly showed that it is a business and that the sport of tennis obviuosly came a poor second.

2. Craig Tiley answered the questions in typical salesman type manner. That manner irritates me as it means that he thinks we are idiots. His image would have to take a beating. Both he and Woodbridge at times were unable to name players - i thought that this was their job? That is a disgrace.

3. Todd Woodbridge - well he was laughable. What was he saying - "I am doing it for the sport" "I can be the voice of Australian tennis" - the man is an egomaniac! Must be hard to fit the sport in when he has so many positions and pay packets.

4. Lleyton - came out as well spoken, passionate, level headed. He was certainly impressive - his respect for the older players and mentors on the tour was admirable. Instead of casting them off as Tennis Australia has done - his words on Tony Roche were humbling.

Well done Four Corners!

bad gambler
03-02-2010, 01:58 AM
Steve Wood's response to why Stosur's match against Serena was not shown live on free to air was laughable as well.

Anyway I agree, ABC & 4 corners did a pretty good job with this doco.

Wrong Direction
03-02-2010, 08:38 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100301/tennis/docs/ASC_response.pdf

If you look at the Australian Sports Commission media response (as per above link) to 4 corners there appears to be a gravy train happening and it appears none of us are aboard. In summary-

2007 AIS/Tennis Australia program 17 athletes (aged 17-23) - 8 staff

2008 AIS/Tennis Australia program 34 athletes (aged 17-23) - 14 staff

2009 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-21) - 18 staff

2010 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-20) - 17 staff

Not bad ratios for the athletes under this 'youth policy.' A 1990-91 kid with ATP points and ranking below 800 gets jack shit. I'd be happy to have one decent coach with a bit of mongrel in him that could take a group of 6-8 guys through together. Just keep wrapping your chosen few up in cotton wool Tiley, it won't work. Once the public really get their head around what has been going on there will be outrage. Tiley said on radio today that the 4 corners show was a organised by Paul McNamee to undermine him. Tiley is now worried as he will be one of the first sacked once there is a leadership change at TA.

ace ventura
03-02-2010, 10:57 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100301/tennis/docs/ASC_response.pdf

If you look at the Australian Sports Commission media response (as per above link) to 4 corners there appears to be a gravy train happening and it appears none of us are aboard. In summary-

2007 AIS/Tennis Australia program 17 athletes (aged 17-23) - 8 staff

2008 AIS/Tennis Australia program 34 athletes (aged 17-23) - 14 staff

2009 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-21) - 18 staff

2010 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-20) - 17 staff

Not bad ratios for the athletes under this 'youth policy.' A 1990-91 kid with ATP points and ranking below 800 gets jack shit. I'd be happy to have one decent coach with a bit of mongrel in him that could take a group of 6-8 guys through together. Just keep wrapping your chosen few up in cotton wool Tiley, it won't work. Once the public really get their head around what has been going on there will be outrage. Tiley said on radio today that the 4 corners show was a organised by Paul McNamee to undermine him. Tiley is now worried as he will be one of the first sacked once there is a leadership change at TA.

WHERE IN THE ASC POLICY DOES IT STATE THERE IS A " YOUTH POLICY " I READ IT AS 17 - 23. ?

Wrong Direction
03-03-2010, 01:06 AM
WHERE IN THE ASC POLICY DOES IT STATE THERE IS A " YOUTH POLICY " I READ IT AS 17 - 23. ?

On page 2 of the Australian Sports Commission Reply-

"The program now targets athletes aged 16-21. The original age bracket (17-23) was established to be as inclusive as possible of athletes making the transition who had been without support. The intention has always been to gradually move to more of a youth focus with the athletes in their early 20s progressing into other programs and other forms of support (eg Davis and Fed Cup squads)"

What they really meant to say was that the program now targets athletes aged 16-19, bad luck anyone older even if you have ATP ranking but we are that pig headed with our 'youth focus' approach we aren't going to change.

The funny thing about TA in all of this is that in sports such as soccer they have youth squads and under 23 teams etc because the administrators realise that the players aren't mature enough to mix it with the big boys at an early age. They nurture them until they are ready. In the AFL they may draft an 18 y.o but they realise that they won't be cutting the mustard until their early 20's with the realisation that they should be at their peak between the ages of 25-28. How many under 18's do you see playing for the Australian Cricket Team?.

With TA they are shafting alot of the guys entering the age when they can start to excel with the right support. If they discard them between the ages of 19-23 and they give up the game as a result, how are we as a nation going to have any top players when they are aged between 23-30. What happens to the guys presently chosen under the 'youth focus' criteria when they turn 19-20?.

ace ventura
03-03-2010, 01:28 AM
Well if these are the facts, they still turned their back on selecting that very 1991 age group last year as well. Those kids who then were 17 turning 18.
Who had equal and some if not better results than the ones selected 2009. Potential and everything else they claim to select on.
So there is age discrimination going on for the 1991 / 1990 age group.

These are kids who had been in the programs that are meant to be underpinning the AIS, These are the kids who paid for TA squads for years, who's parents attended many TA meetings , where white boards with projectors and texta's were bought out saying THESE KIDS were on a pathway into the AIS, as they were told they were currently in a world class program. These kids were classed as the elite athletes at the time , so why were at least some of them not good enough to go onto AIS as the pathway suggests they should have.
That these kids had some good international results, many were National Champions, so why do these athletes have no pathway now.
Clearly Tennis Australia and their pathway has much mis-leading information .
Which when many of these kids left school to join TAs full time programs makes this very serious indeed.
Not to mention a lot of these elite athletes in TA'S elite programs are now having trouble getting into Colleges overseas as targeted scholarship holders , as Tennis Australia managed to not pick up on a very important rule change.
( I am sure more of those facts also will be exposed )
This means though that many of those kids who at 14 who were in TIleys world class programs, with its world class coaches now just for years later , just when they should be transitioning , find they have no where to go.
This four corners has only opened up the surface of the very serious issues that are going on when it come to TA'S duty of care to its athletes via its pathway.
really they shafted many on that so called pathway at the age of 17.
The worst thing is as they wee not honest about this change of pathway , and that kids still were told to try out for AIS, means they also had no chance of getting established some where else .
Such is the lack of transparency.

Wrong Direction
03-03-2010, 01:54 AM
Well if these are the facts, they still turned their back on selecting that very 1991 age group last year as well. Those kids who then were 17 turning 18.
Who had equal and some if not better results than the ones selected 2009. Potential and everything else they claim to select on.
So there is age discrimination going on for the 1991 / 1990 age group.



You are absolutely correct. These 1990-91 guys missed out because they were considered too young at one stage then within 18 months-2 years they are considered too old because of the change in the TA criteria. Go figure. You can only shift the goal posts so many times before the guys and parents, private coaches and sponsors start to get a bit agitated. I hope the 4 corners journalist decides to do a bit of a follow up after the TA election. If people let it rest, the bullshit will continue. This 5 year plan etc etc is just guaranteeing the parties concerned TILEY, WOODBRIDGE, WOODS, etc etc continual employment.

ace ventura
03-03-2010, 03:11 AM
Id say this is just starting to gather momentum.
Ah yeah shame four corners didn't mention that since Tiley has been running the open , the Ball kids don't get paid, that is a disgrace for the hours they put in, not to mention the poor parents who have to be on stand by sometimes to pick up kids in the middle of the night and be up for work the next day.

I believe people who actually care about CHILDREN and ATHLETES, and TENNIS , and WHOLE COMMUNITIES , the traditions of Tennis and all Australia has at stake here, will not let this go.
There is no stopping this now, Australia is about a fair go, and there will always be battlers out there, even tough enough to battle this " Tennis Australia" the huge business, statistics, corporation !! " and what is has become.

I have no doubt good people will fight for TENNIS " IN " AUSTRALIA. on all fronts.

save ausdecline
03-03-2010, 09:04 AM
i say from all the above comments if there is gonna be change in structure of TA its gotta be smooth. This is not smooth.

ace ventura
03-03-2010, 11:27 AM
People have tried to be smooth about this , yes it would be good if it was smooth, however people are becoming furious,

I wonder have TA ever tried to console crying children who cat get into squads because they do not have enough points to be developed? Have they ever lay in bed at night sleepless worrying about paying for the next caravan park for the next nationals and how they will get a week off work , when there is not duty of care for that tournament . Have these guys in admin given up nearly every weekend and holidays for years on end to sit at tennis waiting for hours for the rain to stop so their kids can get these points to lighten the load financially to make the criteria just to be developed ,,,,,Or so the kids can get into squads to getting a hitting partner cause all the best kid have gone to squads to afford this. No wonder this large base thins out so quickly, and our depth is so weak at the top end.

Imagine if the AFL decided they would select each clubs players who then had to play off to be in the grandfinal, well this in a way is what is happening to tennis,
Most of the w.c play off for the open is w/cs , regardless of where you are ranked, Imagine if the afl didnt like you ,or didnt like your coach, regardless of your results all year. Regardless that you paid for yourself to get around the world to get your ATP points and yet that too is ignored,,, as TA not only fund the young ones they get the w.cs to get experience, seriously what ever happened to earning anything,,,,

Then you have Traralgon tennis club , who have run such a great tournament for 18 years, who's community thrive in it , and now these cheery volunteers and staff who cant do enough for people, have to go out and find $ 350,000 to keep the event, Enough for a house, or to fund a heap of under privileged kids for lessons ... I mean lets look at money well spent and a little humanity here. Do you think for one junior lead in event each year it is worth the tonnnnnne of grief, for a blue court, if TA think it is so important why don't they pay for it.
They seem to have the money thats for sure,,,, it is after all a tennis Australia event.

What next we will have blue grass courts,, ?

TA do not own this sport , has every one got so used to the dictatorship they dont blink anymore, while so many people have been devastated ....

I think people have tried smooth, sounds nice, but there isn't much that is too nice , that is actually going on.

This after all, all of this money gathering is not about saving lives, this is about sport,,, and where is the sportsmanship in all of this.

ace ventura
03-03-2010, 09:09 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100301/tennis/docs/ASC_response.pdf

If you look at the Australian Sports Commission media response (as per above link) to 4 corners there appears to be a gravy train happening and it appears none of us are aboard. In summary-

2007 AIS/Tennis Australia program 17 athletes (aged 17-23) - 8 staff

2008 AIS/Tennis Australia program 34 athletes (aged 17-23) - 14 staff

2009 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-21) - 18 staff

2010 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-20) - 17 staff

Not bad ratios for the athletes under this 'youth policy.' A 1990-91 kid with ATP points and ranking below 800 gets jack shit. I'd be happy to have one decent coach with a bit of mongrel in him that could take a group of 6-8 guys through together. Just keep wrapping your chosen few up in cotton wool Tiley, it won't work. Once the public really get their head around what has been going on there will be outrage. Tiley said on radio today that the 4 corners show was a organised by Paul McNamee to undermine him. Tiley is now worried as he will be one of the first sacked once there is a leadership change at TA.

I wonder what the statistics are for the players who were in his squads four years ago, and how many are still in the system have moved up through to AIS, as of now. I think that must be looked at . This would be some indication of the success rate.

Did Tiley really say that to Radio ? After all those issues thats all he could come up with , to bag McNamee, well there is your democracy, haven't people the right to see both sides, to get an unbiased opinion, or is this meant to be a one way election.?
That comments sounds very immature to me.
Besides there was a lot in the program and it wasnt McNamee that stood out in the end for me,
It was things like , development , what pat cash said , yeah the hub of tennis in Canberra ? That they moved it away for that reason and now they move it back again.
That TA have bought our Tennis magazine. What is happening to Traralgon lead in event.
Like Tiley doesn't get his fair share of publicity, TA ... for that matter and every one in it, they own the Aus tennis magazine, they have a whole website they use all the time for " self promotion" and for " their athletes ,,,, so to point that finger at any one else, it a joke.

Then they after one program, where others give an opinion , they toss it off as ' one persons" " self promotion "... It really is scraping the barrel if you ask me. Not to mention he and AIS got plenty of air time on that for themselves and THIER ATHLETES ......

ace ventura
03-03-2010, 11:12 PM
oh and I mean look at the statistics of the players who were 14, 15 ,1 6 and 17 who got in four years ago, on their "great junior results " better then the results alot of the juniors are getting now, those players that should be transitioning now if this was working,

How many of those kids are now in AIS , that thought that TODD was their clear path ???

Tenys4r
03-04-2010, 12:52 AM
With TA they are shafting alot of the guys entering the age when they can start to excel with the right support. If they discard them between the ages of 19-23 and they give up the game as a result, how are we as a nation going to have any top players when they are aged between 23-30. What happens to the guys presently chosen under the 'youth focus' criteria when they turn 19-20?.

So true so true! What is the average age of players in the Top 100 - i think i read somewhere it is 25-27. Our kids don't stand a chance with the likes of Tiley etc and Woodbridge. Their whole focus in the young ones - that gives them no accountability for five years or so - but you bought up a point i also mentioned recently - what happens to these 16 year olds in a few years time? Do they also get dumped out on their ears because they haven't "made it"?

Tennis Australia is now a laughing stock - and all Tiley's vacuuous responses in the media are directed at McNamee and some sort of smear campaign. You could tell by their manner and their responses that they won't listen to public opinion, they don't care! Put someone in charge who does care!

Whilst the 4 corners program was good it didn't hit hard enough. How on earth can they have a Management company for 6 athletes - how on earth is that fair to the others? Wildcards, favouritism - it all becomes so divisive. My god - you don't have to be Einstein to work out that public opinion would be against it. Kubler got a wildcard into Australian Open with absolutely no ATP points, not one senior win - how is that fair? This will happen time and time again because there will be no way to stop it.

Tenys4r
03-04-2010, 12:58 AM
oh and I mean look at the statistics of the players who were 14, 15 ,1 6 and 17 who got in four years ago, on their "great junior results " better then the results alot of the juniors are getting now, those players that should be transitioning now if this was working,

How many of those kids are now in AIS , that thought that TODD was their clear path ???

Steven DOnald was just the tip of the iceberg - it would be interesting to make a list of them - Thomas, McKenzie, Lindahl and on and on....

Todd Woodbridge's continual comment that this is the best group of kids for 10 years just makes me laugh! How would he know - his position in athlete development only started recently - they are just spin doctors regurgitating Tileys message.

Wrong Direction
03-04-2010, 05:28 AM
This was a quote taken from a newspaper article in Brisbane in January 2010 attributed to Brent Larkham. Head of AIS tour program.

"The average age of the top 100 in the men's is 26-and-a-half years old. There are only six guys under 21 years old who are in the top 150 in the world," he says. "So if you can get anywhere near the top 100 as a teenager you're going to be a star.

"You have to persevere. You can't go out there for one year or two years and still be 300 in the world and be concerned about it because it is a process. You need to mature physically and mentally."

Simple question - Why are TA screwing up the development of all our 19-23 years olds when the average age of a player in top 100 is 26 and a half years old?.

ace ventura
03-04-2010, 08:10 AM
Because The Director Of Australian Tennis Said So.

n8
03-04-2010, 10:42 AM
This was a quote taken from a newspaper article in Brisbane in January 2010 attributed to Brent Larkham. Head of AIS tour program.

"The average age of the top 100 in the men's is 26-and-a-half years old. There are only six guys under 21 years old who are in the top 150 in the world," he says. "So if you can get anywhere near the top 100 as a teenager you're going to be a star.

"You have to persevere. You can't go out there for one year or two years and still be 300 in the world and be concerned about it because it is a process. You need to mature physically and mentally."

Simple question - Why are TA screwing up the development of all our 19-23 years olds when the average age of a player in top 100 is 26 and a half years old?.

I only count 2: Guillaume Rufin (FRA), aged 19 and 9 months and ranked 139, and Donald Young (USA), aged 20 and 7 months and ranked 144. Amazing to think that there's not a single player under 21 ranked in the top 130.

The question in green is my main concern. TA seem to be looking at old data. Players don't crack top until older these days. It's a strange phenomenon that's only really come about in the last couple of years but all the teenagers are being weeded out of the top 100 until they reach their early 20s. The young guns of the tour now are del Potro, Cilic, Querrey, Bellucci, Gulbis and Korolev; all over 21. A lot of Australian players aged 18-23 sitting outside the top 150 are still big chances to make it and TA should acknowledge this.

ace ventura
03-04-2010, 12:43 PM
yes i find this very interesting too.

TA said they did extensive research to come up with this... after watching FOUR CORNERS, you would have to ask who they employed ? and how much they paid for this... ?

I also did my research on every country playing tennis and the ranking of every player at 18/ 19 who ended up top 100, and on my research I also found this to be untrue

and that it took the " majority " in a lot of countries ,( not the minority) far longer to come through. They did not at " all " have to be in ranking criteria's seem to be putting out.



Mind you TA seem to like to work with the minority when it comes to players.

jmf07
03-04-2010, 02:59 PM
Steven DOnald was just the tip of the iceberg - it would be interesting to make a list of them - Thomas, McKenzie, Lindahl and on and on....


A random question but is the Stephen Donald playing that AMT's in Melbourne him or someone else?

jmf07
03-04-2010, 03:28 PM
And sorry for continuing on about the AMT but what the hell is the go with the women having a $25,000 tour event in Sydney whilst the best on offer for the men is an AMT. It is already bad enough that outside of Burnie every single men's future $15,000 is accompanied by a $25,000 womens event. Perhaps they could equal it up a bit and actually have more than one mens challenger. Can anyone shed any light on this?

ace ventura
03-05-2010, 12:34 AM
And sorry for continuing on about the AMT but what the hell is the go with the women having a $25,000 tour event in Sydney whilst the best on offer for the men is an AMT. It is already bad enough that outside of Burnie every single men's future $15,000 is accompanied by a $25,000 womens event. Perhaps they could equal it up a bit and actually have more than one mens challenger. Can anyone shed any light on this?

WHAT A GREAT POINT,,,

Does explain why TA can claim how well the women's rankings are doing.....

Yeah equal it up TA ,,, like an AMT is going to help everyone who need ATP rankings not too mention you never get the prize money they advertise at AMT's anyway, depending on a full draw which is shithouse...

What we go to work and because other people dont turn up , we chould not be fully paid !! CRAP TA. With all this money from AO and all our entry fees !!

Im starting to feel TA are just to rip the majority of tennis people in this country off. be it for players, coaches, coaching courses, the fees add up.

I mean you enter thinking you will get one thing then it is another, so many things are like that when you enter ANYTHING to do with the Tennis Australia system.

TA are not delivering.

So why do they not shut up with their silly promises... and fake transparency.............. on so many issues.

When will they work out you do not need to wear a suit, have done a business course to see through all this. That they can not continue to pull the wool over peoples eyes.

ace ventura
03-06-2010, 08:38 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100301/tennis/docs/ASC_response.pdf

If you look at the Australian Sports Commission media response (as per above link) to 4 corners there appears to be a gravy train happening and it appears none of us are aboard. In summary-

2007 AIS/Tennis Australia program 17 athletes (aged 17-23) - 8 staff

2008 AIS/Tennis Australia program 34 athletes (aged 17-23) - 14 staff

2009 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-21) - 18 staff

2010 AIS/Tennis Australia program 16 athletes (aged 16-20) - 17 staff

Not bad ratios for the athletes under this 'youth policy.' A 1990-91 kid with ATP points and ranking below 800 gets jack shit. I'd be happy to have one decent coach with a bit of mongrel in him that could take a group of 6-8 guys through together. Just keep wrapping your chosen few up in cotton wool Tiley, it won't work. Once the public really get their head around what has been going on there will be outrage. Tiley said on radio today that the 4 corners show was a organised by Paul McNamee to undermine him. Tiley is now worried as he will be one of the first sacked once there is a leadership change at TA.


THIS IS RIDICULOUS. FOR SO FEW.

ace ventura
03-06-2010, 10:53 PM
It says in the papers , that Ftzgerald said it has been a " traumatic week " well gee , maybe if any one had listened in at TA , they might have noticed for so many people that
it has been a traumatic " four years ....."

What I don't get either is how Newk pushed and pushed and pushed for change during this four year period , which Im sure people a lot of people in Aus tennis respected, then you read his letter on four corners, and his big turn around when their is the opportunity for this. Eg Last election.

Ok so he went to school with Pollard, so is this another big indication about how much of a mates club this " set up is," instead of a professional outfit , looking after the interests of the sport and the majority involved in it. ?

I guess more will come to light now Four Corners and many people have begun to lift the lid.

ace ventura
03-15-2010, 07:21 PM
So yes ,
Woodbridge says on Four Corners how important it is kids have these pathways ,
Yet a whole generation of players have been wrecked, over the pst four years, do you think there is a way for these players to get compensation. ?
How can they just turn a pathway upside down and get away with it. ?

Should be a way to be compensated when many families paid good money to be on this player pathway and trusted TA , to just reach a dead end, how many kids gave up Private school scholarships worth a lot of money to be a part of this, Do people like Wood and Tiley even care ?

Its good people have started to stand up and get tough and do not let this happen again.

I mean why should Tennis just be for rich families or for the so few that get into AIS. That is not on. Especially when TA boast about how much money they are making on the business side of things.

n8
03-21-2010, 02:12 AM
I just wrote a few articles about age and ranking (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/ageandranking2.html) which highlight the complete lack of players under 21 in the top 100 and shows how the average age of top 100 players has been increasing since the beginning of the century (nice graph showing this). TA desparately needs to acknowledge this trend and give our talented 19-23 year olds a better go.

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Wrong Direction
03-21-2010, 07:40 AM
I just wrote a few articles about age and ranking (http://statracket.net/?view=articles/ageandranking2.html) which highlight the complete lack of players under 21 in the top 100 and shows how the average age of top 100 players has been increasing since the beginning of the century (nice graph showing this). TA desparately needs to acknowledge this trend and give our talented 19-23 year olds a better go.

If you are going to buy from Keller Sports and want to support my site please buy through the link below 'latest updates' on the left of my website (http://statracket.net/?).

Thanks for the stats, just backs up what we've all been saying about TA's neglect of all out talented 19-23 year olds. They are the ones that are showing that they can play on the futures tour but they have been by and large been deserted. The 'kids' have been deserted in favour of the 'toddlers'. I think also that the money in Tennis once you are established is keeping a lot of guys in the sport longer which in turn is creating a log jam. Getting into the top 50 in tennis is as hard as being picked in the Australian cricket team. Our young players unless they get some help or lucky breaks could quite conceivably spend a few years ranked between 250-700 due to the lack of movement in the mens top 100.