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ATP Marseille tournament director furious with Murray

Lopez
02-15-2010, 09:03 PM
Gotta love them fiery Frenchmen :lol:

Hell hath no fury like a Frenchman scorned and the organiser of the ATP Marseille event, Jean-Francois Caujolle, is telling anyone who will listen that he is not happy with Andy Murray.

Caujolle first spoke with L'Equipe, and then to Eurosport France, and THEN the British press, about how furious he was that Murray had withdrawn from next week's event in the south of France.

Murray was due to be top seed in the tournament but pulled out so he could "take an extra week off to recuperate and recover for the long season ahead".

Not a good enough excuse according to Caujolle, who now wants Murray suspended by the ATP, especially as it is the second successive year the Scot has pulled out of his event.

"Murray did the same thing to me last year," Caujolle said with what we imagine was a typically Gallic shrug of the shoulders.

"He can't know what it is to keep his word. A week ago, he asked me for a wildcard to play doubles with his brother Jamie and I gave him one.

"A few days ago he asked me for five hotel rooms and I gave him them. The number one seed of a tournament should have a sense of responsibility. If he does not respect his commitments, he should be suspended by the ATP."

Meeeow!

Caujolle also told Eurosport France that when Murray pulled out last year he offered to play for free this season, which shows that there was at least some humility on his part. But Caujolle refused the offer and said he would pay him his usual rate.

Now though, it is hard to see what Murray can do to win back favour with the French, and while there has traditionally been no love lost between the cities of Marseille and Paris, Murray might have to deal with some sneering French spectators when he competes at Roland Garros this year.

Source: http://eurosport.yahoo.com/15022010/58/tramlines-l-affaire-murrayseillaise.html

MurrayFan1
02-15-2010, 09:21 PM
He was on TV earlier claiming that he never asked for Murray to be suspended haha. He must be pissed off tbh, I think JMDP pulled out as well? You know you got owned when Soderling is your number 1 seed...

This tournament was shaping up to be really good. It had a decent draw.

Komodo
02-15-2010, 09:24 PM
Well, I perfectly understand why Murray doesn't want to play Marseille.

Having said that, promising to come even just a few days before the start of the tournament, and then not showing up, reflects badly on him and on his manners.

scoobs
02-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Storm in a teacup. Players pull out all the time, tournament directors get in a flap all the time.

Andy needs to plan his schedule better and avoid dropping out of tournaments like this, but then again he had to commit to Marseille before his run in Australia, he didn't know he was going to want to take more time off before returning to action.

Shit happens, basically.

Dini
02-15-2010, 09:30 PM
Not the first time players pull out, but I've never seen this sort of rage from a tournament director. Murray's never coming back to Marseilles after this, and it's no big loss to be frank. I get the director's frustration but lashing out in public like that, even if Andy was at fault, does him no favours.

scoobs
02-15-2010, 09:32 PM
Not the first time players pull out, but I've never seen this sort of rage from a tournament director. Murray's never coming back to Marseilles after this, and it's no big loss to be frank. I get the director's frustration but lashing out in public like that, even if Andy was at fault, does him no favours.
Well he can take it out on Andy with crappy scheduling for the Paris masters.

Sjengster
02-15-2010, 09:35 PM
The Auld Alliance is well and truly gone, it would seem.

Fee
02-15-2010, 09:40 PM
Not the first time players pull out, but I've never seen this sort of rage from a tournament director. Murray's never coming back to Marseilles after this, and it's no big loss to be frank. I get the director's frustration but lashing out in public like that, even if Andy was at fault, does him no favours.

This one.

Believe me, there have been a lot of phone calls about the behavior of both already today. Murray had every right to withdraw, and he did it by the deadline. Who knows what really went on between him and the TD behind closed doors, but the TD should have been the bigger, better man and kept his mouth shut. Bad mouth a player like that and other players take notice.

elessar
02-15-2010, 09:41 PM
He said afterwards he didn't really want Murray suspended and was just disappointed his top seed withdrew. It sucks from Murray if all the crap about the Hotel room and the offer to play for free is true, but Caujolle has absolutely nothing to gain by making his annoyance public.

And :lol: at the FO sneers, as if the average RG goers is going to know Murray withdrew late at a MM tourney

Komodo
02-15-2010, 09:42 PM
Andy needs to plan his schedule better and avoid dropping out of tournaments like this, but then again he had to commit to Marseille before his run in Australia, he didn't know he was going to want to take more time off before returning to action.


Which part of "Murray asked for a wildcard a week ago; Murray asked for 5 hotel rooms a few days ago" did you not understand?

This happened way after his run in Australia. That kind of spontaneous dicking around with a tournament director isn't as usual as some Murray fans may want to think. Of course, we don't know Murray's version of it (and it isn't even that interesting).

Abc Tennis
02-15-2010, 09:48 PM
Well he can take it out on Andy with crappy scheduling for the Paris masters.

Already done that :angel:

scoobs
02-15-2010, 09:50 PM
Which part of "Murray asked for a wildcard a week ago; Murray asked for 5 hotel rooms a few days ago" did you not understand?

This happened way after his run in Australia. That kind of spontaneous dicking around with a tournament director isn't as usual as some Murray fans may want to think. Of course, we don't know Murray's version of it (and it isn't even that interesting).
I'm certainly not making excuses for him - if the story is that he asked for a doubles wildcard last week and the hotels last week and then decided last minute then he changed his mind fairly late in the day, that he needed more time before returning to the tour - and he's entitled to do that but would do better to try to avoid dicking around with the tournament.

But we don't have Murray's side of the story.

What we have is the rant to the media from a tournament director who in the normal course of events would deal with requests like this, completely non-extraordinary from a top player, without batting an eyelid.

Noleta
02-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Not the first time players pull out, but I've never seen this sort of rage from a tournament director. Murray's never coming back to Marseilles after this, and it's no big loss to be frank. I get the director's frustration but lashing out in public like that, even if Andy was at fault, does him no favours.

Agree.No need for the TD to say that in public,Murray asked ofr this,Murray asked for that...,he is not,and won't be the first player to pull out from tournaments.

Everko
02-15-2010, 10:19 PM
Murray wimped out again. :rolleyes:

is anyone surprised?

Matt01
02-15-2010, 10:21 PM
Why not make it public when a Top Player doesn't take his committments serious? If the stories the tournament director told us are true, then I would be very pissed as well. Saying that Murray should be suspended for that is maybe a bit too much, though...

Goldenoldie
02-15-2010, 10:32 PM
When did Murray pull out? I hope the idiot isn't going to have to carry another zero-pointer this season.

decrepitude
02-15-2010, 10:36 PM
No, the ATP have confirmed that he correctly pulled out before the deadline, and anyway you don't get a zero-pointer for a 250 tournament.

Abc Tennis
02-15-2010, 10:39 PM
When did Murray pull out?

According to Caujolle himself, he withdrew before Del Potro did, so friday morning at the lastest.

Goldenoldie
02-15-2010, 11:09 PM
No, the ATP have confirmed that he correctly pulled out before the deadline, and anyway you don't get a zero-pointer for a 250 tournament.

Thanks for the info.

I'm sure I remember him getting a zero-pointer for Indianopolis (2008?) because it was his second late withdrawal. Wasn't that a 250?

I didn't mean he would get a zero for Marseille alone, but that it would count as the first of 2.

paseo
02-16-2010, 01:12 AM
What a prick this Murray.

abraxas21
02-16-2010, 02:20 AM
Which part of "Murray asked for a wildcard a week ago; Murray asked for 5 hotel rooms a few days ago" did you not understand?

This happened way after his run in Australia. That kind of spontaneous dicking around with a tournament director isn't as usual as some Murray fans may want to think. Of course, we don't know Murray's version of it (and it isn't even that interesting).

yeah... I don't know if that's really normal.

I remember one time that Nadal pulled out of a tournament because of injury and actually went to the place to personally give the proper explanations.. I thought that was a nice gesture.

Then again, I can see why the TD is pissed off but he's got nothing to gain from this, I'm afraid...

kindling
02-16-2010, 02:44 AM
Sounds like Murray's just lazy. Asking for all those things and then pulling out. What a jerk, no sense of respect.

.-Federers_Mate-.
02-16-2010, 03:43 AM
murrays a good guy,nice to the fans..so its the tds fault. The td should be pissed off with del-po for being a big pussy

Mĺnu
02-16-2010, 05:51 AM
murrays a good guy,nice to the fans..so its the tds fault. The td should be pissed off with del-po for being a big pussy

Del Potro probably didn't act as a diva asking for a WC and 5 hotel rooms before withdrawing... I really understand the tds frustration.

Truc
02-16-2010, 07:04 AM
Caujolle really is an idiot about his event anyway, it's not the first time it happens.
He was already badmouthing Murray in the media last year, although his withdrawal was perfectly normal and expected, everybody could see in Rotterdam that he was not in shape to play Marseille.
But Caujolle was already saying that he shouldn't be allowed to do that, he is not fair, he should take Djokovic as a model who came in 2008 although he wasn't in shape (and tanked big time!), etc.
http://www.laprovence.com/article/sports-region/tennis-open-13-andy-murray-laisse-tomber-le-public-marseillais
(His complete statements were harsher, but I can't look for the old articles right now.)

I was really surprised to see Muzza on the entry list again, I thought he would never play in Marseille again after the treatment he got last year.
So Caujolle is quite a whiner and definitely prone to exaggeration too.

Truc
02-16-2010, 07:11 AM
Not the first time players pull out, but I've never seen this sort of rage from a tournament director.The rant of the Vienna tournament director when Nadal pulled out a few years ago was pretty embarrassing too. He was really making him look bad in the Austrian media, like a traitor.

Puschkin
02-16-2010, 07:18 AM
The rant of the Vienna tournament director when Nadal pulled out a few years ago was pretty embarrassing too. He was really making him look bad in the Austrian media, like a traitor.

If I remember correctly, the embarassement came from a very late withdrawal (Saturday) after he had confirmed participation the day before. I think this is what embarasses tourney directors the most, the late decisions. But I agree with those who say, that directors should keep quiet about it, it won't help them with other players at other occasions. It is part of the frustration coming with the job, they have to live with it.

Speed of Light
02-16-2010, 07:52 AM
Muggay,the 2 time fluke slam finalist,is an embarrasement for the tennis world.

Amber Spyglass
02-16-2010, 10:27 AM
Caujolle really is an idiot about his event anyway, it's not the first time it happens.
He was already badmouthing Murray in the media last year, although his withdrawal was perfectly normal and expected, everybody could see in Rotterdam that he was not in shape to play Marseille.
But Caujolle was already saying that he shouldn't be allowed to do that, he is not fair, he should take Djokovic as a model who came in 2008 although he wasn't in shape (and tanked big time!), etc.
http://www.laprovence.com/article/sports-region/tennis-open-13-andy-murray-laisse-tomber-le-public-marseillais
(His complete statements were harsher, but I can't look for the old articles right now.)

I was really surprised to see Muzza on the entry list again, I thought he would never play in Marseille again after the treatment he got last year.
So Caujolle is quite a whiner and definitely prone to exaggeration too.

I never thought I'd see the day when someone would advise a player in the top five to follow Djokovic's good example :tape:

Corey Feldman
02-16-2010, 12:23 PM
this little general better be quiet

Clydey
02-16-2010, 02:41 PM
Del Potro probably didn't act as a diva asking for a WC and 5 hotel rooms before withdrawing... I really understand the tds frustration.

Asking for a hotel room for each team member is acting like a diva? Are you being a diva when you go on holiday and book separate hotel rooms, or do you all sleep in the one bed?

Ibracadabra
02-16-2010, 02:52 PM
Atleast del potro withdrew from injury, not because he wanted an extra week in bed.

Arkulari
02-16-2010, 04:06 PM
I don't mind the withdrawal, it's up to Murray how to plan his schedule, but the rooms could have been booked by his own management and it wasn't cool to ask for a doubles WC if he wasn't set to play :shrug:

Fee
02-16-2010, 07:23 PM
Atleast del potro withdrew from injury, not because he wanted an extra week in bed.

Or maybe Murray withdrew because something hurts and he doesn't want to talk about it publicly lest the vultures begin to circle.

I don't mind the withdrawal, it's up to Murray how to plan his schedule, but the rooms could have been booked by his own management and it wasn't cool to ask for a doubles WC if he wasn't set to play :shrug:

All of the top players get as many rooms as they want when they play optional tournaments (and Federer regularly gets a 2 room suite), so this is not unusual. The five were probably himself, his coach, his physio, his brother, and perhaps his mother. I know that Roddick had at least 4 in previous years at San Jose (himself, his coach, his trainer, his stringer) so Murray is no more a diva than any other top ranked, appearance fee paid player at an optional. They all do it, but most TD's have enough class to keep quiet about it.

I think he asked for the doubles WC because he wanted to play and was on his way to play until something changed on Thursday or Friday. Sadly, we dont have the exact timeline on the requests and Murray may never speak out on this if the ATP has advised him to let it die.

DrJules
02-16-2010, 07:42 PM
The tournament organiser, Murray and tennis do not benefit from these actions.

Tennis can only lose when it alienates the public who pay money to buy tickets to watch these players and at the last minute see them withraw and it does not help having the discussion in the public domain.

tangerine_dream
02-17-2010, 05:01 AM
I hope next year Murray commits to play Marseille and then withdraws again. Three strikes and yer out! Muah.

.-Federers_Mate-.
02-17-2010, 07:46 AM
Atleast del potro withdrew from injury, not because he wanted an extra week in bed.

i doubt it..del potros probably shining his us open trophy and chilling in monte-carlo

boughtmypoints
02-18-2010, 07:31 AM
This T.D. is one of the good guys in tennis and the other players know it. (pace Fee)

Most players don't act like jerks with a t.d. for the simple reason that one day they may need a real favour from the same T.D..

scoobs
02-18-2010, 07:50 AM
This T.D. is one of the good guys in tennis and the other players know it. (pace Fee)

Most players don't act like jerks with a t.d. for the simple reason that one day they may need a real favour from the same T.D..
And most TDs don't act like jerks badmouthing the players in public because they know that one day in the future the time may come when they desperately want that player to appear at their event even if they pulled out one year.

Let's wait until next year - if Andy decides to enter Marseille, you think the TD won't move heaven and earth to try and make sure Andy plays this time? Let's not be naive, it's the players who have the whip hand in this arrangement, not the TDs - and going off at a player in the media, given that fact of life, is not the smartest move.

Mimi
02-18-2010, 08:12 AM
well, he has his reason to feel angry:p

Ibracadabra
02-18-2010, 08:22 AM
i doubt it..del potros probably shining his us open trophy and chilling in monte-carlo
Murray shining his runner up trophies?

Horatio Caine
02-18-2010, 09:44 AM
I hope next year Murray commits to play Marseille and then withdraws again. Three strikes and yer out! Muah.

:lol: Is it actually possible to prohibit a player from entering an event (if he has repeatedly withdrawn over the years), if his ranking is good enough to get him in? :angel:

Not cool for Murray to withdraw like that, when it seems that he had every intention of playing (asking for hotel rooms, wild card for doubles)...but very unprofessional behaviour from the TD. As scoobs says, there is a time when virtually any TD would be particularly desperate to attract an extra big name or two, and that sort of behaviour does no-one any favours.

Also, if you look at it the other way, Murray should be given credit for a sensible scheduling decision...looking after his body well. Obviously most of the players couldn't afford to take as much time off like that, but some can always learn that an extra week or two on the sidelines would probably be of benefit. Indeed, some of the very best players still have a lot to learn...*cough* Nadal *cough*