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Who do you think is Nadal's biggest opponent on Clay this season?

Start da Game
02-09-2010, 07:24 PM
vote and discuss........

SetSampras
02-09-2010, 07:26 PM
I'll be surprised if Nadal does much this season at all including on clay. Hes going to need probably the rest of the year to get healthy and more time to get back to the highest level he can attain

bokehlicious
02-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Ginepri, obviously

LucasArg
02-09-2010, 07:28 PM
Himself. If Rafa is healthy he is almost unbeateable on clay.

A_Skywalker
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Federer. But only for Roland Garros, we know he doesnt bother playing on the mastersS

LEGENDOFTENNIS
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Federer and Potro

LEGENDOFTENNIS
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Federer. But only for Roland Garros, we know he doesnt bother playing on the mastersS

If he's playing Nadal he always goes for it.

r2473
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
Who do you think is Nadal's biggest opponent on Clay this season?

1) Dr. Ivo

2) Isner

3) Del Potro

4) Cilic

SetSampras
02-09-2010, 07:31 PM
This is all under the spectrum if Nadal does indeed get back to top form by clay season.. The chances of that happening are pretty slim consdering his injury . Nadal has to be in top form or else he is going to go out to the flavor of the month flash in the pan such as SoderCrap last year

Start da Game
02-09-2010, 07:31 PM
the discussion is basically centered around the french open........but consider other clay events as well........i voted for 'no one.....' keeping in view the french but i think del potro has the tools to down him in a 3 sets masters match.......

SetSampras
02-09-2010, 07:32 PM
the discussion is basically centered around the french open........but consider other clay events as well........i voted for 'no one.....' keeping in view the french but i think del potro has the tools to down him in a 3 sets masters match.......

If Del Potro can stay healthy. Hes another injury case

alter ego
02-09-2010, 07:33 PM
Nice poll, you putt clay clown Murray but no Davydenko/Soderking.

Sophocles
02-09-2010, 07:35 PM
The tournament directors in Barcelona & Madrid.

DrJules
02-09-2010, 07:36 PM
the discussion is basically centered around the french open........but consider other clay events as well........i voted for 'no one.....' keeping in view the french but i think del potro has the tools to down him in a 3 sets masters match.......

If that is the case and you are allowed more options in your poll you should have included Soderling who is the only player to beat Nadal in the French Open.

siddy
02-09-2010, 07:36 PM
He is not going to be invincible even if he stays healthy to do well in this year's clay season. I think Federer, Djokovic and Del Potro -- all three could trouble him.

SetSampras
02-09-2010, 07:38 PM
Nadal isnt going to be invincible anymore on clay. His peak is over and he will be more susceptible to losing. All things come to an end. There be a few guys who can take him out

Orka_n
02-09-2010, 07:40 PM
This poll presupposes that Nadal will be a superior player on clay this year. I don't believe that, which makes the poll pointless.
In other words: All of the options (and some more players) can beat moonballer in RG this year.
Edit: Note, however, that I said CAN. Not will. I think Nadull will have a good clay season, but he won't have an easy time.

DrJules
02-09-2010, 07:42 PM
The tournament directors in Barcelona & Madrid.

Good lateral thinking.

Nadal should not play Barcelona or Madrid.

victory1
02-09-2010, 07:42 PM
This is all under the spectrum if Nadal does indeed get back to top form by clay season.. The chances of that happening are pretty slim consdering his injury . Nadal has to be in top form or else he is going to go out to the flavor of the month flash in the pan such as SoderCrap last year

Why are you so negative?:rolleyes: Then when Nadal wins everything on clay, you will be the 1st to jump on his bandwagon!:p

Anyway, Nadal is still the one to beat on clay. I think this year he is going to go into the clay season with something to prove. He will be just as hard to beat like every clay season. I think anyone in the top 5 could challenge him on clay except for Murray. The word is challenge but that does not mean they'll win!;)

MrChopin
02-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Pretty much same opinion as others. If he's healthy, won't drop a set but will reopen Rafito's bakery. Unhealthy otherwise.

JediFed
02-09-2010, 07:49 PM
Uh, Federer is currently the King of Clay. Federer earned more points than Nadal.

I think Djokovic will give the current king more headaches than a recovering Nadal.

victory1
02-09-2010, 07:54 PM
Uh, Federer is currently the King of Clay. Federer earned more points than Nadal.

I think Djokovic will give the current king more headaches than a recovering Nadal.

Yes, I can't believe how many points Fed have to defend this clay season!:eek: Usually, it's Nadal facing that predicament; we will see how he responds, Roger that is!:p

acionescu
02-09-2010, 07:57 PM
His knees

abraxas21
02-09-2010, 07:58 PM
Migthy Kolya

Farrow
02-09-2010, 08:01 PM
Djokovic
Federer
Del Potro

In that order :)

Ivanatis
02-09-2010, 08:04 PM
These knees are good.

r2473
02-09-2010, 08:08 PM
These knees are good.

They are the "bees knees".

madmax
02-09-2010, 08:10 PM
I think his biggest enemy are those fragile knees, made of glass...:bigcry: Poor Rafito can't even dominate the tour because of them - at least that's what deluded Nadulltards are trying to tell us...

Dini
02-09-2010, 08:19 PM
Del Potro.

Vida
02-09-2010, 08:27 PM
good thread :yeah:

I go with Djokovic out of sentiment, but its really wide open. thing is so many variables are in play. maybe more than ever it is unclear how Nadal will fare this year on clay. yes, predictions of his form always seem to be wrong at this time of a season so I wouldn't dare to make an exact guess. still, it cant be as bad as last year, nor good as in 2008 season.

its hard seeing djoker having the exact same clay season. Id really like him to do something at FO, but he turned out to have a fragile mind and body so :shrug: who the hell knows. I'm sure he can win the whole thing but I would not put any money on it. just too much distractions going on with him and that is not good.

delpo is the hope but until he actually starts winning those lesser tournaments he cant be a lock for anything. technically, he hits so hard and is so large fella he can be a menace on slow courts, but he lacks that wining experience and is still to have a breakthrough in this age. talk about what era it is when a guy with a slam is still not 'made', to put it that way.

murray actually might win against nadal even on clay, I really would not be surprised if he does it (he was really good in MC semis I think last year) but guy simply has to many holes to win RG. wont happen.

so it leaves us with that old geezer who somehow always takes the prize while others kill each other in the meantime. it just might happen again. which would be a shame really. not cause of Fed himself, he is loaded few more make no difference, but if nobody of the younger guys (who are not that young anymore) are to win stuff than what can a guy say but its lame.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-09-2010, 08:40 PM
Djokovic can beat a 85% Nadal on clay

Del Potro could become a serious danger man... he just matches up. everything Nadal does that causes problems to everyone else are feeding into Del Potro's strength.... he also took Roger to 5 sets last time, and he could probably go one better this time

Murray- not likely... he's written off on clay, but... i think he could be good on the surface... call me crazy. solid groundies are solid groundies, movement can be improved

If Federer wins RG i think he's 90% likely to win the grand slam... unlesws simon reed says he will win, in which case he'll probably lose in the US OPEN final lol

Arkulari
02-09-2010, 08:43 PM
Clay season as a whole: Roger, Juan and Nole in no particular order

abraxas21
02-09-2010, 08:46 PM
i do realize you included the top 3 only but I'd just like to say that davydenko continues to be highly underrented around here.

Skyward
02-09-2010, 08:51 PM
There's no a consistent challenger for Nadal on clay. But, there's always a possibility that someone can come out and play a great macth.

Pigpen Stinks
02-09-2010, 09:04 PM
I'll throw another vote in for his gimpy knees.

marcRD
02-09-2010, 09:29 PM
If Nadal will play like he did in RG 2008 he wont have an opponent, possibly only Del Potro would take a set from him.

Vida
02-09-2010, 09:33 PM
man, remember how Nadal played in 2008. he was like driving a car and changing gears. his usual routine before big matches (like semis and finals at FO) was to play against Tony and some other coach, like he against two guys. and they'd got creamed I bet. I wish someone taped that.

habibko
02-09-2010, 09:42 PM
he has been repeatedly failing in the challenge to beat a top 10 player for a while now (save Tsonga in Paris), the real challenge is for him to get healthy and take big scalps over the top players again.

Federer is naturally the hardest to beat since he always needs to be at his very best to beat him.

swisht4u
02-09-2010, 09:43 PM
I went with Potro.
He can hit the ball off both wings with authority and even Nadal can't always get to these kind of shots.

Vida
02-09-2010, 10:07 PM
he has been repeatedly failing in the challenge to beat a top 10 player for a while now (save Tsonga in Paris), the real challenge is for him to get healthy and take big scalps over the top players again.

Federer is naturally the hardest to beat since he always needs to be at his very best to beat him.

would not say Nadal was always on his very best Fed lost against him. Roger held a lead and choked a lot of times against Nadal.

marcRD
02-09-2010, 10:17 PM
I just saw the Federer-Nadal match from 2008 and Nadal played even better than I remember and Federer did not play as bad as I thought, he was just desperate for not finding any answers. In a good part of the 2nd set Federer was playing some miraculous shots to hang in there with Nadal for atleast half a set, Nadal was absolutely magnificent in that tournament, I dont think I have ever seen anyone so dominant as Nadal in RG 2008.

Federer played better in the RG final 2008 than he did in the RG semifinal 2005 and was completely destroyed, whatever happens with Nadal from now on it should be remembered that Nadal was playing some of the best tennis the world has ever seen that summer 2008, comparable to Federer at his peak 2006.

Andi-M
02-09-2010, 10:21 PM
I think if Nadal is at full health he has zero challengers on clay, but if he's in the state he's been in recently I think all players in poll plus Davy and Soderling can challenge him on clay.

I doubt he would lose to anyone bar Fed or Potro at RG though.

habibko
02-09-2010, 10:22 PM
would not say Nadal was always on his very best Fed lost against him. Roger held a lead and choked a lot of times against Nadal.

alot of things happened in the distant past, but judging by their last meeting which incidentally was on clay, any less than Nadal's best will not cut it against Fed and Nadal knows that and always says it, add to that the fact that Fed is currently the best and hottest player on tour, he will be incredibly difficult to stop in RG, how he performs in the clay masters remains to be seen.

all other top 10 players have their chances against Nadal these days, but on clay it depends alot on how healthy and well Nadal is moving than other players, that's the case when we talk about one of the best ever on a particular surface.

GugaF1
02-09-2010, 10:24 PM
Nadal I am not sure, just too consistent when on. But Federer, am I the only one seeing that maybe be Bellucci, if he develops enough. May be too far ahead but:

Lefty, big forehand with heavy spin, Flat backhand and loves the clay. Reminds a lot of someone who gives a plate full to Federer on this surface also. Although I am not quite sure this would be the year. Still needs some work, but he is developing by miles and I can`t stop but see that he could be a serious threat sooner or later.

Matt01
02-09-2010, 10:41 PM
Nadal isnt going to be invincible anymore on clay. His peak is over and he will be more susceptible to losing. All things come to an end. There be a few guys who can take him out


God you're so annoying. How often do you want to post in this thread? :rolleyes:

abraxas21
02-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Nadal I am not sure, just too consistent when on. But Federer, am I the only one seeing that maybe be Bellucci, if he develops enough. May be too far ahead but:

Lefty, big forehand with heavy spin, Flat backhand and loves the clay. Reminds a lot of someone who gives a plate full to Federer on this surface also. Although I am not quite sure this would be the year. Still needs some work, but he is developing by miles and I can`t stop but see that he could be a serious threat sooner or later.

i like bellu and i think he might even break into the top ten next year but i don't see him getting anywhere past the QF (which would be an awesome result for him) in RG. Realistically speaking, he could aspire to a third or fourth round and if he gets a good draw, QF at most.

GugaF1
02-09-2010, 10:50 PM
I agree Abraxas about RG, he needs plenty of development to go there.

I am talking mainly about match ups. And I can`t help but think that he could be a pain for the likes of Federer on clay. And they could meet sooner than a QF.

Sophocles
02-09-2010, 10:51 PM
Nadal has had at least one loss every clay season & this looks unlikely to change from where we're sitting now. I could see any of Del Potro, Federer, Djokovic, Soderling, or Davydenko beating him, plus a number of others if Nadal has a shit day as he did against Ferrero in Rome that time. Murray doesn't quite have the firepower on this surface and Cilic probably isn't ready.

Goldenoldie
02-09-2010, 11:09 PM
Excluding Murray, but including Verdasco

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-10-2010, 04:30 AM
This is all under the spectrum if Nadal does indeed get back to top form by clay season.. The chances of that happening are pretty slim consdering his injury . Nadal has to be in top form or else he is going to go out to the flavor of the month flash in the pan such as SoderCrap last year

True, an unhealthy Nadal could lose to a loser like Soderclown again. That was a pathetic final, hopefully nobody like that makes a final again.

coonster14
02-10-2010, 05:00 AM
fed, nole and delpo are going to be the 3 main threats to rafa on clay this season.

looking forward to delpo/rafa match on clay and for nole to FINALLY beat rafa on clay.

coonster14
02-10-2010, 05:05 AM
True, an unhealthy Nadal could lose to a loser like Soderclown again. That was a pathetic final, hopefully nobody like that makes a final again.

completely agreed, soderling wiped the floor against rafa, davy and gonzo, then he just bowed down to his master in the final, so pathetic!!!

HarryMan
02-10-2010, 05:24 AM
Nadal is the best clay court player in this era, so it will more so depend on his form, than what the others have to offer. Of course that doesn't mean the competition won't be intense as Djokovic, Del Potro, Soderling, Davydenko and Murray are all capable of challenging and perhaps beating Nadal (I know many will point out to the straight set loss the last time Murray and Nadal played on clay, however, in that second set, Murray was playing as good as Nadal, and lost in that tiebreak).

The biggest threat for Nadal is of course Federer whether you like to admit it or not, because for anyone to win RG (or any slam for that matter), someone needs to beat Federer. And from the looks of it, Nadal is the only person who is capable of doing so consistently on clay (and sometimes on other surfaces). If he falters, Federer will beat him or will beat the player who beat Nadal.

born_on_clay
02-10-2010, 09:38 AM
Nole. Mark my words :)

Commander Data
02-10-2010, 09:47 AM
Pony Fed Davy Cilic

Jōris
02-10-2010, 10:03 AM
Del Potro, Federer, Djokovic.

Mosquito3
02-10-2010, 10:10 AM
In my opinion Del Potro, Federer and Djoko. But also Davidenko can do well on clay

buji
02-10-2010, 10:59 AM
IMO Del potro will giv gud challenge but that depends on Rafa's fitness and schedule.Hope he ll be back with a bang.
Davy will also be a btr opponent

gusavo
02-10-2010, 11:22 AM
If Federer wins RG i think he's 90% likely to win the grand slam... unlesws simon reed says he will win, in which case he'll probably lose in the US OPEN final lol
you can get about 8 times the money on that, so 8 times the money for a 90% chance, thats quite the profit! Youll be a billionare!

Tenn1sAdd1ct
02-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Davydenko of course if he can somehow keep himself healthy with his ultra aggressive game.

-Valhalla-
02-10-2010, 01:25 PM
In best-of-three leading into RG [Monte Carlo, Rome, Madrid], Rafa's biggest threats remain Fed and Nole. However, on the crushed red brick of Paris, a healthy Nadal can still make both these guys' cojones "shrink to a very small size" ... make no mistake about it.

I hope Uncle Toni & Co. use Indian Wells and Miami as mere conditioning tune-ups [or even skip altogether] so as to not aggravate Rafa's knees and give him the best possible chance on clay.

SerenaFederer
02-10-2010, 01:25 PM
wouldn't be surprised if it's fed or del p...particularly del p since all of what rafa does to break down other players falls right into del p's strengths, particularly the high kicker to the righty's bh (a mode which seems to come so automatic to rafa that he can't get out of it even when it's not working )

Johnny Groove
02-10-2010, 01:45 PM
His lower body, obviously.

Start da Game
02-10-2010, 06:20 PM
i have a feeling that djokovic and del potro can possibly hand him one defeat each in the masters events before the french........at the french, if he is fit, no one is really troubling him.......

MrChopin
02-10-2010, 06:29 PM
i have a feeling that djokovic and del potro can possibly hand him one defeat each in the masters events before the french........at the french, if he is fit, no one is really troubling him.......

What is your feeling about Federer, the ruling King of Clay?

DrJules
02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
What is your feeling about Federer, the ruling King of Clay?

Are you waving a red flag at a bull.

Start da Game
02-10-2010, 07:30 PM
What is your feeling about Federer, the ruling King of Clay?

a zero threat........

Dyraise
02-10-2010, 09:39 PM
Federer?? :spit::haha:

Djokovic and Davydenko. Then Del Potro (if he is fit) and Scot.

DUN I LOVE
02-10-2010, 10:14 PM
Federer, Djoković, Del Potro, Davydenko.

Commander Data
02-10-2010, 10:30 PM
Pansy Federina probably gonna get a tripple bagel trashing. Rafa s the real undisputed GOAT. Numbers do not lie 13:7
Remember 2008? Fed will be reduced to tears again while Sparta rules.

CYGS in the making for Nadal!

..oh, wait a sec.

Commander Data
02-10-2010, 10:32 PM
a zero threat........

I still believe Nadal can bounce back if the knees recover and he can avoid Söderking in the draw.

Persimmon
02-11-2010, 12:02 AM
His knees.

KarlyM
02-11-2010, 12:04 AM
Other: his knees. :help:

Roamed
02-11-2010, 12:33 AM
Federer - Potentially
Djokovic - Probably
Del Potro - Possibly
Murray - No chance

luie
02-11-2010, 12:38 AM
Soderking.

MalwareDie
02-11-2010, 12:51 AM
Davydenko can eat Mugboar in best of 3 matches.

siddy
02-11-2010, 05:11 AM
a zero threat........

RRRRIGHT! That shows me how objective you are.

The only guy who's beaten Rafa on clay in finals, TWICE, is a zero threat. :rolleyes:

Art&Soul
02-11-2010, 06:28 AM
Soderking.

Yep Soderking will give Nadull no chance :yeah:

Matt01
02-12-2010, 01:03 AM
Federer - Potentially
Djokovic - Probably
Del Potro - Possibly
Murray - No chance


I slightly disagree:

Federer - Unlikely
Djokovic - Possibly
Del Potro - Potentially
Murray - No chance
Söderling - Possibly if Nadal is injured :p

victory1
02-12-2010, 03:36 AM
I slightly disagree:

Federer - Unlikely
Djokovic - Possibly
Del Potro - Potentially
Murray - No chance
Söderling - Possibly if Nadal is injured :p


Tell 1 clay match that Djokovic has beat Nadal in over the last 3 years?;) Don't bother looking, the answer is 0!:p

adam10
02-12-2010, 06:03 AM
juan,if he's healthy.

But I hope Nole can beat Rafa once on clay in a final

bad gambler
02-12-2010, 06:22 AM
Federer

EasyVoice
02-12-2010, 12:33 PM
Even if Rafa is healthy by the time the clay season starts, his confidence won't be as high as the last few years. Having said that, Rafa will try hard to prove himself and that he is still the Clay King.
To do well Rafa needs to:
1. Win at least 1 tour before the clay starts beating one or more of the top guys on the way for his confidence sake.
2. Skip Barcelona and avoid Madrid regardless of the pressure from the tournaments directors and the media.

Others who can really challenge him on clay (on this order)
1. Federer, will definitely try to prove that Madrid/Roland Garros was no pure luck but rightfully deserved.
2. Djokovic, came very close last year on two occasions, since then he defeated Rafa 3 times in a row.
3. Del Potro, is an excellent player who has the power and is tall enough to trouble Nadal.
4. Davydenko, gave Rafa a fright on Rome 2007, he defeated Rafa the last 3 times they played so he'll be confident.
5. Murray, his clay game is still developing, he might be able to take a set from Rafa on clay but no more

I am a huge Federer fan but I really hope the Rafa will be 100% for the clay season to make it more interesting and I really believe that tennis fans might be for a treat this season.

tennizen
02-12-2010, 01:46 PM
Del Potro in terms of match up and if healthy. Also Federer.

Byrd
02-12-2010, 01:53 PM
If, and this is a big if, Nalbandian can play himself into some form and runs into Nadull, it will be interesting match to watch.

Commander Data
02-12-2010, 02:33 PM
If, and this is a big if, Nalbandian can play himself into some form and runs into Nadull, it will be interesting match to watch.

Chances of Nalbandian walking past Burger King is bigger then him getting in form.
-> The man is done.

abraxas21
02-12-2010, 02:45 PM
Chances of Nalbandian walking past Burger King is bigger then him getting in form.
-> The man is done.

Methinks Nalby still has some bullets left in the gun... The man will be back.

Byrd
02-12-2010, 02:48 PM
Chances of Nalbandian walking past Burger King is bigger then him getting in form.
-> The man is done.

Notice the big if......

marcRD
02-12-2010, 02:55 PM
Chances of Nalbandian walking past Burger King is bigger then him getting in form.
-> The man is done.

I cant really blame Nalbandian, Argentina has the best meat in the world. I think I put on some 8 kilos when I was there eating churrasco every 2 days.

rocketassist
02-12-2010, 03:03 PM
No-one apart from Soderling if he meets him.

Djokovic, Del Potro and Murray (despite his clay weakness matches up well against him) are all capable of taking sets and running him close in a best of 3 though.

Matt01
02-12-2010, 05:30 PM
Tell 1 clay match that Djokovic has beat Nadal in over the last 3 years?;) Don't bother looking, the answer is 0!:p


That's why I said "possibly" :p
Djokivic has the game to threaten Nadal on clay but Nadal is usually and probably too strong.

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 06:30 PM
Tell 1 clay match that Djokovic has beat Nadal in over the last 3 years?;) Don't bother looking, the answer is 0!:p

he beat nadal for federer in madrid, fed constructed his house over someone's basement there in madrid 09.......

Arkulari
02-14-2010, 07:33 PM
same as Nando did for Roger in the AO 09 ;)

oh wait...

DrJules
02-14-2010, 07:36 PM
he beat nadal for federer in madrid, fed constructed his house over someone's basement there in madrid 09.......

If a 3 set match is physically going to make him incapable of winning a best of 3 sets match the next day how will he ever win the US Open which requires 2 best of 5 set matches on successive days.

luie
02-14-2010, 07:45 PM
he beat nadal for federer in madrid, fed constructed his house over someone's basement there in madrid 09.......
Translation nadull is a moonballer with no serve who CANNOT finish matches fast enough to be ready for the next match.:sad: What this means his problems will never go away,its DIRECTLY related to his style.

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 07:47 PM
same as Nando did for Roger in the AO 09 ;)

oh wait...

a day off, makes a lot of difference........when did you forget that rafa lost 6-1, 6-0 to youzhny after the marathon semis against moya? by that shall we conclude that youzhny did a better job than fed losing just one game?

some of you fed lovers are amazing, reluctant to admit even something which is blatantly obvious........

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 07:47 PM
If a 3 set match is physically going to make him incapable of winning a best of 3 sets match the next day how will he ever win the US Open which requires 2 best of 5 set matches on successive days.

did your player ever play for 4 hours in a 3 set match and then went onto win a tennis match the next day?

DrJules
02-14-2010, 07:49 PM
did your player ever play for 4 hours in a 3 set match and then went onto win a tennis match the next day?

The match lasted 4 hours because both players like to take their time serving and between points.

Arkulari
02-14-2010, 07:50 PM
a day off, makes a lot of difference........when did you forget that rafa lost 6-1, 6-0 to youzhny after the marathon semis against moya? by that shall we conclude that youzhny did a better job than fed losing just one game?

some of you fed lovers are amazing, reluctant to admit even something which is blatantly obvious........

it was Rafa's fault in a way that he couldn't finish his match faster :shrug:

and I'm almost 100% sure that Rafa would have beaten ANYONE but Roger in the final the next day, so kudos to the Swiss for not choking :p

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 07:50 PM
djokovic did the job for fed by draining nadal out completely, besides nadal was coming from the victories of montecarlo, barcelona, rome fully spent in 3 straight weeks........anyone who denies it are either just pure haters or plain fed lovers........it also shows their desperation to list something down into fed's account against nadal on clay.......

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 07:51 PM
it was Rafa's fault in a way that he couldn't finish his match faster :shrug:

and I'm almost 100% sure that Rafa would have beaten ANYONE but Roger in the final the next day, so kudos to the Swiss for not choking :p

whether it is his fault or his uncle's fault is not the point here........

Arkulari
02-14-2010, 07:53 PM
but the second part IS the point ;)

or do you think Rafa would have lost to Pico or Mosquito even injured and tired after the Nole match? :p

so kudos to Roger for taking it, he has not taken advantage of bad situations in their encounters in the past and there he did ;)

Start da Game
02-14-2010, 08:02 PM
but the second part IS the point ;)

or do you think Rafa would have lost to Pico or Mosquito even injured and tired after the Nole match? :p

so kudos to Roger for taking it, he has not taken advantage of bad situations in their encounters in the past and there he did ;)

yes, he would definitely have lost to housefly(he has filled in some now), rome 08 he beat a <100% nadal(blisters).......anyone can lose when they are running on nothing........

and of course, when did fed miss opportunities like that? ;) he will take it blissfully.......

barbadosan
02-14-2010, 08:17 PM
The match lasted 4 hours because both players like to take their time serving and between points.

YouTube - Nadal vs Djokovic Epic Match: Just the actual tennis! 1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nnrsJ1PsE

"The match took 4 hours to play, but was only 40 something minutes of tennis. ... Nadal vs Djokovic MS Madrid 2009 SF Added to. Quicklist10:58 ... What a Djokovic/ Nadal match looks like without the time wasting."

luie
02-14-2010, 08:29 PM
YouTube - Nadal vs Djokovic Epic Match: Just the actual tennis! 1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nnrsJ1PsE

"The match took 4 hours to play, but was only 40 something minutes of tennis. ... Nadal vs Djokovic MS Madrid 2009 SF Added to. Quicklist10:58 ... What a Djokovic/ Nadal match looks like without the time wasting."
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

phelbyn
02-14-2010, 08:42 PM
Himself. If Rafa is healthy he is almost unbeateable on clay.

I'm glad someone said this: Nadal's body is his biggest opponent. I think many of the top 5 have his number this season. The guy has not been himself for about 8 months now. I think he'll be hard pressed to win a tournament this season.

Persimmon
02-14-2010, 08:59 PM
or do you think Rafa would have lost to Pico or Mosquito even injured and tired after the Nole match?


Actually, Rafa lost to Mosquito at Rome 2008, where Rafa was undefeated:eek: because he had nasty blisters. Just like 2 weeks before Rafa had beaten Mosquito at Monte Carlo 2008 very easily. Hmmm. Is this deja vu with the Soderling debacle or what?:speakles: :o Just replace Monte Carlo 2008 with Rome 2009 and Rome 2008 with RG 2009...

lessthanjake
02-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Here's my answer:


- If Rafa is in relatively bad form (an off day, injury, etc): A lot of top players can beat him on clay, as Soderling showed, though these players would still need to play quite well to do so.
- If Rafa is in normal form: I think Federer, Djokovic, and Del Potro are the only players who have the game to beat Nadal on clay if he is playing normally.
- If Rafa is in his top form: No one is going to beat him on clay.

Noleta
02-14-2010, 09:38 PM
Rafa
Nole
Fed
Juan

Matt01
02-14-2010, 10:36 PM
YouTube - Nadal vs Djokovic Epic Match: Just the actual tennis! 1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nnrsJ1PsE

"The match took 4 hours to play, but was only 40 something minutes of tennis. ... Nadal vs Djokovic MS Madrid 2009 SF Added to. Quicklist10:58 ... What a Djokovic/ Nadal match looks like without the time wasting."


Do you know anything about tennis? The actual netto time of played tennis in a tennis match is always very minor.

lessthanjake
02-14-2010, 11:27 PM
Do you know anything about tennis? The actual netto time of played tennis in a tennis match is always very minor.

True, but Nadal and Djokovic both waste more time than most other players.

oranges
02-14-2010, 11:37 PM
Do you know anything about tennis? The actual netto time of played tennis in a tennis match is always very minor.

Do you watch either of the two? They certainly take their time

serveandvolley80
02-15-2010, 01:00 AM
Nadal's only opposition on clay will be his knees, if they hold up hes got a title, maybe a tougher battle at it this year, but hes still the best on the surface, nobody comes close.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 02:50 AM
YouTube - Nadal vs Djokovic Epic Match: Just the actual tennis! 1/5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nnrsJ1PsE

"The match took 4 hours to play, but was only 40 something minutes of tennis. ... Nadal vs Djokovic MS Madrid 2009 SF Added to. Quicklist10:58 ... What a Djokovic/ Nadal match looks like without the time wasting."

are you some real kiddo or what? do you even remember their last clay meeting before that madrid final........check my sig if you forgot by any chance.......

the guy was coming from 3 straight victories in 3 weeks, runs into another semifinal and plays a 4 hour semifinal against undoubtedly the second best clay courter until then that season........how the hell do you expect him to recharge and repeat his performance under 24 hours? youzhny chennai 6-1, 6-0, remember that? looks like youzhny did a better job than fed, no? heights!!!

your player never in his life won 3 tournaments in 3 weeks, let alone running into another semifinal and playing in a 4 hour marathon........talk to me when he does that........

some of you blind fed lovers are amazing beyond belief........the extent to which nadal terrified you all and made you his haters, i am just loving it........

Andresito
02-15-2010, 02:56 AM
Del Potro.

Big hitters are hurting Nadal lately, and Del Potro is not only one of them, but he knows how to play in clay (like any other argentinian or spaniard)

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 03:09 AM
Del Potro.

Big hitters are hurting Nadal lately, and Del Potro is not only one of them, but he knows how to play in clay (like any other argentinian or spaniard)

that is one player who could give nadal problems in 3 set tennis........djokovic as well if he is physically well.......other than those 2, i don't see anyone else troubling him........

kengyin
02-15-2010, 03:12 AM
federer

Tenez2010
02-15-2010, 03:20 AM
Don't like the poll. cant choose Start da game or RFK:cool:

paseo
02-15-2010, 04:06 AM
are you some real kiddo or what? do you even remember their last clay meeting before that madrid final........check my sig if you forgot by any chance.......

the guy was coming from 3 straight victories in 3 weeks, runs into another semifinal and plays a 4 hour semifinal against undoubtedly the second best clay courter until then that season........how the hell do you expect him to recharge and repeat his performance under 24 hours? youzhny chennai 6-1, 6-0, remember that? looks like youzhny did a better job than fed, no? heights!!!

your player never in his life won 3 tournaments in 3 weeks, let alone running into another semifinal and playing in a 4 hour marathon........talk to me when he does that........

some of you blind fed lovers are amazing beyond belief........the extent to which nadal terrified you all and made you his haters, i am just loving it........

Start da Game, why can't you just admit that Nadal & Djokovic (especially Nadal) take longer time between points than most players on tour. And sometimes they even took longer than the rules allowed them to. And it doesn't matter if he is a blind Fed lover, heck , you're a blind Nadal lover yourself. The point is that his post is actually valid.

On Topic : Nadal is supreme on clay. If he's on top form, he'll destroy whoever opponent he faces.

lessthanjake
02-15-2010, 10:07 AM
This is all under the spectrum if Nadal does indeed get back to top form by clay season.. The chances of that happening are pretty slim consdering his injury . Nadal has to be in top form or else he is going to go out to the flavor of the month flash in the pan such as SoderCrap last year

Soderling backed up his RG performance well enough last year that you are totally offbase to call him SoderCrap.

He got through his Wimbledon draw and lost to Federer, despite playing quite well. He got through his US Open draw and lost to Federer in 4 sets. He was 1st in his round robin group in the World Tour Finals, beating Nadal and Djokovic, and only being knocked out in the semis by Del Potro in a tiebreak final set. He won Bstaad. He put in a respectable quarterfinal showing in the Shanghai Masters, beating Tsonga in the tournament. He also put in another solid showing in at the Paris Masters, losing to Djokovic in a close match, after having beaten a top form Davydenko in the previous round. The only thing he crashed out of last year was Cinncinati, but he lost to Hewitt, which isnt really anything to be ashamed of. And now he won Rotterdam, beating Davydenko along the way.

So since Roland Garros, Soderling has beaten Nadal, Djokovic, Tsonga, and Davydenko two times. He also won a 250 and 500 tournament, and lost in two slams to Federer (nothing to be ashamed of). The only thing that was unimpressive was this year's Australian Open, but everyone has bad tournaments sometimes.

barbadosan
02-15-2010, 10:31 AM
Sorry to spoil it for StartdaGame and Matt01, but (as indicated by the quotes), that was a quote from an article on the web. There was also another one which I can't find, that actually broke down the difference between legit time taken and the rest.. worked out if I remember correctly to about 1 3/4 hours of the total time being wasted time.

Kolya
02-15-2010, 11:52 AM
Florian Mayer.

siddy
02-15-2010, 12:01 PM
your player never in his life won 3 tournaments in 3 weeks, let alone running into another semifinal and playing in a 4 hour marathon........talk to me when he does that........

It's not Roger's fault if he manages to finish off his matches much faster than Nadal. He doesn't need to stretch a 2 hr match into a 4 hr match.

some of you blind fed lovers are amazing beyond belief........the extent to which nadal terrified you all and made you his haters, i am just loving it........

I know it's hard for you to believe, but most Roger fans do not care about Nadal anymore. Roger's achievements at this point dwarf any loss that he faced against Nadal. And quite contrary to what you say, Nadal fans are the bitter ones right about now: I can understand how it feels when your favorite player was billed to be even BETTER THAN THE GOAT! and win the calendar slam but ended up self-destructing in the process. The fact that you have a TWO-YEAR OLD scoreline in your signature indicates this well and is proof enough that for Nadal fans, it's hard to define any of Nadal's achievements without bring Federer into the picture.

Going by your recent posts and rants (the SAME post about 1000 times in a million threads), it is clear who the "blind" lover is. It's hilarious that you keep mentioning Djokovic and Del Potro as legitimate opponents and not Federer, who is the only player to have beaten Nadal twice in clay finals.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 12:09 PM
did you ever play one full set of tennis, let alone a match? if you seriously believe that the 4 hour semifinal had nothing to do with fed's victory, go watch some beach volleyball because you don't know what you are watching........

it's not for nothing that i have that scoreline in my sig.......it is historically by far the most significant and remarkable humiliation ever on a tennis court.......a world no.1 made to look like a school kid in a slam final in front of 19 past champions watching it........

siddy
02-15-2010, 12:22 PM
did you ever play one full set of tennis, let alone a match? if you seriously believe that the 4 hour semifinal had nothing to do with fed's victory, go watch some beach volleyball because you don't know what you are watching........


IT DOESN'T MATTER! There are several reasons for a player to lose -- what if I were to say that all of Federer's losses to Nadal in 2008- 2009 mean nothing because of the Mono after-effects. See how much fun it is to come up with lame excuses? The only simple truth is and the only one that matters is: The better player ON THAT DAY won, Roger's wins against Rafa are as legitimate as Rafa's wins against Roger. If you don't see that, then you're a tard.

Oh yeah, as pointed out already (and ignored by you), that match was STRETCHED to 4 hours -- actual play time was much less than that figure thanks to Nadal and Djokovic's skills in wasting time on court.

it's not for nothing that i have that scoreline in my sig.......it is historically by far the most significant and remarkable humiliation ever on a tennis court.......a world no.1 made to look like a school kid in a slam final in front of 19 past champions watching it........

That match is now a mere footnote in Roger's career and indicate the enormity of his achievements. Was it a tough loss? Yeah. But it is more likely that it motivated him more than it affected him negatively (his results since then prove this).

oranges
02-15-2010, 12:23 PM
Start da Game, out of curiosity, is there any comparable beatdown Nadal has suffered, and there's quite a few mind you, that you'd equally argue he was schooled or was it all injury/tiredness, someone else did the job before, the other one was lucky enough to have a subpar opponent, add whatever other excuse one can come up with, divorces and the like. Was there a single one where he was throughly outplayed plain and simple? BTW, it's more or less rhetorical, I know you'd try to worm out of it and I enjoy it.

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 12:24 PM
did you ever play one full set of tennis, let alone a match? if you seriously believe that the 4 hour semifinal had nothing to do with fed's victory, go watch some beach volleyball because you don't know what you are watching........

it's not for nothing that i have that scoreline in my sig.......it is historically by far the most significant and remarkable humiliation ever on a tennis court.......a world no.1 made to look like a school kid in a slam final in front of 19 past champions watching it........

Champions do not retire from Slams even though they are not 100%

(6 : 3) (7 : 6) (3 : 0) ret.

warm regrads...

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 12:26 PM
it's not for nothing that i have that scoreline in my sig.......it is historically by far the most significant and remarkable humiliation ever on a tennis court.......a world no.1 made to look like a school kid in a slam final in front of 19 past champions watching it........

yup, i supposse it would have been better for him to retire somewhere in the middle of the match. that's what a "real spartan" would do, no?

Sophocles
02-15-2010, 12:30 PM
it is historically by far the most significant and remarkable humiliation ever on a tennis court.......a world no.1 made to look like a school kid in a slam final in front of 19 past champions watching it........

It's of no greater significance than Borg's beatdowns of Vilas & Gerulaitis. Everybody already knew Nadal was a better clay-court player who in any case matched up well against Fed, particularly on clay. They also knew Nadal had been in superb form and Federer pants. The likely winner was never in doubt. The scoreline was more one-sided than expected, but it was obvious after the semis, when Djokovic stretched himself to the limit to get to a tie-breaker, that Fed would do extremely well to win a set.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 12:34 PM
IT DOESN'T MATTER! There are several reasons for a player to lose -- what if I were to say that all of Federer's losses to Nadal in 2008- 2009 mean nothing because of the Mono after-effects. See how much fun it is to come up with lame excuses? The only simple truth is and the only one that matters is: The better player ON THAT DAY won, Roger's wins against Rafa are as legitimate as Rafa's wins against Roger. If you don't see that, then you're a tard.

Oh yeah, as pointed out already (and ignored by you), that match was STRETCHED to 4 hours -- actual play time was much less than that figure thanks to Nadal and Djokovic's skills in wasting time on court.



That match is now a mere footnote in Roger's career and indicate the enormity of his achievements. Was it a tough loss? Yeah. But it is more likely that it motivated him more than it affected him negatively (his results since then prove this).

you are funny beyond what i thought.......nadal crushed federer on clay numerous times and it was blatantly obvious to even an idiot that day how spent nadal looked........heck even youzhny handed rafa a 6-1, 6-0 defeat after that marathon chennai semis........

the guy was coming from a 3 week work out with 3 straight victories and a 4 hour marathon against djokovic........how much it takes out of a player physically and mentally to play nonstop.......

i suggest you take up beach volleyball.......

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 12:37 PM
Start da Game, out of curiosity, is there any comparable beatdown Nadal has suffered, and there's quite a few mind you, that you'd equally argue he was schooled or was it all injury/tiredness, someone else did the job before, the other one was lucky enough to have a subpar opponent, add whatever other excuse one can come up with, divorces and the like. Was there a single one where he was throughly outplayed plain and simple? BTW, it's more or less rhetorical, I know you'd try to worm out of it and I enjoy it.

after he peaked - outplayed by djokovic at cincinnatti 08, edged out by simon at madrid 08 and del potro at miami 09........

oranges
02-15-2010, 12:40 PM
after he peaked - outplayed by djokovic at cincinnatti 08, edged out by simon at madrid 08 and del potro at miami 09........

:worship: There are some at least when he was outplayed, though Colonel schooling him is obviously down to spending an eternity to beat old man Moya the day before

siddy
02-15-2010, 12:43 PM
you are funny beyond what i thought.......nadal crushed federer on clay numerous times and it was blatantly obvious to even an idiot that day how spent nadal looked........heck even youzhny handed rafa a 6-1, 6-0 defeat after that marathon chennai semis........

the guy was coming from a 3 week work out with 3 straight victories and a 4 hour marathon against djokovic........how much it takes out of a player physically and mentally to play nonstop.......

i suggest you take up beach volleyball.......

You have done nothing in this post but basically repeat everything you said in your earlier 1000 posts. I'm convinced that you are incapable of any sound discussion, so there's really no point. Here's a hint -- if people aren't convinced by the same argument for the 99th time, they won't be for the 100th time -- unless you can come up with something new to support your case. I shouldn't have bothered.

The Youzhny comment is beyond stupid when it's well known that Youzhny has beaten Nadal four times in their 11 meetings -- meaning he' troubled Nadal often enough.

Let's establish for once and for all that Rafael Nadal will NEVER lose in his life time when he's 100% healthy. I know it's going to be tough to come up with that excuse over and over again (apparently not for you) in the coming few months and years so all the best!

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 12:43 PM
...heck even youzhny handed rafa a 6-1, 6-0 defeat after that marathon chennai semis........



That is not exactly an argument Pro-Nadal.

When I think of it, it is actually quite a good argument against your sig. Why is Nadal allowed to get murdered on court when tired but Federer is not?

To pick on your argument about playing tired: Have you ever played professional tennis while recovering from Mono? Could it be that Federer in the process of recovering from Mono was not his normal self just like Nadal was not his normal self in that 6:1 6:0 spanking?

Either way, one allows excuses or one just looks at the results. In the later case Nadal has suffered considerably more humilating losses then Federer.

paseo
02-15-2010, 12:43 PM
..go watch some beach volleyball because you don't know what you are watching........

i suggest you take up beach volleyball.......

what's up with beach volleyball? :D

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 12:51 PM
You have done nothing in this post but basically repeat everything you said in your earlier 1000 posts. I'm convinced that you are incapable of any sound discussion, so there's really no point. Here's a hint -- if people aren't convinced by the same argument for the 99th time, they won't be for the 100th time -- unless you can come up with something new to support your case. I shouldn't have bothered.

The Youzhny comment is beyond stupid when it's well known that Youzhny has beaten Nadal four times in their 11 meetings -- meaning he' troubled Nadal often enough.

Let's establish for once and for all that Rafael Nadal will NEVER lose in his life time when he's 100% healthy. I know it's going to be tough to come up with that excuse over and over again (apparently not for you) in the coming few months and years so all the best!

you are blinded by the love of your player, hence i have to repeat the same old stuff 100 times, like a master repeating rhymes to kindergarten kids........

siddy
02-15-2010, 12:52 PM
what's up with beach volleyball? :D

It's his attempt at (un)funny sarcasm :D

siddy
02-15-2010, 12:56 PM
you are blinded by the love of your player, hence i have to repeat the same old stuff 100 times, like a master repeating rhymes to kindergarten kids........

Man, that was almost as humiliating as that Federer loss. What are you, like 12? I will ignore your posts now so that others can enjoy a healthy discussion with you... oh, wait :rolleyes:

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 01:03 PM
Start_da_Fail is turning more and more into an unstoppable force. I'm afraid not even Rafa's knees's total collapse will deliver us from him.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Start_da_Fail is turning more and more into an unstoppable force. I'm afraid not even Rafa's knees's total collapse will deliver us from him.

keep it up clown, that's the way to go.......when you don't have stuff to interrupt and out-reason someone, insult them........well done.......

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 01:11 PM
keep it up clown, that's the way to go.......when you don't have stuff to interrupt and out-reason someone, insult them........well done.......

irony lost in translation...

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 01:12 PM
the blindness of some of the folks here is kissing new heights........not even able to see something as blatantly and as blazingly obvious as the madrid 09 final in which one player was running on fumes and the other one took plain advatnage of it to his credit........it goes to show how much they worry about that head to head and still continue being hypocrites, suggesting that they don't care about it.......truly amazing, only possible at MTF........no other place........

Sophocles
02-15-2010, 01:15 PM
the blindness of some of the folks here is kissing new heights........not even able to see something as blatantly and as blazingly obvious as the madrid 09 final in which one player was running on fumes and the other one took plain advatnage of it to his credit........it goes to show how much they worry about that head to head and still continue being hypocrites, suggesting that they don't care about it.......truly amazing, only possible at MTF........no other place........

You're the one who's desperate to discredit every single one of Federer's victories over Nadal. Relax, he's 13-7 ahead, and his edge in that should outlast his knees.

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 01:18 PM
the blindness of some of the folks here is kissing new heights........not even able to see something as blatantly and as blazingly obvious as the madrid 09 final in which one player was running on fumes and the other one took plain advatnage of it to his credit........it goes to show how much they worry about that head to head and still continue being hypocrites, suggesting that they don't care about it.......truly amazing, only possible at MTF........no other place........

you know, i saw that match and i actually thought to myself that rafa was clearly not at his best. but what is it there to say? i have already said in this forum -as most people have- that rafa is a better claycourter than roger and furthermore: rafa is a terrible matchup for Federer.
however, your constant need to bash nadal's biggest rival is what makes the whole discussion rather funny and prompts many people (of which i'm included some times, i'm afraid) to make fun of what you say.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 01:22 PM
You're the one who's desperate to discredit every single one of Federer's victories over Nadal. Relax, he's 13-7 ahead, and his edge in that should outlast his knees.

look i am not discrediting anyone here, i am giving credit where it's due(to djokovic).......fed's had victories over rafa, like his wimbledon victories and some of his hardcourt victories, i am not saying nadal wouldn't lose a tennis match if he is fit........

yesterday arkulari made a fair post saying nadal was tired and fed took an advantage of it.......fair, credit to him for that....... but to just blindly ignore the condition in which nadal entered that madrid final and thinking that fed beat him fair and square is just pathetic, tardism taken to new level.......it only reflects their desperation and their lack of faith in their hero because reading some of their posts i am not sure if they really believe that fed can take it to nadal on clay.......

Trojan Tragedies
02-15-2010, 01:39 PM
The real final in Madrid 2009 was Djokovic - Nadal, I mean, it was not just a long match, it was the longest 3 setter in the history of the sport. It was the same thing as in Chennai 2008, nothing new really.

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 01:41 PM
Fed can't take it to Nadal on clay, if the later is in peak shape. What else do you want to hear?

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 01:43 PM
The real final in Madrid 2009 was Djokovic - Nadal, I mean, it was not just a long match, it was the longest 3 setter in the history of the sport. It was the same thing as in Chennai 2008, nothing new really.

The winner of the "real" final not winning the tournament is fallacious logic at a new height.

congrats!

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 01:48 PM
The winner of the "real" final not winning the tournament is fallacious logic at a new height.

congrats!

exactly.... if you ask me i'd agree with the rafatards that rafa wasn't at his best in the final but to assert that the 'real final' was a 'semifinal' in which the winner of it didn't win the title is just mind blowing.

fact of the matter is that nadal lost the final to fed. why? because fed played better... simple as that. but nadal is still 13-7 and 9-2 on clay. I don't know why they have to be so stressed out about it.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 01:53 PM
so only 28 people out of 159 think that del potro is a threat to rafa? i am somewhat surprised with that result........del potro plays fearless tennis and that's exactly what you have to do against rafa or fed........moreover he has the tools to beat either player........

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 01:55 PM
rafa wasn't at his best in the final

Of course he was not. Now what do the Rafatrads want us to do? are we going tru history scaning thru all tennis matches and disregard all results where one of the two players was not at his best?

Logically a player is at his best in exactly one tennis match in his life.

Stroke of genious.

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 02:02 PM
so only 28 people out of 159 think that del potro is a threat to rafa? i am somewhat surprised with that result........del potro plays fearless tennis and that's exactly what you have to do against rafa or fed........moreover he has the tools to beat either player........

my ranking would be:

1- pony boy
2- kolya (except in RG)
3- federer
4- djokovic
5- soderking
6- murray

I don't see djokovic causing much damage in this clay court season for some reason.

Start da Game
02-15-2010, 02:15 PM
my ranking would be:

1- pony boy
2- kolya (except in RG)
3- federer
4- djokovic
5- soderking
6- murray

I don't see djokovic causing much damage in this clay court season for some reason.

taking into account what's been happening to djokovic lately, i.e., his stamina issues and breathing problems, i agree that djokovic may not be a force this clay season but i wish i am wrong.......it's a pity to see such a talented baseliner struggle with physical issues........

paseo
02-15-2010, 02:18 PM
I think Djokovic has mental issues. He looks unmotivated. If he keeps that up, I don't see him doing damage anywhere.

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 02:44 PM
well, djokovic has some ups and downs these days...

i remember he wasn't doing that well during last year's second half but then suddenly he grabbed basel beating Fed in the final and then won Paris Bercy so who knows...

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 03:06 PM
Fed can't take it to Nadal on clay, if the later is in peak shape. What else do you want to hear?

How close was Fed to beating top Nadal in Rom?

...meh, never mind...

Rafa#Uno:-)
02-15-2010, 03:06 PM
"Lingan" robin can make it again

Rafa#Uno:-)
02-15-2010, 03:09 PM
I think Djokovic has mental issues. He looks unmotivated. If he keeps that up, I don't see him doing damage anywhere.

well novak has problems not just mentally
his serve moment has changed to the worse and his physical state is proven not 100 % especially for
a five setter
he stays on all four legs like a dog if you get him running a little bit:p

jcempire
02-15-2010, 03:29 PM
Federer

zeleni
02-15-2010, 04:17 PM
Djokovic will be.

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 04:28 PM
Djokovic will be.

Makes sense, Djokovic has beaten clay Nadal in the past and we have every reason to believe that he is in even better form this year.

Everko
02-15-2010, 04:32 PM
If by opponent you mean whipping boy, then Federer.

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 04:36 PM
If by opponent you mean whipping boy, then Federer.

Nostradamus in da house! Your predicitions have proven themselfs true time after time.

Everko
02-15-2010, 04:38 PM
Nostradamus in da house! Your predicitions have proven themselfs true time after time.

I don't need predictions for that. Just try and go into your small mind for a second and remember the events of 2005,2006,2007,2008 on clay

Commander Data
02-15-2010, 04:42 PM
I don't need predictions for that. Just try and go into your small mind for a second and remember the events of 2005,2006,2007,2008 on clay

If I counted correctly you forgot a year. I think it's 2009. My small mind tells me that 2009 is closest to 2010 and therefore would provide the most plausible basis to deduce the upcoming clay season.

Persimmon
02-15-2010, 04:44 PM
The bottom line is Nadal's biggest threat will be his knees. And Roger....

Everko
02-15-2010, 04:45 PM
The bottom line is Nadal's biggest threat will be his kneesCorrect. And Roger NO....

get it?

Persimmon
02-15-2010, 04:49 PM
get it?

Well. Rafa is awesome on clay so if he is healthy he will be the favorite going into any clay tournament. But as fas as biggest threat other than his health will be that guy that has won 16 slams and is always a threat at all the slams.

MacTheKnife
02-15-2010, 04:49 PM
The poll has it right, Federer.

Arkulari
02-15-2010, 05:05 PM
Rafa is what? 22-2 in clay against the top 10?

who has defeated him twice in the surface? :scratch:

....

oh wait...

Everko
02-15-2010, 05:06 PM
Rafa is what? 22-2 in clay against the top 10?

who has defeated him twice in the surface? :scratch:

....

oh wait...

2 times out of how many? 6-1 6-3 6-0

king_roger
02-15-2010, 05:13 PM
after he peaked - outplayed by djokovic at cincinnatti 08, edged out by simon at madrid 08 and del potro at miami 09........

What about Monfils in Doha 09 and Murray US Open 08?

Arkulari
02-15-2010, 05:24 PM
2 times out of how many? 6-1 6-3 6-0

as usual, you're missing the point entirely, so far the rest of the top 10 haven't been able to defeat him ONCE much less TWICE for whatever reasons there are ;)

abraxas21
02-15-2010, 06:33 PM
as usual, you're missing the point entirely, so far the rest of the top 10 haven't been able to defeat him ONCE much less TWICE for whatever reasons there are ;)

soderling got him in RG :)

I think Kolya has a better shot than Fed of beating Nadal on clay because:

1- He's a better matchup for Nadal. Unlike Fed, His game consists of taking the ball early so Nadal's heavy topspin doesn't affect him much. Plus, he's the only top 10 with a positive h2h vs Rafa.

2- Numbers-wise, clay is actually Kolya's best surface.

3- Despite the fact of having lost the 2 encounters vs Nadal on clay, he's played fairly well. In the semis of Rome 2007 he almost beat him (but in Monaco 2008 Nadal didn't have many problems).

Also, Del Potro because:

1- Seems to match up well with Rafa. His topspin shots don't hurt him much.

2- Nadal beat him in the only match they have had on clay. However it was in RG 2007 when Pony's game wasn't as developed as it is now.

3- He's a pretty good clay courter. He almost beat Fed in last year's RG semis.

Start da Game
02-17-2010, 09:49 AM
well novak has problems not just mentally
his serve moment has changed to the worse and his physical state is proven not 100 % especially for
a five setter
he stays on all four legs like a dog if you get him running a little bit:p

dip in form, loss of confidence, uncertainty, impatience and finally frustration.......all those really sprung from his physical problems........it's all a chain........by the start of 2009, his breathing problems increased and he started becoming weak physically........

when you know that you cannot go for 5 long sets when the situation demands, you are under tremendous pressure to finish off matches as soon as possible and preferably in straight sets........but against the top 5 or even top 10 players in the world, it's not an easy thing to do........his lack of confidence has a lot to do with his increasing stamina problems........

nadal too played a part in derailing him mentally by beating him over and over in the semifinals when djokovic was playing the best tennis of his career in 2008 and looked like threatening federer on every surface........pity that the two best players in the world played in too many semifinals in that 2008 clay season and also 2009 clay season........it's hard to believe that djokovic for all his efforts on clay in 2008 and 2009, has just 1 masters title and 1 runner up plate and ended up in nadal's half at the french open in 2006, 2007 and 2008 and several other masters semifinals........

Xristos
02-17-2010, 01:03 PM
His knees.

Start da Game
02-17-2010, 03:42 PM
his knees are being overrated in this discussion........clay is much easier on the body and besides he will be well rested going into the clay season unlike last year where he damaged his knees by nonstop hardcourt stuff.......according to his camp, he might be skipping everything until indian wells to avoid any further damage.......i wish he skips miami as well.......

Arkulari
02-17-2010, 03:49 PM
he's practising in indoor hard as we speak :rolleyes:

Start da Game
02-17-2010, 04:38 PM
he's practising in indoor hard as we speak :rolleyes:

he never seizes to amaze us.......why the hell is he doing that when he will be returning after 45 days and will be playing clay court tennis in a couple of months time?

Arkulari
02-17-2010, 04:41 PM
that's what I'm wondering as well :mad:

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 08:21 AM
this year's clay season is the most anticipated in so many years........

ssj100
04-04-2010, 08:25 AM
Nadal's injuries and mental strength are his only enemies. Opponents don't even come close.

Filo V.
04-28-2010, 04:19 AM
Himself.

bad gambler
04-28-2010, 04:45 AM
this year's clay season is the most anticipated in so many years........

Why? :confused:

nsidhan
04-28-2010, 04:45 AM
Del Potro.

He is practicing his arse off in Argentina on clay. He is a phenomenal clay court player and almost took down Federer at RG last year. And he has improved so much since then. He has all the tools to beat Nadal. Nadal's top spin won't bother him.

raahaat7
04-28-2010, 05:50 AM
Nando

andy neyer
04-28-2010, 05:53 AM
Giraldo.

Topspin Forehand
04-28-2010, 05:58 AM
Kohlschreiber

Erica86
04-28-2010, 09:57 AM
His knees.


+1. I fully agree.

Florida
04-28-2010, 01:22 PM
Of course Nole if he gets his act together????? Other than that the CC competition for Nadal is non-existent.

tsonga12345
04-28-2010, 04:00 PM
Del Potro blasting forehands at the baseline = inflamed knees for Rafa.

Fed will struggle to even get break points.

Mats68
04-28-2010, 04:12 PM
the discussion is basically centered around the french open........but consider other clay events as well........i voted for 'no one.....' keeping in view the french but i think del potro has the tools to down him in a 3 sets masters match.......

Why DelPotro? What has he ever done on clay, apart from a semifinal at RG?
He downed Nadal twice easily on the American hardcourts when Rafa could barely move to to his abdominal tear

Priam
04-28-2010, 04:13 PM
He is his own worst enemy.

Mats68
04-28-2010, 04:16 PM
Del Potro.

He is practicing his arse off in Argentina on clay. He is a phenomenal clay court player and almost took down Federer at RG last year. And he has improved so much since then. He has all the tools to beat Nadal. Nadal's top spin won't bother him.

Just wait and see. DelPo has no chance with a healthy Nadal on clay. His movement is just not good enough. On clay he can't end the point with just a couple of flat forehands as he did at the US Open against an injured Nadal.

Nadal's ONLY opponent on clay are his knees, and we all know that.

Matt01
04-28-2010, 04:16 PM
Why DelPotro? What has he ever done on clay, apart from a semifinal at RG?
He downed Nadal twice easily on the American hardcourts when Rafa could barely move to to his abdominal tear


Of course :lol:

Priam
04-28-2010, 04:21 PM
I don't think Delpo risks playing at RG anyway. He definitely has a chance though if he stays consistent from the back and doesn't start spraying the big fhs all over the place.

gorgo1986
04-28-2010, 04:23 PM
Del Potro is injured and he has not played on clay in ages, what are people talking about??? How can an injured opponent be Nadal's biggest threat for this season.(by the way they have played once already and that was a straight set affair for Rafa). At this point Del Potro probably won't make it to Roland Garros.

Selby
04-28-2010, 04:27 PM
His knees

duong
04-28-2010, 04:30 PM
His knees

+1 these two opponents

Next year Del Potro

Priam
04-28-2010, 04:33 PM
Knees, Sod, Fed, Djoker - in that order.

out_here_grindin
04-28-2010, 04:44 PM
Giraldo

dombrfc
04-28-2010, 04:54 PM
If this poll was restarted with Gulbis as an option... :p

Topspin Forehand
04-28-2010, 05:53 PM
Hanescu

Start da Game
04-30-2010, 04:45 PM
Why? :confused:

with what all happened over the last 10 months or so in rafael's career, he definitely looked shaky and short of confidence even going into the clay season and probably for the first time in his career so far.......he even admitted that he got nervous during the closing stages of the montecarlo semis.......his own undoing gave some hope for others in the field this season........

but now after montecarlo it looks like it's getting proved once again that he is born to rule on clay, dictate and own players.......

Start da Game
04-30-2010, 04:49 PM
Why DelPotro? What has he ever done on clay, apart from a semifinal at RG?
He downed Nadal twice easily on the American hardcourts when Rafa could barely move to to his abdominal tear

correct, he hasn't done much in the past but unfortunately for him, he got injured at a time when he could have easily setup the launchpad for the french open.......big things were expected of him this season on clay........i don't know, i think his height and the amount of time he gets on this surface to wind up and blast his forehands and backhands could make him a big player on clay at least in the next season........

Start da Game
04-30-2010, 04:55 PM
now that delpotro is almost out of the entire clay season and djokovic looking fragile as usual, there's no opponent for nadal on clay this season........french is a lock if he just protects his fitness by skipping the ian tiriac masters event.......

NyGeL
04-30-2010, 05:19 PM
It was very hard to predict at the beginning of the season, but now, after Montecarlo and half of Rome, I would say that this is only for Spaniards:

Ferrer, Verdasco, Ferrero and Almagro seems to be the only that can beat Rafa.

NADALbULLS
04-30-2010, 05:27 PM
If Verdasco is in the opposite side of the Roland Garros draw then I think Verdasco will meet Nadal in the Final. But I don't think Verdasco will take a set off Nadal, it might even be all bagels and breadsticks. But Verdasco is in superb form and should beat anyone else in the draw.

River
04-30-2010, 05:28 PM
Andy F'n Roddick.

lmao

Start da Game
04-30-2010, 05:32 PM
It was very hard to predict at the beginning of the season, but now, after Montecarlo and half of Rome, I would say that this is only for Spaniards:

Ferrer, Verdasco, Ferrero and Almagro seems to be the only that can beat Rafa.

concurred but even they cannot beat a fit rafa.......those spaniards are often laughed at for not able to win but showing courage and some resistance to their fellow spaniard who is on his way to becoming the greatest ever on clay.......

a totally out of prime ferrero was the one who took down nadal on clay on one of his unfit days, couple years ago........verdasco, ferrer and almagro are not as bad on clay as people think........

out_here_grindin
04-30-2010, 05:41 PM
If Verdasco is in the opposite side of the Roland Garros draw then I think Verdasco will meet Nadal in the Final. But I don't think Verdasco will take a set off Nadal, it might even be all bagels and breadsticks. But Verdasco is in superb form and should beat anyone else in the draw.

Agreed. Verdasco could very well be the 3rd favorite behind Fed and Nadal this year, but he just gets eaten everytime he plays Nadal.

madmax
04-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Stan the Man is doing a decent job...