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Clay season 2010

marcRD
02-04-2010, 06:19 PM
I have been away for a while from tennis, but I am really excited about the clayseason coming up. Clayseason used to be my favorite part of the season before Nadal started dominating, it is not really that I have anything against Nadal but it became predictable. This clayseason will be extremly unpredictable and even if Nadal comes out and dominate every tournament it will be fun because I feel like Nadal will have to overcome something big this year and that is beyond his injuries and lack of confidence an overall feeling among many players that he is beatable even on clay. Federer was almost in the same situation last year but without the injuries, so I would be really impressed if Nadal gets back to be the dominating force he was on clay. I mean we have 3 extremly difficult foes for Nadal this clay season and none of them have their named spelled Roger Federer. I really think Davydenko, Djokovic and more than anyone else Del Potro really belive they can beat Nadal on clay this year. Del Potro I would put money on anyday if he gets a 1 in 2 odds against Nadal on clay, this guy is really Nadal's kryptonite and I think he really got in Federers head aswell (something I didnt expect last year). I would almost put him as favorite for RG, but he still is inconsistant and can easily lose against someone in the early rounds and I also dont like how he matches up against some good claycourters like Djokovic and Davydenko.

Davydenko will prob do some damage in master series but I can never count him in in the big tournaments. I really cant think of anything more exciting than a Federer-Djokovic and Nadal-Del Potro SFs in RG, anyone could win and the matchups and it really makes me drool of anticipation, great tennis and great drama to be expected. Last year RG was kind of lackluster even if Federer's victory had a great emotional and historical value. His match against Del Potro was great but the final lacked drama and everyone knew who would win.

Some questions I ask this forum is:

Will Nadal find both physical and mental form in time to dominate on clay?
Would even a prime Nadal on clay have problem with Del Potro? Does Federer even have a chanse against a weaker Nadal on clay?
Is Djokovic mentaly ready to compete for a slam (he seems to have dropped his level for every year since he won AO 2008)?
Is Davydenko going to really be a contender in RG?
Are there any darkhorses who could surprise and win the whole tournament? I cant think of any, but on my dangerous list to except cause some surprises I have Söderling, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Gonzalez and Monfils.

PS: If you think it is too early to talk about clay tennis please just avoid talking about it in this thread. I feel like talking about tennis and the HC master series are no longer my cup of tea, I just dont find them interesting to discuss and I hardly watch non grand slam tennis anymore.

Iluzionista
02-04-2010, 06:25 PM
I think Novak and Nikolay will be big factors at clay court season along with Fed and Nadal.

Commander Data
02-04-2010, 06:53 PM
I agree with you. Potro is Nadals biggest danger. I think RG will be between Federer, Nadal and Del Potro. MUch depending on form of Nadal and Potro. peak Nadal will beat Federer, but I believe peak Potro can beat peak Nadal. peak Potro agains peak Federer is 50:50. But Federers form is the least questionable and probobaly closest to peak. so it will be interesting to see what happens.

I do not believe Djokovic can win RG. he does not seem though enough, same goes for Davydenko and Murray.

An additional kick for me is that the RG title would put CYGS within reach for Federer.

abraxas21
02-04-2010, 07:07 PM
agreed with the OP

Regardless, I still think Nadal will dominate the clay season and I have him as a favourite for RG but surprises might always happen.

Last year Pony boy was so close to winining RG. In the semis against Roger he was 2-1 but Ninjafed managed to turn the match the other way around. I'm certain that if he had managed to win that match, he would have won RG beating Soda in the final.

Who knows what might happen this year? Pony boy is a good clay courter (he grew up playing mostly on that surface after all). Kolya will be a force in MS and might win one if he keeps up playing so well in best of three matches. Federer might win one as well if he gets his act together in at least one MS.

Overall, I think this whole season is going to be pretty interesting in terms of similar achievements by different players. I expect Pony boy, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Kolya and Murray to win all the MS and GS in 2010. I'd be surprised if any other player manages to win one of the big titles.

Vida
02-04-2010, 07:10 PM
look for djoker to make some noise on clay this year.... the stars are aligning, I can see it. :eek::cool::D

JesusFederer
02-04-2010, 07:18 PM
I agree with you. Potro is Nadals biggest danger. I think RG will be between Federer, Nadal and Del Potro. MUch depending on form of Nadal and Potro. peak Nadal will beat Federer, but I believe peak Potro can beat peak Nadal. peak Potro agains peak Federer is 50:50. But Federers form is the least questionable and probobaly closest to peak. so it will be interesting to see what happens.

I do not believe Djokovic can win RG. he does not seem though enough, same goes for Davydenko and Murray.

An additional kick for me is that the RG title would put CYGS within reach for Federer.

Wow are you my long lost twin or something? Lol! Seriously though this is the second time that you have basically written down my thoughts.

I will just add the Roger has the opportunity now to become the nr.1 clay court player. He was nr. 1 last year after having the most points in the CC season, but you have to give Nadal a chance to come back this year and show he is still nr 1. If he fails to do so and Roger takes teh title once more, Roger must be considered as teh nr 1 on clay from then on.

philosophicalarf
02-04-2010, 07:22 PM
My question about Nadal is that being fit at the start of the clay season might be counterproductive. If he's even halfway physically OK, he wins Monte Carlo, he's unbeatable there. Then Barcelona - is he playing that again? Oh, then Rome. Then Madrid, will he grow some brains and skip it? Probably not.

In other words: if he's fit enough to actually be a threat at Roland Garros, he'll probably have already screwed up his knees beforehand playing far too many matches. His best chance may be getting a mild injury in Monte Carlo, and then being forced to revise his schedule.

DrJules
02-04-2010, 07:22 PM
look for djoker to make some noise on clay this year.... the stars are aligning, I can see it. :eek::cool::D

I doubt he will make as much noise as Michelle Larcher de Brito.:lol:

marcRD
02-04-2010, 07:44 PM
I also question Federer not playing Monte Carlo but instead playing 3 weeks straight with Estoril, Rome and Madrid. Ok, maybe he wants some weeks between Miami and Rome to practice claycourt tennis, if he doesnt get far in Miami I think he should include Monte Carlo and skip Estoril. Also it is highly possible it is all about some psychological warfare where Federer only wants to face Nadal on fast claycourts in Rome and Madrid where he can get a psychological advantage going to RG. What do you think?

MurrayFan1
02-04-2010, 07:48 PM
I doubt he will make as much noise as Michelle Larcher de Brito.:lol:

I have seen her play live, not as loud as I hoped she'd be! :( She has a lot of talent though, I am suprised in her recent rankings dip.

Commander Data
02-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Wow are you my long lost twin or something? Lol!

Welcome home soulmate :hug:

BTW: Nice sig ;-)

ApproachShot
02-04-2010, 07:50 PM
I also question Federer not playing Monte Carlo but instead playing 3 weeks straight with Estoril, Rome and Madrid. Ok, maybe he wants some weeks between Miami and Rome to practice claycourt tennis, if he doesnt get far in Miami I think he should include Monte Carlo and skip Estoril. Also it is highly possible it is all about some psychological warfare where Federer only wants to face Nadal on fast claycourts in Rome and Madrid where he can get a psychological advantage going to RG. What do you think?

If Federer does not reach at least the semis in Miami, I can definitely see him going for Monte Carlo and dropping Estoril. Either way, I am sure a wildcard will be reserved for him until just before the tournament starts. I remember him making an announcement about Estoril last year - could he possibly have made some sort of obligation to the tournament director / sponsors?

saniapower
02-04-2010, 08:09 PM
rafa will be back

canbera
02-04-2010, 08:10 PM
If I remember correctly Federer commited to play there at least twice. And since he didn't play Estoril last year, this maybe explains why he's coming this time.

JesusFederer
02-04-2010, 08:26 PM
Welcome home soulmate :hug:

BTW: Nice sig ;-)

:D Love your sig too.

out_here_grindin
05-13-2010, 03:02 AM
Unfortunately Davydenko and Delpo have been out and it has made the clay season not as good as it could be

Arkulari
05-13-2010, 03:11 AM
yeah, not to mention the fact that both Roger and Nole are really playing like shit lately :o

Priam
05-13-2010, 05:45 AM
Murray the clay god is resurgent!

Langers
05-13-2010, 08:11 AM
And everyone keeps pulling out of tournaments.

henke007
05-13-2010, 08:39 AM
The Clay season has been one big BYE for Nadal. Silly how many points he gets for playing like a mug against mugs.

His Madrid draw is just more fuel on the fire.

1st Bye
2nd Bye
3rd Exhausted Isner in slow weather conditons predicted
4th "Monfills"/GGL "rusty and injury jinxed"
5th Spanish bitch 1/2 (BYE)
Final ???

ossie
05-13-2010, 09:19 AM
The Clay season has been one big BYE for Nadal. Silly how many points he gets for playing like a mug against mugs.

His Madrid draw is just more fuel on the fire.

1st Bye
2nd Bye
3rd Exhausted Isner in slow weather conditons predicted
4th "Monfills"/GGL "rusty and injury jinxed"
5th Spanish bitch 1/2 (BYE)
Final ???i agree with this, if only soderling hadnt lost he could spank nadal

Bobby
05-13-2010, 09:39 AM
I'm quite sick of the clay season and the ATP tour in general. Granted, I don't watch that many matches. So maybe I'm in no position to say this. It just seems that it's all half arsed performances, injuries, withdrawals and general tiredness. Federer does not really care, Djokovic has health issues, Murray has problems with head, Roddick just won't play, Del Potro is injured and so on. I know these things happen. And players like Verdasco have done very well, it was also great to see Querrey and Isner in the final. Some fresh results for sure, it's great.

What I don't like is that only the GS's are the place where the top seems to be motivated and excited. There will be some great matches at Roland Garros. What I'm saying is that there should be great battles at the other tournaments as well. But it seems that the top players always have some reason for not doing well.

Merton
05-13-2010, 09:44 AM
From the little I have seen so far the level is worse than, say, 2007. I do not consider 2007 to be anything special for clay tennis, mind you.

Matt01
05-13-2010, 11:06 AM
i agree with this, if only soderling hadnt lost he could spank nadal


Yeah right :o

marcRD
05-14-2010, 02:52 AM
Will Nadal find both physical and mental form in time to dominate on clay?


Why would anyone in their right mind expect him not to dominate clay?


Would even a prime Nadal on clay have problem with Del Potro? Does Federer even have a chanse against a weaker Nadal on clay?

Forget about Del Potro, forget about a weaker Nadal. But to answer your question, we will never know if prime Nadal would have problems with Del Potro and Federer has beaten a weakened Nadal twice.


Is Djokovic mentaly ready to compete for a slam (he seems to have dropped his level for every year since he won AO 2008)?

Expect his form to keep falling, lets see if he even gets to 3rd round this year.


Is Davydenko going to really be a contender in RG?

No



Are there any darkhorses who could surprise and win the whole tournament? I cant think of any, but on my dangerous list to except cause some surprises I have Söderling, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Gonzalez and Monfils.



Yeah, the darkhorses are spaniards who are happy to win a couple of games per set against Nadal.

Why would you start a thread about clay so early? Nadal dominating is not even so exciting as it used to be, before we had atleast Djokovic and Federer fighting for their life to win matches against Nadal, there was a myth around Nadal and what it would take to beat him if it was possible to do it at all in a best of 5 set match, now we know all it really takes is Nadal overscheduling and get tired/injured in RG. Any loss from now on will be because Nadal is slightly injured or tired and I am not even beeing ironic here about Nadal fans making the excuse, it will probably be the case of Nadal not beeing 100% that will make it possible for him to lose in RG. Also we have Verdasco and Ferrer as challengers instead of Fed/Djoko....

Persimmon
05-14-2010, 12:27 PM
now we know all it really takes is Nadal overscheduling and get tired/injured in RG. Any loss from now on will be because Nadal is slightly injured or tired and I am not even beeing ironic here about Nadal fans making the excuse, it will probably be the case of Nadal not beeing 100% that will make it possible for him to lose in RG....

Which makes Rafa playing Madrid look really lame. Like he is playing with fire.....

marcRD
05-14-2010, 12:46 PM
Which makes Rafa playing Madrid look really lame. Like he is playing with fire.....

Yes, it is really mindless of Nadal to do such a thing.

ZaZoo)
05-14-2010, 01:07 PM
Not just clay season, whole 2010 season so far is crap. Bobby said it all in his post.

MacTheKnife
05-14-2010, 01:13 PM
Clay season: :zzz:

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Jills
05-14-2010, 03:55 PM
The OP was good at the time but turned out to be a joke in light of things.

God the clay season is boring. At least Ernests made things interesting, but beyond that -_____________-. Glad it's nearly over.