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Did the grand slam finalists of the 60's-90's cry? Was it seen as showing weakness?

2003
02-01-2010, 10:23 PM
Back in the era of Rod Laver/Fred Stolly/etc through to Bijon Borg/Mcenroe/Connors through to Sampras/Rafter etc, how common was it for a Grand Slam winner or finalist to cry either during their acceptance/runner up speech or after the last ball had been played?

Obviously in all sports I think it's fair to say that men cry more often these days then they used to, some emotional champions cry and some only do it once and hold themselves pretty well.

Would the general public back in the day have called Mcenore a pussy for crying? What about in Rod Lavers era? Peoples attitudes to men showing emotion etc were quite different in those days and even today some people still think men should never cry.

Roger Federer is obviously the best example in todays era, he always crys generally. Rafael Nadal on the other hand tended not to, but he lost it and cried when he won Wimbledon.

Andy Murray cried the other night in losing, and hell Federer seemed to weep after match point, and probably would have cried too in the winner speach if Murray haddn't. Is this acceptable behaviour? Would the public in the 1960's have called these fellas wimps? Did Olympic gold medalists cry back then like they do now? Mind you it's a bit different they place you on a podium with your national anthem playing, it kind of makes you cry.

Do you think Federer deliberatley cries sometimes? I think it was an accident at AO 09 but in the past like Wimbledon 07 say I think he deliberately cried in the sense of trying to and not attempting not to.

Is it acceptable for Grand Slam finalists to bawl their eyes out? Would sobbing suffice? Is the pressure of the biggest moment of an athletes life enough to make it okay, or should they remember that this is JUST TENNIS, especially after what just happened in Hati, and there are bigger things in life?

I have no opinion on this. Does anyone else?

Andresito
02-01-2010, 10:28 PM
Crying is hot right now.

TabbyHolla
02-01-2010, 10:59 PM
Welcome to the current century where men can actually show emotion.

Kolya
02-01-2010, 11:16 PM
They should drink a cup of concrete and harden the f**k up.

Tsonganator
02-01-2010, 11:34 PM
Welcome to the current century where increasing environmental estrogens cause men to show extravagant displays of emotion.

Fixed ;)

Howard
02-01-2010, 11:43 PM
I can handle a little crying in men's tennis but if they start retaining water and calling for a trainer, I'm switching to watching badminton.

I remember Sampras breaking up a few times, but I think it had more to do with Tim Gullikson's illness and death than losing a match. Pretty sad really.

star
02-01-2010, 11:51 PM
Yeah. I think there was no crying from the loser at a trophy presentation until Jana Novotna had her breakdown at Wimbledon. And then it was like :speakles: It was just a major shock to see someone do that.

Arkulari
02-01-2010, 11:56 PM
yeah, let's keep everything repressed and bottled, is just SO much more healthy :rolleyes:

Voo de Mar
02-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Roland Garros 1999, both Agassi and Medvedev cried.

BigJohn
02-01-2010, 11:58 PM
Yeah. I think there was no crying from the loser at a trophy presentation until Jana Novotna had her breakdown at Wimbledon. And then it was like :speakles: It was just a major shock to see someone do that.

Wasn't the big shock the fact that she broke protocol and cried on the shoulder of a royal?

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 12:29 AM
yeah, let's keep everything repressed and bottled, is just SO much more healthy :rolleyes:

:yeah:
Not to mention that it is of course a huge sin for 'men' to come across as 'human'. Boy-oh-boy one would have thought that we're some 5 decades past the enlightments of the 1960's by now, but apparently, not yet. :rolleyes:

Wasn't the big shock the fact that she broke protocol and cried on the shoulder of a royal?

Yeah, that was the main 'shock' indeed.

out_here_grindin
02-02-2010, 01:19 AM
yeah, let's keep everything repressed and bottled, is just SO much more healthy :rolleyes:

Not sure about sadness but letting anger "out" makes you more angry rather than helping.

General Suburbia
02-02-2010, 01:39 AM
Not sure about sadness but letting anger "out" makes you more angry rather than helping.
That's a little different.

Gnomey
02-02-2010, 01:46 AM
Seriously, anyone who keeps harping on about the crying is frigid and suppressed - and not in the "Look at me, I'm so macho!!" way.

bobrocks
02-02-2010, 02:13 AM
Is the pressure of the biggest moment of an athletes life enough to make it okay, or should they remember that this is JUST TENNIS, especially after what just happened in Hati, and there are bigger things in life?



Good post until that last line.
I've seen boxers and hockey players, and lots of athletes weep when they've achieved what they've worked their whole life for. Whether they do or don't is up to how emotional of a person they are, and no one should suggest that because of the latest world tragedy, that they shouldn't.

out_here_grindin
02-02-2010, 02:22 AM
All these tears lately just go to show that the Aussie Open is the most important. Did any other slam reduce the GOAT to weeping or bring tears to the eyes of Andy Murray?

Arkulari
02-02-2010, 02:57 AM
haters are really grasping at straws nowadays :lol:
same happened when Rafa was winning everything under the sun in early 2009 :p

tangerine_dream
02-02-2010, 03:35 AM
Crying for joy was allowed, but never in defeat.

Women did not cry either, it would've been considered a sign of feminine weakness (the chauvanistic response would have been: "typical weak woman can't handle the pressure, they don't belong in sports."). Since women were still very much trying to prove that they belonged in sports, crying in public was a big no-no.

Patman
02-02-2010, 05:01 AM
Here is my take on it. I personally believe that it is perfectly normal in this day and age for someone that devoted to cry. In order for you guys that just say "harden up" to understand you have to understand how much things have changed. Gone are the days where players can smoke and drink excessively and win at the highest level through pure skill. These guys work out everyday, eat extremely healthy, avoid excessive alcohol, keep to strict sleeping schedules etc. these days because THEY HAVE TO in order to win whether it is the NHL, NFL, NBA, or Tennis.

In order to realize how much time and effort they put into their sports just think. When we crave for junk food we just eat it, drink whenever we want, stay up late etc. The will power these guys need is like the equivalent

serveandvolley80
02-02-2010, 05:48 AM
Here is my take on it. I personally believe that it is perfectly normal in this day and age for someone that devoted to cry. In order for you guys that just say "harden up" to understand you have to understand how much things have changed. Gone are the days where players can smoke and drink excessively and win at the highest level through pure skill. These guys work out everyday, eat extremely healthy, avoid excessive alcohol, keep to strict sleeping schedules etc. these days because THEY HAVE TO in order to win whether it is the NHL, NFL, NBA, or Tennis.

In order to realize how much time and effort they put into their sports just think. When we crave for junk food we just eat it, drink whenever we want, stay up late etc. The will power these guys need is like the equivalent of us doing multiple PHD's for the duration of a sports career. That is a lot of reading,

Its hard to understand that kind of pressure to perform on a grand stage, and then tell these human beings to toughen up, don't be a wuss. It would be like you having a career in the spotlight, every mistake is shown to millions of people, and every break down or emotional outburst is no longer private. The up side is of course they make millions so they can live with it, suck it up pansies!

Dini
02-02-2010, 10:36 AM
Blackest days in tennis history.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 11:03 AM
Johnny Mac was close to tears DURING the 4th-set tie-breaker in the 1980 Wimbledon final. He found the pressure just so unbearable. Amazing he pulled that tie-breaker off.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 11:56 AM
I don't recall any of the men sobbing at an awards ceremony to the point where their opponent had to take control of the presentation. Last year, I thought somebody had died or was dying--or Roger was going to retire. I thought something really bad had happened to bring about that outburst.

I like Roger.. but some of you guys are in denial about what happened last year. It's like you all think some of us are upset that he "cried" at all. No, it's not that he cried: it's that he stood there and sobbed for 20 minutes--blubbering even while Rafa was holding up the trophy. Pictures/videos were all over the internet. :shrug: Even non-fans of the sport remember Roger's breakdown--and I have to say it did impact their views about Roger and maybe even the game itself.

Ya'll act like he was just a young kid never winning anything. Ya'll act like he sobbed in the dressing room in private. No, it was for all the world to see just because Rafa beat him....again. Welcome to Andy Roddick's world for a moment, Roger! :lol: It was not a pretty sight for a grown man with all the success he's had. It's not about being a sissy. It's not about being less of a man: it's about being a SORE LOSER and acting like a spoiled brat in a passive aggressive way!

Remember the tournament directors were going to let Roger speak second--usually for the winner of the match--giving Roger a chance to pull it together which he did just barely for a moment. It was Rafa who encouraged him to speak. It was just a very uncomfortable situation.

Andy's tears this year were NOTHING compared to Roger's sobfest last year. It was nothing compared to Pete's crying over his coach. Roger's episode trumped everything I've ever seen from both the men and women as far as crying--except I recall Hingis(??) who had to be coaxed out the dressing room at the French.. I just have a vague recollection..

I respect Roger. He's the GOAT--no question. He's not the worst player as far as attitude who ever walked on a court. In fact, I think he's does pretty well considering everything. But last year wasn't his shining moment! In fact, emotionally it was probably HIS worst display ever. Was it as horrible as Serena threatening that line judge? No---not even close. But for Roger it wasn't dignified for a champion of his status and reputation. I realize Roger doesn't think it was a big deal, but he's wrong. It was a big deal.

tenalyser
02-02-2010, 12:33 PM
I'm not into the whole crying thing that's been going on in tennis the last couple of years. Crying for your fist Grand slam I can understand to some degree (even if I don't think that's how a man should react) but it gets annoying and embarrassing after a while. I don't want to see a grown man weep like a little sissy. But that's my opinion.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 12:42 PM
Emotional restraint in public - as opposed to emotional repression - is a good thing; it's part of showing consideration for other people. But I can understand when people can't manage it and it's ridiculous to accuse them of committing some awful crime. It's a faux pas, comparable to chewing with your mouth open. And that's it.

BigJohn
02-02-2010, 12:59 PM
Federer was on the verge of breaking Sampras' record. He was under enormous pressure, he cracked. So what? He's not the first one and it will happen to other as well.

Cut him some slack. That was a year ago and Federer has been one of the best ambassador this game has ever seen. Best ambassador of the current generations anyways.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:02 PM
Emotional restraint in public - as opposed to emotional repression - is a good thing; it's part of showing consideration for other people. But I can understand when people can't manage it and it's ridiculous to accuse them of committing some awful crime. It's a faux pas, comparable to chewing with your mouth open. And that's it.

I do agree Roger's display in particular wasn't in the same league as Serena going ballistic with that line judge. To me, she should have been suspended and forced to go to anger management--and I'm a fan of hers. There was no excuse. Ironically though neither Serena nor Roger don't seem to want to admit they were wrong in their behavior. I mean, there's crying.. and then there's sobbing for 20 minutes. :lol: If one of the Williams sisters had behaved like Roger did last year, people would be all over them for acting like spoiled brats--and well it is what it is.

No, Roger didn't curse-out anybody,but to me it was a little passive aggressive. And I'm telling you the truth... I was out to lunch with some friends, and Roger was playing a match. His face appeared on the screen, and one of my friends said, yeah... there's the guy who cried like a baby last year.. Everybody laughed. He lost some respect--not in the same way Serena deserved to lose some respect, but more like Roger is this self-absorbed, self-entitled, spoiled athlete--sort of validating the stereotype more than anything else.

Rafa handled it ok, but then again, I think even Rafa went a little overboardon consoling the guy. Sure, he got him to speak first, but after that Rafa should have just celebrated--unrestrained--his first AO win because right now, it looks it might be his last. Of course, if Rafa had been smiling and celebrating, then people would have criticized him for being insensitive to Roger! :lol: So Rafa was in a no-win situation as far as what to do...

So Roger's defenders can defend his worst moment all you want. But he did turn-off a few people just by validating the stereotype.

Castafiore
02-02-2010, 01:02 PM
Part of the blame for that trophy ceremony fiasco last year has to be put on the organisation of that little event.

A trophy ceremony should be about the winner in the first place with the loser in the background. To me, it looked as if that ceremony was organized with one scenario in mind: Roger wins, equals slam record of Sampras...

In that particular ceremony, they put the spotlight too much on Roger Federer, the announcer told him how the crowd had come to witness him equal that slam record of Sampras, how much they wanted to see him win (which was tactless to say towards the actual winner), how quite a few of the tennis greats had come for that same purpose,...

That trophy ceremony came across as mourning a lost opportunity instead of a celebration. It was disrespectful.

Yes, Roger Federer is a good ambassador for the sport but tennis has more than one good ambassador and in that sense, many players deserve respect and slack.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 01:08 PM
^ Yes I agree, it was badly handled.

Har-Tru
02-02-2010, 01:11 PM
I can understand the crying, but I think it's much more appropriate to hold it in until the locker room like Nadal WB 2007.

Har-Tru
02-02-2010, 01:12 PM
All these tears lately just go to show that the Aussie Open is the most important. Did any other slam reduce the GOAT to weeping or bring tears to the eyes of Andy Murray?

I'm sigging this. :lol:

Part of the blame for that trophy ceremony fiasco last year has to be put on the organisation of that little event.

A trophy ceremony should be about the winner in the first place with the loser in the background. To me, it looked as if that ceremony was organized with one scenario in mind: Roger wins, equals slam record of Sampras...

In that particular ceremony, they put the spotlight too much on Roger Federer, the announcer told him how the crowd had come to witness him equal that slam record of Sampras, how much they wanted to see him win (which was tactless to say towards the actual winner), how quite a few of the tennis greats had come for that same purpose,...

That trophy ceremony came across as mourning a lost opportunity instead of a celebration. It was disrespectful.

Yes, Roger Federer is a good ambassador for the sport but tennis has more than one good ambassador and in that sense, many players deserve respect and slack.

Good post.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:14 PM
Part of the blame for that trophy ceremony fiasco last year has to be put on the organisation of that little event.

A trophy ceremony should be about the winner in the first place with the loser in the background. To me, it looked as if that ceremony was organized with one scenario in mind: Roger wins, equals slam record of Sampras...

In that particular ceremony, they put the spotlight too much on Roger Federer, the announcer told him how the crowd had come to witness him equal that slam record of Sampras, how much they wanted to see him win (which was tactless to say towards the actual winner), how quite a few of the tennis greats had come for that same purpose,...

That trophy ceremony came across as mourning a lost opportunity instead of a celebration. It was disrespectful.

Yes, Roger Federer is a good ambassador for the sport but tennis has more than one good ambassador and in that sense, many players deserve respect and slack.

I agree with this. As was said in another thread, I don't understand why they can't have at least a 5 minute break between the final point and the trophy presentation to go to the locker room... just so the players can compose themselves... and even think about what they'd like to say.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:17 PM
But for Roger it wasn't dignified for a champion of his status and reputation. I realize Roger doesn't think it was a big deal, but he's wrong. It was a big deal.

On the whole I can well understand your opinion on this 'incident', but here you go wrong - Roger himself has said on quite a few occasions that it was a total embarrassment for him. So it was a big deal indeed.
Eventually it might indeed end up as a 'big deal to remember', in the sense that in some ten, twenty years, less-cold hearted tennis fans might be able to look back at it with slight amusement and even fondness. Just like I am now able to look at Jana Navotna's outburst. :)

Emotional restraint in public - as opposed to emotional repression - is a good thing; it's part of showing consideration for other people. But I can understand when people can't manage it and it's ridiculous to accuse them of committing some awful crime. It's a faux pas, comparable to chewing with your mouth open. And that's it.

:yeah: It happens. It's 'human'. Nobody is perfect.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:20 PM
On the whole I can well understand your opinion on this 'incident', but here you go wrong - Roger himself has said on quite a few occasions that it was a total embarrassment for him. So it was a big deal indeed.
Eventually it might indeed end up as a 'big deal to remember', in the sense that in some ten, twenty years, less-cold hearted tennis fans might be able to look back at it with slight amusement and even fondness. Just like I am now able to look at Jana Navotna's outburst. :)



:yeah: It happens. It's 'human'. Nobody is perfect.


Oh... well I stand corrected. The last article I read, Roger was saying he's just a "cryer"! :lol:

It's good to know he was embarrassed about it at least.

icedevil0289
02-02-2010, 01:22 PM
I don't recall any of the men sobbing at an awards ceremony to the point where their opponent had to take control of the presentation. Last year, I thought somebody had died or was dying--or Roger was going to retire. I thought something really bad had happened to bring about that outburst.

I like Roger.. but some of you guys are in denial about what happened last year. It's like you all think some of us are upset that he "cried" at all. No, it's not that he cried: it's that he stood there and sobbed for 20 minutes--blubbering even while Rafa was holding up the trophy. Pictures/videos were all over the internet. :shrug: Even non-fans of the sport remember Roger's breakdown--and I have to say it did impact their views about Roger and maybe even the game itself.

Ya'll act like he was just a young kid never winning anything. Ya'll act like he sobbed in the dressing room in private. No, it was for all the world to see just because Rafa beat him....again. Welcome to Andy Roddick's world for a moment, Roger! :lol: It was not a pretty sight for a grown man with all the success he's had. It's not about being a sissy. It's not about being less of a man: it's about being a SORE LOSER and acting like a spoiled brat in a passive aggressive way!

Remember the tournament directors were going to let Roger speak second--usually for the winner of the match--giving Roger a chance to pull it together which he did just barely for a moment. It was Rafa who encouraged him to speak. It was just a very uncomfortable situation.

Andy's tears this year were NOTHING compared to Roger's sobfest last year. It was nothing compared to Pete's crying over his coach. Roger's episode trumped everything I've ever seen from both the men and women as far as crying--except I recall Hingis(??) who had to be coaxed out the dressing room at the French.. I just have a vague recollection..

I respect Roger. He's the GOAT--no question. He's not the worst player as far as attitude who ever walked on a court. In fact, I think he's does pretty well considering everything. But last year wasn't his shining moment! In fact, emotionally it was probably HIS worst display ever. Was it as horrible as Serena threatening that line judge? No---not even close. But for Roger it wasn't dignified for a champion of his status and reputation. I realize Roger doesn't think it was a big deal, but he's wrong. It was a big deal.

i actually know some nadal fans who liked roger after that, because it showed how much he wanted it and for them it was somewhat endearing and showed that he indeed is human.

aroller
02-02-2010, 01:22 PM
Goran Ivanisevic cried both when he lost and when he won. When he won and was crying, Pat Rafter gave him a hug and a pat on the head.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:24 PM
Oh... well I stand corrected. The last article I read, Roger was saying he's just a "cryer"! :lol:

It's good to know he was embarrassed about it at least.

Roger is capable of making jokes about it by now. He's been making jokes about his crying stints quite often. ;)

He was very embarrassed. In fact, it was Rafa who said to him that it wasn't a big deal. And imho, Rafa is only one who should be allowed to cast a 'verdict' on what happened at that moment. If he didn't think it was much of a deal, then why should we?

abraxas21
02-02-2010, 01:24 PM
I realize Roger doesn't think it was a big deal, but he's wrong. It was a big deal.

Actually, he did regret it publicly on a few occassions and I'm sure that he would have avoided the tears if he could. However, he just couldn't handle it at the moment and I can understand that.

I have never cried in public, not even when I was a litte kid (except maybe a few times with the company of my mom but never in a big stage like school or something similar) but I actually can understand the fact that he couldn't handle it. He just couldn't and that's it. There's no need to get back to it every time.

Was crying a good moment in Fed's career? No, it certainly wasn't and him and others would agree. However, it wasn't so terrible as so many of the haters here try to put it. Personally speaking, I find Roddick's insults to the umpire in that AO vs Kohli worse, just to put a random example.

Dini
02-02-2010, 01:26 PM
Oh... well I stand corrected. The last article I read, Roger was saying he's just a "cryer"! :lol:

It's good to know he was embarrassed about it at least.

He did a whole interview with Eurosport about it. Seems to have been taken off youtube now for some reason. :scratch:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:30 PM
i actually know some nadal fans who liked roger after that, because it showed how much he wanted it and for them it was somewhat endearing and showed that he indeed is human.

I know, and I know where to find them. ;)

Goran Ivanisevic cried both when he lost and when he won. When he won and was crying, Pat Rafter gave him a hug and a pat on the head.

Pat Rafter was a classy guy. :yeah:

Was crying a good moment in Fed's career? No, it certainly wasn't and him and others would agree. However, it wasn't so terrible as so many of the haters here try to put it. Personally speaking, I find Roddick's insults to the umpire in that AO vs Kohli worse, just to put a random example.

Well yes. And how about Martina Hingins? Didn't she once even walk out of a trophy ceremony in tears, after having lost? That was... :o
(sorry can't remember the exact date or place anymore, but it happened in a GS final loss against Steffi Graf, if I'm not mistaken)

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Actually, he did regret it publicly on a few occassions and I'm sure that he would have avoided the tears if he could. However, he just couldn't handle it at the moment and I can understand that.

I have never cried in public, not even when I was a litte kid (except maybe a few times with the company of my mom but never in a big stage like school or something similar) but I actually can understand the fact that he couldn't handle it. He just couldn't and that's it. There's no need to get back to it every time.

Was crying a good moment in Fed's career? No, it certainly wasn't and him and others would agree. However, it wasn't so terrible as so many of the haters here try to put it. Personally speaking, I find Roddick's insults to the umpire in that AO vs Kohli worse, just to put a random example.

Look, it's not about "hating-on" Roger and defending other players loss of control. It's ALL about loss of control.

I have never defended Andy Roddick outbursts any more than I've would defend Serena's. In fact, didn't Andy apologize for his outburst recently? Serena has yet to really apologize which is very disappointing, but tennis let her get away with it.

And it's not that I'm a Rafa fan so much I wouldn't criticize him. I'm not too happy about him retiring in that match v Murray. I don't think it's good for the game for the defending champion to retire when he could have gone through the motions for three more games. I gave him at pass at Wimby for not defending his title. But retiring against Murray I think was unnecessary--and not good..

I'm just talking about Roger last year--one incident. I'm just saying he could have handled himself a lot better. That's all.

Dini
02-02-2010, 01:34 PM
I'm just talking about Roger last year--one incident. I'm just saying he could have handled himself a lot better. That's all.

I'm not sure he could have. Those tears pretty much looked out of control.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:37 PM
I'm not sure he could have. Those tears pretty much looked out of control.

That's the difference between what we call in my country 'crocodile tears' and REAL tears. The first are controlable (as they are fake ;)), the latter aren't.

BTW, nice to see you around again, Nadine! :D

Castafiore
02-02-2010, 01:39 PM
The first are controlable (as they are fake ;)), the latter aren't.
fake?

I don't agree. It depends on your personality, don't you think? Some people just manage to keep it inside more than others but that doesn't mean that their emotions are fake just because they don't want to share those emotions with others.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:41 PM
That's the difference between what we call in my country 'crocodile tears' and REAL tears. The first are controlable (as they are fake ;)), the latter aren't.

BTW, nice to see you around again, Nadine! :D

Oh.. so a person who just sheds a few tears is "faking it"?????????
So you can judge who's faking it and who's not?

:rolls:

Ya'll are too much.

Dini
02-02-2010, 01:42 PM
fake?

I don't agree. It depends on your personality, don't you think? Some people just manage to keep it inside more than others but that doesn't mean that their emotions are fake just because they don't want to share those emotions with others.

This is very true.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:44 PM
fake?

I don't agree. It depends on your personality, don't you think? Some people just manage to keep it inside more than others but that doesn't mean that their emotions are fake just because they don't want to share those emotions with others.

'Fake' is too harsh of an expression, but you do know what I mean, don't you? Call it 'drama-queening', or something the like. Sorry my English is too limited to put down an elaborate essay on it. And I guess I'd rather not even try... ;)

Yep, it is of course all a matter of personality. Federer is a very sensitive fellow, and yes you might even call him a cry-baby. But in contrary to others, I don't take that as a token of 'weakness' at all, it's just part of how he's like. To some it is off-putting, to others, like me, it makes him all the more likeable. :)

EDIT: too much 'like' in this post, sorry. :p

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:46 PM
Oh.. so a person who just sheds a few tears is "faking it"?????????
So you can judge who's faking it and who's not?

:rolls:

Ya'll are too much.

Oh come on. You know what I mean. Read my post above, I was exaggerating, no need for nitpicking on my words. ;)

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 01:50 PM
'Fake' is too harsh of an expression, but you do know what I mean, don't you? Call it 'drama-queening', or something the like. Sorry my English is too limited to put down an elaborate essay on it. And I guess I'd rather not even try... ;)

Yep, it is of course all a matter of personality. Federer is a very sensitive fellow, and yes you might even call him a cry-baby. But in contrary to others, I don't take that as a token of 'weakness' at all, it's just part of how he's like. To some it is off-putting, to others, like me, it makes him all the more likeable. :)

EDIT: too much 'like' in this post, sorry. :p

Andy Roddick's a sensitive fellow, too. But rather than cry he's a smart-ass! :lol: Gonzo is senstive, too, but rather than cry, he breaks rackets.

Look at John McEnroe: he's an art dealer. He's sensitive--a delicate flower. The difference is...he's got a bad temper or had one. Now he's all .. "I love you, man; Give me a hug." He's sensitive!

I just think players let there emotions out in different ways--and sometimes they cross the line.

Castafiore
02-02-2010, 01:52 PM
'Fake' is too harsh of an expression, but you do know what I mean, don't you?
I don't, sorry. :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:54 PM
Andy Roddick's a sensitive fellow, too. But rather than cry he's a smart-ass! :lol: Gonzo is senstive, too, but rather than cry, he breaks rackets.

Look at John McEnroe: he's an art dealer. He's sensitive--a delicate flower. The difference is...he's got a bad temper or had one. Now he's all .. "I love you, man; Give me a hug." He's sensitive!

I just think players let there emotions out in different ways--and sometimes they cross the line.

All good points. I guess - warning: exaggerating, again (:silly:) - there are two distinct major ways of letting out these kind of negative emotions: shedding tears or becoming violent in some way or another. I know which way I prefer to see. :p

Acer
02-02-2010, 01:57 PM
Sometimes players get emotional and tear up a bit, big fucking deal. It only shows how passionate they are about the sport and that can only be a good thing.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:59 PM
I don't, sorry. :lol:

Okay, another attempt, then: 'crocodile tears' are (controllable) tears shed for the sole purpose of getting a positive reaction out of others. It's manipulation, really, and it's done on purpose. Which is certainly not the case with what I call 'real' tears, caused by whatever a huge emotion. Those are uncontrollable.
But well as I've seen quite a few claims from haters that Federer's tears were indeed some kind of an act... I guess they thought that Federer was indeed doing the Drama Queen-act at that incident. Which is nonsense.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:07 PM
Okay, another attempt, then: 'crocodile tears' are (controllable) tears shed for the sole purpose of getting a positive reaction out of others. It's manipulation, really, and it's done on purpose. Which is certainly not the case with what I call 'real' tears, caused by whatever a huge emotion. Those are uncontrollable.
But well as I've seen quite a few claims from haters that Federer's tears were indeed some kind of an act... I guess they thought that Federer was indeed doing the Drama Queen-act at that incident. Which is nonsense.

What?????????????????????????????????????

Nobody said Fed's tears were an act any more than Gonzo breaking his racket as an act! :lol:

It was a loss of self-control... and for a champion as experienced and successful as Roger, one would think he would have had more self-control regardless of the circumstances.

Hey...I remember when he beat Rafa in Spain...Roger said something like, "I'm sorry to rain on your parade to the fans and the press"? I would imagine Spain would have liked Rafa to win, but he didn't. :lol: I'm sorry but a lot of players have had to suffer defeat--multiple times at the hands of Roger, so I just don't have a lot of sympathy for him except perhaps in extreme circumstances--like what happened to Pete.

Ya'll crack me up. You all defend Roger--no matter what.

icedevil0289
02-02-2010, 02:12 PM
What?????????????????????????????????????

Nobody said Fed's tears were an act any more than Gonzo breaking his racket as an act! :lol:

It was a loss of self-control... and for a champion as experienced and successful as Roger, one would think he would have had more self-control regardless of the circumstances.

Hey...I remember when he beat Rafa in Spain...Roger said something like, "I'm sorry to rain on your parade to the fans and the press"? I would imagine Spain would have liked Rafa to win, but he didn't. :lol: I'm sorry but a lot of players have had to suffer defeat--multiple times at the hands of Roger, so I just don't have a lot of sympathy for him except perhaps in extreme circumstances--like what happened to Pete.

Ya'll crack me up. You all defend Roger--no matter what.

:rolleyes: God forbid we don't agree with you about roger crying last yearand I know for a fact that me and bonniethecat are perefectly capable of critizing federer and not always defending him. We have done so in the past, especially when it came to some of the things he said in his pressers.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 02:15 PM
What?????????????????????????????????????

Nobody said Fed's tears were an act any more than Gonzo breaking his racket as an act! :lol:

Read a few of the comments on the YouTube vids on this incident, if you don't believe me here. Yes, there are folks out there who claim he merely did so to gain sympathy. My jaw is still somewhere on the floor after reading that. :o :o :o

It was a loss of self-control... and for a champion as experienced and successful as Roger, one would think he would have had more self-control regardless of the circumstances.

Of course. Well perhaps we would have, indeed. But we aren't Roger.

Hey...I remember when he beat Rafa in Spain...Roger said something like, "I'm sorry to rain on your parade to the fans and the press"? I would imagine Spain would have liked Rafa to win, but he didn't. :lol: I'm sorry but a lot of players have had to suffer defeat--multiple times at the hands of Roger, so I just don't have a lot of sympathy for him except perhaps in extreme circumstances--like what happened to Pete.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I surely see your point. :)

Ya'll crack me up. You all defend Roger--no matter what.

I defend all the players that I like, if I feel there is a need for it. At times I even defend players that I at times don't like that much at all (Andy Murray, two days ago :cool:).

Castafiore
02-02-2010, 02:17 PM
No offence, but I don't think it's fair to drag comments you read on youtube into this discussion when nobody in here suggested in this particular discussion that Fed's crying was fake and an act. I know that it's frustrating to see what some haters come up with but let's deal with their nonsense when we cross that bridge, shall we?

As I said, I put part of the blame for that sorry excuse of a trophy ceremony with the organisation who seemed to have only plan A (roger wins, equals slam record) in mind and failed to properly show respect to the actual winner by going to a plan B they didn't seem to have prepared.

I, for one, don't think that Roger's emotions were fake at all but a trophy ceremony needs to be about the winner and perhaps they should consider giving the loser of such big events a bit more breathing space instead of putting the spotlights on his/her tears.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 02:17 PM
It was a loss of self-control... and for a champion as experienced and successful as Roger, one would think he would have had more self-control regardless of the circumstances.

No offence, but as regards self-control, why don't YOU exercise some over your compulsion to ramble on about this trivial incident? You've been droning on about it for a year. At least Fed restricted his outburst to 20 minutes.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:19 PM
:rolleyes: God forbid we don't agree with you about roger crying last yearand I know for a fact that me and bonniethecat are perefectly capable of critizing federer and not always defending him. We have done so in the past, especially when it came to some of the things he said in his pressers.

Now don't lose your self-control! :wavey: I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm just saying not all of us are Roger-haters because we weren't happy with Roger's outburst last year. And most of us don't think he was "faking it" either. I just think it wasn't a good moment for him, but it's fine with me if you disagree.

Likewise, I don't think Rafa was "faking" his injury this year at the AO. I just question if he really needed to retire from the match. In my opinion, I think he could have gone through the motions, but that's just me. This "retiring" from matches thingy by some top players is getting a bit old.

So... it's six of one; half a dozen of another. :shrug:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 02:22 PM
No offence, but I don't think it's fair to drag comments you read on youtube into this discussion when nobody in here suggested in this particular discussion that Fed's crying was fake and an act.

Those kind of comments were over here as well. Of course, most of it major trollage, but they were. And I'm sorry, I won't go and dig up the exact posts, as I rather choose to never see them again.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:22 PM
No offence, but as regards self-control, why don't YOU exercise some over your compulsion to ramble on about this trivial incident? You've been droning on about it for a year. At least Fed restricted his outburst to 20 minutes.

Now, now... I'm not the one getting all emotional about it.

I just responded to some post in this thread. Why can you all go on and on defending the guy REPEATEDLY, but the rest of us can't respond REPEATEDLY?

Hey, I didn't start the thread... It just cracks me up some of you all are so "sensitive" about any criticism about Fed. Oh.. but it's ok if I go on and on with praise about him... :lol:

icedevil0289
02-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Now don't lose your self-control! :wavey: I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm just saying not all of us are Roger-haters because we weren't happy with Roger's outburst last year. And most of us don't think he was "faking it" either. I just think it wasn't a good moment for him, but it's fine with me if you disagree.

Likewise, I don't think Rafa was "faking" his injury this year at the AO. I just question if he really needed to retire from the match. In my opinion, I think he could have gone through the motions, but that's just me. This "retiring" from matches thingy by some top players is getting a bit old.

So... it's six of one; half a dozen of another. :shrug:

When did I say you were a federerhater?

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Now don't lose your self-control! :wavey: I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm just saying not all of us are Roger-haters because we weren't happy with Roger's outburst last year. And most of us don't think he was "faking it" either. I just think it wasn't a good moment for him, but it's fine with me if you disagree.

I think both Icedevil and me mostly agree with you on this. I even daresay that some 99% of Roger fans weren't happy with that outburst.

Likewise, I don't think Rafa was "faking" his injury this year at the AO. I just question if he really needed to retire from the match. In my opinion, I think he could have gone through the motions, but that's just me. This "retiring" from matches thingy by some top players is getting a bit old.

Your opinion, I happen to have a very different one, but that's not relevant here. Point taken, we should all be allowed to express our educated opinions on things.

So... it's six of one; half a dozen of another. :shrug:

Between White and Black, there are many shades of Grey... ;)

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Now, now... I'm not the one getting all emotional about it.

I just responded to some post in this thread. Why can you all go on and on defending the guy REPEATEDLY, but the rest of us can't respond REPEATEDLY?

Having close to zero interest in it, I have never brought up the subject. I just find it tedious that you keep going on about something so trivial. WE GET THE POINT. It's no big deal.

Castafiore
02-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Those kind of comments were over here as well. Of course, most of it major trollage, but they were. And I'm sorry, I won't go and dig up the exact posts, as I rather choose to never see them again.
Perhaps so, but not in this thread so this was not what this particular discussion was about.

bokehlicious
02-02-2010, 02:29 PM
Haters still not over last year crying? :awww: I know they have very few to bash these days so have to stick to the good ol' news... :hug:

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:34 PM
Having close to zero interest in it, I have never brought up the subject. I just find it tedious that you keep going on about something so trivial. WE GET THE POINT. It's no big deal.

Well, why aren't you telling the people defending Roger you get the point about him being a sensitive guy? :lol:

I get the repeated point some people on here don't think Rafa can play tennis... but I don't ask them to quit expressing. :lol:

Ya'll just can't take about Roger. It gets under your skin. But you all will go on and on about other players!

Well.. I will leave this thread since my presence here is unappreciated! :lol:

But if the subject comes-up again, I will express my opinion--or not. It all depends upon how annoyed I am at the moment!

There's been a lot of Roger love--well deserved I might add. I have even contributed to the Roger love, and will again as long as he doesn't wear that gold trimmed outfit again or sob after somebody has his number like Rafa did there for a while, and it will happen sooner or later.

icedevil0289
02-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Well, why aren't you telling the people defending Roger you get the point about him being a sensitive guy? :lol:

I get the repeated point some people on here don't think Rafa can play tennis... but I don't ask them to quit expressing. :lol:

Ya'll just can't take about Roger. It gets under your skin. But you all will go on and on about other players!
Well.. I will leave this thread since my presence here is unappreciated! :lol:

But if the subject comes-up again, I will express my opinion--or not. It all depends upon how annoyed I am at the moment!

There's been a lot of Roger love--well deserved I might add. I have even contributed to the Roger love, and will again as long as he doesn't wear that gold trimmed outfit again or sob after somebody has his number like Rafa did there for a while, and it will happen sooner or later.

who is this you all? I don't go on about other players.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Well, why aren't you telling the people defending Roger you get the point about him being a sensitive guy? :lol:

Because your postings are longer & pettier & more repetitive than theirs.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:38 PM
who is this you all? I don't go on about other players.

REally? You've never criticized another player? It's all about the positive for you..

Good to know..

But I'm just talking in general--not necessarily refering to anyone specifically.

Parting is such sweet sorrow. But I cannot stay in a thread where I am not wanted.

I shall go on to the other threads...when I have the time and the interest.

Thank you for your time. :lol: :wavey:

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 02:41 PM
Because your postings are longer & pettier & more repetitive than theirs.

Tisk, tisk...

You are losing control I guess the apple(s) don't fall that far from the tree!

I'm just playin'! Don't get your panties in a bunch!

icedevil0289
02-02-2010, 02:43 PM
REally? You've never criticized another player? It's all about the positive for you..

Good to know..

But I'm just talking in general--not necessarily refering to anyone specifically.

Parting is such sweet sorrow. But I cannot stay in a thread where I am not wanted.

I shall go on to the other threads...when I have the time and the interest.

Thank you for your time. :lol: :wavey:

well ofcourse I've criticized a player, and that includes roger, but I certainly don't go on and on about it.

Johnny Groove
02-02-2010, 03:02 PM
No, players didn't cry when they won slams back in the days.

I've watched quite a few slam finals from the 60s and 70s (up to 1979) and not once has anyone cried.

The usual procedure of events when a player won a slam back then was when the last point was done, they would jump up, throw their racquet about 50 feet into the air, hop over the net, shake the opponent's hand, and just have the biggest grin on their face as the press would spill out onto the court for interviews.

That's the way it should be.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 03:07 PM
Tisk, tisk...

You are losing control I guess the apple(s) don't fall that far from the tree!

I'm just playin'! Don't get your panties in a bunch!

I'm being remarkably restrained.

Corey Feldman
02-02-2010, 04:35 PM
get the hell over this already you bunch of arsewipes

ppl need to start realizing the diff between winning a GS final and losing it must feel considerable... therefore so is the reaction of winner/loser (look at roddick in Wim final, Murray yesterday.. even Nadal's face was hardly a picture after the 2nd Wim final he lost to Federer)

the man himself that mattered on that day, Nadal, didnt seem bothered about whether his limelight was being taken or whatever. only the tossers around the web seem to be annoyed their boy wasnt given the stage for himself and his coronation - like standing there with the trophy itself wasnt enough.

muppets

Johnny Groove
02-02-2010, 05:58 PM
get the hell over this already you bunch of arsewipes

ppl need to start realizing the diff between winning a GS final and losing it must feel considerable... therefore so is the reaction of winner/loser (look at roddick in Wim final, Murray yesterday.. even Nadal's face was hardly a picture after the 2nd Wim final he lost to Federer)

the man himself that mattered on that day, Nadal, didnt seem bothered about whether his limelight was being taken or whatever. only the tossers around the web seem to be annoyed their boy wasnt given the stage for himself and his coronation - like standing there with the trophy itself wasnt enough.

muppets

If Nadal cried like a bitch like Roger did at 09 AO during the 2007 Wimbledon trophy ceremony, you'd be singing a different tune, big boy.

Better to cry in the locker room alone than in front of the world, although neither are advisable.

SetSampras
02-02-2010, 06:01 PM
If Murray would show up to play come crunch time those would be tears of happiness not tears of disappointment because he fails to get the job done time and time again when it matters most.


To be honest though... Murray just doesnt have the weapons or the game to be some multiple time slam winner. Outside of Nadal only Djokovic and Del Potro have the tools. Unfortunately, one cant stay healthy and the other has confidence issues at this point in time.

Some guys will be all time greats. Others wont

serveandvolley80
02-02-2010, 06:20 PM
The world would be a much more manly place if there were more men like Rios, Pancho Gonzalez, Jimmy Connors, Jack Kramer, etc.

All manly men capable of keeping manhood in tact for all of us, they were heroes, now we have sensitive little flowers.

SetSampras
02-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Well Rios never won a slam. Murray should win at least 1-2

serveandvolley80
02-02-2010, 06:38 PM
Well Rios never won a slam. Murray should win at least 1-2

We are talking about crying, and manliness, not about being a champion.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 06:43 PM
The world would be a much more manly place if there were more men like Rios, Pancho Gonzalez, Jimmy Connors, Jack Kramer, etc.

All manly men capable of keeping manhood in tact for all of us, they were heroes, now we have sensitive little flowers.

We are talking about crying, and manliness, not about being a champion.

Whatever you say, Chuck Norris.
Do I sense some insecurities about ... ehm.... in your post?

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 06:46 PM
The world would be a much more manly place if there were more men like Rios, Pancho Gonzalez, Jimmy Connors, Jack Kramer, etc.

All manly men capable of keeping manhood in tact for all of us, they were heroes, now we have sensitive little flowers.

I'd prefer it if Federer did trash-talking a la Gonzales & Connors &, for example, instead of crying, blamed the ridiculously slow surfaces whenever he lost to Nadal, pointing out the huge disparity in their ranking points and career achievements while doing so. It would spice things up in an amusing way. But I guess the whole soft power thing is smarter.

There is a more serious point about the feminization of society & stigmatizing of ordinary boyish behaviour at school & lack of masculine role models and inability of women to find satisfying relationships ("Where have all the real men gone?" - "Feminist idiots like you have turned them all into creeps, dearie"), but we probably shouldn't get into it, & Federer's behaviour is a symptom rather than a cause, & in itself, trivial.

serveandvolley80
02-02-2010, 06:50 PM
I'd prefer it if Federer did trash-talking a la Gonzales & Connors &, for example, instead of crying, blamed the ridiculously slow surfaces whenever he lost to Nadal, pointing out the huge disparity in their ranking points and career achievements while doing so. It would spice things up in an amusing way. But I guess the whole soft power thing is smarter.

There is a more serious point about the feminization of society & stigmatizing of ordinary boyish behaviour at school & lack of masculine role models and inability of women to find satisfying relationships ("Where have all the real men gone?" - "Feminist idiots like you have turned them all into creeps, dearie"), but we probably shouldn't get into it, & Federer's behaviour is a symptom rather than a cause, & in itself, trivial.

Do you really believe qualities like humbleness and respect are not for men?

Whatever you say, Chuck Norris.
Do I sense some insecurities about ... ehm.... in your post?

If Chuck Norris played tennis, after triple bageling Federer, he would drop kick him in the face so he would not have a chance to cry.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 07:08 PM
Do you really believe qualities like humbleness and respect are not for men?


There's a middle way between girliness & jerkery. Humility is a virtue of slaves and personally I find it annoying, except when it's pulled off in a wry, ironic, English way. At the other end of the spectrum, boasting is equally annoying & betrays insecurity. Obviously one should respect those who deserve it.

DrJules
02-02-2010, 07:29 PM
Players are human and show human vunerabilities.

Why do people make such an issue about it.

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Players are human and show human vunerabilities.

Why do people make such an issue about it.

I have an idea!

You know how John McEnroe makes fun of himself by doing all those commercials where he says, "You can't be serious,"?

Well... Roger can make a commercial where he's crying! :) Like maybe he's getting his car towed, and then he starts crying. :)
Or... somebody "punks" him--like Ashton Kutcher punked Justin Timberlake that one time.. and he started crying--you know when they were reposessing stuff in Justin's house and he started crying.

Somebody could do the same thing to Roger!:eek: They could pretend all of his trophies were stolen, then Roger would start crying! :)

That would be cool, right? :angel:

Roger could make even more money, and people would really like it if he made fun of himself!

partygirl
02-02-2010, 08:36 PM
I like it, it is good to see a man care about something no matter who is before him...especially because guys have become so good at hiding it. To their own detriment i think.


Better to cry in the locker room alone than in front of the world, although neither are advisable.

Corey Feldman
02-02-2010, 10:22 PM
If Nadal cried like a bitch like Roger did at 09 AO during the 2007 Wimbledon trophy ceremony, you'd be singing a different tune, big boy.

Better to cry in the locker room alone than in front of the world, although neither are advisable.it wouldnt harm Nadal to show a bit of emotion lately and stop wimping out of matches when he is getting blasted around.

at least Fed goes down with a bang when he loses thesedays.

r2473
02-02-2010, 10:32 PM
Some were just too stunned to know what to do:

http://www.jasonberns.com/images/Trophy_Gaudio_Exults2.JPG

And some laughed their asses off.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VQ8oNZx-qMU/Rx1DDzenbyI/AAAAAAAABPs/HQmL8F3k9r4/s400/3.jpg

BigJohn
02-02-2010, 11:20 PM
Whatever you say, Chuck Norris.
Do I sense some insecurities about ... ehm.... in your post?

I thought you were talking about his johnson.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 11:40 PM
I thought you were talking about his johnson.

Well what do you expect when people emphasize the importance of 'manliness' (whatever that may be :p) so much. ;)

GrosjeantheGreat
02-03-2010, 01:21 AM
The world would be a much more manly place if there were more men like Rios, Pancho Gonzalez, Jimmy Connors, Jack Kramer, etc.
Rios started to cry in a press conference over hiz girlfriend, but then pissed on someone in a swimming pool to compensate.

Is it any wonder zat Switzerland were neutral in ze war?

Sergeant: It's the fucking Nazis! Quick men, let's attack from the side. Soldier Federer I want you to back up...soldier Federer?
Federer: Ah...this is killing me.
Sergeant: Soldier Federer get a hold of yourself!
Federer: There's no need to shout! What is wrong with you? Can't you see I'm hurting?
Sergeant: Look soldier, we've got...
Federer: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Sergeant: Jesus, I need a real man out here! Officer Nadal?
Nadal: Nazis again, no? No problem.
*Takes out machine gun & takes off shirt*
And this time...it's personal...no?

Could happen.

Sunset of Age
02-03-2010, 01:22 AM
^^ :rolls:

Johnny Groove
02-03-2010, 01:53 AM
I like it, it is good to see a man care about something no matter who is before him...especially because guys have become so good at hiding it. To their own detriment i think.

A man can care about something in other ways than crying at a trophy ceremony.

If I lost an epic grand slam final, I'd love the game enough to know when the time to show restraint is.

The trophy ceremony is when the winner is on cloud 9 while the dejected loser still shows some form of professionalism and refrains from openly bawling.

it wouldnt harm Nadal to show a bit of emotion lately and stop wimping out of matches when he is getting blasted around.

at least Fed goes down with a bang when he loses thesedays.

Did you not see the 2009 final in Rotterdam? I as a fan am glad that he called it quits when he did. We didn't need to see another farce like that.

rolandgarros
02-03-2010, 01:55 AM
Yes

SetSampras
02-03-2010, 04:47 AM
Instead of crying Murray should have or should be DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Maybe developing a much more aggressive game, taking more risks and developing at the VERY LEAST a better 2nd serve than a high school player

serveandvolley80
02-03-2010, 05:49 AM
There's a middle way between girliness & jerkery. Humility is a virtue of slaves and personally I find it annoying, except when it's pulled off in a wry, ironic, English way. At the other end of the spectrum, boasting is equally annoying & betrays insecurity. Obviously one should respect those who deserve it.

Maybe its a cultural thing, but your attitude reeks of sexism, and how being humble and respectful is somehow a woman or girly thing to do, as in, now now smile, look pretty and be respectful while the man speaks his mind.

Where i was taught, you don't boast about your accomplishments like you are the greatest thing that ever lived, and you don't act like a sore loser, now that could be crying, or that could be not giving your opponent any credit.

It just seems you have a teenagers attitude of men having to be jerks somehow, is it to impress the ladies or what? because surely not all men are jerks, but we have to act like it? Whys that exactly?

Kolya
02-03-2010, 08:03 AM
I think players cry because they have allergies or must be a dusty day.

serveandvolley80
02-03-2010, 08:11 AM
I think players cry because they have allergies or must be a dusty day.

Roger is allergic to the runners up trophy.

acionescu
02-03-2010, 08:58 AM
He was very embarrassed. In fact, it was Rafa who said to him that it wasn't a big deal. And imho, Rafa is only one who should be allowed to cast a 'verdict' on what happened at that moment. If he didn't think it was much of a deal, then why should we?

Rafa can't be trust on the matter, he's much too biased ;) :p


Well yes. And how about Martina Hingins? Didn't she once even walk out of a trophy ceremony in tears, after having lost? That was... :o
(sorry can't remember the exact date or place anymore, but it happened in a GS final loss against Steffi Graf, if I'm not mistaken)

1999 RG final

Embarassing, really :o

scoobs
02-03-2010, 09:04 AM
Roland Garros 1999, both Agassi and Medvedev cried.
Murray cried in 2010

Roddick also cried in 2003

They both got it from Federer, in 2009 and 2003 respectively.

He got it from Ivanisevic in 2001
He got it from Sampras in 2000
He got it from Agassi and Medvedev in 1999
They got it from Hingis in 1999
She got it from Novotna in 1998 and 1993.

So blame Jana Novotna for the spread of the cryvirus.

Sophocles
02-03-2010, 09:24 AM
Sergeant: Jesus, I need a real man out here! Officer Nadal?
Nadal: Nazis again, no? No problem.
*Takes out machine gun & takes off shirt*
And this time...it's personal...no?

Could happen.

Good shit, EXCEPT Spain were ALSO neutral in the War and ruled by a Fascist regime that was never vulnerable to Nazi invasion in the way Switzerland was.

Sophocles
02-03-2010, 09:30 AM
Maybe its a cultural thing, but your attitude reeks of sexism, and how being humble and respectful is somehow a woman or girly thing to do, as in, now now smile, look pretty and be respectful while the man speaks his mind.

Where i was taught, you don't boast about your accomplishments like you are the greatest thing that ever lived, and you don't act like a sore loser, now that could be crying, or that could be not giving your opponent any credit.

It just seems you have a teenagers attitude of men having to be jerks somehow, is it to impress the ladies or what? because surely not all men are jerks, but we have to act like it? Whys that exactly?

Look, I don't even know what words like "sexism" mean. If it means the belief that men & women are different, that different characteristics suit different sexes, & that the sexes find different characteristics attractive, then I'm a sexist. Sue me.

Being humble is not the same as being respectful. The classic example of humbleness is Uriah Heep in David Copperfield (by Dickens). He has no respect for anybody. You may say his humbleness is obviously fake, but don't be so sure: he clearly has an inferiority complex about his origins that drives his malice towards his social (& moral) superiors.

As I said, there's a middle way between girliness & jerkery, & boasting is just as annoying as humility.

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-03-2010, 07:34 PM
Back in the 90s real men were grand slam finalists not like todays dancin pransin fairies such as Federer and Murray.

Federer crying after losing was the most negative publicity mens tennis could have got. Man Up!

Harmless
02-03-2010, 07:50 PM
Great thread. :lol:

Back in the 90s real men were grand slam finalists not like todays dancin pransin fairies such as Federer and Murray.

Federer crying after losing was the most negative publicity mens tennis could have got. Man Up!

Please explain your hypothetical reaction to Andy Murray wearing lime green bike spandex shorts and a blonde wig, and Rafael Nadal wearing short shorts, in a GS final in 2010. Thx.
Like Pete and Andre back in the day.

Manliness is a a very relative sociological term, old chap.

There's a reason why they always crop that pic. :p

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Great thread. :lol:



Please explain your hypothetical reaction to Andy Murray wearing lime green bike spandex shorts and a blonde wig, and Rafael Nadal wearing short shorts, in a GS final in 2010. Thx.
Like Pete and Andre back in the day.

Manliness is a a very relative sociological term, old chap.

There's a reason why they always crop that pic. :p

Fashion and clothing really dont define manliness. It is mental.

Put it this way if there was an emergency would you want a crybaby like Federer leading you or someone like the old champs. I know who I would pick.

Harmless
02-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Fashion and clothing really dont define manliness. It is mental.

Put it this way if there was an emergency would you want a crybaby like Federer leading you or someone like the old champs. I know who I would pick.
How about placing more energy and thought into your outfit than your performance? Or taking meth? Does that define manliness too? :D
Cause if yes Fergie is a total stud, no?

What do you consider to be manly traits in a human being?

Or Levy
02-03-2010, 08:13 PM
Rafa can't be trust on the matter, he's much too biased ;) :p



1999 RG final

Embarassing, really :o

She was 16 years old and was booed throughout the match.

paseo
02-04-2010, 02:07 AM
Sergeant: It's the fucking Nazis! Quick men, let's attack from the side. Soldier Federer I want you to back up...soldier Federer?
Federer: Ah...this is killing me.
Sergeant: Soldier Federer get a hold of yourself!
Federer: There's no need to shout! What is wrong with you? Can't you see I'm hurting?
Sergeant: Look soldier, we've got...
Federer: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Sergeant: Jesus, I need a real man out here! Officer Nadal?
Nadal: Nazis again, no? No problem.
*Takes out machine gun & takes off shirt*
And this time...it's personal...no?

Could happen.

:lol:

bokehlicious
02-04-2010, 07:11 AM
1999 RG final

Embarassing, really :o

Embarrassing really for a 16 year old girl to lose it when 15k people boo you for hours... She should have been shot for this... :rolleyes: :retard:

MariaV
02-04-2010, 07:23 AM
Embarrassing really for a 16 year old girl to lose it when 15k people boo you for hours... She should have been shot for this... :rolleyes: :retard:

Oh wow a Martina apologist. :D

activatethesmile
02-04-2010, 08:18 AM
I can't believe this thread.

Since when men can't cry? And even more so after enduring many grueling tests, many hardships, many sweat, many hard-work...

It's easy to say unflattering words to 'the crier' if all you can do is just sitting behind a computer or television, while all of the great athletes like Federer and Murray dueling it out with everything they've got. Such dedication, such spirit--of course people will be emotional when they finally win the whole thing (or coming close to winning it)

It's incredibly stupid, but I suppose the privilege of sitting on a comfy seat behind a computer in the Internet does tend to evoke stupidity from a lot of people.

Grow up. God, there's a lot of macho wannabe insecure people in here.

bokehlicious
02-04-2010, 08:38 AM
Oh wow a Martina apologist. :D

Oh wow, another Swiss bashing :D :zzz:

MariaV
02-04-2010, 08:54 AM
Oh wow, another Swiss bashing :D :zzz:

:kiss:
Are you an insecure macho wannabe? :D

bokehlicious
02-04-2010, 08:56 AM
:kiss:
Are you an insecure macho wannabe? :D

No, nothing wrong with men crying :shrug:

MariaV
02-04-2010, 09:01 AM
No, nothing wrong with men crying :shrug:

If you say so. :D :kiss:

2003
07-04-2011, 01:05 PM
Was suprising to see Nadal and Novak didnt cry today.

I wouldnt be suprised if Novak never breaks up..he just doesnt seem the kind.

Mind you it took Federer till 2006 AO, his 7th slam win, to really turn on the tap, so who knows. Will probably be when we least expect.

2003
06-10-2014, 04:16 AM
Bring back the real warriors like Mcenroe that never would have cried in victory or defeat.

Embarrassing watching Nadal cry.

Cloren
06-10-2014, 07:13 AM
I think Nadal has cried more than Fed now.

Navratil
06-10-2014, 07:19 AM
Crying is hot right now.

Sure - but not back then ;)

nadalfan2013
06-10-2014, 07:26 AM
Nadal has never cried. A few times it was his sweat. One time it was raining. And a few times he just sprayed some water all over his head cause it was hot, obviously the water went down his face.


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elpistolero7
06-10-2014, 07:33 AM
Well he is crying cause he is sad for Rogie.

Rogie not gonna be got for long no?

GOAT friend, Mr. Nadal.

2003
06-11-2014, 12:14 AM
Nadal has never cried. A few times it was his sweat. One time it was raining. And a few times he just sprayed some water all over his head cause it was hot, obviously the water went down his face.


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He wimped like a little baby after FO 2010, Wimbledon 2008 etc. Also cried in the locker room after 2007 Wimbledon schooling from Fed.