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Will Nadal ever win another GS?

NadalPhan
02-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Will he ever get back to 100 percent and will he ever win another major?

NadalPhan
02-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Discuss.

R.Federer
02-01-2010, 03:10 PM
The next one

SheepleBuster
02-01-2010, 03:12 PM
if he doesnt win one this year, he is done ;)

Audacity
02-01-2010, 03:12 PM
Lol.

Eden
02-01-2010, 03:12 PM
Please get real. Nadal's strongest surface is yet to come. It's not the first time he lost to a better player at the Australian Open. There's no need to write him off after a loss against Murray.

NadalPhan
02-01-2010, 03:13 PM
The next one

I hope so.

Dini
02-01-2010, 03:18 PM
Roland Garros this year.

NadalPhan
02-01-2010, 03:19 PM
Please get real. Nadal's strongest surface is yet to come. It's not the first time he lost to a better player at the Australian Open. There's no need to write him off after a loss against Murray.

You're right, but it seems like hes always battling some type of injury now. Many have said that his career will be over in 2 years, and it scares me that this may be a possibility.

enigma
02-01-2010, 03:19 PM
Roland Garros this year.

+2:worship:

HarryMan
02-01-2010, 03:24 PM
:spit:Overreaction at its finest. I am not saying he will win the next slam or the one after that or anything like that, but the fact that you ask whether he will ever will a GS title, is really funny. He lost to Murray who was playing excellent tennis and is a beast on hard courts, and he lost only in the quarters.

Let's see how things turn out, his play especially during the clay court season, and then we can talk about such things. However, never write him off.

Sophocles
02-01-2010, 03:26 PM
He's got a better chance than Hewitt or Roddick.

Eden
02-01-2010, 03:27 PM
You're right, but it seems like hes always battling some type of injury now. Many have said that his career will be over in 2 years, and it scares me that this may be a possibility.

At least he is cautious now and doesn't play the next tournaments. I don't know exactly but apparently he not only skips Rotterdam but also the Daviscup, right? Well, most of his fans didn't wanted that he would play Rotterdam in the first place anyway and it's not that he is really needed for the Daviscup because the Spanish team is going to win without him.

It's still a while to go until the French Open is being held. Rafa is the main favourite for the tournament there.

Persimmon
02-01-2010, 03:30 PM
French Open this year.

Mosquito3
02-01-2010, 03:55 PM
He will win some more Slams for sure but i guess he will never reach again the 2008 unhuman form (that was something like 130%, not only 100%). So he will have only few chances on hardcourts or grass but he's still the favourite on clay. That's my opinion.

Speed of Light
02-01-2010, 04:01 PM
Yes,logic suggests so....
2010 French open
2011 French open
2011 Wimbledon
2012 Australian open
2012 Wimbledon
2013 Australian open
2013 French open
2013 US open
2014 French open
2014 Wimbledon
2015 Australian open
2015 French open
2015 Wimbledon
2015 US open
as far as i can see....

Mosquito3
02-01-2010, 04:29 PM
Yes,logic suggests so....
2010 French open
2011 French open
2011 Wimbledon
2012 Australian open
2012 Wimbledon
2013 Australian open
2013 French open
2013 US open
2014 French open
2014 Wimbledon
2015 Australian open
2015 French open
2015 Wimbledon
2015 US open
as far as i can see....

:haha:

NadalPhan
02-01-2010, 05:03 PM
:haha:

Hey, it could happen. Says years ago, I would have done the same thing if someone told me Federer would win 16 slams by now. Look at him now.

Mjau!
02-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Rafa's fans make it out like he's in horrible form, but I actually thought Nadal played at a pretty high level at Doha and the AO. He has clearly raised his level since late -09. People have to realize that he never was a dominant force on HC even at his best, but merely one of several players capable of winning big titles. You wont find that many tournaments in which he played significantly better on hard than he has this year and even then he usually had to win some extremely tight matches. He's just a much better player on clay and wont even have to step it up to be extremely hard to stop at RG. That's if he stays healthy of course.

manuel84
02-01-2010, 05:12 PM
Fed, Delpo, Djoko and Davy will make him run, run, run even at his favorite GS event. He needs his knees healthy or.....

bizzle
02-01-2010, 05:14 PM
Will he ever get back to 100 percent and will he ever win another major?

He doesn't need to be at 100% to win RG

Everko
02-01-2010, 05:17 PM
nadal will continue to win RG at 50% if he needs too. Soderling the fluke was able to barely beat rafa at a 33% level.

HKz
02-01-2010, 05:19 PM
You're right, but it seems like hes always battling some type of injury now. Many have said that his career will be over in 2 years, and it scares me that this may be a possibility.

As if you think it can't possibly be a scenario? He is a beast on court, but he isn't a God here, he is obviously human after all. To think that this wasn't coming or that he can't retire from the game or not shoot down the rankings at any moment would be totally ignorant of you to do so. Being burnt out or plagued with injuries due to style of play has happened numerous times to many great players. Nadal is not an exception to this rule, in fact, he might be even more prone to it since the game has gotten more and more physical, and the way players push themselves in training and on court is more than ever before.

But I think Roland Garros might be a possibility for him to win. I would imagine his confidence is kind of shot right now seeing Federer regain the title, and seeing his ranking slip to 4. If it continues to slip and he continues to lose at Indian Wells/Miami, the clay court season will be very tough for him mentality. And if he doesn't have success before Roland Garros like he has been so used to since 2005, I really don't see him winning it again this year.

Hey, it could happen. Says years ago, I would have done the same thing if someone told me Federer would win 16 slams by now. Look at him now.

LMK when Nadal gets bionic legs.

Eden
02-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Rafa's fans make it out like he's in horrible form, but I actually thought Nadal played at a pretty high level at Doha and the AO. He has clearly raised his level since late -09..

That's what Rafa had to say after the match against Murray:


So I go out from this tournament very happy about my level because the perspective is much better right now than two or three months ago, no, when I lost in the Masters Cup. All the matches, in that matches, I didn't see one no way to play again my tennis. Now I am playing another time at my best level. Today I think was amazing match first two sets. Both, I think we played really well. And I have the chances.


Q. You were talking about your level of play today. When do you think you last played as confidently and as well as you were doing for the first two sets?

RAFAEL NADAL: I think last time was here last year.

Q. Here last year?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah. Because after that I played well few matches in Indian Wells. But after that started the pain. And after the pain, I didn't play bad, but far away from this level, no? I worked a lot at home. Lot of months working to play at this level now.

For sure for me is little bit disappointing have the pain on the knee because I think I am very close to start winning these important matches, no? And I think I gonna do soon.

Source:
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2010-01-26/201001261264509928453.html

Logical
02-01-2010, 05:24 PM
Roland Garros 2010
Wimbledon 2010
US open 2010
That much for this year.

Xristos
02-01-2010, 05:25 PM
French Open 2010 is his next Grand Slam win.

philosophicalarf
02-01-2010, 05:29 PM
If he's fit, he wins Roland Garros. There's a yawning gulf to anyone else - even way off form he's still too good.

r2473
02-01-2010, 06:02 PM
You can always tell what time of year it is by the MTF threads.

Nadal is finished = not clay season

Oops, I guess Nadal is God = Clay season has started


What amazes me is that this happens EVERY SINGLE PHUCKIN' YEAR.

SheepleBuster
02-01-2010, 06:23 PM
Yes,logic suggests so....
2010 French open
2011 French open
2011 Wimbledon
2012 Australian open
2012 Wimbledon
2013 Australian open
2013 French open
2013 US open
2014 French open
2014 Wimbledon
2015 Australian open
2015 French open
2015 Wimbledon
2015 US open
as far as i can see....

I got a bridge on the moon with a very nice view from both sides. Will you buy?

DrJules
02-01-2010, 06:35 PM
Depends so much on fitness.

He has been troubled with various injury problems for around 8 months.

To win another he does need a continuous injury free period.

Mosquito3
02-01-2010, 06:52 PM
:haha:

Hey, it could happen. Says years ago, I would have done the same thing if someone told me Federer would win 16 slams by now. Look at him now.

Yes sorry....it just made me laugh. Of course Nadal can do that! .....ops....again :haha:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
02-01-2010, 10:55 PM
A friend of mine works as an umpire at wheelchair tennis tournaments. Apparently there's this new guy on the circuit and he's been having some good results. Wheelchair tennis was quite a laid-back affair until this guy came along, but he’s really shaken things up. Most people only play for a couple of hours a week, but this guy was practicing 16 hours a day, 7 days a week when he started out. He got quite a few funny looks, my friend said.

Things really got interesting a month ago, when he got to the final of the annual local tournament. He was up against the number 1 seed – a guy who’s a bit of a show-off, tries a few wheelchair trickshots now and again. Most of the other wheelchair players worship him. Anyway, the new guy won the final. He kept wheeling away frantically at every shot. Even when the wheels had dug glaring red welts deep into his palms, he kept up his relentless, crazed wheeling. And eventually the number 1 seed started missing and choking.

Recently he dislocated his shoulder but it hasn’t stopped him entering tournaments. The intensity is still there, but he’s not the player he was. Having only one hand for both wheeling and holding the racquet is proving too much even for him. Someone asked the guy why he was still playing and wasn’t in hospital. Nobody quite caught the reply, as he has a heavy accent of some sort. Apparently it sounded a bit like “I still have one good arm, no?” And he’s still there on the practice courts before every tournament, 16 hours a day, every day. I’m told that the groundsman caught him wheeling round frantically at 6am one morning. The groundsman thought he was an escaped lunatic and called the police, but it was all resolved amicably.

I don’t know how he ended up in a wheelchair. I think it must have been some sort of horrific car accident. They say he has twenty broken bones in each leg, and that an X ray showed he had the bone structure of an 80-year old. I don’t know why he keeps on like this, it can’t be good for him.

BIGMARAT
02-01-2010, 10:58 PM
I would not write him off yet but his chances is getting slimmer.

Arkulari
02-02-2010, 12:55 AM
Roland Garros this year.

+3

luie
02-02-2010, 01:17 AM
No nadull is finito.Its been a year since he won a slam & he's been figured out .He is just cowering in fear @ the moment planning his retirement.

Bazooka
02-02-2010, 01:21 AM
So a guy that is around 50-1 in clay to best of 5, and is 23 old, is suposed to never win RG again?

He's the strong favourite there, and will be for a few years no matter what happens on hardcourts. If he peaks his game and is not unlucky, he may win something else too.

screenerluv
02-02-2010, 01:52 AM
No nadull is finito.Its been a year since he won a slam & he's been figured out .He is just cowering in fear @ the moment planning his retirement.

roger cowers in fear everytime he
sees rafa across the net. 7-13 will
do that to ya.:wavey:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 01:53 AM
+3

+4. If healthy, of course.

luie
02-02-2010, 02:01 AM
roger cowers in fear everytime he
sees rafa across the net. 7-13 will
do that to ya.:wavey:
Maybe but only on clay.
He is 5-4 off clay.:wavey:

screenerluv
02-02-2010, 02:05 AM
and 0-3 the last 3 slam finals they
contested. rafa owns roger.

luie
02-02-2010, 02:11 AM
and 0-3 the last 3 slam finals they
contested. rafa owns roger.
For now but its a pity he couldn't make a finals appearance in the last 4.I guess he is a shooting star burns brightly for a short time but burns out quickly unable to hold up his end off the rivalry when the Grand master alway keeps his.:angel: I really hope nadull deosn't end up a minor blimp on feds career.:sad: ala nalbandian,hewitt etc beat federer at slams for a short period but quickly faded into the sunset.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 02:14 AM
For now but its a pity he couldn't make a finals appearance in the last 4.I guess he is a shooting star burns brightly for a short time but burns out quickly unable to hold up his end off the rivalry why the Grand master alway keeps his.:angel: I really hope nadull deosn't end up a minor blimp on feds career.:sad: ala nalbandian,hewitt etc beat federer at slams for a short period but quickly faded into the sunset.

Rafa is already a LOT MORE than just some 'minor blimp' on Fed's resume. He's the holder of six GS titles already, a lot more than Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalbandian, and any other 'great' that happened to play along in Fed's era. He's withheld Federer of three CYGS already. That's no little feat at all. Give the guy the respect he deserves.
And btw, he's not done yet. At least I hope so.

leng jai
02-02-2010, 02:21 AM
Does anyone with any semblance of a brain think Nadull has no chance of winning another GS?

luie
02-02-2010, 02:26 AM
Rafa is already a LOT MORE than just some 'minor blimp' on Fed's resume. He's the holder of six GS titles already, a lot more than Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalbandian, and any other 'great' that happened to play along in Fed's era. He's withheld Federer of three CYGS already. That's no little feat at all. Give the guy the respect he deserves.
And btw, he's not done yet. At least I hope so.
He will have my respect if he continues to perform at the highest level against the new generation, if not while he may be more than a blimp to federer he will still be known as some-one unable to face real competition without a natural advantage..:sad: But knowing him and his team he they will continue to hide behind "injuries" and not face reality that the game is passing him by & his "prime" has been all of 8 months:sad:

paseo
02-02-2010, 02:32 AM
Yes, he will. RG2011.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 02:35 AM
He will have my respect if he continues to perform at the highest level against the new generation, if not while he may be more than a blimp to federer he will still be known as some-one unable to face real competition without a natural advantage..:sad: But knowing him and his team he they will continue to hide behind "injuries" and not face reality that the game is passing him by & his "prime" has been all of 8 months:sad:

So, do you think his current injury is 'fake'? Really? :eek:
Be sure a champion like Nadal would really want to defend his GS title with all that he's capable of. Apparently he wasn't at this AO, but I find suggestions of his injury being 'fake' truly ludricrous.
Ever thought about the possibility that he may well not have wanted to repeat his major mistake of the Rotterdam 2009-final, where he did play on till the bitter end, even eating a bagel - which might as well have cost him his knees and his capability to defend his RG and Wimbledon title later on in the year? I rather see my fav players retiring in a match than see them risking their possible injuries get even worse, even if such is considered 'Spartan' behaviour by some. Which I've never bought right from the start, btw.

luie
02-02-2010, 02:39 AM
So, do you think his current injury is 'fake'? Really? :eek:
Be sure a champion like Nadal would really want to defend his GS title with all that he's capable of. Apparently he wasn't at this AO, but I find suggestions of his injury being 'fake' truly ludricrous.
Ever thought about the possibility that he may well not have wanted to repeat his major mistake of the Rotterdam 2009-final, where he did play on till the bitter end, even eating a bagel - which might as well have cost him his knees and his capability to defend his RG and Wimbledon title later on in the year? I rather see my fav players retiring in a match than see them risking their possible injuries get even worse, even if such is considered 'Spartan' behaviour by some. Which I've never bought right from the start, btw.
Maybe his injury in the 3 set was real after he was humiliated in the first 2 but generally speaking all you hear from him is injury. So I'am a bit reluctant.However I give him the benefit of the doubt but I stand by what I said, he would have played on if it was a haas,gonzo,or lopez.

Mimi
02-02-2010, 04:28 AM
Maybe his injury in the 3 set was real after he was humiliated in the first 2 but generally speaking all you hear from him is injury. So I'am a bit reluctant.However I give him the benefit of the doubt but I stand by what I said, he would have played on if it was a haas,gonzo,or lopez.

well, if he is against haas, gozno or lopez, i don't think he will lose 2 sets to love ;)

CmonAussie
02-02-2010, 06:12 AM
...
...
Rafa`s injury worries are obviously real and a big worry, however if he can stay healthy during the clay court season then i`d think he`s 80% certain to reclaim his FO title! so i expect him to win atleast 7 slams, but beyond this year who knows>> depends on how he can manage his knees & or adapt his play style..!!

Langers
02-02-2010, 06:14 AM
Of course he will, stupid thread.

Patman
02-02-2010, 06:26 AM
Rafa is already a LOT MORE than just some 'minor blimp' on Fed's resume. He's the holder of six GS titles already, a lot more than Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalbandian, and any other 'great' that happened to play along in Fed's era. He's withheld Federer of three CYGS already. That's no little feat at all. Give the guy the respect he deserves.
And btw, he's not done yet. At least I hope so.

Actually, if he played anyone else besides Federer in some of those finals he probably would have lost. Making a living off of letting Federer take out everyone for you and coming in after to clean up isn't that big of a feat. ;)

Arkulari
02-02-2010, 06:29 AM
Actually, if he played anyone else besides Federer in some of those finals he probably would have lost. Making a living off of letting Federer take out everyone for you and coming in after to clean up isn't that big of a feat. ;)

http://i46.tinypic.com/f23pep.jpg

Puschkin
02-02-2010, 06:47 AM
? I rather see my fav players retiring in a match than see them risking their possible injuries get even worse, even if such is considered 'Spartan' behaviour by some. Which I've never bought right from the start, btw.
:yeah: I could not agree more.

To answer the question, of course he will.

kengyin
02-02-2010, 07:26 AM
yes he will, and pigs will fly

Patman
02-02-2010, 11:39 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/f23pep.jpg

It is true though. Kryptonite will beat Superman every time but that doesn't mean it is impressive, it is just a green rock.

Persimmon
02-02-2010, 03:39 PM
So a guy that is around 50-1 in clay to best of 5, and is 23 old, is suposed to never win RG again?

He's the strong favourite there, and will be for a few years no matter what happens on hardcourts. If he peaks his game and is not unlucky, he may win something else too.

Looking at your siggie, you really think Nadal will win 10 slams and 20 Masters Series? I don't see that happening.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 03:48 PM
Actually, if he played anyone else besides Federer in some of those finals he probably would have lost. Making a living off of letting Federer take out everyone for you and coming in after to clean up isn't that big of a feat. ;)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I just hope you're joking here. Give the guy the respect he deserves!

Looking at your siggie, you really think Nadal will win 10 slams and 20 Masters Series? I don't see that happening.

Well, if (a big IF, I agree) he gets back to being fit and all, why not? He's got 6 GS right now, 2 more RGs and perhaps 1 Wimbledon and 1 AO doesn't seem that far out to me. And he's got 15 Masters Series, well knowing there are three of them on clay each year where he should be able to take two at least (again, taking into conseration the major 'IF'), that job is attainable in some 2-3 years to come. Not even mentioning the fact that he does have a few Masters titles on HC, too.

It's funny. As soon as players are in a slump or having otherwise problems, they get written off immediately, whereas just one big title puts them right up there again. I now see quite a few folks thinking Federer will cash some 20+ GS titles, whereas just a year ago, a lot of the same people were even doubting he'd be able to break Sampras' record... Wow how things can change, fast. :cool:
Overreaction, much? :D

Goldenoldie
02-02-2010, 04:08 PM
So, do you think his current injury is 'fake'? Really? :eek:
Be sure a champion like Nadal would really want to defend his GS title with all that he's capable of. Apparently he wasn't at this AO, but I find suggestions of his injury being 'fake' truly ludricrous.
Ever thought about the possibility that he may well not have wanted to repeat his major mistake of the Rotterdam 2009-final, where he did play on till the bitter end, even eating a bagel - which might as well have cost him his knees and his capability to defend his RG and Wimbledon title later on in the year? I rather see my fav players retiring in a match than see them risking their possible injuries get even worse, even if such is considered 'Spartan' behaviour by some. Which I've never bought right from the start, btw.

He's admitted his mistake and learned from it! This makes him even more likely to win future slams. Proper scheduling and taking care of himself and there is no reason why more RG titles at least should not be his for the taking.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 04:13 PM
He's admitted his mistake and learned from it! This makes him even more likely to win future slams. Proper scheduling and taking care of himself and there is no reason why more RG titles at least should not be his for the taking.

Exactly. Better late than never! :D
Still we can only hope for him that the damage hasn't yet already been fully done. :scared:

LinkMage
02-02-2010, 04:14 PM
RG 2010 :yawn: :zzz:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 04:16 PM
RG 2010 :yawn: :zzz:

Are going all-out in jinx betting again there, Linky? :eek:

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 04:47 PM
So, do you think his current injury is 'fake'? Really? :eek:
Be sure a champion like Nadal would really want to defend his GS title with all that he's capable of. Apparently he wasn't at this AO, but I find suggestions of his injury being 'fake' truly ludricrous.
Ever thought about the possibility that he may well not have wanted to repeat his major mistake of the Rotterdam 2009-final, where he did play on till the bitter end, even eating a bagel - which might as well have cost him his knees and his capability to defend his RG and Wimbledon title later on in the year? I rather see my fav players retiring in a match than see them risking their possible injuries get even worse, even if such is considered 'Spartan' behaviour by some. Which I've never bought right from the start, btw.

I don't think he was faking the injury. I just think he could have hung-in there in losing because he sure would have hung-in there if he'd had been winning. Rafa would have NEVER retired with "strained quadriceps" if he had be up 2 sets and 3-0 in the third against Murray. He would have called out the trainer and found a way to try to finish the match--if he had been winning. Now he may have retired in the 4th if the pain had gotten so severe, but there is no way he would have retired in the third--if he had been winning that close to the completion of the match.

But since he was losing anyway, he retired. I don't recall him even calling for the trainer to try and stay in the match, did he? I can't remember. I just recall him quitting.

It's just difficult to keep giving Rafa the benefit of the doubt. I know from personal experience knee problems can be a b***h. My criticism is that if had been winning, he would have stuck it out in the third unless he had some severe injury like a sprained ankle or torn ligament, something like that. So I don't understand--that close to the completion of the match why he didn't try a little harder to stay in it. :shrug:

I'm hoping he wins another grand slam. He's a young guy--a great champion. I enjoy watching him play. So I hope he can do it.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 05:05 PM
I don't think he was faking the injury. I just think he could have hung-in there in losing because he sure would have hung-in there if he'd had been winning. Rafa would have NEVER retired with "strained quadriceps" if he had be up 2 sets and 3-0 in the third against Murray. He would have called out the trainer and found a way to try to finish the match--if he had been winning. Now he may have retired in the 4th if the pain had gotten so severe, but there is no way he would have retired in the third--if he had been winning that close to the completion of the match.

Well of course we never know for sure, he might indeed have made a different decision if there was still any chance of him winning that match. But I do think that in the past he's had this tendency to keep on playing for too long and it might have cost him dearly in some occasions. If it's obvious that there is something hampering you badly and you're already behind 0-2 and a break, I don't see the problem in calling it quits. Especially not when you're as injury-prone as Rafa sadly seems to be.
A so-called 'Spartan' attitude might well be admirable, but not when it goes so far that I'd rather call it 'Stupid'.

But since he was losing anyway, he retired. I don't recall him even calling for the trainer to try and stay in the match, did he? I can't remember. I just recall him quitting.

Well I haven't seen the match myself, but friends kept me informed by texting me all the time, and they said that Rafa called the trainer/physio somewhere in the beginning of the 3rd set (I guess at 0-2). He played on for one more game and then called it quits. As far as I know.

It's just difficult to keep giving Rafa the benefit of the doubt. I know from personal experience knee problems can be a b***h. My criticism is that if had been winning, he would have stuck it out in the third unless he had some severe injury like a sprained ankle or torn ligament, something like that. So I don't understand--that close to the completion of the match why he didn't try a little harder to stay in it. :shrug:

At times it's rather difficult to give any player the benefit of the doubt in such occasions, but I rather do so, especially when it comes to Rafa. It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'-situation. Of course, people might indeed claim that he - or any other player in that same situation - should have played on. But what if it would turn out that he'd severely have aggrevated that injury, and ends up being injured for a longer period of time? In that case, people would call him out for being stupid for making the situation worse by playing on... :shrug:

I'm hoping he wins another grand slam. He's a young guy--a great champion. I enjoy watching him play. So I hope he can do it.

Yep, me too. I do have my doubts though... :scared:

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Well of course we never know for sure, he might indeed have made a different decision if there was still any chance of him winning that match. But I do think that in the past he's had this tendency to keep on playing for too long and it might have cost him dearly in some occasions. If it's obvious that there is something hampering you badly and you're already behind 0-2 and a break, I don't see the problem in calling it quits. Especially not when you're as injury-prone as Rafa sadly seems to be.
A so-called 'Spartan' attitude might well be admirable, but not when it goes so far that I'd rather call it 'Stupid'.



Well I haven't seen the match myself, but friends kept me informed by texting me all the time, and they said that Rafa called the trainer/physio somewhere in the beginning of the 3rd set (I guess at 0-2). He played on for one more game and then called it quits. As far as I know.



At times it's rather difficult to give any player the benefit of the doubt in such occasions, but I rather do so, especially when it comes to Rafa. It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'-situation. Of course, people might indeed claim that he - or any other player in that same situation - should have played on. But what if it would turn out that he'd severely have aggrevated that injury, and ends up being injured for a longer period of time? In that case, people would call him out for being stupid for making the situation worse by playing on... :shrug:



Yep, me too. I do have my doubts though... :scared:

Yeah, I can't recall about the trainer. It was all so sudden.

I understand retiring from a match due to a significant injury. But I'm not so sure Rafa's injury was significant enough to retire. He could have pulled-up a bit--just to finish the match. Of course, only he knows for sure. But a lot players play through injuries.

I think it was more the timing. Like I said, if he had been winning, he would NOT have retired that close to the end of the match. There were only three more games, so it looked like he didn't want to give Murray the satisfaction of beating him even though by retiring--he sent a message that he'd quit even with a minor injury. I'm not sure which message is worse! :lol: If his knees are that delicate, I'm just not sure if he's going to be able to recover to really compete well in again.

I dunno. It's a tough call.

Valdi
02-02-2010, 05:28 PM
another GS,sure..its quite possible, but Toni Nadal : piss off!

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 05:47 PM
Again... we just don't know, but I personally think this retirement was as justified as one can possibly be.

There were only three more games, so it looked like he didn't want to give Murray the satisfaction of beating him even though by retiring--he sent a message that he'd quit even with a minor injury.

Rafa and Murray are good friends, they have known each other from their early teens, so I highly doubt that 'not wanting to give Murray the satisfaction of beating him' had anything to do with this retirement of his. Moreover I don't think it's part of Rafa's character to even think about doing something like that, but of course that's a personal opinion merely based on what I read about him and which might indeed not be true.

If his knees are that delicate, I'm just not sure if he's going to be able to recover to really compete well in again.

That's exactly why I feel rather :scared: about his situation right now. I thought he'd come back early 2010 in full health, and in no-time, there's yet another new injury occuring. It shucks. :(

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Again... we just don't know, but I personally think this retirement was as justified as one can possibly be.



Rafa and Murray are good friends, they have known each other from their early teens, so I highly doubt that 'not wanting to give Murray the satisfaction of beating him' had anything to do with this retirement of his. Moreover I don't think it's part of Rafa's character to even think about doing something like that, but of course that's a personal opinion merely based on what I read about him and which might indeed not be true.



That's exactly why I feel rather :scared: about his situation right now. I thought he'd come back early 2010 in full health, and in no-time, there's yet another new injury occuring. It shucks. :(

I don't know. I think Rafa is a great guy... I do---just like I think Roger is a great guy believe it or not.

But I think Rafa...I dunno. I think he's having a difficult time losing. He was always this up and comer, right? I really think losing to Soderling at the French--a guy who gives him no respect--messed him up! :lol:

I think for Rafa if he retired from a match--particularly as defending champion of a grand slam is different mentally from Murray beating him. It's like Rafa is still in control if he retires from a match. I mean, there would be no question that he's injured--and possibly could have come-back if he'd been healthy. If he had stayed in there for three more games even injured, Murray would still have beaten him as defending champion. He would have been "beaten" for his title rather than giving it up. :shrug:

I dunno... The only grand slam title he outright lost as defending champion of a grand slam title was the French Open to his arch rival Soderling--and the crowd was cheering for Soderling. :eek: :shrug: Wimby he didn't even defend. And essentially, he didn't defend his AO title either. So he gave up two and lost one.

I don't think it's a conscious thing, but more a little subconscious like in his mind he still has the upper hand; it's just those darn knees! :lol:

That doesn't mean he's a bad person or anything. I just think he's having some trouble with more than just his knees, considering how everything happened last year.

Noleta
02-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Let's see how he does in the clay events leading to RG first,still think he can win more than one GS,if healty of course.

MachineGun
02-02-2010, 09:27 PM
Let's see how he will play during the clay season.
One thing is almost sure: if he doesn't win this year's French Open being fit, he is done. And I guess he would find another "injury".

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 09:48 PM
There is no reason to think his loss to Soderling last year was any different from Borg's loss to Panatta in 1976 or Sampras's to Krajicek at Wimbledon - a brief interruption to a long reign caused by a hot player who was a tough match-up.

DrJules
02-02-2010, 09:58 PM
There is no reason to think his loss to Soderling last year was any different from Borg's loss to Panatta in 1976 or Sampras's to Krajicek at Wimbledon - a brief interruption to a long reign caused by a hot player who was a tough match-up.

Borg and Sampras were not having the injury problems of Nadal. He missed Wimbledon with injury, missed events after US Open with injury and is missing events after AO with injury.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Borg and Sampras were not having the injury problems of Nadal. He missed Wimbledon with injury, missed events after US Open with injury and is missing events after AO with injury.

Exactly. A totally different situation. I don't want to attribute Nadal's loss to Söderling merely to injury problems (even if already lingering at that time, could well be), but looking back at the greater scheme of things, it's scary to see the bucketload of physical problems he's been having since that time.

Sophocles
02-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Borg and Sampras were not having the injury problems of Nadal. He missed Wimbledon with injury, missed events after US Open with injury and is missing events after AO with injury.

Fair point, but he's not the first player to miss a lot of events through injury. Didn't Safin miss most of 2003? Still came back to win a slam.

Sunset of Age
02-02-2010, 10:10 PM
Fair point, but he's not the first player to miss a lot of events through injury. Didn't Safin miss most of 2003? Still came back to win a slam.

Of course it's still well possible that Rafa will indeed come back to full strength, but I wouldn't compare his situation to Safin's in any way. Safin's injuries weren't caused by his gruesome style of playing and perhaps working too hard, it was more a matter of bad luck and LACK of physical training imho. Safin was never the most serious player out there, remember...

Harmless
02-02-2010, 10:43 PM
I think he'll come back to being the kind of player that most predicted him to be circa 2006/2007.
I doubt many have doubts that he is one of the finest clay court players ever, with a game perfectly crafted for P. Chatrier, and this is where his natural potential for success lies.
The extra energy that he had to put into hard court success took a lot out of him, and he's payed the price for that, but without the extra ambition he might have never known if he really can triumph on surfaces and in conditions most would have put past a typical clay courter.
On a psychological note, I would attribute that to Rafa's own ambitiousness and a desire to prove himself as not just a one trick blue-collar clay pony(particularly in the GOATerer era, with his perfect hair and ooooh, look :hearts: backhand, and all-court skills), but that's maybe beside the point right now.

My point is that hard isn't very natural for him, and to achieve what he has managed to, he had to put in more energy that he realistically had, which took away from his longevity. Now all that effort is winding down, and once his body is back to balance, he'll be back to being the clay courter that he was pictured as pre fast court success.
So for sure he'll win more RGs, and probably in an inspirational, hard-fought manner, but USO and AO titles seam unrealistic to me. I don't think he'll ever again be healthy enough to go that far out of his comfort zone unscathed.
I just look forward to seeing him play the clay tennis in his own way, which might be blue collar in comparison to Roger's grass skills to some, but it does demand an equal level of talent for the task at hand. My opinion, at least. :shrug:

All a long-winded way to say "Yes, he will".
:o

I wouldn't be writing this much if there was just a convenient poll I could click you know. :mad: :p

andylovesaustin
02-02-2010, 11:07 PM
Well, to compare didn't I read somewhere on here Hewitt was going to have to have hip surgery? So here Hewitt was hobbling around on a bad hip, but he didn't retire from at match at the AO, did he? Did he retire against Roger?

I'm just saying with Rafa... it's more than just his knees. I really think his confidence is shaken because he's had so much success for so long--particularly at the French. I think it was a huge shock for him to lose--to Soderling no less! :lol: And he was upset the crowd didn't support him. :lol: Didn't Uncle Toni pitch a fit or say something in the press?

I mean, he wasn't like Guga.. who no one had every heard of, right? Rafa was always a star in the making. So I think it's been a real learning curve be once the guy most everyone feared to now-- a shadow of his former self.

I think he might be able to come back if he can play with the type of abandon he once had. Part of it is his mobility. Part of it is not to be afraid of losing. For some reason he strikes me as afraid--ever since the French.

Arkulari
02-03-2010, 12:06 AM
andylovesaustin might have a point, Rafa shone almost since day one in the circuit, he was never really a journeyman and his slam success was pretty early in his career, he hasn't had any really bad times like most other players do and that's something that has hit his confidence pretty badly

Hopefully he can learn from this and come back stronger than ever :yeah:

Sunset of Age
02-03-2010, 12:36 AM
andylovesaustin might have a point, Rafa shone almost since day one in the circuit, he was never really a journeyman and his slam success was pretty early in his career, he hasn't had any really bad times like most other players do and that's something that has hit his confidence pretty badly

As you bring forth the fact that he's been on the tour since his teens already, there is another factor which might well play a role - after so many years on a player might get tired of it all, mentally more than physically I mean. Especially when the physical adversities start to come in at the rate which they apparently have done in Rafa's case the past year or so.

Hopefully he can learn from this and come back stronger than ever :yeah:

Yes - maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to take a longer break... but then that might well be a bad idea for his confidence. I really don't know, so much is obvious. I don't have a good feeling about it all.

Geez, I sound like some Doom Prophet or something. :help:
I hope I'm wrong about it all. :)

crude oil
02-03-2010, 04:57 AM
it will be interesting to see nadal's mental endurance if when he comes back, he gets beatdown by players. He has already spoken about how his confidence or "calm" as he calls it is not the same as it once was...

Bazooka
02-03-2010, 12:40 PM
Looking at your siggie, you really think Nadal will win 10 slams and 20 Masters Series? I don't see that happening.

Lol, 1 year ago I was almost called a Nadal hater because of my sig. It's a prediction, a long term thing, and doesn't make sense to change it everytime he loses/wins.

MariaV
02-03-2010, 12:53 PM
Well, to compare didn't I read somewhere on here Hewitt was going to have to have hip surgery? So here Hewitt was hobbling around on a bad hip, but he didn't retire from at match at the AO, did he? Did he retire against Roger?



Hewitt already had surgery.
Just wanted to clear it - Rafa had a tear in the knee (whatever the latin words are) and he asked the doctor during the medical timeout and the doctor said that if he played on it could get worse. Yes he could have stood the 3 games but that wouldn't have been pretty either. He said he was sorry and that usually he doesn't quit even when earning bagels. I guess Rafa had acute pain but with Hewitt's hip it was different. I don't want to justify Rafa or anything.

federersforehand
02-03-2010, 01:27 PM
nadull wimped out as usual when he gets spanked, its happened now about 8 or 9 times in his career. some 'matador of spain'.

play out your heavy losses for gods sake rafa

andylovesaustin
02-03-2010, 01:28 PM
Hewitt already had surgery.
Just wanted to clear it - Rafa had a tear in the knee (whatever the latin words are) and he asked the doctor during the medical timeout and the doctor said that if he played on it could get worse. Yes he could have stood the 3 games but that wouldn't have been pretty either. He said he was sorry and that usually he doesn't quit even when earning bagels. I guess Rafa had acute pain but with Hewitt's hip it was different. I don't want to justify Rafa or anything.

I thought I read Hewitt was going to have to have another surgery? Yeah, if you search the forum, there's an article about him being out for 3 months due to having another hip surgery after his loss to Roger at the 2010 AO. :shrug:

As far as Rafa, this is where his camp is a little shady. Yeah, I read about his "torn quadriceps."

A muscle strain IS a tear! There are different degrees or grades of strains. If Rafa's was the most severe, he'd require surgery and be out for a lot longer than a month. He's going to be out for a month at least, right? So it's probably a grade 1 or possibly grade 2 strain. My point is that he could have finished the match at least--and WOULD HAVE if he'd been winning because it's not like a torn ligament. :shrug:

federersforehand
02-03-2010, 01:35 PM
hewitts out for 2 months correct me wrong.

as for rafa well put, he just wimped out cos he got smacked around and knew he'd get bagelled and legitimately humiliated. murray looked fucking pissed that nadal retired and rightly so, he could see right through the charade on court and so could I

andylovesaustin
02-03-2010, 01:43 PM
hewitts out for 2 months correct me wrong.

as for rafa well put, he just wimped out cos he got smacked around and knew he'd get bagelled and legitimately humiliated. murray looked fucking pissed that nadal retired and rightly so, he could see right through the charade on court and so could I

Thanks. I found the article. The article said 3 months, but the bottom line is Hewitt's having surgery. I'm sure the guy was playing in pain.

And I agree about Andy's reaction. Andy's expression was "Yeah, right." To me, the retirement option is for extreme circumstances.
In other words, Rafa would have had to retire even while winning because he couldn't go-on.

No, Rafa could have finished that match even if he had to pull-up, and EVERYBODY knew it. He retired because he didn't want to lose to Murray outright.

All of that said, I just think Rafa has never been in this situation before, so he doesn't know how to deal with it.

I think he can come back if he can work through all this...

MariaV
02-03-2010, 01:45 PM
I thought I read Hewitt was going to have to have another surgery? Yeah, if you search the forum, there's an article about him being out for 3 months due to having another hip surgery after his loss to Roger at the 2010 AO. :shrug:

As far as Rafa, this is where his camp is a little shady. Yeah, I read about his "torn quadriceps."

A muscle strain IS a tear! There are different degrees or grades of strains. If Rafa's was the most severe, he'd require surgery and be out for a lot longer than a month. He's going to be out for a month at least, right? So it's probably a grade 1 or possibly grade 2 strain. My point is that he could have finished the match at least--and WOULD HAVE if he'd been winning because it's not like a torn ligament. :shrug:

Lleyton's presser if you haven't read:
After I finished the Australian Open, two days ago I had to go in and have hip surgery on my right hip. It's been causing a few problems since the Hopman Cup at the start of the year. Wasn't an easy decision to make, but one that I felt was necessary right at the moment, so...


http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2010-01-30/201001301264829563140.html
hewitts out for 2 months correct me wrong.

as for rafa well put, he just wimped out cos he got smacked around and knew he'd get bagelled and legitimately humiliated. murray looked fucking pissed that nadal retired and rightly so, he could see right through the charade on court and so could I

I don't think Murray cared tbh. :shrug: :p

andylovesaustin
02-03-2010, 01:48 PM
Lleyton's presser if you haven't read:


http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2010-01-30/201001301264829563140.html


I don't think Murray cared tbh. :shrug: :p

The point is Hewitt was playing on a bad hip during the AO.

He may have had surgery soon after his match with Roger, but during the match with Roger.. his hip was giving him trouble--and he somehow managed to finish the match without retiring.

In the long and short of it, a win is a win for Murray. But if you look at Murray's face...

When a player--particularly the defending champion "quits," during a match, it's not good. In certain circumstances there is no way around it. But a muscle strain isn't the type of injury to necessarily cause a player to quit. It might might cause him/her to lose, but not necessarily quit with only 3 games left.

MariaV
02-03-2010, 02:15 PM
The point is Hewitt was playing on a bad hip during the AO.

He may have had surgery soon after his match with Roger, but during the match with Roger.. his hip was giving him trouble--and he somehow managed to finish the match without retiring.

In the long and short of it, a win is a win for Murray. But if you look at Murray's face...

When a player--particularly the defending champion "quits," during a match, it's not good. In certain circumstances there is no way around it. But a muscle strain isn't the type of injury to necessarily cause a player to quit. It might might cause him/her to lose, but not necessarily quit with only 3 games left.

I mean I'm not even arguing with you, I just don't think it was such a big deal. Defending champ. :lol: Rafa was obvioulsy scared the knee could be very bad again, as I said he could've stood those 3 games but he chose not to, it was his decision. :shrug: I don't like retirements either but in this case I can understand Rafa's scare.

Lleyton had had it since Hopman Cup training in Perth.

Sunset of Age
02-03-2010, 02:47 PM
I mean I'm not even arguing with you, I just don't think it was such a big deal. Defending champ. :lol: Rafa was obvioulsy scared the knee could be very bad again, as I said he could've stood those 3 games but he chose not to, it was his decision. :shrug: I don't like retirements either but in this case I can understand Rafa's scare.

+1. Seems a very sensible and justified decision for Rafa to make. I'm glad he did!

andylovesaustin
02-03-2010, 03:06 PM
I mean I'm not even arguing with you, I just don't think it was such a big deal. Defending champ. :lol: Rafa was obvioulsy scared the knee could be very bad again, as I said he could've stood those 3 games but he chose not to, it was his decision. :shrug: I don't like retirements either but in this case I can understand Rafa's scare.

Lleyton had had it since Hopman Cup training in Perth.

And Rafa has had knee problems for how long now? For sure since Wimby where he didn't even defend his title? Was he also struggling with his knees at the French during his loss to Soderling?

I'm not "arguing" with you either any more than your "arguing" with me! :lol: You just don't agree with me--which is fine. :lol: Can you handle the fact I just don't agree with you (or Bonnie the Cat)? :wavey: I'm just giving an opinion, and backing it up just like you all are giving your opinions. You stated Hewitt had already had surgery--but he had his second one after the AO. I just clarified your point and the time line because your original statement was confusing :)

Rafa's retirement may appear to be a "sensible" decision, but not for the reasons some of you have suggested! ;) :rolls:

And I would agree though in the long-run, it's really not all that serious as long as he can work through his problems--mental, physical, or both. It just remains to be seen if he'll be able to do it.

I'm hoping for the best.

Sophocles
02-03-2010, 03:17 PM
Nadal was sensible to act on the trainer's advice & retire. End of discussion.

andylovesaustin
02-03-2010, 04:36 PM
Nadal was sensible to act on the trainer's advice & retire. End of discussion.

The "trainer" told him to retire? :rolls:

Well alrighty then! End of discussion. ;)

P.S. I repeat: I wonder if Rafa would have taken the "trainer's" advice if he'd been up two sets and 3-love in the third and suffered a quadricep strain?

Torn ligament>muscle strain.

MariaV
02-03-2010, 06:41 PM
The trainer advised him to stop. :p

And Rafa has had knee problems for how long now? For sure since Wimby where he didn't even defend his title? Was he also struggling with his knees at the French during his loss to Soderling?

I'm not "arguing" with you either any more than your "arguing" with me! :lol: You just don't agree with me--which is fine. :lol: Can you handle the fact I just don't agree with you (or Bonnie the Cat)? :wavey: I'm just giving an opinion, and backing it up just like you all are giving your opinions. You stated Hewitt had already had surgery--but he had his second one after the AO. I just clarified your point and the time line because your original statement was confusing :)

Rafa's retirement may appear to be a "sensible" decision, but not for the reasons some of you have suggested! ;) :rolls:

And I would agree though in the long-run, it's really not all that serious as long as he can work through his problems--mental, physical, or both. It just remains to be seen if he'll be able to do it.

I'm hoping for the best.

I understand your POV, you're sure entitled to your different opinion in this case as Rafa sure could have finished the match, this time he simply chose not to. I understand some people don't like it.
Oh, and I meant Hewitt's surgery after the AO, it was also his decision, if you read his presser. :p He could've avoided it but decided to do it.
Take care! :wavey:

paseo
02-04-2010, 12:32 AM
No doubt Nadal was in pain and losing makes it feel more painful. It's a psychological thing. His retirement was normal. Nadal is not a Sparta warrior like his blind fans make him out to be.

MariaV
02-04-2010, 08:26 AM
No doubt Nadal was in pain and losing makes it feel more painful. It's a psychological thing. His retirement was normal. Nadal is not a Sparta warrior like his blind fans make him out to be.

Well, one blind fan (or maybe a few, I don't know how many supporters RFK got here. :o)

saniapower
02-04-2010, 11:41 AM
Yes

saniapower
02-04-2010, 11:42 AM
At RG

Olorin
02-04-2010, 12:00 PM
Nadal will get knocked out of RG 2010 in the 4th round by Toad. Djoko will face Federer in the finals only to retire due to being stung by a bee on the court. You heard it here first !

madmax
02-04-2010, 12:13 PM
Nope - he's done and dusted...stick a fork in him

andylovesaustin
02-04-2010, 01:42 PM
The trainer advised him to stop. :p



I understand your POV, you're sure entitled to your different opinion in this case as Rafa sure could have finished the match, this time he simply chose not to. I understand some people don't like it.
Oh, and I meant Hewitt's surgery after the AO, it was also his decision, if you read his presser. :p He could've avoided it but decided to do it.
Take care! :wavey:

Oh so Hewitt's trainer didn't advise him to have the surgery? :rolls: It was Hewitt's decision, but it wasn't Nadal's decision to retire because the trainer "advised" him?

And I'm the one who's blind????!!!!!!!!! :lol: Get on outta here! I'm just telling you a "muscle strain" isn't USUALLY the type of injury to where a player would retire from a match with only 3 games left. He could have played it out... Who knows? Murray could have slipped and twisted his ankle to where he REALLY couldn't have continued--then RAFA would have had the match by default--had a day to rest his "strain" and come back.

Some of you all crack me up in your unwaivering defense of your favorite players. But if it's a player you don't like or respect, you're all over him/her..

Whatever floats your boat! :rolls:

You all are too funny!

JesusFederer
02-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Its possible that he wont. Having said that, he will be a threat at the FO for the next 2 or 3 years still. But not like he used to be. Both Roger and Potro can beat him there, as well as others like Soda has showed. I think hes gonna find it hard to win slams outside of the FO. Hes body is disintigrating on hard and the win at Wimby was pretty fluky with Roger being at an all time low. Nadal only picked up slams on Rogers worst surface and the other two was when Roger was at an all time low. Nadals days of scavanging is over.

MariaV
02-04-2010, 01:55 PM
Oh so Hewitt's trainer didn't advise him to have the surgery? :rolls: It was Hewitt's decision, but it wasn't Nadal's decision to retire because the trainer "advised" him?

And I'm the one who's blind????!!!!!!!!! :lol: Get on outta here! I'm just telling you a "muscle strain" isn't USUALLY the type of injury to where a player would retire from a match with only 3 games left. He could have played it out... Who knows? Murray could have slipped and twisted his ankle to where he REALLY couldn't have continued--then RAFA would have had the match by default--had a day to rest his "strain" and come back.

Some of you all crack me up in your unwaivering defense of your favorite players. But if it's a player you don't like or respect, you're all over him/her..

Whatever floats your boat! :rolls:

You all are too funny!

Didn't I just say in one of my previous posts that it was Nadal's decision? :scratch: :p Of course it was. What I'm saying simply is that I can understand why he decided to retire this time even though he of course could have played on. I'm not justifying him but I can understand his reasoning, he doesn't need me justifying him. :shrug:
And you must be blind not to see the difference from Hewitt's situation. Hewitt's hip was bothering him since Hopman Cup, he didn't have acute pain like Rafa. :p
But as I said, whatever floats your boat. You can keep on bashing him. :wavey:

andylovesaustin
02-04-2010, 02:10 PM
Didn't I just say in one of my previous posts that it was Nadal's decision? :scratch: :p Of course it was. What I'm saying simply is that I can understand why he decided to retire this time even though he of course could have played on. I'm not justifying him but I can understand his reasoning, he doesn't need me justifying him. :shrug:
And you must be blind not to see the difference from Hewitt's situation. Hewitt's hip was bothering him since Hopman Cup, he didn't have acute pain like Rafa. :p
But as I said, whatever floats your boat. You can keep on bashing him. :wavey:

Didn't I say Rafa's knees have been giving him trouble since the French?

Oh... now I'm bashing him? :rolleyes: Oh.. and I'm the one who's arguing.. :rolls:

Whatever...

The on-topic point I've also made MANY times, but you seem to ignore is that I hope he can back. I just think he's gonna have to work through some of this, and it might not be easy due to a variety of factors.

The end.:wavey:

That is all!

MariaV
02-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Didn't I say Rafa's knees have been giving him trouble since the French?

Oh... now I'm bashing him? :rolleyes: Oh.. and I'm the one who's arguing.. :rolls:

Whatever...

The on-topic point I've also made MANY times, but you seem to ignore is that I hope he can back. I just think he's gonna have to work through some of this, and it might not be easy due to a variety of factors.

The end.:wavey:

That is all!

This knee injury has nothing to do with the tendinitis from last year but Rafa didn't know it during the match after he had twisted his knee. :p
Sure his comeback might not be easy I agree.
Bye! :wavey:

Denaon
02-04-2010, 05:18 PM
I think he will..RG one more time :cool:

Orka_n
02-05-2010, 03:31 PM
Nadal is done... and this is hardly news.

saniapower
02-05-2010, 03:36 PM
Yesssssssssssssss

JesusFederer
02-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Nadal is done... and this is hardly news.

All that time he spent chasing the GOAT has wrecked his knees :o I just want him to win one more RG so Roger played in the era of teh clay GOAT.

Luinir
02-05-2010, 04:06 PM
Nadal is done... and this is hardly news.

Yes, Nadal is done. Soderling is a RG 2010 Champ.

Persimmon
02-05-2010, 04:07 PM
He will win 2 more.

gaitare
02-05-2010, 04:08 PM
One or two more.

marcRD
02-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Yes he will, 90% sure of that.

Blondie1985
02-05-2010, 04:46 PM
nope~~

Orka_n
02-05-2010, 05:16 PM
Yes, Nadal is done. Soderling is a RG 2010 Champ.Before you insult my intelligence, know this: The difference between me and most Nadulltards here is that I'm not delusional. I have never said I expect Soderling to win a slam. Though I don't consider it an impossibility.
Moonballer is finished in the slam-department, however. I have explained why a number of times in other threads. I don't have the energy to repeat myself.

freeandlonely
02-05-2010, 07:45 PM
RG 2010 :yawn: :zzz:

Would be really boring if so.

lessthanjake
02-06-2010, 06:00 AM
He isnt done, but I dont think he will get back to 2008 form. Thus, he is still the RG favorite (though not quite the prohibitive favorite he used to be) and is a decent contender at every other slam. I see him winning like 2 more slams.

Bazooka
02-06-2010, 08:57 AM
With the exception of the Masters Cup and Miami 09, it has been over a year that Nadal has either A) lost to the tournament runner-up, B) lost to the tournament winner, or C) won the title.

Honestly I think we are too used to the regularity of Federer and Nadal from the last years. You know, "normal" legends like Sampras, Agassi or Edberg were often defeated in 4R or QF of a slam during their peak and while they were #1. The only guy with a comparable regularity was maybe Lendl 1984-1987, and still he got a couple 4R eliminations. Please people, go back into perspective.

oranges
02-06-2010, 09:21 AM
Honestly I think we are too used to the regularity of Federer and Nadal from the last years. You know, "normal" legends like Sampras, Agassi or Edberg were often defeated in 4R or QF of a slam during their peak and while they were #1. The only guy with a comparable regularity was maybe Lendl 1984-1987, and still he got a couple 4R eliminations. Please people, go back into perspective.

Just for the sake of perspective
Edberg 1987 - 1993
AO W SF QF F SF F F
Wimbledon SF W F W SF QF SF
That's 7 years of top notch consistency in his favored slams. Throw in 2 USOs when he was actually No1. So much for "normal" legends

rocketassist
02-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Just for the sake of perspective
Edberg 1987 - 1993
AO W SF QF F SF F F
Wimbledon SF W F W SF QF SF
That's 7 years of top notch consistency in his favored slams. Throw in 2 USOs when he was actually No1. So much for "normal" legends

Stefan :yeah:

As good as any legend of the game in achievements and style.

Allez
02-06-2010, 09:01 PM
Its possible that he wont. Having said that, he will be a threat at the FO for the next 2 or 3 years still. But not like he used to be. Both Roger and Potro can beat him there, as well as others like Soda has showed. I think hes gonna find it hard to win slams outside of the FO. Hes body is disintigrating on hard and the win at Wimby was pretty fluky with Roger being at an all time low. Nadal only picked up slams on Rogers worst surface and the other two was when Roger was at an all time low. Nadals days of scavanging is over.

Why was Rogi @ an all time low @ the Aussie '09 ? He'd just won the Olympics double gold AND the USO :rolleyes: Rafa will still be hard to beat at the french open. Rogi doesn't play the way Soda played against Rafa last year. Nadal will run him down. Potro doesn't have the patience. He could blitz Nadal for one or two sets but that's it. Nadal is only 23 years old. He still has another 5 years of playing top quality tennis IF he fixes his schedule. I predict he will wind up with 12 slams which will make Rogi's achievements all the more remarkable. I want both guys to do well and for their achievements to prove this indeed is the greatest era in modern tennis....:wavey:

Johnny Groove
02-06-2010, 09:17 PM
If Nadal learns to volley, he might be able to both win slams and maybe play to 29.

Nidhogg
02-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Nadal can volley. His technique isn't great, but most of the time he knows where to place the ball. It's more a case of knowing when and how to come in, as it doesn't come natural to him.

Commander Data
02-06-2010, 10:30 PM
Nadal to win 2 more RG if his knees allow him to play close to normal level. His outside RG Slam victories are over.

SheepleBuster
02-06-2010, 10:34 PM
I think Nadal's going to be the next Davydenko. Winning plenty of smaller tournaments but his body failing on him in grand slams. It's sad to see but hey. He still has that Van Gogh paining which is more than a lot of us will ever have ;)