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AO 2010 Final WWW: Federer vs Murray

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LocoPorElTenis
01-29-2010, 10:14 AM
Vote and discuss

Arkulari
01-29-2010, 10:15 AM
hopefully Roger in 4, but I wouldn't be surprised if Murray took this

Byrd
01-29-2010, 10:16 AM
Either way in 4 or 5.

Daniel
01-29-2010, 10:17 AM
Roger in 3 sets

Mechlan
01-29-2010, 10:17 AM
Can't wait for this match, should be great and I won't be disappointed with the result either way, love watching these two.

LocoPorElTenis
01-29-2010, 10:18 AM
Murray in 5, but could go either way really.

RogerFan82
01-29-2010, 10:19 AM
Roger usually does not make too many shanks in night macthes. SO murray has to either outhit/hit through him (like DelPo in USO) or outlast him like Nadal did last year at the AO. Or hope that Federer serves poorly.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 10:20 AM
As others said, could go either way. Couldn't make a confident prediction.

Speed of Light
01-29-2010, 10:21 AM
Muggay to win and become the most despised one slam wonder ever known to the world.
Frauderer to loose and announce his unexpected retirement to everyone's amazement.
And overall a good day in the world of tennis.
Bookmark it.

rocketassist
01-29-2010, 10:21 AM
Head says Federer to turn up and poop the party in 4, heart wants Murray in 4.

MattJon
01-29-2010, 10:21 AM
Murray in 4, dropping the 3rd set.

HarryMan
01-29-2010, 10:23 AM
Federer should win in three. What ever I saw from Andy, won't cut it against Federer in this mode.

scarecrows
01-29-2010, 10:23 AM
tough to call, Murray surely has the weapons to beat Federer
He also has already got the experience of a GS final in which he got a good lesson to not repeat.
Federer needs to start like at 2008 US Open final. If he does that he'll be on track

Frufru
01-29-2010, 10:24 AM
Murray in 4. He is hungrier and more in-form player of the two. Fed will get frustrated by hard running Andy. :wavey:

Ace Pounder
01-29-2010, 10:25 AM
Federer in 4.

Dyraise
01-29-2010, 10:25 AM
Murray in four, maybe five.

Art&Soul
01-29-2010, 10:25 AM
Ninja Fed is so good at night so Fed in 3. when FedGod plays his best tennis then Muggay has no chance

Bilbo
01-29-2010, 10:26 AM
R. Federer in 4

Nidhogg
01-29-2010, 10:27 AM
This will be quite a different match for Rog compared to his semi. Andy will, unlike Jo, be fresh and confident in his belief that he can beat Rog from the start. It also helps to have a backhand.

Sean
01-29-2010, 10:27 AM
A.Murray 4 sets.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 10:29 AM
This will be quite a different match for Rog compared to his semi. Andy will, unlike Jo, be fresh and confident in his belief that he can beat Rog from the start. It also helps to have a backhand.

Precisely. Murray won't be dumping every second backhand in the middle of the net.

Federer was good tonight, but Tsonga's performance flattered him.

scoobs
01-29-2010, 10:30 AM
A very confident Roger in 4 sets.

Sean
01-29-2010, 10:30 AM
Precisely. Murray won't be dumping every second backhand in the middle of the net.

Federer was good tonight, but Tsonga's performance flattered him.

Fed did crap all tonight, longest rally was about 5 shots. It was a thonga error fest.

Federer&Hingis
01-29-2010, 10:31 AM
Roger in 3

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 10:33 AM
Great! the two best Players at the moment.

It is a coin toss. Tsonga match can't be used as indication. Murray will play Federer way more though.

Murray won't choke this time around. he is smart and in excellent form. He will make Federer earn it, play into Fed's weakness and try to outlast him.
Fed seems extremly relaxed, do not know how good that is. Fed is also in good form. Fed can't keep up with Murray consistency (Backhand.., Fed must take control of points. he will try to outhit Murray. He will only be able to do so if his timing is on and he goes for the winners, if so, Fed wins. if he comes out of the blocks halfarsed, he is done.

I strongly believe this will end in 4. who ever wins the 2nd set is gonna win. The match will be kinda controled, the player with the better day-form will gain the upper hand by end of 2nd set keep the upper hand.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 10:34 AM
I probably won't be watching as it's too nervous of a match for me but I hope Roger prolong's Andy's misery at this point.

yuiwer
01-29-2010, 10:34 AM
Rog in 3, obviously.

kengyin
01-29-2010, 10:34 AM
federer in 4

saniapower
01-29-2010, 10:35 AM
Murray in 5

bad gambler
01-29-2010, 10:36 AM
Federer won his first slam in his 17th slam appearance

I'm just trying to figure out how many slams Murray has played to date.

hmmm....

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 10:37 AM
That's BS saying that murray won't be nervous. It's not like he won his first grand slam. There will still be nerves. But if he serves well, he is going to be difficult to beat. At least easily. You never know. And the fact that people are saying that Federer won his first major in 17th try so Murray will do the same is absurd. Federer is a legend. Murray is a nobody. At least right now

Shirogane
01-29-2010, 10:37 AM
If Murray doesn't shit his pants I can see him winning in 4 or 5 sets.

freeandlonely
01-29-2010, 10:38 AM
Roger in 4.:unsure:

Voo de Mar
01-29-2010, 10:40 AM
I suppose Murray will have problems to win a set. I think Federer believes now more than ever to win Grand Slam after Nadal's collapse, if his idol Laver achieved it at 31 why Federer wouldn't at 29? Murray's only chances to beat Federer were in Davydenko and Tsonga's performances but they didn't knock up Federer. He'll be fresh and hungry on Sunday, and full of confidence after beating Murray in their last two meetings.

chalkdust
01-29-2010, 10:41 AM
Andy in 3.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 10:42 AM
loopsided poll. it reminds me of the one we had in the us open final...

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 10:43 AM
It's too funny reading some of the predictions, like Andy winning it in 3. I mean it's possible but highly improbable. Of course, when you look at the flag and past predictions, it's no wonder. I am sure he is going to dedicate his win, if he does win it, to any country but England.

EnriqueIG8
01-29-2010, 10:43 AM
I'm afraid Murray will take this in 4.

DorianGray7
01-29-2010, 10:43 AM
Andy in 3.

Wow, screw you dude.

Who actually thinks Murray can win in 3? WHO? yeah so piss off you tards.

rofe
01-29-2010, 10:44 AM
Murray edges Fed in 4.

latso
01-29-2010, 10:44 AM
ET in 3

no human can beat this

chalkdust
01-29-2010, 10:46 AM
I just wanted to even up the stats a little :). Part of the point of MTF is to piss people off by saying stupid things. People like to get angry so sometimes one just has to do the right thing.

saniapower
01-29-2010, 10:47 AM
Andy

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 10:47 AM
If Fed serves well, it's out of Murray's hands. It's that simple. But if the shankaton Fed shows up or the one in that first set against Davy, then it'll be a long night. Fed needs to end it in 4. I don't like his recent 5 setters in grand slam finals. First set will be very important for Fed, opposite to what he said in his post interview. If Fed wins the first, he is going to relax and things will be more dicey for Andy

Art&Soul
01-29-2010, 10:48 AM
Its a dream final and Ninja Rogi will WIN

a_boy
01-29-2010, 10:48 AM
I want to say Federer should win comfortably with this form, even though Jo wasn't great.

But these days, it's harder to judge Roger on his form before the finals. So I really don't have a gut feeling either way. I mean Roger absolutely destroyed Del Potro at this stage last year, serving incredibly, but then his first serve disappeared in the final against Nadal. It was kind of the same at Wimbledon, even though he won, because his groundstrokes were off, although his serve was on.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 10:50 AM
I want to say Federer should win comfortably with this form, even though Jo wasn't great.

But these days, it's harder to judge Roger on his form before the finals. So I really don't have a gut feeling either way. I mean Roger absolutely destroyed Del Potro at this stage last year, serving incredibly, but then his first serve disappeared in the final against Nadal. It was kind of the same at Wimbledon, even though he won, because his groundstrokes were off, although his serve was on.

no breeze and Fed should be OK. Nadal just makes Fed nervous. Murray is tough too but I don't think Roger respects him like he does Nadal. But lose the first set and it'd be hard for Roger to comeback

saniapower
01-29-2010, 10:50 AM
fed will not cry though

LinkMage
01-29-2010, 10:52 AM
Mugray in 4.

Fed tends to play like utter crap in GS finals these days, which is shocking to see since he once used to bring his best in finals.

The last GS final he played well was the 09 RG final, before that the 08 USO final.

Played like utter shit in his last 3 Wimbledon finals (barely beating Nadull in 07, disgracing himself against Nadull in 08, almost losing to his pigeon Robo Rod in 09), shit in his last USO final (choking against Del Mugtro), and shit in his last AO final (collapsing against Nadull).

latso
01-29-2010, 10:52 AM
Question - Who Will Win or who do we mugtards want to win?

Because the first question is absolutely retorical
the other is the basic description of MTF...

Andi-M
01-29-2010, 10:53 AM
Im proud of Murray no matter what. I think he can do it, but theres no shame if he dosent provided he puts in a credible performance.

I'll go for Andy in 4 :banana:

scoobs
01-29-2010, 10:53 AM
Federer won his first slam in his 17th slam appearance

I'm just trying to figure out how many slams Murray has played to date.

hmmm....
I don't understand why people think that is meaningful.

latso
01-29-2010, 10:53 AM
Mugray in 4.

Fed tends to play like utter crap in GS finals these days, which is shocking to see since he once used to bring his best in finals.

The last GS final he played well was the 09 RG final, before that the 08 USO final.

Played like utter shit in his last 3 Wimbledon finals, shit in his last USO final, and shit in his last AO final.
He was never as good as he is right now since USO 2008

Murray in 4? ROTFLMAO

Sophocles
01-29-2010, 10:54 AM
Too close to call. Federer with a slight edge.

latso
01-29-2010, 10:55 AM
a fresh Cilic would have sent Muzza home in last round already...

what are u guys talking about :confused:

bad gambler
01-29-2010, 10:55 AM
I don't understand why people think that is meaningful.

Who said it was meaningful? Just a nice coincidence

scoobs
01-29-2010, 10:57 AM
Who said it was meaningful? Just a nice coincidence
Only if he wins.

bad gambler
01-29-2010, 10:58 AM
Tough one to call. Murray well rested unlike when he played Federer in USO 2008 where he had to play 3 straight days preceding the final. Add a slam final experience he is better positioned than that time.

Either player in 4 sets as many have predicted, IMO Andrew wins on Sunday.

angry1
01-29-2010, 11:00 AM
I don't understand why people think that is meaningful.

It's only meaningful in pointing out the idiocy of writing Murray off completely,whatever his performance here.

Prior to the USO Murray was the most frequent choice to be the next number one,one horrendous display and he dropped to 4th or 5th.

If you can win 16 slams with an 0-16 start,it's surely possible you can win 1 or 2 with an 0-17 start.

vn01
01-29-2010, 11:01 AM
As I saw Federer's game today,I will say Roger in 4.But my heart wants Murray in 4 or 5

Nidhogg
01-29-2010, 11:05 AM
Both will look to put pressure on the other with the return. Murray will try to make Fed hit as many backhands as possible, while Fed will look to make Muzz's forehand pay. If Fed comes in he should obviously cover the CC pass most of the time and force Murray to come up with the goods DTL.

paseo
01-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Can't wait for this match. Fed in 4.

nanoman
01-29-2010, 11:25 AM
Murray has all the tools to trouble Fed. However if Fed rises to the occasion, which he rarely does nowadays, he should still clinch it.

DartMarcus
01-29-2010, 11:25 AM
Muggay to win and become the most despised one slam wonder ever known to the world.
Frauderer to loose and announce his unexpected retirement to everyone's amazement.
And overall a good day in the world of tennis.
Bookmark it.
It would be great, but unlikely to happen :sad:

Tripster
01-29-2010, 11:27 AM
loopsided poll. it reminds me of the one we had in the us open final...

That's right but I'd say Roger didn't care much about losing against Del Potro. Losing against Murray would piss him off, so he definitely has some extra motivation this time.

Fed in 4. But it's really hard to tell...

Persimmon
01-29-2010, 11:31 AM
Roger in 4.

Brick Top
01-29-2010, 11:45 AM
Murray

crude oil
01-29-2010, 11:46 AM
murray in 5.

would be pleasantly surprised if federer won though, but i think somehow fed will end up hadinng the match over even if in a winning position.

Jaz
01-29-2010, 11:49 AM
Heart says Roger in 3, but my head is saying Murray in 4.

Surely Murray will get his tactics right this time...

Corey Feldman
01-29-2010, 12:00 PM
Andy Murray in 4 tight sets

Federer=God
01-29-2010, 12:04 PM
Fed in four. Fed would need to have an off night to lose, and even then he could conceivably win. Could go either way, but if Fed plays like he did in the semi it won't be a contest.

cocrcici
01-29-2010, 12:07 PM
Ferray in....

malisha
01-29-2010, 12:19 PM
Andrew Murray in 4 sets

malisha
01-29-2010, 12:22 PM
Question - Who Will Win or who do we mugtards want to win?

Because the first question is absolutely retorical
the other is the basic description of MTF...

He was never as good as he is right now since USO 2008

Murray in 4? ROTFLMAO

a fresh Cilic would have sent Muzza home in last round already...

what are u guys talking about :confused:


you do look too confidant latso:p

keep your money in your pockets mate as Andrew is goint to win this tournament

jcempire
01-29-2010, 12:22 PM
6-4 5-7 6-4 6-0 Andy Murray 2010 AO champs

oz_boz
01-29-2010, 12:27 PM
Murray has always had the tools to beat even a good Federer, the difference now is that he has the experience needed to do it in a GS final. I say Murray in 4, scoreline something like jcempire suggests except for the bagel.

Olorin
01-29-2010, 12:37 PM
Murray is going to be nervous. Irrespective of whether he reached a GS final before. He has these massive expectations, AGAIN, on his part to seal the deal, the British people are expecting a new GS champ. These things can either work for a player or against a player.

In Murray's case, I don't think it's going to work to his advantage. Federer demolished Murry the last time they met (US Open 2008). I think it's safe to say that in GS events, Federer can deconstruct Murray's game without much effort.

It's possible he might lose, anything is possible, but the likelihood of this happening is very low. I don't see this time being any different. It's one thing to win/lose in a best of 3, but best of 5 in a grand slam is an entirely different story and I think Federer has this one in the bag, in my opinion.

I predict a straights set victory for Federer.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 12:41 PM
Murray is going to be nervous. Irrespective of whether he got a GS final before. Also, massive expectations, AGAIN, on his part to seal the deal. These things can either work for a player or against a player. In Murray's case, I think it's going to work to his disadvantage. Federer demolished Murry the last time they met (US Open 2008).

I don't see this being any different. It's one thing to lose in a best of 3, but best of 5 in a grand slam is an entirely different story and I think Federer has this one in the bag, in my opinion.

I don't think Murray has much pressure considering that most are expecting a Fed victory.

In fact, he has a lot to win and little to lose from the media/fans standpoint:

If he loses, there's no shame because he lost to the Greatest of all Time in a GS Final.
If he wins, he's awesome because he beat the Greatest of all Time in a GS Final.

Moreover, unlike what happened in his first GS final in New York, in this one he's more experienced and has more time to assimilate the experience. Remember that in the USO Murray had to play the final the day after having played his semi. Now he has 2 days to recover physically and more importantly to prepare himself mentally for the encounter. I'm sure he'll be ready to give his best and won't give up any point.

ClaudiuS
01-29-2010, 12:46 PM
Federer in 4 sets.

R.Federer
01-29-2010, 12:51 PM
I still think that, despite huge improvements, in a very long and tense 5 setter, it's the younger guy's physical that will give up.

If it is relatively short and efficient, I say 50-50. If it goes to five, I'm giving the Federer a 70-30 odds to win.

COME ON ROGER FED!
#16 .... !

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 12:52 PM
6-4 5-7 6-4 6-0 Andy Murray 2010 AO champs

that scoreline should get you banned ;)

Olorin
01-29-2010, 12:52 PM
Nah, I imagine in Murray's mind, that's not the case at all. He WANTS to win a GS more than anyone else, the British people WANT him to win a title and will not be content with anything less than a victory, come Sunday. He will be chastised, AGAIN, if he loses, you think he wants that to happen, AGAIN ?

In my opinion, it's not like Murray's a clean slate with no expectations for a win. The fact that he managed to get to another GS final is amazing. But these things don't happen regularly, especially for Murray, heck, it may never happen again in his career for all we know.

All I'm saying is that the occasion most likely is going to get to Murray. A single GS final is not enough experience to figure out someone of Fed's caliber on the court. In my opinion, of course.

R.Federer
01-29-2010, 12:53 PM
The more relevant poll is:

Federer will cry tears of joy on Sunday

Federer will cry tears of other types on Sunday

Xristos
01-29-2010, 12:55 PM
Fed in 4.

andrewy
01-29-2010, 12:55 PM
I`m so upset Cilic beat Roddick maybe we had another final Roddick- Federer today but this is tennis. Anyway my favorite in this match will be Murray and i think he can beat Federer, he played well so far. Federer may be in trouble in final.

brithater
01-29-2010, 12:59 PM
Hard one to pick after seeing the US Open final. Will Federer bring his best tennis? Will Murray hold it together mentally? Will Roger go after the match or will he approach it waiting for Andy to colapse. I am pulling for Andy because it is better for the Game but Roger is the overwhelming Favorite. If Andy wins this it will be an upset.

Yves.
01-29-2010, 01:02 PM
Federer in max 4, he impressed me today.

Alley-oop
01-29-2010, 01:02 PM
Fedex in 4

Goldenoldie
01-29-2010, 01:02 PM
I'm hoping for Federer's brain to go walkabout, as it does a bit more often these days. A focussed Federer should still beat Murray 9/10 in slams, but Murray is getting better and Federer is not.

I won't watch the match live (I'll be at church), but I wouldn't have done anyway. I'll record it so I can fast forward and skip chunks if Murray is getting thrashed, but if he's winning I can replay the best bits.

I know this is being a wimp, but at my age I have to watch my blood pressure, and the first set v. Cilic nearly killed me!!:D

Olorin
01-29-2010, 01:04 PM
I am pulling for Andy because it is better for the Game but Roger is the overwhelming Favorite.

With a name like yours, I wouldn't expect any support at all for Andy Murray. And what the fuck with 'it's better for the Game' ? Tennis loses if Murray wins.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Hard one to pick after seeing the US Open final. Will Federer bring his best tennis? Will Murray hold it together mentally? Will Roger go after the match or will he approach it waiting for Andy to colapse. I am pulling for Andy because it is better for the Game but Roger is the overwhelming Favorite. If Andy wins this it will be an upset.

Is it better for the game or just so happens to have you have scotland's flag on your profile? I am just curious. What a hypocrite. Better for the game my behind.

MurrayFan1
01-29-2010, 01:08 PM
Head says Federer in 4, heart says Murray in 3. So gutted that I have to work through this.

Yves.
01-29-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm hoping for Federer's brain to go walkabout, as it does a bit more often these days. A focussed Federer should still beat Murray 9/10 in slams, but Murray is getting better and Federer is not.

I won't watch the match live (I'll be at church), but I wouldn't have done anyway. I'll record it so I can fast forward and skip chunks if Murray is getting thrashed, but if he's winning I can replay the best bits.

I know this is being a wimp, but at my age I have to watch my blood pressure, and the first set v. Cilic nearly killed me!!:D

Church is more important than Federer :confused: GodFed should be your Lord!

brithater
01-29-2010, 01:18 PM
Is it better for the game or just so happens to have you have scotland's flag on your profile? I am just curious. What a hypocrite. Better for the game my behind.

The flag in my profile is a result of complete idiocracy on this board adn has nothing to to with anything tennis related. As for what is best for the game.....the more guys out there that have the belief that they can win a major the better tennis is. Its not that I want Roger to loose or Andy to win. I just want there to be a real challenge for the top players. Many have the game but few have the confidence. I would like to see Andy win Wimbledon though since he is somewhat British and its been like 1000 years. Its nice to see countryman win their home slams. Like Rafter and Hewitt. The biggest regret I have for them was not winning Australia.

Andy wins = Good for tennis
Andy looses = Bad for tennis

MrChopin
01-29-2010, 01:21 PM
I think Fed in 4, but I hope only to see them both bring their best. Murray winning would be just as fine for me. Fed's first serve vs. Murray's return will be the deciding factor.

chalkdust
01-29-2010, 01:23 PM
I really think Andy will have a good mentality in this match - fairly relaxed, ready to do battle mentally and physically, and with a few ideas about how to disrupt Roger's game. Roger is not infallible and, as we have seen before, can be inconsistent and miss a lot of balls. Murray is definitely one player who can sow a few seeds of doubt.

Having said that, Roger may not miss much anyway. Obviously, the first set will be huge. I think Andy will probably have to go hard on his first serve and he needs to do better than he normally does with that, percentage-wise but also just in game-by-game consistency. Often with Andy he can hit three aces one game and then not make a first serve in the next game - until maybe at 0-40 or something. He just can't afford to lose focus/faith in his service games, especially in the first set. On the other side, he really needs to climb all over Roger's serve, which won't be possible if Roger serves well. If Andy is feeling like he can get into three of Roger's service games per set, he will feel less anxiety on his own serve. Not sure what Andy will do with his second serve - that will be interesting. Probably he should mix high-risk and low-risk, depending on how well Roger is returning.

Overall, despite my earlier prediction of Andy in 3, I just think Roger is looking too good right now and will probably win in 3 or 4 but Andy won't disgrace himself and will put up a decent fight. Really looking forward to this one, whatever happens!

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 01:29 PM
The flag in my profile is a result of complete idiocracy on this board adn has nothing to to with anything tennis related. As for what is best for the game.....the more guys out there that have the belief that they can win a major the better tennis is. Its not that I want Roger to loose or Andy to win. I just want there to be a real challenge for the top players. Many have the game but few have the confidence. I would like to see Andy win Wimbledon though since he is somewhat British and its been like 1000 years. Its nice to see countryman win their home slams. Like Rafter and Hewitt. The biggest regret I have for them was not winning Australia.

Andy wins = Good for tennis
Andy looses = Bad for tennis

Listen. That's your opinion. I just thought you were trying to make an excuse for wanting Murray to win because you are scottish. You understand where I am coming from right. It's like me saying that Roddick winning against Roger is good for tennis, but really wanting to say that I want him to win because he is American. Everything else is fair. Now if Roger gave me 1% of his winning prize, I'll be even a better supporter.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 01:30 PM
Loving the poll so far. People on MTF have short memories.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 01:30 PM
I think Fed in 4, but I hope only to see them both bring their best. Murray winning would be just as fine for me. Fed's first serve vs. Murray's return will be the deciding factor.

Did you get my PM? If so, did you manage to get the file to play ok?

SerenaFederer
01-29-2010, 01:31 PM
GOATFed in 3 plz...make it easy Fed I have church immediately afterwards and I don't want to be late :wavey:

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 01:33 PM
Loving the poll so far. People on MTF have short memories.

what you mean? as far as i remember they played one GS-final and that was won by Fed in 4. exactly what the poll favours :confused:

L James
01-29-2010, 01:34 PM
Toss a coin

Andi-M
01-29-2010, 01:34 PM
Sue Barker wins.

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 01:39 PM
Toss a coin

16 came up. :devil:

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 01:41 PM
GOATFed in 3 plz...make it easy Fed I have church immediately afterwards and I don't want to be late :wavey:

good to see that they are actually still people going to church. say hi to the pastor.

havent seen him in a while :o :angel:

Clydey
01-29-2010, 01:42 PM
what you mean? as far as i remember they played one GS-final and that was won by Fed in 4. exactly what the poll favours :confused:

I mean MTF members have a habit of only being able to remember the last match they witnessed. In other words, they have forgotten how Murray has been playing.

This isn't me suggesting that Murray will win the match. It's me stating that MTF is unbelievably fickle. Murray was the favourite for the title on MTF after the Nadal match. Fast forward four days and people are getting abuse for predicting a four sets win for Andy. :lol:

brithater
01-29-2010, 01:44 PM
Listen. That's your opinion. I just thought you were trying to make an excuse for wanting Murray to win because you are scottish. You understand where I am coming from right. It's like me saying that Roddick winning against Roger is good for tennis, but really wanting to say that I want him to win because he is American. Everything else is fair. Now if Roger gave me 1% of his winning prize, I'll be even a better supporter.


+1. I here ya and completely understand what you are saying. I think you understand where I am coming from as well now. Its not out of love for a paticular player more of a love for the game. With all the fanitis that goes on here maybe I would have been better off saying that its good for tennis when Guys beat Roger and win slams. That would have eliminated this confusion.

Oh...I am 100% pure American as well. Good on ya!

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 01:45 PM
I mean MTF members have a habit of only being able to remember the last match they witnessed. In other words, they have forgotten how Murray has been playing.

This isn't me suggesting that Murray will win the match. It's me stating that MTF is unbelievably fickle. Murray was the favourite for the title on MTF after the Nadal match. Fast forward four days and people are getting abuse for predicting a four sets win for Andy. :lol:

:lol: actually I know exactly what you mean.

Given Federer loses on sunday: he is done and should retire immediately for the sake of his fans

:haha:

I think this match is virtually unpredictable..

R.Federer
01-29-2010, 01:48 PM
I mean MTF members have a habit of only being able to remember the last match they witnessed. In other words, they have forgotten how Murray has been playing.

This isn't me suggesting that Murray will win the match. It's me stating that MTF is unbelievably fickle. Murray was the favourite for the title on MTF after the Nadal match. Fast forward four days and people are getting abuse for predicting a four sets win for Andy. :lol:

Well, it's not that simple as just how you are playing leading into the final. Being in 15 more slam finals brings something-- would you disagree? Their historical performance on rebound also matters. Their recent H2H also matters, not just historical. This is why Davydenko's betfair odds against Federer in the quarters were supremely good compared to one year ago. And 4 days ago, there was an expectation that Federer would be drawn into longer, more tiring matches before reaching the final.

In other words, expectations are not static. They evolve every day. That does not necessarily amount to fickle-dom. It can be extremely rational. Not that it necessarily is -- but nothing you have pointed at can separate the difference.

tennis2tennis
01-29-2010, 01:52 PM
interesting qoute from Roger on Swiss radio...

Do you think the pressure is one you as the winner of 15 majors?
No, I think the pressure's on Andy because I'm the winner of 15 majors.

R.Federer
01-29-2010, 01:56 PM
^ A little bit of gamesmanship on both sides going on. Both will feel pressure. Fed doesn't want to lose to Murr, who he is routinely uncharitable towards (toned down a little off late), and Murr is the last of the wannabes who has to make a show at a slam; plus, no love lost for Fed.

tennizen
01-29-2010, 01:59 PM
Murray in five:unsure:

Clydey
01-29-2010, 01:59 PM
Well, it's not that simple as just how you are playing leading into the final. Being in 15 more slam finals brings something-- would you disagree? Their historical performance on rebound also matters. Their recent H2H also matters, not just historical. This is why Davydenko's betfair odds against Federer in the quarters were supremely good compared to one year ago. And 4 days ago, there was an expectation that Federer would be drawn into longer, more tiring matches before reaching the final.

In other words, expectations are not static. They evolve every day. That does not necessarily amount to fickle-dom. It can be extremely rational. Not that it necessarily is -- but nothing you have pointed at can separate the difference.

That isn't what's going on here. We are talking about opinion changing completely over a four day period. Like I said, Murray was the MTF favourite after the Nadal match. Four days later, he is being written off completely. This has nothing to do with the USO 08 final, Federer's GS record, or his last two matches with Murray. The aforementioned factors were just as relevant four days ago, yet MTF had Murray as the favourite for the tournament. It has everything to do with MTF members' inability to remember anything beyond the immediate past.

I'll reiterate, I also think Federer is the favourite. However, I have no tolerance for people who have a memory like a goldfish.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 02:01 PM
:lol: actually I know exactly what you mean.

Given Federer loses on sunday: he is done and should retire immediately for the sake of his fans

:haha:

I think this match is virtually unpredictable..

That actually sums up precisely what I'm getting at. The "Federer should retire for his fans" nonsense is the most pure example of how fickle MTF can be.

tennisace
01-29-2010, 02:02 PM
Murray will win...SURE !!!

Yves.
01-29-2010, 02:03 PM
so many people not yet atheist :eek:

rhinooooo
01-29-2010, 02:04 PM
Tough one. Have a feeling Fed will do it. I think he's got too much aggressively for Andy. Muzza's serving especially on 2nd serve is going to be very important in this match.

Either way just hope we get a great match. Has been a pretty boring Slam so far.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 02:04 PM
On MTF, if fed loses he's washed up, done, finished, kapputt but then again if he wins, he's awesome, expected to win every slam until he retires.

Makes sense

brithater
01-29-2010, 02:06 PM
Going on the results of this tournamnet so far I would say the biggest nod to Roger was in the Davydenko match since it appears Roger was able to lift his game and moveing well againts a baseline rusher like Davy. He answered the big issues I had with him in terms of physicalities. The Tsongo match is Mute. Tsonga cant move.

Now with Murray the biggest feather in the cap looks to be the nadal match. It showed his versatility is good and he is playing well in big moments. The first set in that match answered some issues for me. The rest of the Match Andy played pretty well but it was nothing like set 1. Another answer is can Andy close out a big match. We were cheated that in the Nadal match.

Now we have the matchup. Day form, and Murrays confidence is a huge factor. Both will move well. Both will compete hard. How each player handles adapting to tactical changes is huge as well. If Roger plays like he did in the US Open final, and Andy stays focussed I think Andy will win. If Roger plays well and Andy is a little tight in big moments he will lose.

As far as a prediction I will go with Fed in 4. If it goes to five sets I go with Murray slightly. This is if they split sets. If someone goes 2 sets to love I think its over. I dont think either player is ready to come back from a whole like that.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 02:14 PM
Going on the results of this tournamnet so far I would say the biggest nod to Roger was in the Davydenko match since it appears Roger was able to lift his game and moveing well againts a baseline rusher like Davy. He answered the big issues I had with him in terms of physicalities. The Tsongo match is Mute. Tsonga cant move.

Now with Murray the biggest feather in the cap looks to be the nadal match. It showed his versatility is good and he is playing well in big moments. The first set in that match answered some issues for me. The rest of the Match Andy played pretty well but it was nothing like set 1. Another answer is can Andy close out a big match. We were cheated that in the Nadal match.

Now we have the matchup. Day form, and Murrays confidence is a huge factor. Both will move well. Both will compete hard. How each player handles adapting to tactical changes is huge as well. If Roger plays like he did in the US Open final, and Andy stays focussed I think Andy will win. If Roger plays well and Andy is a little tight in big moments he will lose.

As far as a prediction I will go with Fed in 4. If it goes to five sets I go with Murray slightly. This is if they split sets. If someone goes 2 sets to love I think its over. I dont think either player is ready to come back from a whole like that.

oh I don't know about that. Roger just kept the ball in play and let Davydenko do his thing, choke. :devil: It's a beautiful thing when someone talks a whole lot of smack and choke on it.If it goes to 5, Andy for sure. I just can't see Roger beating these young guys in the 5th set. Didn't happen against Nadal or Del Potro, and even Roddick was close to breaking him at Wimbledon.

phelbyn
01-29-2010, 02:17 PM
With the way Federer is playing, I think this one is in the bag. Federer in 4.

brithater
01-29-2010, 02:24 PM
oh I don't know about that. Roger just kept the ball in play and let Davydenko do his thing, choke. :devil: It's a beautiful thing when someone talks a whole lot of smack and choke on it.If it goes to 5, Andy for sure. I just can't see Roger beating these young guys in the 5th set. Didn't happen against Nadal or Del Potro, and even Roddick was close to breaking him at Wimbledon.

All excellent points. I honestly did not see the entire Davydenko match and What I did see was not live. Its almost impossible for me to get a read on a player when the outcome has been predetermined. I kind of have to be in the moment to really get a feel for how a player is handleing momentum shifts and pressure. I got the feeling he was moving well but its easy to be bias when you outcome of the match. This is why stats can sometimes be completely useless. There is no guage on momentum.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 02:26 PM
All excellent points. I honestly did not see the entire Davydenko match and What I did see was not live. Its almost impossible for me to get a read on a player when the outcome has been predetermined. I kind of have to be in the moment to really get a feel for how a player is handleing momentum shifts and pressure. I got the feeling he was moving well but its easy to be bias when you outcome of the match. This is why stats can sometimes be completely useless. There is no guage on momentum.

I kind of feel for Davydenko. He said he was not Paris Hilton but only Paris Hilton would lose such a lead and get bageled in the very next set.

fnuf7
01-29-2010, 02:26 PM
If he keeps his errors under control & has a good serving day then I think Roger will take it in 4 close sets but won't be shocked if Murray wins either, especially if he comes out & plays like he did against Rafa. Hoping for Federer win :D

Goldenoldie
01-29-2010, 02:26 PM
+1. I here ya and completely understand what you are saying. I think you understand where I am coming from as well now. Its not out of love for a paticular player more of a love for the game. With all the fanitis that goes on here maybe I would have been better off saying that its good for tennis when Guys beat Roger and win slams. That would have eliminated this confusion.

Oh...I am 100% pure American as well. Good on ya!

I wish you'd do everyone a favour and stop changing your flag. You're not bipolar, you're tripolar.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 02:29 PM
I still think that, despite huge improvements, in a very long and tense 5 setter, it's the younger guy's physical that will give up.

If it is relatively short and efficient, I say 50-50. If it goes to five, I'm giving the Federer a 70-30 odds to win.

COME ON ROGER FED!
#16 .... !

You think Federer can outlast Murray physically? Don't be stupid, that ugly bint can't even outlast Del Potro.

Surprisingly I'm going to say Andy in 4.

The people who are predicting a walk through for Federer know nothing, he serve is there for the taking against Andy, as is Andy's against him. There will be breaks, whoever is more consistent on their serve will win, and I fancy that to be Andy.

1st will be tight, Andy might edge it on the tie break.
2nd will go to Andy.
3rd to fed
4th to Andy.

That's my prediction, let's see how it turns out in reality.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 02:36 PM
^ A little bit of gamesmanship on both sides going on. Both will feel pressure. Fed doesn't want to lose to Murr, who he is routinely uncharitable towards (toned down a little off late), and Murr is the last of the wannabes who has to make a show at a slam; plus, no love lost for Fed.


How is Murray a wannabe? Please tell me? Fed is just pissed because he doesn't get to play Roddick in finals anymore. I love how people predict the final based on Federer's form against Tsonga. He anihillated Del potro int he quaters in 09, got battered by Nadal in the 09 final. The match will be tough for Andy, but I don't expect him to feel any pressure, he's very much the underdog. He should be the one who feels obligated to play for fun out there.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 02:40 PM
How is Murray a wannabe? Please tell me? Fed is just pissed because he doesn't get to play Roddick in finals anymore. I love how people predict the final based on Federer's form against Tsonga. He anihillated Del potro int he quaters in 09, got battered by Nadal in the 09 final. The match will be tough for Andy, but I don't expect him to feel any pressure, he's very much the underdog. He should be the one who feels obligated to play for fun out there.

You are right. Murray is a nobody. What has Murray done? Please man. Roger beat Nadal twice at Wimbledon. He has beaten Murray once already at US Open final. Don't tell me it's juts about Roddick. I wonder what you fanatics will do if Andy gets triple bageled. Not suggesting it will happen but I'll certainly celebrate if it did.

enigma
01-29-2010, 02:43 PM
muzza 4

brithater
01-29-2010, 02:44 PM
I wish you'd do everyone a favour and stop changing your flag. You're not bipolar, you're tripolar.

I would love too. If everyone would have not complained to Moderaters about my name I would never have changed it. It seems you can have a name like Bithater if your a brit or Scot but if your American you are asked to change your name. So I went with the United Kingdom flag. I however was becoming physically ill seeing that rediculous flag by my name so I changed it. I have some ancestry in Scottland so I went with that. I am American by birth and hold it near and dear. If it was not for all the whiney brits on this forum who cant take some tounge in cheeck my flag would have never changed. You guys are lucky my name didnt get change by the mods. Then you would really be pissed.

So before you start accusing people of whatever maybe you should first take a look in the mirror and see whats staring back. I have stated before what my name stands for. Its really none of anyones business but people asked and I will be curtious and give an honest answer. If you cant handle an honest answer...........dont ask. I am not going to lie to you. Its not me.

Unless I am joking around. Then anything goes

tennizen
01-29-2010, 02:45 PM
I think losing the last couple of matches to Federer is actually a good thing for Murray. After those consecutive wins against Federer which everyone hyped, Murray went into their matches expecting to win all the time. In London, I felt that his meltdown had to do with putting too much pressure on himself. Now, he can safely place himself in the underdog status which will ease the pressure a little bit.

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2010, 02:49 PM
He anihillated Del potro int he quaters in 09, got battered by Nadal in the 09 final.

You must have either watched a different match than the rest of us or have a different definition of battered.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 02:51 PM
I think losing the last couple of matches to Federer is actually a good thing for Murray. After those consecutive wins against Federer which everyone hyped, Murray went into their matches expecting to win all the time. In London, I felt that his meltdown had to do with putting too much pressure on himself. Now, he can safely place himself in the underdog status which will ease the pressure a little bit.

I can't handle that avatar anymore.

I'm gonna have to breed llamas or something. Need one as a pet.

rocketassist
01-29-2010, 02:55 PM
2008 Wimbledon final and Soderling def Nadal RG, if Murray wins on Sunday it will be the third time after these two that MTF changed forever.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 02:55 PM
You must have either watched a different match than the rest of us or have a different definition of battered.

The supposed HC weakman vs the HC 'goat'.
The penultimate 5th set, the 'goat' withered like a leaf. 6-2.

In context, it's a battering. Especially when someone of his 'stature' goes away into the cold night so queitly.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 02:57 PM
You are right. Murray is a nobody. What has Murray done? Please man. Roger beat Nadal twice at Wimbledon. He has beaten Murray once already at US Open final. Don't tell me it's juts about Roddick. I wonder what you fanatics will do if Andy gets triple bageled. Not suggesting it will happen but I'll certainly celebrate if it did.

You're a certified hater, so sorry I can't take your opinion seriously. If you think Murray USO 08 is the same as Murray AO10, then your brain is clearly malfunctioning. Or maybe you're old, old people tend to have salad for brains. Or maybe it's both.

Sean
01-29-2010, 03:00 PM
2008 Wimbledon final and Soderling def Nadal RG, if Murray wins on Sunday it will be the third time after these two that MTF changed forever.

Would signify the new era of Del Potro and Murray domination. Del Potro will win RG, Murray Wimbledon, Del Potro US open. Fed will pick up a couple of cookie plates though.

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2010, 03:01 PM
The supposed HC weakman vs the HC 'goat'.
The penultimate 5th set, the 'goat' withered like a leaf. 6-2.

In context, it's a battering. Especially when someone of his 'stature' goes away into the cold night so queitly.

6-2 7-5 6-2 is a battering. 7-5 3-6 7-6 3-6 6-2 is not a battering.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 03:04 PM
6-2 7-5 6-2 is a battering. 7-5 3-6 7-6 3-6 6-2 is not a battering.

5th set battering. That make you feel better laddy? Good one, run along now kiddo. :lol:

ciprianned
01-29-2010, 03:06 PM
Roger in 4 :D

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 03:07 PM
You're a certified hater, so sorry I can't take your opinion seriously. If you think Murray USO 08 is the same as Murray AO10, then your brain is clearly malfunctioning. Or maybe you're old, old people tend to have salad for brains. Or maybe it's both.

How am I a hater? What has Murray done? How many slams? Listen. I am not saying he can't win. But to say he will win 100% means you are just naive. I am not trying to piss you off. But you come off as one of those fanatics who make outrageous claims and think Murray is bigger than he really is. Murray is a great player and he might win tomorrow but he won't be in Rogers or Rafa's class anytime soon.

thegreendestiny
01-29-2010, 03:07 PM
For Scotland's sake, I hope Murray.

chowdahead25
01-29-2010, 03:09 PM
Fed 64 76 36 64

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2010, 03:10 PM
Federer "batters" Murray 7-6 6-4 3-6 6-2.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 03:11 PM
Murray's second serve won't be getting any better till tomorrow. If Roger's aggressive with it, he'll have his chances.

brithater
01-29-2010, 03:11 PM
How am I a hater? What has Murray done? How many slams? Listen. I am not saying he can't win. But to say he will win 100% means you are just naive. I am not trying to piss you off. But you come off as one of those fanatics who make outrageous claims and think Murray is bigger than he really is. Murray is a great player and he might win tomorrow but he won't be in Rogers or Rafa's class anytime soon.

wow, somebody making sense. What a refreshing change!:worship:

Art&Soul
01-29-2010, 03:11 PM
Tennis loses if Muggay win so for a good sake, FedGod better win ;)

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 03:11 PM
How am I a hater? What has Murray done? How many slams? Listen. I am not saying he can't win. But to say he will win 100% means you are just naive. I am not trying to piss you off. But you come off as one of those fanatics who make outrageous claims and think Murray is bigger than he really is. Murray is a great player and he might win tomorrow but he won't be in Rogers or Rafa's class anytime soon.

When did I say he would 100% win? I'm not being naive, I just don't see any reason to overplay Federer's prowess and underplay Murray's qualities in some childish attempt at mental reverse jinx. Murray's a good enough player to beat Federer, so why should I not underline the fact that he has a great chance of winning? You say Murray is a nobody, blah blah. Who cares? He's 22, in his 2nd final, has a good chance of winning, every great person has to start somewhere right?

Well if you say Andy's not in Rafa's class, then Rafa's 'class' was fun while it lasted, no? Seeing as his knees have relegated him to the championship, no?

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Murray's second serve won't be getting any better till tomorrow. If Roger's aggressive with it, he'll have his chances.

Same way Andy will have his chances if Federer's BH breaks down which it is prone to doing as soon as Andy starts to target it. I fancy Andy's BH to outlast Fed's anyday.

SheepleBuster
01-29-2010, 03:27 PM
Same way Andy will have his chances if Federer's BH breaks down which it is prone to doing as soon as Andy starts to target it. I fancy Andy's BH to outlast Fed's anyday.

um. I don't think I said Andy's backhand is not better than Roger. But Andy has a big weakness in second serve. Roger has no big weakness. Why am I even wasting time arguing this. Andy has done NOTHING for you to suggest we are overplaying Roger's strengths. Andy and Roger met once in a slam and Roger won in straight sets. Sure. Andy was tired and all this and that. But he lost. He has lost the past two matches to Roger pretty comfortably too and Roger hasn't been getting younger. Again, I am not saying Andy can't win. But to say this is 50-50 is absurd. Roger is going to be the favorite and the match will quite honestly will be on his racket. Sure. If his forehand breaks down, Murray will win. But we shall see.

R.Federer
01-29-2010, 03:35 PM
How is Murray a wannabe? Please tell me? Fed is just pissed because he doesn't get to play Roddick in finals anymore. I love how people predict the final based on Federer's form against Tsonga. He anihillated Del potro int he quaters in 09, got battered by Nadal in the 09 final. The match will be tough for Andy, but I don't expect him to feel any pressure, he's very much the underdog. He should be the one who feels obligated to play for fun out there.

Murray .. he's a wannabe for slams, isn't he? Djokovic, Del Potro and Nadal (if you can count Nadal in Murr's generation) have all proved their mettle. Murray is the only one talked about as #1, who has yet to show he can win a slam. He is a wannabe, dude. He is the Jankovic of ATP.... :lol:

Fed's form against Tsonga, or against anyone else, has little to do with what will happen in the final. Both will feel pressure. They will talk like No, he's got all the pressure. No, he's got the pressure, not me. Both know that once they step out on Sunday night, sweaty palms before it starts.

Logical
01-29-2010, 03:41 PM
Uhm, don't know. I mean, look, he's in his second Grand Slam final now. I think the first one's always a bit tougher than the second one. But now that he didn't win the first one, I think doesn't help, you know, for the second one around.
Plus he's playing, you know, me, who's won many Grand Slams prior to that, been able to win here three times so I know what it takes and how to do it, which is definitely an advantage.
But, no, without having any ‑‑ taking anything away from him, but I think a few times he played me I wasn't at my very, very best. I think I played him on a couple of occasions. Dubai the first time we played, I just came back from resting, my mono, and everything. I know some don't like to hear it. Some still don't believe me for some reason.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ERGrznxTIwo/SYW_fFHzBrI/AAAAAAAAWHs/31nHnw0SkA8/Roger%20Federer%20Crying%20pic%5B4%5D.jpg

MalwareDie
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Murray in 4 or 5.

nsidhan
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Since 2005, Nadal has always lost to the eventual AO runner up. But all streaks have to come to an end one day. Will 2010 be that year :shrug: ?

Murray will beat Fed!

I HOPE I AM WRONG! :devil:

Logical
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Murray in 3 or 4 sets.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 03:46 PM
um. I don't think I said Andy's backhand is not better than Roger. But Andy has a big weakness in second serve. Roger has no big weakness. Why am I even wasting time arguing this. Andy has done NOTHING for you to suggest we are overplaying Roger's strengths. Andy and Roger met once in a slam and Roger won in straight sets. Sure. Andy was tired and all this and that. But he lost. He has lost the past two matches to Roger pretty comfortably too and Roger hasn't been getting younger. Again, I am not saying Andy can't win. But to say this is 50-50 is absurd. Roger is going to be the favorite and the match will quite honestly will be on his racket. Sure. If his forehand breaks down, Murray will win. But we shall see.

In a good day, that's true but in a bad day (as keeps happening more and more to Fed), not quite.

SaFed2005
01-29-2010, 03:49 PM
This is Murray's tournament to lose, right? He totally destroyed very tough opponents to get the final. If he plays even half decent old man Fed is going to get schooled.

born_on_clay
01-29-2010, 03:52 PM
Andy Murray in 5

NOKI24
01-29-2010, 03:53 PM
:bigwave:

The backdrop is being overlooked: Rog WANTS something: It's called a GRAND SLAM, the BIG 4 in one year, and it begins HERE! He's not gonna let Muzza screw it up for him. :devil:

brithater
01-29-2010, 03:56 PM
:bigwave:

The backdrop is being overlooked: Rog WANTS something: It's called a GRAND SLAM, the BIG 4 in one year, and it begins HERE! He's not gonna let Muzza screw it up for him. :devil:

wow good point! That has not been talked about at all. This year may be his best chance yet.

Diprosalic
01-29-2010, 04:00 PM
thats certainly a d good point. i never thought about that. if nadal really is out of the picture it's certainly possible. but still unbelievable hard.
man how amazing would that be.

Apemant
01-29-2010, 04:01 PM
The supposed HC weakman vs the HC 'goat'.
The penultimate 5th set, the 'goat' withered like a leaf. 6-2.

In context, it's a battering. Especially when someone of his 'stature' goes away into the cold night so queitly.

LOL, 'the penultimate 5th set'? :haha: What do you imagine the word 'penultimate' actually means? Before using words you don't understand, it's advisable to at least look them up. It's not actually that hard to do, in this day and age, you know...

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:03 PM
Federer "batters" Murray 7-6 6-4 3-6 6-2.

:lol:

Logical
01-29-2010, 04:03 PM
I think Frauderer clown has ruffled Murray's feathers with such disrespectful comments on Murray in his interview.

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2010, 04:06 PM
Is Logical Rafa=FedKilla's newest sock puppet?

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:07 PM
Uhm, don't know. I mean, look, he's in his second Grand Slam final now. I think the first one's always a bit tougher than the second one. But now that he didn't win the first one, I think doesn't help, you know, for the second one around.
Plus he's playing, you know, me, who's won many Grand Slams prior to that, been able to win here three times so I know what it takes and how to do it, which is definitely an advantage.
But, no, without having any ‑‑ taking anything away from him, but I think a few times he played me I wasn't at my very, very best. I think I played him on a couple of occasions. Dubai the first time we played, I just came back from resting, my mono, and everything. I know some don't like to hear it. Some still don't believe me for some reason.




Nadal cried bitter tears after the GOAT schooled him in Wimledon.

tyruk14
01-29-2010, 04:09 PM
Murray. Five.

6-7 6-4 6-4 1-6 6-2

Logical
01-29-2010, 04:10 PM
Nadal cried bitter tears after the GOAT schooled him in Wimledon.

Photo? :lol:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ERGrznxTIwo/SYW_fFHzBrI/AAAAAAAAWHs/31nHnw0SkA8/Roger%20Federer%20Crying%20pic%5B4%5D.jpg

brithater
01-29-2010, 04:12 PM
Nadal cried bitter tears after the GOAT schooled him in Wimledon.

They are all a bunch of selfish crybabies now. Do you think Roger cried for the people of Haiti? Oh how misunderstood these guys all are.

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:14 PM
Photo? :lol:



It is well know that Nadal cried backstage after the defeat...

He was very lucky that the GOAT was weakened by sickness the next year. Otherwise Finito would still only call 4 GS his own.

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:17 PM
They are all a bunch of selfish crybabies now. Do you think Roger cried for the people of Haiti?

..Now?! Do you imply, that you believe, that Becker or Pmac would have cried for Haiti?


Did you cry for Haiti?

Johnny Groove
01-29-2010, 04:18 PM
I think #16 is in the cards.

brithater
01-29-2010, 04:22 PM
It is well know that Nadal cried backstage after the defeat...

He was very lucky that the GOAT was weakened by sickness the next year. Otherwise Finito would still only call 4 GS his own.


Thats fine though. You wanna cry you do it like a man and go do it in private. You dont do it during the trophy presentation. Hold it together for the sake of your opponent and yourself. You respect, take it on the chin and suck it up. You congratulate your opponent for for his accomplishment and keep you selfish feelings to yourself for it is not your time. It is theres. It used to be called taking it like a Man. Roger is still a boy when he doesnt win. He hides it well with his facade though.

Bagelicious
01-29-2010, 04:25 PM
Is Logical Rafa=FedKilla's newest sock puppet?

I believe one of the mods was on the investigation. Clearly someone's sock puppet though, judging from the registration date, use of MTF terminology and desperately bitter posts.

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 04:25 PM
LOL, 'the penultimate 5th set'? :haha: What do you imagine the word 'penultimate' actually means? Before using words you don't understand, it's advisable to at least look them up. It's not actually that hard to do, in this day and age, you know...

Clearly a brain fart as I was responding to more than one person at once. Anyone who understood my point would simply take off the 'pen', leaving the ultimate. It's common sense. Nice attempt at trying to be look good though, wasn't immature or anything or the sort. :angel:

CescAndyKimi
01-29-2010, 04:26 PM
Federer "batters" Murray 7-6 6-4 3-6 6-2.

Ooooh, I see what you did there big man. Very clever :rolleyes:

brithater
01-29-2010, 04:28 PM
..Now?! Do you imply, that you believe, that Becker or Pmac would have cried for Haiti?


Did you cry for Haiti?

I dont cry I am an adult. Besides, if people really want to help hatians they need to help them help themselves. Sitting around crying about it gets you knowhere. Whe screwed that country up in the 80s doing what we are doing right now. Haiti used to be a nice place until everyone started giving them things. It was a self reliant people. Now they are a bunch of savages.

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:28 PM
Thats fine though. You wanna cry you do it like a man and go do it in private. You dont do it during the trophy presentation. Hold it together for the sake of your opponent and yourself. You respect, take it on the chin and suck it up. You congratulate your opponent for for his accomplishment and keep you selfish feelings to yourself for it is not your time. It is theres. It used to be called taking it like a Man. Roger is still a boy when he doesnt win. He hides it well with his facade though.

Oh what a wonder, Federer is not perfect..

:rolleyes:

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 04:32 PM
I dont cry I am an adult. Besides, if people really want to help hatians they need to help them help themselves. Sitting around crying about it gets you knowhere.

okay, so whats was your argument below? You don't make any sense to me.

They are all a bunch of selfish crybabies now. Do you think Roger cried for the people of Haiti? Oh how misunderstood these guys all are.

Corey Feldman
01-29-2010, 04:33 PM
time for revenge after the federer-del potro London fix

and "he is not the favorite" before last years AO ;)

brithater
01-29-2010, 04:34 PM
Oh what a wonder, Federer is not perfect..

:rolleyes:

I am not a Fed Hater. He is a wonderful player and IMO the GOAT. His actions in last years trouphy presentation were unproffessional at best. He would have been better to walk off court in the midst of that emotional breakdown. You dont have to be perfect but I expect some proffessional courtisy towards your opponent when he beats you. Its just another example that Fed only cares about Fed. Rafa is a little different in this reguard.

Even Hingis walked off court when she had her breakdown. She was just a little girl. Roger is a grown man and should no better. Disgraceful to the mens game.

Byrd
01-29-2010, 04:36 PM
Federer pulling out all the mind games early, which clearly shows he's worried. Cmon Murray, do it for England.

Henry Kaspar
01-29-2010, 04:37 PM
Nice final. Clearly the two guys who deserved to be in there the most.

I'll root for Murray -- I think it's time for him to win a big one.

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2010, 04:39 PM
Cmon Murray, do it for England.

:scratch:

Apemant
01-29-2010, 04:41 PM
Clearly a brain fart as I was responding to more than one person at once. Anyone who understood my point would simply take off the 'pen', leaving the ultimate. It's common sense. Nice attempt at trying to be look good though, wasn't immature or anything or the sort. :angel:

You didn't have a point, but why waste time on serious arguments with haters? :shrug:

'The ultimate 5th set' is a pleonasm, anyway. The 5th set in a GS is by the definition the 'ultimate set'.

brithater
01-29-2010, 04:41 PM
okay, so whats was your argument below? You don't make any sense to me.

Roger only cries for himself when he doesnt get what he wants out of pity and selfishness.

I dont believe in pitty. It doesnt work. Pity will destroy your life. You must me strong, you must pick yourself up, you must be a man. Rogers actions are just another example in a long list of examples of why he is a facade. His charities are nothing more than self promotion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delesional.

Dont even get me started on Andre (cashin in on the kiddies) Agassi.

Arkulari
01-29-2010, 04:46 PM
Roger only cries for himself when he doesnt get what he wants out of pity and selfishness.

I dont believe in pitty. It doesnt work. Pity will destroy your life. You must me strong, you must pick yourself up, you must be a man. Rogers actions are just another example in a long list of examples of why he is a facade. His charities are nothing more than self promotion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delesional.

Dont even get me started on Andre (cashin in on the kiddies) Agassi.

yeah, yeah, nothing better than being a big repressed man, emotions are worthless and boys don't cry blah blah blah :rolleyes:

Apemant
01-29-2010, 04:47 PM
I am not a Fed Hater. He is a wonderful player and IMO the GOAT. His actions in last years trouphy presentation were unproffessional at best. He would have been better to walk off court in the midst of that emotional breakdown.

Is he even allowed to do that?

Federer is a guy who can't control his emotions, win or lose. It's not like he's crying only when someone spanks his ass, he was in tears after he spanked everyone else's ass, losing no sets in the process.

Some other people can't keep their zippers closed. I personally prefer Federer's shortcomings here. But it's a matter of taste - whereas you are implying it's something 'more' than that. Well, it isn't. :shrug:

Vida
01-29-2010, 04:48 PM
Andrew "Single" Murray to beat Roger "Suave" Federer in sets: 5.

kaylee
01-29-2010, 04:52 PM
Andrew "Single" Murray to beat Roger "Suave" Federer in sets: 5.

lol, nice!

Federer=God
01-29-2010, 04:53 PM
I seriously hope this incredulous ignorance is just internet trolling.

chalkdust
01-29-2010, 04:57 PM
:bigwave:

The backdrop is being overlooked: Rog WANTS something: It's called a GRAND SLAM, the BIG 4 in one year, and it begins HERE! He's not gonna let Muzza screw it up for him. :devil:

Good call!! Hey, the pressure will be all on Fed tomorrow - this is probably the last year he has a shot at the Grand Slam, or at least the best chance he will have from now on.

I think he will suffer at RG this year, however, and probably won't be thinking about the GS until the first two are in the bag. I kind of hope he does get the first two so we can find out how he copes with making his wet dream a reality.

Everko
01-29-2010, 05:11 PM
Once Del Potro exposed Federer, he will continue to choke. Murray in 5

Luinir
01-29-2010, 05:13 PM
Chokerer will lose this.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 05:13 PM
Federer pulling out all the mind games early, which clearly shows he's worried. Cmon Murray, do it for England.

the guy ain't even english

Apemant
01-29-2010, 05:14 PM
Who is going to stop him from leaving the court? His actions along with many other things he has done imply many things.

What I asked was whether he was bound by some implied rules of conduct, i.e. wouldn't it be considered bad manners to leave the court and sulk in the corner, when he's expected to stay there for the duration of the trophy presentation?

Arkulari
01-29-2010, 05:16 PM
dedicated to brithater:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/the-last-sporting-hero-20100128-n1r0.html?autostart=1

:kiss: :kiss:

:wavey:

RagingLamb
01-29-2010, 05:18 PM
Murray certainly has what it takes to win this title.

The question is whether the self-belief will be there. It wasn't there at the USO in '08. I certainly hope it will be there during this final.

In either case, if both players show up, this will be a very entertaining match.

May the best man win.

brithater
01-29-2010, 05:22 PM
What I asked is whether he was bound by some implied rules of conduct, i.e. wouldn't it be considered bad manners to leave the court and sulk in the corner, when he's expected to stay there for the duration of the trophy presentation?

I have seen it happen before. Maybe not in a slam but its happened. Most of the time the guys are just fine as they realize it is not there moment. It is a telling sign of the character of a person. Next time he will be better off saying excuse me and walking off the court for a few moments. Its hard for players I know. I have always thought the players should get a 10-20 minute break in private after a final as a courtesy to the loser. ATP and the sponsers obvioussly dont see it that way. Just another reason why the game is self destructing.

Andresito
01-29-2010, 05:45 PM
If Federer serves +65% he will be the winner.

Otherwise, it depends on how Murray hands the pressure.

I'm a fan of Federer, but I think Andy did enought to win at leats a Slam. Also, it would be delicious if both players meet again in Wimbledon's final.

Federer in 4.

magnoliaewan
01-29-2010, 05:47 PM
I think Fed will win it in 4 but he needs to bring his A game because Murray will definitely try really hard to win it this time.

Commander Data
01-29-2010, 05:53 PM
I have seen it happen before. Maybe not in a slam but its happened. Most of the time the guys are just fine as they realize it is not there moment. It is a telling sign of the character of a person. Next time he will be better off saying excuse me and walking off the court for a few moments. Its hard for players I know. I have always thought the players should get a 10-20 minute break in private after a final as a courtesy to the loser. ATP and the sponsers obvioussly dont see it that way. Just another reason why the game is self destructing.

your username is self-explaining. you are a bitter hater :wavey:

brithater
01-29-2010, 05:57 PM
your username is self-explaining. you are a bitter hater :wavey:

either read my past posts on thew subject or PM me if you really care about where the name originates

Vida
01-29-2010, 06:02 PM
I am pretty much convinced Murray will handle pressure well. just keep it smart, cool, and under control. federer is 'combustible'.

MsTree
01-29-2010, 06:19 PM
Federer pulling out all the mind games early, which clearly shows he's worried. Cmon Murray, do it for England.

:lol:

Andy in five :)

TMJordan
01-29-2010, 06:21 PM
If Murray wins this match I am done with tennis for good.

abraxas21
01-29-2010, 06:31 PM
If Andy wins, I'd like him to say in his on court speech: "This is for Scotland only. All of you stupid poms can go to hell and shove your lack of success in tennis, football, and pretty much all sports, up your dirty arses. Your majesty, if you're watching this, go fuck yourself".

analysist
01-29-2010, 06:32 PM
Roger only cries for himself when he doesnt get what he wants out of pity and selfishness.

I dont believe in pitty. It doesnt work. Pity will destroy your life. You must me strong, you must pick yourself up, you must be a man. Rogers actions are just another example in a long list of examples of why he is a facade. His charities are nothing more than self promotion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delesional.

Dont even get me started on Andre (cashin in on the kiddies) Agassi.
Yep, maybe Fed is a little bit selfish, and he shouldn't cry at ceremony, but as a fan of tennis, I want to see a player revealing his emotion, he cried because he really wanted that trophy, the aspire of the victory. As a fan, I 'd rather watching a player that love tennis deeply, thirst for title, a dramatic ceremoney than a player who play tennis just for money like Davydenko

Anyway, it's better not watching him crying again when losing, it's a little bit confusing:confused: Fed should learn to control it because it's very weird for his opponent

tea
01-29-2010, 06:34 PM
Tennis has already won.:D

RIboy
01-29-2010, 06:42 PM
crucial moment for Muzza's career, hope that he's ready mentally

DO IT MUZZA :rocker:

lina_seta
01-29-2010, 06:43 PM
anyone knows if prince williams is sitll hanging around to attend the final?

Noleta
01-29-2010, 06:54 PM
Murray will use the same tactics:frustrate Fed with his pushing.

Want:Fed to win in 3

Think: Murray wins it in 5.

brithater
01-29-2010, 06:54 PM
Yep, maybe Fed is a little bit selfish, and he shouldn't cry at ceremony, but as a fan of tennis, I want to see a player revealing his emotion, he cried because he really wanted that trophy, the aspire of the victory. As a fan, I 'd rather watching a player that love tennis deeply, thirst for title, a dramatic ceremoney than a player who play tennis just for money like Davydenko

Anyway, it's better not watching him crying again when losing, it's a little bit confusing:confused: Fed should learn to control it because it's very weird for his opponent

Yes and he does love the game. I am a fan of his game itself and that is all. Roger may not even realize how his crying effects others players in that situation. Other Players have cried in the past (sampras, Rafter) but that is different. Like I said it is a character flaw. I hope andy will not have this same flaw and I hope Andy wins for the good of the game. I will not cheer for a player to play poorly though. My biggest hope right now is that they both play the match of the tournament.

green25814
01-29-2010, 06:58 PM
Honestly, its probably going to be Federer. The guy is playing about as well as he can at this point in time.

ClaudiuS
01-29-2010, 07:02 PM
Federer shotmaking skill has returned nearly to the one he had into the 2006 and the start of 2007 form. Very difficult task for Murray to overpass.

Apemant
01-29-2010, 07:13 PM
Murray will use the same tactics:frustrate Fed with his pushing.

I don't think so... Murray won't gamble like that; if you're just pushing, you're letting Federer play on his terms. He doesn't lose to pushers in a GS; Del Potro didn't just push around. (Neither did Nadal).

I think Murray will try a sound combination of relentless defense, looking to counterpunch whenever possible, and going agressive more often than usually, to prevent Federer of becoming too comfortable in the driver's seat.

Honestly, I have no clue who's going to win this. :shrug:

scoobs
01-29-2010, 07:17 PM
I think Andy is going to look to extend the rallies by playing solidly but not too passively - he knows he can't be leaving the ball too short. He'll be picking on Roger's backhand, using the Nadal tactics of getting the ball up high to that side. I think he will mix things up a bit more than he has against Roger in the past. I think we'll see a bit of serve and volley here and there but he has to pick his moments with that. I think he will take the ball on more at times too, when he feels like he has the advantage in a point, he'll look to finish it off quickly.

Team_Roddick
01-29-2010, 07:20 PM
I agree that Murray is the in-form player from both in the final. However it's all starting to look like it will be Rogers in-form year. Who knows, maybe last one and best one. Roger is not really pissing around like in 2009.

I wish the Scottish will take the crown. I can hardly see that happening though.

Clydey
01-29-2010, 07:42 PM
I think Andy is going to look to extend the rallies by playing solidly but not too passively - he knows he can't be leaving the ball too short. He'll be picking on Roger's backhand, using the Nadal tactics of getting the ball up high to that side. I think he will mix things up a bit more than he has against Roger in the past. I think we'll see a bit of serve and volley here and there but he has to pick his moments with that. I think he will take the ball on more at times too, when he feels like he has the advantage in a point, he'll look to finish it off quickly.

I don't think he'll be going high to the Federer backhand. That's not really something that he can do reliably. His backhand is too flat. And if he tries to get it up high, it won't have enough pace on it to stop Fed from running around to hit a forehand.

I'm hoping that he'll use TMC 2008 tactics, by pounding the backhand with pace and only occasionally going to the Federer forehand to keep him honest.

DrJules
01-29-2010, 07:45 PM
Murray to win.

He can return and do damage on the Federer serve better than any player Federer has faced at the AO.

He will dominate backhand to backhand exchanges.

He defends making fewer errors and moves better than Federer.

Will hit backhand winners down the line if Federer runs around and moves into the forehand corner.


Murray in 4 sets.

SetSampras
01-29-2010, 07:47 PM
Fed hasnt really been all that great. Certainly not even close to the level he was 4-5 years ago. He just hasnt really been tested or had to deal with a legimate threat at this point.. Davydenko and Tsonga are not such I'm sorry. They will beat themselves 9 times out of 10 if they have to play against Federer.. They have no confidence. Murray no doubt SHOULD BE Fed's toughest competition at the tournament. I think its a bit of an illusion Fed is playing at some unreachable unstoppable level. Fed just hasnt had to deal with a legimitate force who is confident in beating him. All hes had to deal with his mentally frail Tsonga or Davydenko who beat themselves or broken down wheelchair Hewitt a shell of his former self.

Everko
01-29-2010, 07:48 PM
Fed hasnt really been all that great. Certainly not even close to the level he was 4-5 years ago. He just hasnt really been tested or had to deal with a legimate threat at this point.. Davydenko and Tsonga are not such I'm sorry. They will beat themselves 9 times out of 10 if they have to play against Federer.. They have no confidence. Murray no doubt SHOULD BE Fed's toughest competition at the tournament. I think its a bit of an illusion Fed is playing at some unreachable unstoppable level. Fed just hasnt had to deal with a legimitate force who is confident in beating him. All hes had to deal with his mentally frail Tsonga or Davydenko who beat themselves or broken down Hewitt a shell of his former self

I think you are right. federer hasn't had great competition. But the Fedtards will continue to think he is as amazing as ever.

tangerine_dream
01-29-2010, 07:55 PM
How many toilet breaks will Roger take? How many medical time-outs for Andy?

How many awful challenges will Roger make and then blame the machine for being wrong?

How much wider can Murray's mouth get?

What will happen in the UK if the Entertaining Flea wins? :scared:

Will Murray brag he has "more raw talent" than Federer if he wins? Will Roger cry? How much closer will Jim Courier get to rub up against Roger's leg? :unsure:

Finally, how many suicides will result after months of endless Murraymania from the insufferable British media should the Ugly One win? http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/Fool/vis.gif

Professional therapy may be needed after Sunday.

scoobs
01-29-2010, 07:59 PM
As usual, Tangy gets right to the heart of the issues :lol:

Sophocles
01-29-2010, 08:51 PM
Most important for Murray: backhand down the line, nailing Fed on his forehand side. AND - delayed Hawkeye challenges. For Fed, first serve percentage and error count.

guga2120
01-29-2010, 09:00 PM
I voted Andy in 4, it might be wishful thinking going by the London match, but hopefully he can get it done.

Kip
01-29-2010, 09:11 PM
Murray in 4. :yeah:

Byrd
01-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Not a bad sunday, Murray and Utd doing one over Fed & Arsenal respectively.

Murray's Mint
01-29-2010, 11:23 PM
For Murray to win he has to play out of his skin. He He has to play aggressive enough to keep Federer pinned back behind the baseline so Federer can't shorten the points but at the same time make sure its not him making the unforced errors. If he can do that he can break down Fed's groundstrokes. A very tough ask but my heart says he can do it in 5.

tangerine_dream
01-29-2010, 11:29 PM
Them's fightin' words. (http://www.tennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=6563) :devil:

tennizen
01-29-2010, 11:50 PM
Them's fightin' words. (http://www.tennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=6563) :devil:

:lol:

Andi-M
01-30-2010, 12:03 AM
Not a bad sunday, Murray and Arsenal doing one over Fed & Utd respectively.

Just altered it for you :)

Blondie1985
01-30-2010, 12:04 AM
Federer in 3

Orka_n
01-30-2010, 12:11 AM
Fed in 4.

McAlistar
01-30-2010, 12:11 AM
That's BS saying that murray won't be nervous. It's not like he won his first grand slam. There will still be nerves. But if he serves well, he is going to be difficult to beat. At least easily. You never know. And the fact that people are saying that Federer won his first major in 17th try so Murray will do the same is absurd. Federer is a legend. Murray is a nobody. At least right now

Murray was 50 times more successful than Federer was before his first slam.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-30-2010, 12:13 AM
head: Fed
heart: Muzza

DorianGray7
01-30-2010, 12:27 AM
I'm hoping for Federer's brain to go walkabout, as it does a bit more often these days. A focussed Federer should still beat Murray 9/10 in slams, but Murray is getting better and Federer is not.

I won't watch the match live (I'll be at church), but I wouldn't have done anyway. I'll record it so I can fast forward and skip chunks if Murray is getting thrashed, but if he's winning I can replay the best bits.

I know this is being a wimp, but at my age I have to watch my blood pressure, and the first set v. Cilic nearly killed me!!:D

Wow, what a tard. A true blind nationalist. He probably votes for Nick Griffin.

Lullaby
01-30-2010, 12:35 AM
If Fed plays his best, he should win but if not watch out

If Murray clears this hurdle the other players could be in some trouble as the weight that is released from his shoulders will be immense

CescAndyKimi
01-30-2010, 12:40 AM
Not a bad sunday, Murray and Utd doing one over Fed & Arsenal respectively.

Fuck you. :angel:

Murray making Federror cry and Fabregas doing one over those dirty Mancs on Sunday. Oh to be a Gooner.

yeemmi
01-30-2010, 01:44 AM
Fed in 4,I hope so.But Murray really has a chance here.

sawan66278
01-30-2010, 02:05 AM
Even before Federer's over the top excuse-mongering press conference (amazingly the man has NO shame and actually brought up the "mono" excuse again:mad::rolleyes:...finally acknowledging that there are those who doubt his veracity), I was pulling for Andy. Now...I want Andy to bring the pain.

Andy in four...but I can honestly see him win in straight sets IF he plays will all his weapons and returns well.

Mimi
01-30-2010, 02:17 AM
roger in 4, the match is in his hands, if he plays good, then Murray is going to have little chance, whats more Roger's mind is free as he feels no pressure that he must win, its not the same for Murray, poor him, the whole country wants him to win, an extremely big burden to carry:eek:

Hola Mr. SK
01-30-2010, 02:24 AM
Murray in 5!

rjmartin
01-30-2010, 03:06 AM
LoL at this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/jan/30/andy-murray-australian-open-jane-austen

"If you don't, on some level, want to see (Andy) Murray and (Laura) Robson one day get married and live in a big house in the country where they keep horses, then you're barely human."

coonster14
01-30-2010, 03:48 AM
Federer in 4 sets, dropping the 2nd set I think.
Not sure who I want to win, on one hand I would be happy for Murray to finally get this monkey off his back, but OTOH, would be nice to see Federer winning his sweet 16th.

Just hoping for a good quality match.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2010, 03:57 AM
paths:

Federer

R128: Andreev 4-6 6-2 7-6 6-0
R64: Hanescu 6-2 6-3 6-2
R32: Montanes 6-3 6-4 6-4
R16: Hewitt 6-2 6-3 6-4
Q: Davydenko 2-6 6-3 6-0 7-5
S: Tsonga 6-2 6-3 6-2

Murray

R128: Anderson 6-1 6-1 6-2
R64: Gicquel 6-1 6-4 6-3
R32: Serra 7-5 6-1 6-4
R16: Isner 7-6 6-3 6-2
Q: Nadal 6-3 7-6 3-0
S: Cilic 3-6 6-4 6-4 6-2

MsTree
01-30-2010, 04:01 AM
Murray making Federror cry and Fabregas doing one over those dirty Mancs on Sunday. Oh to be a Gooner.

This :D

malisha
01-30-2010, 04:03 AM
I think Andy is going to look to extend the rallies by playing solidly but not too passively - he knows he can't be leaving the ball too short. He'll be picking on Roger's backhand, using the Nadal tactics of getting the ball up high to that side. I think he will mix things up a bit more than he has against Roger in the past. I think we'll see a bit of serve and volley here and there but he has to pick his moments with that. I think he will take the ball on more at times too, when he feels like he has the advantage in a point, he'll look to finish it off quickly.

good post

he needs to mix it up

abraxas21
01-30-2010, 04:13 AM
"I think he really needs it more than I do, so I think the pressure's big on him but we'll see how he's going to handle it. It's not going to be easy for him, that's for sure.Now that he didn't win the first one, I think doesn't help for the second one around. Plus he's playing me, who's won many Grand Slams prior to that, been able to win here three times so I know what it takes and how to do it, which is definitely an advantage.
He's a good player. I don't think otherwise you're just going to start having good records against me but without taking anything away from him, I think a few times he played me I wasn't at my very, very best. So I think the head-to-head could be quite different. That's why I don't really care too much about how the head-to-head stands. Every match is played differently. Best-of-five set matches are very different anyway.
(...)
I think once your game is good enough, even on your off days to come through, I think that's what he's proving here at the Australian Open now. He's one match away. I'll make sure it won't happen. We'll see how it goes."
"


Federer is talking the big talk. Can we walk the walk?

Arkulari
01-30-2010, 04:19 AM
let's keep feeding the haters, it's not like they don't have the tendency to overreact and over analyze everything from their high horses... :rolleyes:

the one who plays best (or least bad) will win, that's all we need to know