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Tennis and Sexism: Does it sell?

SheepleBuster
01-25-2010, 02:36 PM
I know the issue of men vs. women has been discussed on this forum before. But, I can't help to notice that ESPN's coverage has been very sexist this year. Pam Shriver keeps talking about how Serena gets fined that much because she is a woman. She also complains how men go first during Prime-time. Do you think this is ESPN's strategy to maybe get more people to watch tennis? You know adding a bit of controversy to it all?

Pam Shriver keeps comparing guys to ladies as if it's possible. The other day she compared Cilic to Seles. It's nonsense but maybe the directions are coming for the top management?

«Ivan»
01-25-2010, 02:39 PM
pam is idiot.were as player,is as commentator.

she's even worse than willainder,the best ass licker 'n stupidest ex player.

ossie
01-25-2010, 02:40 PM
its the sex that sells women tennis, any1 who thinks otherwise is delusional

Diprosalic
01-25-2010, 02:42 PM
eurosport forced me to watch the ivanovic match. ugh im pretty sure i could beat her. so as long as womens tennis is this bad they shouldn't even bother showing first rounds of the womens GS on TV.

SheepleBuster
01-25-2010, 02:42 PM
the other day everyone was saying how Serena got off easy and Pam said if she was a men, she wouldn't be fined that much. I mean that's utterly moronic.

serveandvolley80
01-25-2010, 02:44 PM
its the sex that sells women tennis, any1 who thinks otherwise is delusional

Hey i happen to watch Kirilenko because i like her baseline game i swear!

«Ivan»
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
its the sex that sells women tennis, any1 who thinks otherwise is delusional

you're A sexist.sexism=rasism,etc.

brithater
01-25-2010, 03:08 PM
you're A sexist.sexism=rasism,etc.

Its absolutley true though. Why do you think these women are all haveing photo opps and fasion shows. Tennis has decided to turn the womens game into the salesmen of the game.

On Pam Shriver. Lets get one thing absolutely straight right now. Pam is an ultra liberal feminist racist. She always has been. She has sided with the USTA with the Williams sisters on racial discrimination mant times over the years. The USTA has bent over backwards for those girls.

As much as people dislike Mary Carillo she is one of the few people that is pretty non bias and non political. Mary is a traditionalist when it comes to Tennis and should be given credit. Here analysis of the Serena situation was spot on and she does not try and make excuses or spin it away like Racist Pam does. Mary has been attacking Agassi as well a lot. She truely cares for the future of the sport and not who puts money in her pocket.

People must also realize that Tennis has become the sport of elitist liberals. The game has been taken over by money and government funding. Its always had a little of this going on but the current game is the worst its ever been. The big difference is that now its political. Look up political donations to campains and government funding and you will see exactly how politicalthis game has become.

Andre and his clan of dopers and commentators are some of the biggest liberals of the bunch. Want some more.....

Cahill, Gilbert, Shriver, Mary Joe, Morareu, McEnroe, P. McEnroe..... all are the primary commentators, ultra liberals.

Chris Evert says she is conservative but she is a closet liberal.

Oh and Stating that sex runs womens tennis is not a sexist. Its sexist if he believes that sex running womens tennis is a good thing. Think before you call people names.

Apemant
01-25-2010, 03:11 PM
The mere idea is ludicrous.

Men's tennis >> women's tennis, any way you look at it. While it is true that women's tennis is comparatively much more popular (in comparison with men's tennis) - than women in some other sports, it's still kinda stupid to link it with sexism in any possible way.

It's like complaining why there is more men's football matches that women's. Actually, it's not *quite like* it - because women's football is nowhere near as popular as women's tennis - but it shows the general idea: TV runs what it expects that will draw bigger audience; as simple as that. What's that got to do with sexism is beyond me.

abraxas21
01-25-2010, 03:14 PM
There's actually too much women's tennis on tv... And I mean that seriously.

serveandvolley80
01-25-2010, 03:16 PM
You want the WTA to compete with the ATP, then start training women to actually play tennis, not mindless ball bashing/unforced error fest.

The current generation of ladies could not hit a backhand to save their lives, their movement sucks, and they are mental midgets. They tried to emulate the men and think, hmm being tall and having a lot of power will work for us.

This is why ladies like Henin keep the WTA legit because they actually have an all court game, not some useless 6-1 shrieking banshee that moves like a wounded turtle.

Thank you Justine and Kim for coming back and saving us a little bit of sanity by showing the ladies how real tennis is played. If i had to watch another Sharapova or Ivanovic match i would snap.

brithater
01-25-2010, 03:23 PM
not some useless 6-1 shrieking banshee that moves like a wounded turtle.


Good God that is funny.:haha::haha::haha:

kaylee
01-25-2010, 03:58 PM
Pfft please don't start me on ESPN - they are so biased whether it is a women's or men's match. Give me Eurosport everytime unfortunately I live in Canada therefore have to suffer ESPN for the Slams. Pam Shriver is the worst and if they talk over a tennis match with what they did in their careers one more time I will scream. I have to attack the mute button which spoils the coverage. Sorry off track a bit lol!

ossie
01-25-2010, 04:17 PM
you're A sexist.sexism=rasism,etc.

i am neither, what i said was the truth and it makes me sad to be honest. i dont think the tennis organisations are the only ones to blame though, the players are concerned more with their appearance and their fashion lines/modeling work than their tennis careers. if this doesnt change their level will stay the same and top seeds will lose in first rounds against nonames and players just coming out of retirement win slams.my point is tennis is just one part of life where women are being exploited for sex but they have the power to do something about but it seems theyre content with what they have so thats why i hate the wta

mojobaby75
01-25-2010, 04:23 PM
the other day everyone was saying how Serena got off easy and Pam said if she was a men, she wouldn't be fined that much. I mean that's utterly moronic.
Serena herself brought up the point about being fined more than a man would have been. Pam Shriver may have just been repeating what Serena herself said. Can't speak to Pam Shriver's leanings one way or the other since I try to tune out a lot of her commentary anyway.

gulzhan
01-25-2010, 04:28 PM
Not this topic again, please :help:

Men's and women's tennis are two different things as men and women are two different human races :lol: Each has its appeal, they can't be compared. Chillax people!

nobama
01-25-2010, 04:28 PM
When did Pam complain about women playing 2nd at night? :confused: When I was watching this morning she asked Mary Jo what she thought about women playing second and Mary Jo said she had no problem with it. Didn't sound like anyone was complaining about it. :shrug:

SheepleBuster
01-25-2010, 05:19 PM
When did Pam complain about women playing 2nd at night? :confused: When I was watching this morning she asked Mary Jo what she thought about women playing second and Mary Jo said she had no problem with it. Didn't sound like anyone was complaining about it. :shrug:

She did. she asked mary about it. Mary said she thought it was "fair" for men to go first. Then she started going sexist again saying how Serena williams has never had a night match and how only two women have had prime time. Listen. Men can play 5 sets. It's not fair to them to go second. It's just that simple. She also defended Serena when the other Mary thought Serena got off easy. And how about the whole Cilic Seles comparison? I mean I really can't see the comparison.

Pam comes off awfully sexist with her commentary. Everything is about women even when Nadal and Federer are playing. I get a laugh when they ask her what she would do if she was Hewitt going against Roger. I mean how would she know?

Vida
01-25-2010, 05:30 PM
sex always sells.

angry1
01-25-2010, 05:35 PM
Pam Shriver keeps comparing guys to ladies as if it's possible. The other day she compared Cilic to Seles. It's nonsense but maybe the directions are coming for the top management?

Aren't they both players with surnames that appear to be palindromes but actually aren't?If so she might have a point.


Being a linguistic ignoramus that might be gibberish.

Sophocles
01-25-2010, 05:56 PM
Aren't they both players with surnames that appear to be palindromes but actually aren't?If so she might have a point.

They are palindromes.

angry1
01-25-2010, 06:04 PM
They are palindromes.

I think I read here that in their proper alphabets/languages in one or both cases the 1st and last letters are different letters.

Hence the ignoramus defence.

Sophocles
01-25-2010, 06:14 PM
I think I read here that in their proper alphabets/languages in one or both cases the 1st and last letters are different letters.

Hence the ignoramus defence.

Fair enough - I didn't know that. In English though, they're palindromes.

brithater
01-25-2010, 06:16 PM
Serena herself brought up the point about being fined more than a man would have been. Pam Shriver may have just been repeating what Serena herself said. Can't speak to Pam Shriver's leanings one way or the other since I try to tune out a lot of her commentary anyway.


Thats because its not commentary. Its the ex tour player talk radio show. Commentary is a joke now. There is no analysis of play whatsoever by the women commentators. Its gossip stories and fasion. Cahill is the only one that really does an analysis anymore. Sometimes patrick is good. Thats it.

MJ angel
01-25-2010, 06:41 PM
This forum is SO MUCH sexist i cant believe it , shoked !!

angry1
01-25-2010, 06:50 PM
Fair enough - I didn't know that. In English though, they're palindromes.

Yes they are.

I was hoping someone would confirm or deny the non-English bit,it could well be a garbled memory.

brithater
01-25-2010, 06:57 PM
This forum is SO MUCH sexist i cant believe it , shoked !!

Thats why its the MENS Tennis Forums.

sammy01
01-25-2010, 07:03 PM
no. tennis whether some people care to admit it has a pretty big women/gay following, and having womens tennis up there with the mens is part of this.

i have always said that promoting both games is always the way forward as fans crossover from one to both. making tennis men vs women is not a good thing for either game.

philosophicalarf
01-25-2010, 07:13 PM
It's not sexist to point out that the WTA is simply ****. Henin and Clijsters are just further proof of this.

oranges
01-25-2010, 07:43 PM
Yes they are.

I was hoping someone would confirm or deny the non-English bit,it could well be a garbled memory.

They are not really palindromes, the two Cs and two Ss are not really the same. It's Čilić and Seleš

mistercrabs
01-27-2010, 08:14 PM
Does anybody remember back in the day when men's tennis was all about people whacking aces at each other, and was therefore utterly boring. Does anybody remember the snoozefest of Ivanisevic vs. Rafter at Wimbledon, and the abject boredom of every Sampras game? Back then, women's tennis was far more about finesse and skill than the men's, and it had a much better array of players than today. Today women's tennis may be in the doldrums, but a few years ago it was more entertaining and interesting than the men's, and it could be again.

tennisphilia
01-27-2010, 08:20 PM
its the sex that sells women tennis, any1 who thinks otherwise is delusional

TOTALLY AGREE. Even the WTA website is unashamed to admit so. There is a link from the website to vote for either ANA IVANOVIC and MARIA SHARAPOVA as one of the sexiest females out there.

Quadruple Tree
01-27-2010, 09:17 PM
Does anybody remember back in the day when men's tennis was all about people whacking aces at each other, and was therefore utterly boring. Does anybody remember the snoozefest of Ivanisevic vs. Rafter at Wimbledon, and the abject boredom of every Sampras game? Back then, women's tennis was far more about finesse and skill than the men's, and it had a much better array of players than today. Today women's tennis may be in the doldrums, but a few years ago it was more entertaining and interesting than the men's, and it could be again.

The only people who remember such a day are those who didn't follow tennis in the 90's. It's a complete myth that men's tennis in the 90's was all serve. The best players were Sampras, an all court player during his prime, and Agassi, an aggressive baseliner. Other Slam winners in the 90's were baseliners like Kafelnikov, Courier, Bruguera, Muster, Kuerten, and Moya as well as serve and volley players like Edberg and Rafter who didn't have a big serve but relied on excellent awareness and touch at the net instead. Then there were other successful players in the 90's who didn't have overpowering serves such as Chang, Rios, and Henman. Anyone who actually watched tennis remembers an era with great variety in playing styles, not an ace fest as you claim.

nolop
01-27-2010, 11:15 PM
the other day everyone was saying how Serena got off easy and Pam said if she was a men, she wouldn't be fined that much. I mean that's utterly moronic.

Really? That's why Agassi got a way with doping and Hingis got banned for two years?

brithater
01-28-2010, 01:34 AM
The only people who remember such a day are those who didn't follow tennis in the 90's. It's a complete myth that men's tennis in the 90's was all serve. The best players were Sampras, an all court player during his prime, and Agassi, an aggressive baseliner. Other Slam winners in the 90's were baseliners like Kafelnikov, Courier, Bruguera, Muster, Kuerten, and Moya as well as serve and volley players like Edberg and Rafter who didn't have a big serve but relied on excellent awareness and touch at the net instead. Then there were other successful players in the 90's who didn't have overpowering serves such as Chang, Rios, and Henman. Anyone who actually watched tennis remembers an era with great variety in playing styles, not an ace fest as you claim.

Yup. The early 90s with Conners, McEnroe, Lendle still playing were even better. The 90s were the last hurray for variety in tennis. The days when men were men, Serve and Volleyers were not extinct, Every male player didnt cry at the drop of a hat, and Players did not read off a script during interviews. Back then womens tennis was actually played by women instead of American Idol contestants paradeing in fasion shows both on and off court. It was so different that The womens game even had serve and volleyers.

Now all the players are afraid. Afraid to come to net. Afraid to be aggresive. Afraid to fail. Afraid to upset people. Afraid to challange others. Afraid to win. Thats why they cry. They are afraid. Sometimes I think they are afraid to touch the trophy as they almost always cry when someone hands it to them. When I was a kid my my male role models did not cry. I hate to see what the next generation will bring. Tennis players with diapers and pacifiers maybe.

Emperor Yi
01-28-2010, 02:36 AM
sex always sells.

this.

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