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AO Courts look slow - Too many breaks of serve in the men's game

RogerFan82
01-19-2010, 07:03 AM
The courts seem too slow this year. There have been multiple breaks of serve in several men's matches already. Karlovic lost his serve several times. Both Tsonga-Stakhovsky and Federer-Andreev matches have seen multiple breaks of serve as well. The wind blowing from one end of the court might be a factor but the courts seem way too slow this year. Are they using a heavier ball this year ?

rubbERR
01-19-2010, 07:05 AM
karlovic lost his serve because he didnt serve many 1st serves in at times :lol:

philosophicalarf
01-19-2010, 07:06 AM
It's just been colder than usual, and wind doesn't exactly help the servers either.

Halba
01-19-2010, 07:06 AM
The courts seem too slow this year. There have been multiple breaks of serve in several men's matches already. Karlovic lost his serve several times. Both Tsonga-Stakhovsky and Federer-Andreev matches have seen multiple breaks of serve as well. The wind blowing from one end of the court might be a factor but the courts seem way too slow this year. Are they using a heavier ball this year ?

moonballers galore

samanosuke
01-19-2010, 07:08 AM
As all courts wherever you go

Topspin Forehand
01-19-2010, 07:25 AM
Yeah and the French Open was too fast last year. I'm enjoying it though. A hard court with this much grit makes it interesting. Though I think it can be dangerous to as Nadal slipped pretty badly yesterday.

Mjau!
01-19-2010, 07:28 AM
Nadal served 11 aces though...

Noleta
01-19-2010, 07:29 AM
moonballers galore

:lol:

philosophicalarf
01-19-2010, 07:29 AM
Nadal served 11 aces though...

Chardy served 22 aces in 2 sets on the ultra slow Hamburg clay, so single matches don't mean much :-)

Topspin Forehand
01-19-2010, 07:32 AM
Nadal served 11 aces though...
You really can't base a surface speed around one match or the amount of aces in one match. It's the whole tournament that you can get a good idea. This tournament feels slower than the French Open 2009. Truer bounces along with heavier balls makes the serve not much of a weapon.

Mjau!
01-19-2010, 07:33 AM
Chardy served 22 aces in 2 sets on the ultra slow Hamburg clay, so single matches don't mean much :-)

Unless they point to a slow court...

Seriously though, it's AO, isn't it always slow as far as hard courts go?

Nidhogg
01-19-2010, 07:35 AM
I don't see a huge difference to last year or the year before.

Yeah and the French Open was too fast last year. I'm enjoying it though. A hard court with this much grit makes it interesting. Though I think it can be dangerous to as Nadal slipped pretty badly yesterday.

Fast clay with light balls is nowhere near as moronic as these sticky and coarse surfaces. That combined with the heavy balls are simply taylormade conditions to put maximum stress on the body.

philosophicalarf
01-19-2010, 07:37 AM
Yeah, all Plexicushion courts have very low serve advantage, about 62% points won over the years. Of hard courts, only Rebound Ace is (marginally) lower, as are all clay courts except the altitude ones like Munich/Madrid/Gstaad.

Nidhogg
01-19-2010, 07:38 AM
Seriously though, it's AO, isn't it always slow as far as hard courts go?

Relatively, yes, but they used much lighter balls a couple of years (shit, it's a decade now) back.

MgScOlDlZWY

Sunset of Age
01-19-2010, 07:54 AM
:bs:

Nadal served 11 aces though...

This.

born_on_clay
01-19-2010, 07:59 AM
:bs:



This.

+1

Nidhogg
01-19-2010, 08:01 AM
It's not all about the ace count. Look at how the players have to construct their points once a rally is underway.

How easy is it to rob your opponent off time and hit winners?
How easy is it to set yourself up for your shots and retrieve?
How fast does the ball travel through the air in a rally, and does the shot penetrate through the court or sit up after impact?

Compare it with some highlights from the USO, Cincinatti, the recent Abu Dhabi exhibition or whatever. You can also listen to how the balls sound when they are hit. It's not that hard to tell if they are heavy or light.

Oh well. I still don't see a notable difference to AO 08 or 09, if this is what this thread ultimately is about.

Sunset of Age
01-19-2010, 08:03 AM
Oh well. I still don't see a notable difference to AO 08 or 09, if this is what this thread ultimately is about.

That's how I understood it at least. :)

Har-Tru
01-19-2010, 10:30 AM
The only difference is caused by the wind and weather conditions. AO is now a tad faster than it used to be but it's still medium-slow hard courts (not as slow as IW or Miami though).

philosophicalarf
01-19-2010, 04:51 PM
Points won on serve so far this year is down about 1% compared to 08/09, which is usually visible to the naked eye (doesn't sound like much, but the difference between clay and midspeed hard is only about 3%). 1% is about what you'd expect given the temperature/wind.

Action Jackson
01-19-2010, 10:06 PM
Wah wah wah, they are slow medium.

Corey Feldman
01-19-2010, 11:08 PM
its as slow as ass

Topspin Forehand
01-20-2010, 02:55 AM
its as slow as ass
I didn't know ass was slow.