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AO 2010 Draw - QF Matchups

Leo
01-14-2010, 11:28 PM
Federer
Davydenko

Djokovic
Soderling

Del Potro
Roddick

Murray
Nadal

:tape:

Luinir
01-14-2010, 11:32 PM
Lucky Fed.

Ad Wim
01-14-2010, 11:34 PM
Ur not serious are you?

Mungo
01-14-2010, 11:35 PM
Cakewalk draw for Davydenko

rolandgarros
01-14-2010, 11:41 PM
wtf fed 's draw

william_renshaw
01-14-2010, 11:42 PM
Rafa could have to deal with isner and karlovic in successive matches r3 and r4

rubbERR
01-14-2010, 11:44 PM
whining about fed's draw when guy almost lost gulbis in doha

Mungo
01-14-2010, 11:44 PM
sorry double post

vamosinator
01-14-2010, 11:51 PM
Davydenko v Rafa Final :yeah:

vamosinator
01-14-2010, 11:52 PM
Rafa could have to deal with isner and karlovic in successive matches r3 and r4

That would be funny watching Karlovic trying to win a rally :lol:

Corey Feldman
01-14-2010, 11:55 PM
only Fed could draw the 2 most in form players since US Open - Davydenko and Djokovic in his half and have ppl still call his draw a cake walk

theseth1119
01-14-2010, 11:55 PM
A Rogie-Chokovic SF would tell a lot, b/c the only way Chokovic can become #1 and Rogie #2 (also Rafa down to #3) is if Chokovic wins the AO outright and Rogie loses before the SF. So Chokovic does NOT want to face Rogie, Chokovic's hoping that Rogie loses to Davy in the QF.

Amber Spyglass
01-14-2010, 11:58 PM
A Rogie-Chokovic SF would tell a lot, b/c the only way Chokovic can become #1 and Rogie #2 (also Rafa down to #3) is if Chokovic wins the AO outright and Rogie loses before the SF. So Chokovic does NOT want to face Rogie, Chokovic's hoping that Rogie loses to Davy in the QF.

Chokovic has to get through Tsonga or Sod in quarters but I think Tsonga will win over Sod

MalwareDie
01-14-2010, 11:59 PM
Federer is in trouble if Davydenko makes it that far.

Amber Spyglass
01-14-2010, 11:59 PM
only Fed could draw the 2 most in form players since US Open - Davydenko and Djokovic in his half and have ppl still call his draw a cake walk

What's this Mickey,a backhanded compliment for Djokovic,miracles do happen :p :lol:

Amber Spyglass
01-15-2010, 12:00 AM
Federer is in trouble if Davydenko makes it that far.

Fed will be praying it's a day match

rolandgarros
01-15-2010, 12:04 AM
only Fed could draw the 2 most in form players since US Open - Davydenko and Djokovic in his half and have ppl still call his draw a cake walk

We all know Davydenko is a joke at GS

bad gambler
01-15-2010, 12:06 AM
Davydenko v Rafa Final :yeah:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

madmax
01-15-2010, 12:06 AM
Nadull is doomed...good to see

SerenaFederer
01-15-2010, 12:09 AM
Federer is in trouble if Davydenko makes it that far.


amazingly...all these players who beat fed in two sets hardly beat him that easily in 3/5 sets

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:14 AM
Nadull is doomed...good to see

LOL he beat Murray 6-1 6-2 at 2009 Indian Wells, and Del Potro was horrid at AO 09 winning what 3 games v Federer? Plus Roddick is in better form than Del Potro and they play each other before either can meet Rafa, the draw couldn't be easier for Rafa :yeah: while Federer has the worst draw imaginable :o

doublebackhand
01-15-2010, 12:15 AM
what about murray vs nadal? thats an interesting QF?

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:21 AM
what about murray vs nadal? thats an interesting QF?

Murray can't overpower Rafa, and his best opportunity to beat Rafa would be the US Open when Rafa is not feeling good. I see major advantages for Rafa in this matchup at Melbourne Park, just as there was at Indian Wells :yeah: this is the QF matchup Rafa would have been hoping for compared to getting Davydenko, Soderling or Djokovic :yeah:

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 12:24 AM
At least Davydenko and Djokovic are on Fed's side. That is huge actually.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:27 AM
I think Roddick will take Del Potro out anyway, from what I've seen of each of them at Melbourne Park in the past :D

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 12:29 AM
Top 8 is sick right now I gotta say. No easy Quarterfinals for anyone.

n8
01-15-2010, 12:29 AM
At least Davydenko and Djokovic are on Fed's side. That is huge actually.

Definitely. Federer has a very unlucky draw. Even Andreev first up is pretty tough. Andreev pushed him to 5 at the US Open in 2008.

Moya got a qualifier, yay!

Amber Spyglass
01-15-2010, 12:29 AM
At least Davydenko and Djokovic are on Fed's side. That is huge actually.

Verdasco is going to be be a tough match up for Davydenko

tangerine_dream
01-15-2010, 12:33 AM
What's the worst nightmare final we can get out of this group, Del Potro-Davydenko? That'll probably be it.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:33 AM
Verdasco is going to be be a tough match up for Davydenko

Yep, that matchup and on the other side Roddick v Del Potro could both go either way :)

Amber Spyglass
01-15-2010, 12:35 AM
What's the worst nightmare final we can get out of this group, Del Potro-Davydenko? That'll probably be it.

It's a close run thing between Murray and Del Potro

Kolya
01-15-2010, 12:37 AM
We all know Davydenko is a joke at GS

You're a joke.

Arkulari
01-15-2010, 12:46 AM
Kolya is now THE in-form player, he's gonna be a tough nut to crack for Roger :help:

TMJordan
01-15-2010, 12:46 AM
Roddick should worry about his first round match first, I am calling the upset here.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:50 AM
Both Roddick and Federer need to be in form for their 1st rounds :yeah:

theseth1119
01-15-2010, 12:50 AM
Davy's never ever made it past the QF of the AO and that's not about to change. Seriously, Davy might not even make it out of the 4th round because of Fernando Verdasco.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:53 AM
Verdasco was unlucky not to win AO last year, and given his gradual improvement and tough training regime at Agassi's place, I think he has a great chance of winning his half :yeah:

Cyrus_Paice
01-15-2010, 12:54 AM
Good to see Nadal and Davydenko in seperate halves.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 12:57 AM
Good to see Nadal and Davydenko in seperate halves.

Yeah I considered Djokovic and Davydenko as the 2 biggest threats to Rafa, some would say Del Potro but the US Open surface helps him a lot more than AO plus I think Roddick will beat Del :D

General Suburbia
01-15-2010, 01:02 AM
Really looking forward to Davydenko beating Federer and getting to his first final.

Pea
01-15-2010, 01:05 AM
Fed/Delpo final :bounce:

gulzhan
01-15-2010, 01:06 AM
Federer will beat Davydenko (in Doha he tanked), Djoko will be weak after Soderling (if he does go through to the semi), Nadal will lose to Murray. So, could be another Fed vs Delpo final, if Delpo's injury is fake. If not, then another Fed vs Murray final.

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 01:08 AM
Federer will beat Davydenko (in Doha he tanked), Djoko will be weak after Soderling (if he does go through to the semi), Nadal will lose to Murray. So, could be another Fed vs Delpo final, if Delpo's injury is fake. If not, then another Fed vs Murray final.
lol Nadal lose to Murray? What has Murray done lately to be such a threat? Slower courts in Melbourne help Rafa. And Davydenko is playing the best tennis of his life. Davydenko could win it all.

gulzhan
01-15-2010, 01:12 AM
I was complaining :p

And Davydenko's best tennis of life could get short.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:13 AM
Federer will beat Davydenko (in Doha he tanked), Djoko will be weak after Soderling (if he does go through to the semi), Nadal will lose to Murray. So, could be another Fed vs Delpo final, if Delpo's injury is fake. If not, then another Fed vs Murray final.

Even when Murray was at his best in Indian Wells 09 Rafa beat him 6-1 6-2. Murray beat Rafa at the US Open when Rafa was worn out after Olympics, but apart from that Rafa owns him :yeah:

theseth1119
01-15-2010, 01:16 AM
Personally I don't care who's on the other side of the net in the finals, I have Rogie winning the 2010 AO.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:18 AM
Personally I don't care who's on the other side of the net in the finals, I have Rogie winning the 2010 AO.

Or lose in the first round if he's rusty, that'd be fun too :D

Arkulari
01-15-2010, 01:18 AM
Even when Murray was at his best in Indian Wells 09 Rafa beat him 6-1 6-2. Murray beat Rafa at the US Open when Rafa was worn out after Olympics, but apart from that Rafa owns him :yeah:

OMG, you're back!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:
kudos for not hiding after your disastrous predictions last year :yeah: :D

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:19 AM
OMG, you're back!!! :woohoo: :woohoo:
kudos for not hiding after your disastrous predictions last year :yeah: :D

Nothing I could do about injuries and divorce, all will be revealed this year :yeah:

madmax
01-15-2010, 01:20 AM
Even when Murray was at his best in Indian Wells 09 Rafa beat him 6-1 6-2. Murray beat Rafa at the US Open when Rafa was worn out after Olympics, but apart from that Rafa owns him :yeah:

Rafa doesn't own anybody from Top 5 anymore...get real here

Sunset of Age
01-15-2010, 01:21 AM
Nothing I could do about injuries and divorce, all will be revealed this year :yeah:

Wow. you're funny. :worship:

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:22 AM
Rafa doesn't own anybody from Top 5 anymore...get real here

Federer, always has always will. Plus he defeated Murray 6-1 6-2 at Indian Wells 09, and he certainly owns Djokovic at Roland Garros, Wimbledon and Olympic hardcourt :yeah:

Leo
01-15-2010, 01:22 AM
Davy/Delpo final.

theseth1119
01-15-2010, 01:23 AM
Well let's look at the h-2-h b/w Rogie and Andreev....

Rogie leads 2-0...

Year Tournament & City Surface Round Winner & Score
2008 US Open
NY, U.S.A. Hard R16 Federer, Roger
6-7(5), 7-6(5), 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Stats
2004 Gstaad
Switzerland Clay F Federer, Roger
6-2, 6-3, 5-7, 6-3 Stats

Looks fairly one sided to me. I think it might go 4 sets, but not 5. Good chance even three. Rogie's got this!

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:25 AM
Well let's look at the h-2-h b/w Rogie and Andreev....

Rogie leads 2-0...

Year Tournament & City Surface Round Winner & Score
2008 US Open
NY, U.S.A. Hard R16 Federer, Roger
6-7(5), 7-6(5), 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 Stats
2004 Gstaad
Switzerland Clay F Federer, Roger
6-2, 6-3, 5-7, 6-3 Stats

Looks fairly one sided to me. I think it might go 4 sets, but not 5. Good chance even three. Rogie's got this!

I knew about the 5-setter at US Open but did not realise Andreev also stretched him to 4 sets, that truly is a dangerous matchup if Federer is less than in form (which has been the case since USO 09) :o

Black Friday
01-15-2010, 01:26 AM
Federer, always has always will. Plus he defeated Murray 6-1 6-2 at Indian Wells 09, and he certainly owns Djokovic at Roland Garros, Wimbledon and Olympic hardcourt :yeah:

You seem to think that Indian wells happened last week, Rafa is far from the player he was then.

theseth1119
01-15-2010, 01:27 AM
I don't see Rogie being anything less than in form. After all he's Rogie and this is a GS.

gulzhan
01-15-2010, 01:28 AM
Fed's fans are pathetic. Seriously, analyzing his chances in the 1st match against Andreev who simply can't play now :help:

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:28 AM
You seem to think that Indian wells happened last week, Rafa is far from the player he was then.

If you saw Rafa's last 2 events you wouldn't say that, his serve is faster than ever, his groundstrokes are 121km/h at Doha compared to 111km/h at World Tour Finals, and he does look in better shape than when he lost to Monfils in straights this time last year :D

madmax
01-15-2010, 01:30 AM
If you saw Rafa's last 2 events you wouldn't say that, his serve is faster than ever, his groundstrokes are 121km/h at Doha compared to 111km/h at World Tour Finals, and he does look in better shape than when he lost to Monfils in straights this time last year :D

uh...so how come your mighty Rafa, being in a form of his life, lost to mediocre Davydenko?:rolleyes:

Black Friday
01-15-2010, 01:30 AM
If you saw Rafa's last 2 events you wouldn't say that, his serve is faster than ever, his groundstrokes are 121km/h at Doha compared to 111km/h at World Tour Finals, and he does look in better shape than when he lost to Monfils in straights this time last year :D

I still wouldn't say he was at the form he was at Indian Wells last year though neither is Murray so maybe you are right in saying that Rafa will beat Murray.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:31 AM
uh...so how come your mighty Rafa, being in a form of his life, lost to mediocre Davydenko?:rolleyes:

He will always lose the occasional match (in best of 3) to Davy, its just that kind of matchup. But he'd beat him in 5 most likely :yeah: but let's get real, did you see the score of that match? 6-0 first set, then barely lost the tie-breaker (had 2 matchpoints), then was up a break in the 3rd. It looked more mental than anything else :D

paseo
01-15-2010, 01:36 AM
Nadal will reach the SF easily. If Del Potro loses before the SF, Nadal will surely be in the final.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 01:38 AM
I hope Roddick plays Rafa, that is a great contrast of tennis styles :D

Corey Feldman
01-15-2010, 01:43 AM
Fed drew a 1st round opponent who was a few spots from being a seed

possibly Hanescu in 2r who is in top50

3rd rnd was his nice draw

Arkulari
01-15-2010, 02:06 AM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2010/01/2nd-Week/Australian-Open-Draw-Preview.aspx

Reigning ATP World Tour Champion Roger Federer has reached the semi-finals at a record 22 straight Grand Slam tournaments – 12 more than previous record-holder Ivan Lendl – but the Swiss will have his work cut out for him over the next Australian Open fortnight in order to keep the record intact.

Following the completion of the draw ceremony Friday morning in Melbourne, the contenders in Federer’s top quarter of the draw have been revealed: Nikolay Davydenko, who comes in with a nine-match winning streak and confidence riding high; Fernando Verdasco, who lost to eventual champion last year in an epic five-set semi-final; Marcos Baghdatis, the runner-up to Federer in 2006; and three former World No. 1 players in Lleyton Hewitt, Juan Carlos Ferrero and Carlos Moya.

Federer, who opens against Russian Igor Andreev, could potentially face Australian title hope Hewitt or French No. 15 seed Gilles Simon in the fourth round. Davydenko’s road to the quarter-finals will first come through a qualifier, then potentially Moya in the second round and Verdasco or Ferrero in the fourth.

Should Federer and Davydenko meet in the quarter-finals, this would be the third straight tournament that the pair would be facing off. After jumping out to a 12-0 lead in the head-to-head series, Federer has dropped his last two match against the Russian – in the semi-finals of last November’s Barclays ATP World Tour Finals and again last week at the Qatar ExxonMobil Open. Davydenko also defeated World No. 2 Nadal en route to the title wins at both of those tournaments.

In the bottom quarter of the draw, defending champion Nadal and World No. 5 Andy Murray are slated for a quarter-final fight. Nadal holds the 7-2 in the head-to-head series, including a five-sets win in the fourth round of the Australian Open three years ago.

More to come...

Michael Bluth
01-15-2010, 02:11 AM
Remember Murray took Rafa to five at the AO three years ago.

nsidhan
01-15-2010, 02:15 AM
A tough draw is probably what Fed needs.

Top Half
--------
4th Round: Federer vs. Hewitt, Verdasco vs. Davydenko
Q-Finals: Federer vs. Davydenko
4th Round: Djokovic vs. Robredo, Tsonga vs. Soderling
Q-Finals: Djokovic vs. Soderling

SEMIS: Federer vs. Soderling

Bottom Half
-----------
4th Round: Roddick vs. Berdych, Cilic vs. Del Potro
Q-Finals: Roddick vs. Cilic
4th Round: Murray vs. Monfils, Nadal vs. Fish
Q-Finals: Murray vs. Nadal

SEMIS: Roddick vs. Nadal

FINAL: Federer vs. Roddick

WINNER: Roger Federer! :wavey:

Sunset of Age
01-15-2010, 02:28 AM
Pretty even draw I think. :shrug:
Both of sides containing some Banana Skins.

Langers
01-15-2010, 02:37 AM
Federer's cakewalk draw. :o So typical.

paseo
01-15-2010, 02:40 AM
Pretty even draw I think. :shrug:
Both of sides containing some Banana Skins.

Care to tell me who is the potential banana skin in Nadal & Djokovic's quarter?

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 02:40 AM
Federer's cakewalk draw. :o So typical.
Davydenko a cakewalk draw? Did you watch Doha? I'm just glad Nadal doesn't have Davydenko on his side. But I guess the hot player can change every week. We really won't know who is in form until the second week of AO. The Draw looks pretty even.

Puschkin
01-15-2010, 02:42 AM
Definitely. Federer has a very unlucky draw. Even Andreev first up is pretty tough. Andreev pushed him to 5 at the US Open in 2008.
And what does this say about 2010? I like Igor, but he has been rather poor recently. I am sure Roger will spend a whole night worrying about him.

Corey Feldman
01-15-2010, 02:46 AM
i bet Andreev finds the form of his life suddenly

Langers
01-15-2010, 02:48 AM
Davydenko a cakewalk draw? Did you watch Doha? I'm just glad Nadal doesn't have Davydenko on his side. But I guess the hot player can change every week. We really won't know who is in form until the second week of AO. The Draw looks pretty even.
Yeah you're probably right.

Clydey
01-15-2010, 03:15 AM
Murray can't overpower Rafa, and his best opportunity to beat Rafa would be the US Open when Rafa is not feeling good. I see major advantages for Rafa in this matchup at Melbourne Park, just as there was at Indian Wells :yeah: this is the QF matchup Rafa would have been hoping for compared to getting Davydenko, Soderling or Djokovic :yeah:

Yes, let's gloss over the fact that the IW match was played in gale force winds.

Murray can overpower Nadal. He proves that he can hit through him every time they play on hard.

.-Federers_Mate-.
01-15-2010, 03:17 AM
Watch out for Taylor Dent every one..:D.. Looking forward to that epic 5 set night match against Jo on MCA

Clydey
01-15-2010, 03:18 AM
lol Nadal lose to Murray? What has Murray done lately to be such a threat? Slower courts in Melbourne help Rafa. And Davydenko is playing the best tennis of his life. Davydenko could win it all.

Murray has done a shitload more than Nadal lately. For example, he didn't lose 3 times at the WTF.

paseo
01-15-2010, 03:24 AM
Murray has done a shitload more than Nadal lately. For example, he didn't lose 3 times at the WTF.

Don't you know that Nadal is in "PeakFormRafito" mode, nowadays? Murray has no chance whatsoever, that is if he can even get to the SF.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 03:28 AM
Murray has done a shitload more than Nadal lately. For example, he didn't lose 3 times at the WTF.

But don't forget Rafa was only hitting groundstrokes at exactly 111km/h at world tour finals, then in doha it was 121km/h :yeah:

MalwareDie
01-15-2010, 03:30 AM
But don't forget Rafa was only hitting groundstrokes at exactly 111km/h at world tour finals, then in doha it was 121km/h :yeah:

Hi, RafitoGOAT.

Clydey
01-15-2010, 03:31 AM
But don't forget Rafa was only hitting groundstrokes at exactly 111km/h at world tour finals, then in doha it was 121km/h :yeah:

That's amazing consistency. He hit all of his groundstrokes at precisely the same speed at the respective tournaments? It's almost as if you just made that up.

Why don't you remind us again that Rafa beat Murray in 40mph winds at IW? :lol: I can hardly think of a match that is less relevant in terms of its implications.

RogerFan82
01-15-2010, 03:36 AM
RAFAwonCYGS = RafaWon09Usopen = RafitoGoat = GoatParera = IQ of ZERO

gulzhan
01-15-2010, 03:44 AM
What IQ has to do with tennis favorites? :confused:

barbadosan
01-15-2010, 03:50 AM
RAFAwonCYGS = RafaWon09Usopen = RafitoGoat = GoatParera = IQ of ZERO
To quote all the above named: ":yeah:" Amazing how often that smiley turns up in the posts of all 4 nicks .

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 04:08 AM
That's amazing consistency. He hit all of his groundstrokes at precisely the same speed at the respective tournaments? It's almost as if you just made that up.

Why don't you remind us again that Rafa beat Murray in 40mph winds at IW? :lol: I can hardly think of a match that is less relevant in terms of its implications.

Australian Open is rapidly windy, and the average groundstroke speeds of World Tour Finals and Doha are on public record via television commentary :yeah:

Clydey
01-15-2010, 04:21 AM
Australian Open is rapidly windy, and the average groundstroke speeds of World Tour Finals and Doha are on public record via television commentary :yeah:

The Australian Open is probably the slam that is least affected by wind, so you're making shit up as usual.

Nice to know that Rafa has solved all of his problems from last year by studying tapes for hours and hours and coming up with a remarkable that involves, wait for it, hitting the ball harder.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 04:28 AM
The Australian Open is probably the slam that is least affected by wind, so you're making shit up as usual.

Nice to know that Rafa has solved all of his problems from last year by studying tapes for hours and hours and coming up with a remarkable that involves, wait for it, hitting the ball harder.

I never said it was the windiest slam, its just that wind is a factor in Melbourne, its known for unpredictable weather including strong wind warnings in forecasts. So to say that Murray is safe from being thrashed off the court is not true. He can't play in strong winds, and thats a major flaw in his game. Aside from that however, Rafa is a better hardcourt player as shown by results :yeah:

Clydey
01-15-2010, 04:33 AM
I never said it was the windiest slam, its just that wind is a factor in Melbourne, its known for unpredictable whether including strong wind warnings in forecasts. So to say that Murray is safe from being thrashed off the court is not true. He can't play in strong winds, and thats a major flaw in his game. Aside from that however, Rafa is a better hardcourt player as shown by results :yeah:

I didn't say that Murray woudldn't lose. Also, there is a difference between regular wind and what we witnessed at IW. There is no chance of that sort of wind occurring. In fact, it'll be a few years before we see conditions like that again. It was like the tennis version of crown green bowling.

You're entitled to think that Rafa is the better hardcourt player. Got any more uncanny predictions for this year?

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 04:39 AM
My prediction is barring injury the Rafa will join Laver in the Calendar Year Grand Slam club :yeah:

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 04:42 AM
The Australian Open is probably the slam that is least affected by wind, so you're making shit up as usual.

Nice to know that Rafa has solved all of his problems from last year by studying tapes for hours and hours and coming up with a remarkable that involves, wait for it, hitting the ball harder.
It takes spin considerably better due to the heat (causes higher bounces) and gritty surface. WTF brings out the worse in Nadal. Something about indoors and it being too hard to be at the top of your fitness all year long. Doha and exhibition shows Nadal is in much better form now. Anyways Murray doesn't take the ball as early as Davydenko, Soderling, and Djokovic do.

Clydey
01-15-2010, 04:46 AM
It takes spin considerably better due to the heat (causes higher bounces) and gritty surface. WTF brings out the worse in Nadal. Something about indoors and it being too hard to be at the top of your fitness all year long. Doha and exhibition shows Nadal is in much better form now. Anyways Murray doesn't take the ball as early as Davydenko, Soderling, and Djokovic do.

Soderling and Djokovic don't take the ball particularly early. I'm not sure what has given you the idea that they do. Murray plays Rafa the same way as those guys do. He flattens out his shots because of how high Rafa's forehand bounces. It's almost a liability against players who have a good two hander.

Johnny Groove
01-15-2010, 04:58 AM
Federer def. Davydenko
Djokovic def. Soderling
Roddick def. JMDP
Nadal def. Murray

Djokovic def. Federer
Roddick def. Nadal

Roddick def. Djokovic

Ole! :dance:

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 05:11 AM
Soderling and Djokovic don't take the ball particularly early. I'm not sure what has given you the idea that they do. Murray plays Rafa the same way as those guys do. He flattens out his shots because of how high Rafa's forehand bounces. It's almost a liability against players who have a good two hander.
Um yes they do. I wish they would sit far behind the baseline and duke it out with Nadal but they take it early and bully Nadal around. Murray usually likes to grind it out. Not a good idea against Nadal. See Indian Wells and Monte-Carlo on how their last matches went.

Yves.
01-15-2010, 05:18 AM
Fed is in deep trouble, I suspect a similar match as the Tipsarevic one :unsure:

Clydey
01-15-2010, 05:24 AM
Um yes they do. I wish they would sit far behind the baseline and duke it out with Nadal but they take it early and bully Nadal around. Murray usually likes to grind it out. Not a good idea against Nadal. See Indian Wells and Monte-Carlo on how their last matches went.

When did you start watching tennis? Murray does not grind it out against Nadal. The only time he has even tried was in the first set in Monte Carlo. And then in the second set he went on the attack. Other than that, Murray always goes for his shots against Nadal, without exception. I'm not sure why you're even bringing up the IW match. Neither player could attack because of the wind. It was just a case of who could keep the ball in the court the longest, and Nadal is always going to win that kind of match. His shots have safety built into them, with his heavy top spin.

Again, almost without exception, Murray ends up with more winners than Nadal when they played. In fact, on at least 2 occasions, he has more than doubled Rafa's winners: The US Open and AO matches..

Arkulari
01-15-2010, 05:29 AM
Fed is in deep trouble, I suspect a similar match as the Tipsarevic one :unsure:

yep, he has a thing about playing unnecessary 5-setters before the SF nowadays :rolleyes:

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 05:56 AM
When did you start watching tennis? Murray does not grind it out against Nadal. The only time he has even tried was in the first set in Monte Carlo. And then in the second set he went on the attack. Other than that, Murray always goes for his shots against Nadal, without exception. I'm not sure why you're even bringing up the IW match. Neither player could attack because of the wind. It was just a case of who could keep the ball in the court the longest, and Nadal is always going to win that kind of match. His shots have safety built into them, with his heavy top spin.

Again, almost without exception, Murray ends up with more winners than Nadal when they played. In fact, on at least 2 occasions, he has more than doubled Rafa's winners: The US Open and AO matches..
Nadal was more aggressive in Indian Wells than Murray was. It's not just because of the wind. Nadal felt more comfortable going for his shots despite the wind. Nadal is more comfortable against Murray and Federer than Djokovic and Davydenko. I'm more worried about Del Potro to be honest. And Nadal beat Murray last time at the Australian Open. I suspect another Nadal victory this year. Murray is even having trouble with Fed these days. A player he used to beat pretty often. His game has definitely dropped off. Probably due to tendinitis in wrist.

Clydey
01-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Nadal was more aggressive in Indian Wells than Murray was. It's not just because of the wind. Nadal felt more comfortable going for his shots despite the wind. Nadal is more comfortable against Murray and Federer than Djokovic and Davydenko. I'm more worried about Del Potro to be honest. And Nadal beat Murray last time at the Australian Open. I suspect another Nadal victory this year. Murray is even having trouble with Fed these days. A player he used to beat pretty often. His game has definitely dropped off. Probably due to tendinitis in wrist.

Nadal beat Murray at the AO in 2007, dude. A lot has happened since then. Can Nadal beat Murray on a hardcourt? Of course he can. However, if you think that IW match means anything, you're delusional. Neither could go for their shots. Do you even remember what the conditions were like? Hitting winners wasn't possible. The wind was too strong to hit through the opponent. It was simply about who could keep the ball in court the longest. It's not relevant to their future matchups, unless they play in similar conditions. And that is extremely, extremely unlikely.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Nadal was more aggressive in Indian Wells than Murray was. It's not just because of the wind. Nadal felt more comfortable going for his shots despite the wind. Nadal is more comfortable against Murray and Federer than Djokovic and Davydenko. I'm more worried about Del Potro to be honest. And Nadal beat Murray last time at the Australian Open. I suspect another Nadal victory this year. Murray is even having trouble with Fed these days. A player he used to beat pretty often. His game has definitely dropped off. Probably due to tendinitis in wrist.

^lol nadal is having trouble with federer?

You mean Madrid when Rafa had been playing on painkillers since miami? Rafa revealed in the Spanish TV interview how the pain started in Miami, and we all could see it throughout the claycourt season, culminating in Madrid and extending to RG :D

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 06:06 AM
Nadal beat Murray at the AO in 2007, dude. A lot has happened since then. Can Nadal beat Murray on a hardcourt? Of course he can. However, if you think that IW match means anything, you're delusional. Neither could go for their shots. Do you even remember what the conditions were like? Hitting winners wasn't possible. The wind was too strong to hit through the opponent. It was simply about who could keep the ball in court the longest. It's not relevant to their future matchups, unless they play in similar conditions. And that is extremely, extremely unlikely.

I guess you'll find out at in a week or 2, windy or not :D

Clydey
01-15-2010, 06:10 AM
I guess you'll find out at in a week or 2, windy or not :D

I'm not the one who is delusional enough to rule out the possibility that my favourite player can lose.

vamosinator
01-15-2010, 06:12 AM
I'm not the one who is delusional enough to rule out the possibility that my favourite player can lose.

I can't predict injury and family divorce, my prediction will be correct barring such obstacles :yeah:

Arkulari
01-15-2010, 06:14 AM
I can't predict injury and family divorce, my prediction will be correct barring such obstacles :yeah:

what kind of a witch are you if you can't? :sad:

paseo
01-15-2010, 06:15 AM
I can't predict injury and family divorce, my prediction will be correct barring such obstacles :yeah:

I can predict injury excuses :devil:

Yves.
01-15-2010, 06:16 AM
yep, he has a thing about playing unnecessary 5-setters before the SF nowadays :rolleyes:

WTF??? Look how Davy beat Fed the last two matches :rolleyes:

Mĺnu
01-15-2010, 06:20 AM
I would predict something like:

Fed d. Verdasco
Tsonga d. Djoko
JMDP d. Roddick
Nadal d. Murray

Fed d. Tsonga
JMDP d. Nadal

Fed d. JMDP

.-Federers_Mate-.
01-15-2010, 07:47 AM
Australian Open is rapidly windy, and the average groundstroke speeds of World Tour Finals and Doha are on public record via television commentary :yeah:

The Aussie opens Not windy..Rafa will lose to Isner.. as for Murray hes gona lose to Stepanek in an 5 set epic in the quarters

lazybear
01-15-2010, 09:55 AM
LOL he beat Murray 6-1 6-2 at 2009 Indian Wells, and Del Potro was horrid at AO 09 winning what 3 games v Federer? Plus Roddick is in better form than Del Potro and they play each other before either can meet Rafa, the draw couldn't be easier for Rafa :yeah: while Federer has the worst draw imaginable :o

http://www.borsosfi.hu/smiley/rofl.gif You're hilarious. I mean, really. You are the famous RAFAwonUSOpen, aren't you? I just wanna say a big fat thanks for the good times from last year. Hopefully you'll continue doing your thing during the AO as well. If there will be a blindest homer award, i'll definitely vote for you. Could be worse though, you could call your idol a pathetic choker after one match. Anyway, if we're playing the usual game, gotta say Roger's draw looks easier on paper. Nadal has a tough, i mean TOUGH finish on paper. But i guess they have to get there first. I wouldn't be surprised if both Roger and Rafa our before the semis.

McAlistar
01-15-2010, 10:16 AM
Even when Murray was at his best in Indian Wells 09 Rafa beat him 6-1 6-2. Murray beat Rafa at the US Open when Rafa was worn out after Olympics, but apart from that Rafa owns him :yeah:

Abseloute rubbish, Murray was returning from injury that tournament playing one of his worst matches. Rafa won it because of his better rallying forehand, it was a total write off final though.

LocoPorElTenis
01-15-2010, 12:09 PM
cya Fed

Corey Feldman
01-15-2010, 12:36 PM
I can predict injury excuses :devil:


http://i48.tinypic.com/2uhq25f.gif

tennizen
01-15-2010, 12:45 PM
PeakFormRafito to breeze through the draw:rocker2:

Clydey
01-15-2010, 03:45 PM
PeakFormRafito to breeze through the draw:rocker2:

You have a llama in your avatar. Are you trying to be cute?

Garson007
01-15-2010, 03:48 PM
You have a llama in your avatar. Are you trying to be cute?
Looks more like it's choking, tbh.

Noleta
01-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Rafa:tape:

tennizen
01-15-2010, 03:48 PM
You have a llama in your avatar. Are you trying to be cute?

Yes:D Am I succeeding?

Clydey
01-15-2010, 03:56 PM
Yes:D Am I succeeding?

Yes...

rofe
01-15-2010, 04:00 PM
Yes:D Am I succeeding?

It is cute that you lurk in the Fed forum...

Clydey
01-15-2010, 04:09 PM
Looks more like it's choking, tbh.

That llama is just fine. He's simply upper class.

LucasArg
01-15-2010, 04:23 PM
Who top player did Rafa beat recently offically in order to claim he is the favourite?
As far as I'm concerned he is 1 win 10 losses against top players since RG.

guga2120
01-15-2010, 04:25 PM
It's too bad Murray, is not in Roger's quarter. He could have ended that SF streak.

tennizen
01-15-2010, 04:34 PM
Yes...

I am glad:D

It is cute that you lurk in the Fed forum...

I have been lurking in the Fed forum since God invented the Fed forum:rocker2:

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 05:29 PM
It's too bad Murray, is not in Roger's quarter. He could have ended that SF streak.
Davydenko can't beat Roger? He beat them the last 2 times they played. Nadal would take Murray over those big hitters any day.
I like the matchup even though Clydey continues to say that Murray is ultra aggressive which he isn't. Nadal will win or lose that match depending if he is on or not. Murray will not rush him as much. Especially on a slower hardcourt.

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 05:32 PM
^lol nadal is having trouble with federer?

You mean Madrid when Rafa had been playing on painkillers since miami? Rafa revealed in the Spanish TV interview how the pain started in Miami, and we all could see it throughout the claycourt season, culminating in Madrid and extending to RG :D
I said Murray and Federer aren't as difficult for Rafa as Djokovic and Davydenko are. lol

Clydey
01-15-2010, 06:44 PM
Davydenko can't beat Roger? He beat them the last 2 times they played. Nadal would take Murray over those big hitters any day.
I like the matchup even though Clydey continues to say that Murray is ultra aggressive which he isn't. Nadal will win or lose that match depending if he is on or not. Murray will not rush him as much. Especially on a slower hardcourt.

Murray is ultra aggressive when he plays Nadal. Anyone who has watched their matches will tell you that. Tell me, in your alternate universe, did Murray wait for Nadal to make errors at the US Open in 2008?

guga2120
01-15-2010, 07:12 PM
Davydenko can't beat Roger? He beat them the last 2 times they played.

Unfortunately, its very different beating the arrogant one in 5 sets.



Nadal would take Murray over those big hitters any day.
I like the matchup even though Clydey continues to say that Murray is ultra aggressive which he isn't. Nadal will win or lose that match depending if he is on or not. Murray will not rush him as much. Especially on a slower hardcourt.

It is not a good matchup for Andy Murray, I think he would certainly prefer to play Roger or JMDP, but he can beat him. He just has to go watch that match he played against him in NY in 08. If Murray, just sits back and plays defense against Rafa, he will get his ass kicked in 3, but if he plays more agressive especially on the return, based on Rafa's recent form he should beat him in at most 4 sets.

Topspin Forehand
01-15-2010, 10:21 PM
Murray is ultra aggressive when he plays Nadal. Anyone who has watched their matches will tell you that. Tell me, in your alternate universe, did Murray wait for Nadal to make errors at the US Open in 2008?
Nadal was very exhausted that US Open. He won the Olympics which took a lot out of him. He just didn't have the energy for the US Open that year. Many unusual mistakes that I guess Murray can force on you if you are not right. And the US Open is much quicker than the Australian Open. Murray is not as good as 2008 either. He was beating all the top players that year but lost to them all in 2009. Murray is good at counter-punching but Nadal likes to use his spin to draw errors and get you out of position. A slow court like the Australian Open really makes a big difference in this matchup. Davydenko and Djokovic are much tougher matchups for Nadal on any type of surface as they like the extra time Nadal gives them actually.

Pea
01-15-2010, 10:49 PM
Have the rafa fans always been this annoying? Just wondering.

madmax
01-15-2010, 11:14 PM
Have the rafa fans always been this annoying? Just wondering.

pretty much, yeah..

Clydey
01-15-2010, 11:21 PM
Nadal was very exhausted that US Open. He won the Olympics which took a lot out of him. He just didn't have the energy for the US Open that year. Many unusual mistakes that I guess Murray can force on you if you are not right. And the US Open is much quicker than the Australian Open. Murray is not as good as 2008 either. He was beating all the top players that year but lost to them all in 2009. Murray is good at counter-punching but Nadal likes to use his spin to draw errors and get you out of position. A slow court like the Australian Open really makes a big difference in this matchup. Davydenko and Djokovic are much tougher matchups for Nadal on any type of surface as they like the extra time Nadal gives them actually.

Yes, fatigue. It seems to be the standard excuse. Rafa never seems to suffer a legitimate loss.

Murray hit around 80 winners against Nadal at AO 2007 and 60+ at USO 08, more than doubling Nadal's winners on both occasions. His default game is retrieving, but you know bugger all if you think he employs that tactic against Nadal. He tried it once, on clay. It didn't work.

Also, just out of curiosity, who did Murray beat in 2008 and that he didn't beat in 2009?

Stensland
01-15-2010, 11:26 PM
gulbis will take care of davydenko. you heard it here first. :)

paseo
01-15-2010, 11:32 PM
His default game is retrieving, but you know bugger all if you think he employs that tactic against Nadal. He tried it once, on clay. It didn't work.


I remember that. It was quite funny, actually. :D

paseo
01-15-2010, 11:34 PM
gulbis will take care of davydenko. you heard it here first. :)

No. Verdasco will. :cool:

Mimi
01-16-2010, 01:17 AM
murray in rafa's quarter? pff, no good:mad:

Topspin Forehand
01-16-2010, 01:36 AM
Yes, fatigue. It seems to be the standard excuse. Rafa never seems to suffer a legitimate loss.

Murray hit around 80 winners against Nadal at AO 2007 and 60+ at USO 08, more than doubling Nadal's winners on both occasions. His default game is retrieving, but you know bugger all if you think he employs that tactic against Nadal. He tried it once, on clay. It didn't work.

Also, just out of curiosity, who did Murray beat in 2008 and that he didn't beat in 2009?
Most that saw Nadal that US Open thought he was very weary. I'm sorry you try to ignore that perspective. And Federer beat Murray twice at the end of last year. Murray has lost his edge. All that defense doesn't pay off. He lost to Roddick as well. And Nadal in 2007 is a different player than now. We're talking about reigning Australian Open champion. Murray hasn't won anything and there is a reason for that. I expect it to be a close match but Nadal will come through in 4 sets. I don't think he fears Murray the way you make it out to be.

rhinooooo
01-16-2010, 01:41 AM
I agree with Clydey. You can guarantee Muzza will be aggressive against Rafa, gameplan is obvious so he has to go for it. Because his movement and defense is so good, he can hang in the long rallies, and get into positions to go for it. Not saying it's a great matchup for him, because I still think Rafa is a favourite, but it's not the worst thing in the world for Murray.

bad gambler
01-16-2010, 02:50 AM
Simon has pulled out of the AO

Clydey
01-16-2010, 03:56 AM
Most that saw Nadal that US Open thought he was very weary. I'm sorry you try to ignore that perspective. And Federer beat Murray twice at the end of last year. Murray has lost his edge. All that defense doesn't pay off. He lost to Roddick as well. And Nadal in 2007 is a different player than now. We're talking about reigning Australian Open champion. Murray hasn't won anything and there is a reason for that. I expect it to be a close match but Nadal will come through in 4 sets. I don't think he fears Murray the way you make it out to be.

I didn't say that Nadal fears Murray. You're talking nonsense, as per usual.

Halba
01-16-2010, 04:04 AM
No. Verdasco will. :cool:

gulbis and verdasco are headcases

Topspin Forehand
01-16-2010, 04:07 AM
I didn't say that Nadal fears Murray. You're talking nonsense, as per usual.
Usual? What nonsense are you talking about? I think anyone supporting Nadal would be saying nonsense according to you. I just think it is a favorable matchup. Everyone in tennis can play aggressive tennis but I don't think the attacking game comes as natural to Murray as some of the other top players. There's no doubt no one is better at blocking back pace than Murray but that is not how Nadal plays. He wears you down unless you are in constant attack. Murray can't play like Davydenko or Djokovic. Players I know that Nadal would have real problems with and probably lose to. Murray is a better matchup for Nadal. Any top player won't be easy but considering the alternatives.

Clydey
01-16-2010, 04:47 AM
Usual? What nonsense are you talking about? I think anyone supporting Nadal would be saying nonsense according to you. I just think it is a favorable matchup. Everyone in tennis can play aggressive tennis but I don't think the attacking game comes as natural to Murray as some of the other top players. There's no doubt no one is better at blocking back pace than Murray but that is not how Nadal plays. He wears you down unless you are in constant attack. Murray can't play like Davydenko or Djokovic. Players I know that Nadal would have real problems with and probably lose to. Murray is a better matchup for Nadal. Any top player won't be easy but considering the alternatives.

You're responding to a completely different argument now. I didn't say that attack comes naturally to Murray. I said that he always attacks when he plays Nadal, without fail. You can pretty much put your house on it. However, you seem to be oblvious to the fact that Murray is extremely aggressive whenever he plays Nadal.

You're not talking nonsense because you're a Rafa fan. That has nothing to do with it. You're talking nonsense because it seems like you started watching tennis two months ago.

paseo
01-16-2010, 05:42 AM
gulbis and verdasco are headcases

Verdasco had brain surgery in the off-season. He's a supreme strategist and a mental giant now. Vamos!!

Topspin Forehand
01-16-2010, 05:43 AM
You're responding to a completely different argument now. I didn't say that attack comes naturally to Murray. I said that he always attacks when he plays Nadal, without fail. You can pretty much put your house on it. However, you seem to be oblvious to the fact that Murray is extremely aggressive whenever he plays Nadal.

You're not talking nonsense because you're a Rafa fan. That has nothing to do with it. You're talking nonsense because it seems like you started watching tennis two months ago.
Well that's obvious. Everyone tries to be aggressive against Nadal. Murray just isn't as good at it as others. I also remember Murray forcing Nadal to make errors by getting extra shots back. Nadal is known for his accuracy but even that could faulter on him. The match against Simon in Madrid is a great example of that. Alright I'm done with this conversation about Nadal and Murray. We'll see what happens.

fran70
01-16-2010, 04:05 PM
Federer vs Davydenko
Djokovic vs open (Soderling-Haas- Tsonga)
open (Roddick-Gonzalez) vs open (Cilic-Troicki-Delpo)
Murray vs open (Nadal-Kohlschreiber)

Edomaster
01-17-2010, 02:49 AM
Federer vs "Avatar"
Djokovic vs "the Lizard"
Gonzalez vs "the Horse"
Murray vs "Scratches Anuses"

Quakes
01-17-2010, 03:33 AM
Federer
Davydenko

Djokovic
Soderling

Del Potro
Roddick

Murray
Nadal



Quite reasonable. Let's design a Denko win from here:

Davy d. Fed
Soderking d. Djoker
A-Rod d. Pony
Mugray d. Rafa

Davy d. Soderking
A-Rod d. Mugray

Davy d. A-Rod.
:devil:

Leo
01-17-2010, 04:17 AM
Verdasco is going to be be a tough match up for Davydenko

Davydenko is actually a horrible match-up for Verdasco. See their French Open demolition of a match.

I think Verdasco would have liked being placed in a different draw.