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World Tennis Cup - new world order?

barbadosan
01-13-2010, 11:46 AM
" An ambitious plan to transform the tennis calendar with the sport’s first World Cup is to be considered by the top male players, The Times has learnt.

In an attempt to attract a younger audience, the biennial ten-day tournament, involving 32 teams, would feature shorter matches in which players have to watch the clock between points — and, most controversial of all, compulsory mid-match substitutions.

Although the idea for a World Cup is in its formative stages, it has already been presented to leading tennis administrators and television executives, who believe that a men-only competition would attract a larger audience.

Such a move would effectively sound the death knell for the Davis Cup, which is seen as being the victim of an ill-defined format. "

Article continues at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6985410.ece

Sophocles
01-13-2010, 11:53 AM
Dreadful idea by middle-aged marketing morons trying to be "young". As so often these days. I know, let's ruin our product in the forlorn hope of appealing to people who don't like it.

n8
01-13-2010, 11:54 AM
" An ambitious plan to transform the tennis calendar with the sport’s first World Cup is to be considered by the top male players, The Times has learnt.

In an attempt to attract a younger audience, the biennial ten-day tournament, involving 32 teams, would feature shorter matches in which players have to watch the clock between points — and, most controversial of all, compulsory mid-match substitutions.

Although the idea for a World Cup is in its formative stages, it has already been presented to leading tennis administrators and television executives, who believe that a men-only competition would attract a larger audience.

Such a move would effectively sound the death knell for the Davis Cup, which is seen as being the victim of an ill-defined format. "

Article continues at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6985410.ece

Wow! Sounds very exciting and less of a committment than Davis Cup.

At the end of the article:
How it would work
The proposed biennial World Cup would feature
• A ten-day, men-only event with 32 teams in eight groups of four, 16 reaching the knockout stages.
• Each tie a single match over the best of five sets, with each nation having to field at least two players per tie — ie, enforced substitutions.
• Maximum 25sec between points.
• Tie-breaks the first to five points.

Um... shorting the tiebreaker by a small amount seems pretty pointless. It will be interesting to learn the substitution rules, for example how many sets someone can play before getting subbed off.

Sophocles
01-13-2010, 12:00 PM
Substitutions? In a tennis match? Whenever the reasoning behind an idea (read the link) is "young people don't have the attention span for [insert something worthwhile]", you know the idea's bound to be shit. If "young people" are so fucking thick, we shouldn't bother appealing to them at all.

barbadosan
01-13-2010, 12:08 PM
Substitutions? In a tennis match? Whenever the reasoning behind an idea (read the link) is "young people don't have the attention span for [insert something worthwhile]", you know the idea's bound to be shit. If "young people" are so fucking thick, we shouldn't bother appealing to them at all.

I guess it could be argued that it's being played as a "team sport", then team sports do generally allow substitutions. Practically though, the issue would be, what does the substitute player do by way of a warm-up?..(and then as I asked that, I figured the warm-up would take place on a nearby court.., presumably against his opposite number..

Har-Tru
01-13-2010, 12:09 PM
Stupid... no, not strong enough.

Idiotic... Nope, still doesn't cut it.

Abysmal...

nah, can't find the words to describe this nonsense.

Certinfy
01-13-2010, 12:11 PM
I'm confused... :rolleyes:

save ausdecline
01-13-2010, 12:15 PM
Tell me this is a joke.

save ausdecline
01-13-2010, 12:16 PM
10 days could change the traditional game of tennis forever.

barbadosan
01-13-2010, 12:19 PM
Tell me this is a joke.

I'm not saying the idea will gain or not gain traction, but Sophocles and ausdecline, you're both from cricketing nations, but maybe too young to remember the enormous outcry and outrage when the idea of limited overs cricket was first mooted... and now, 30 odd years later, it's like it was always part of the cricketing scene.

JMG
01-13-2010, 12:24 PM
Beyond pathetic. The Daviscup is the best event in tennis and it has to stay like it is.

Goldenoldie
01-13-2010, 12:24 PM
This puts me in mind of Kerry Packer in cricket, when traditionalists (like myself) damned to hell him and all his offspring.
Cricket nowadays owes much of his popularity to the fact that he wasn't afraid to innovate, and once started the floodgates were opened.

I detest the ideas propounded in the article, but in 20 years it could equally be regarded as a necessary revolution.

Sophocles
01-13-2010, 12:26 PM
I don't like one-day cricket either. As for 20/20....

peacechick
01-13-2010, 12:51 PM
Mid-match substitutions?! Most ridiculous idea ever :o
Marketing Agencies inventing sport events :rolleyes:

Garson007
01-13-2010, 12:52 PM
It seems to have the support of the players, so if the sport administrators buckle this will happen.

Edit: Substitutions will become a farce before too long, unless it gets a much bigger rule set. I can see the best player always being the last one on, though.
Edit: Edit: Maybe make it something like this, substitution is a must (and only allowed) when having lost between 10 and 15 games and won between 15 and 20, something like that.

TheBoiledEgg
01-13-2010, 01:05 PM
Mid-match substitutions?! Most ridiculous idea ever :o
Marketing Agencies inventing sport events :rolleyes:

poor Murray is screwed then
GB would have to make sub at set and 5-0 as that would be mid-match :tape:

Smidster
01-13-2010, 02:25 PM
some decent ideas, like the 25sec clock, interspersed in a load of rubbish (everything else)

Denaon
01-13-2010, 03:32 PM
It could be interesting....sports and their events have to transform and eventually evolve. I admit though the substitution idea is :tape: rubbish.

Sunset of Age
01-13-2010, 04:39 PM
Mr. Helfant shows himself a worthy successor of Mr. Disney Deville with plans like this. :worship: :retard:

Oh Lord, Save our Sports from Marketing Managers... :help:

Lopez
01-13-2010, 04:44 PM
The substitution idea is weird and should be rethought, however the clock measuring the time between points is an excellent idea.

I like Davis Cup, but if top players consistently start skipping it because of its awkwardness (and, let's face it, it's a bit weird to win DC and start all over again in a few months) the format should be changed to suit the tennis calendar that exists nowadays.

wimderon
01-13-2010, 05:03 PM
I like the idea, but they should definately drop things like the substitutions.

Why not make it a regular World Championship once every two years, without all the weird rule changes (although shorter intervals between points would be positive)?

Just have a singles event (doubles won't work) and a nations event, give it a decent place on the calendar and you will probably have a strong field, with committed crowds cheering for their nations.

peacechick
01-13-2010, 07:56 PM
Mr. Helfant shows himself a worthy successor of Mr. Disney Deville with plans like this. :worship: :retard:

Oh Lord, Save our Sports from Marketing Managers... :help:

Helfant had nothing to do with the conception of the whole idea, so he is slightly better than dear Mr. Disney :)

Roddickominator
01-13-2010, 08:30 PM
Not to say that this is necessarily the best idea...but Davis Cup definitely needs some kind of change-up. I am interested to see how this progresses.

Johnny Groove
01-13-2010, 08:49 PM
25 seconds between points is about the only good thing in this idea. The rest of it is pure shit.

There are better ways to make money with the sport as it is, since we all know $$$ is the main reason behind this idiotic idea.

acionescu
01-13-2010, 09:02 PM
There really are no words :help:

Let's have some cheerleaders at changeover too and bring Janet&Justin on :rocker2:

Or maybe they'll be too old to appeal to "younger audiences" :rolleyes: Let's bring Miley Cyrus :singer:

KoOlMaNsEaN
01-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Stupid idea. The Davis Cup is good as it is, maybe change the dates on the calendar(especially the 1st rounds). If we move it to one venue some ties will hardly have anyone at it that is from any of the two countries and therefore it loses the "home" enegetic atmosphere that really makes Davis Cup special. And saying making it a World Cup would make it exciting is tricking yourself. Just because it has the same name as one of the best sporting events in the world doesn't mean everyone will flock to the name. Davis Cup has an aura of itself, and therefore is/will be more marketable than any spin off idea.

Action Jackson
01-13-2010, 10:57 PM
Clown suggestions. The Davis Cup it's a problem at the moment, maybe they could give the finalists a bye into the quarter finals. But if they lose in the QFs, then they have to playoff for their spot in the World Group.

As always the top brass only think about the top brass and this is no different. Doubt whether they have thought about the knock on processes either. I mean we have all these shitty 28 ATP events, so it protects the tournaments which is a joke in itself.

calvinhobbes
01-13-2010, 11:10 PM
Ten days that will shake the world . . . . .:devil::devil::devil:

alter ego
01-13-2010, 11:20 PM
Mr. Helfant shows himself a worthy successor of Mr. Disney Deville with plans like this. :worship: :retard:

Oh Lord, Save our Sports from Marketing Managers... :help:

I agree Mr. Helfant is a worthy successor to Mr. Donald. But neither of them are a match to the real marketing-clown-Goat, Mr Tiriac.
Can't wait untill Mr. Tiriac becomes Atp president and starts painting the clay blue or the grass purple.

Action Jackson
01-13-2010, 11:22 PM
I agree Mr. Helfant is a worthy successor to Mr. Donald. But neither of them are a mach to the real marketing-clown-Goat, Mr Tirac.
Can't wait untill Mr. Tiriac becomes Atp president and starts painting the clay blue or the grass purple.

Hahaha.

nobama
01-13-2010, 11:40 PM
Murray supports this BS? :o

FairWeatherFan
01-13-2010, 11:51 PM
It's an absolutely pathetic idea, commesurate with the round-robin experiment for stupidity, and it only reinforces what a clown era we are in that many top players support this nonsense.

bad gambler
01-14-2010, 12:49 AM
How on earth did James Hird get involved in all this? :confused:

Sunset of Age
01-14-2010, 01:04 AM
I agree Mr. Helfant is a worthy successor to Mr. Donald. But neither of them are a match to the real marketing-clown-Goat, Mr Tiriac.
Can't wait untill Mr. Tiriac becomes Atp president and starts painting the clay blue or the grass purple.

True. :worship:

barbadosan
01-14-2010, 01:23 AM
Reading some of the comments, I can well imagine what the developers of the game of tennis may have gone through - the derision that was probably heaped upon their "stupid idea for a game". And we laughed to scorn the idea of a horseless carriage, or a flying machine.... or....

Mechlan
01-14-2010, 02:22 AM
This seems like a terrible idea.

Straya
01-14-2010, 02:32 AM
How on earth did James Hird get involved in all this? :confused:

There is nothing James Hird can't do. ;)

propi
01-14-2010, 08:02 AM
Davis Cup works, great results and great attendance, why on earth shall we change something as successful as it¿¿ :confused:

Sophocles
01-14-2010, 10:36 AM
Neither the Davis Cup nor the ATP tour is satisfactory right now, but not every conceivable change is an improvement, & this clearly wouldn't be one. Substitutions in a tennis match is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard. It's like having substitutions in boxing. You couldn't have a proper match. They make sense only in sports with several players on the field at any one time & a time limit, as in football & rugby.

Mario Sharapov
01-14-2010, 12:22 PM
A few articles about it:

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-sport/fitzgerald-open-to-tennis-world-cup-20100114-m9ya.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jan/13/tennis-calendar-proposals-world-cup

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/editor-s-picks-ignore/murray-fascinated-by-tennis-world-cup-plan-1.998638

http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/171403/atp-players-support-tennis-world-cup

oranges
01-14-2010, 03:42 PM
Great, I was wondering what more could be done to kill everything good about this sport. :rolleyes: Make the slams best-of-three while we're at it and be done with it.

Sheva
01-14-2010, 03:58 PM
That would be very bad for tennis. It's all about the money, but where is pride nowadays?

Representing your country should be an honor and not something compulsary. Players are only thinking about themselves, as such a World Cup would obviously comprise a lot less time..

Echoes
01-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Diva whims...

barbadosan
01-14-2010, 04:44 PM
Neither the Davis Cup nor the ATP tour is satisfactory right now, but not every conceivable change is an improvement, & this clearly wouldn't be one. Substitutions in a tennis match is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard. It's like having substitutions in boxing. You couldn't have a proper match. They make sense only in sports with several players on the field at any one time & a time limit, as in football & rugby.

The reasoning of that last part I agree with. In football, you know beforehand half time at 45 minutes (+ overtime); difficult to see a substitution at exactly 2 and a half sets, when in fact, depending on the state of the game, i.e. 2 sets already won by one player, the substitution might in fact turn out to be at 2/3rds of the time (3 sets)

Sophocles
01-14-2010, 05:01 PM
The reasoning of that last part I agree with. In football, you know beforehand half time at 45 minutes (+ overtime); difficult to see a substitution at exactly 2 and a half sets, when in fact, depending on the state of the game, i.e. 2 sets already won by one player, the substitution might in fact turn out to be at 2/3rds of the time (3 sets)

Exactly. Just imagine, Wimbledon final 2007, 2 sets all: I know, let's pull off Rafa & put Tommy Robredo on, & as for Fed, it's time Yves Allegro had a go. Grrrreat, yeeeeaaahhhhh.....

Vida
01-14-2010, 05:08 PM
its a ploy.

players want to play less, but they cant scape tournaments cause of the sponsors and all, so they started with something else - DC. there are sponsors here as well, but apparently they are not to be as moved as those financing regular atp tournaments. so less resistance is expected.

also it could also be an attempt to rock the overly 'consumer-oriented establishment', to test it, see how they (players council) fare in this exchange of announcements and statements. :shrug:

personally, I like the idea of a cup, like a finale. though it would be best if DC is to transform into it. worst case is to have some confusing parallel competitions . also I dont like the small things like player changes and all, best to keep it classic. its ok to have it every two years but there would need to be qualifying ties for the 'lesser nations'.

Mjau!
01-14-2010, 11:22 PM
Well I for one think it's a great idea if they keep the name (the Davis cup), drop the group stage and play the matches like a downscaled DC-tie. Think of each set as a match in a DC-tie. No mid-set subs please!

Playing the whole tournament in a single location, over a short period of time - like a slam - will surely gather more attention from fans and the media than the current format.

Mjau!
01-14-2010, 11:26 PM
I also love the idea of a serve clock. They should have em at all tournaments!