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Best Offense Beats Best Defense?

SheepleBuster
01-10-2010, 05:12 PM
I don't know about you but it feels like defensive players are getting better of offensive players more often these days. Guys like Nadal, Simon, and even Murray are now tough to beat even though they play somewhat defensively for long periods of matches, and they get away with it. Do you think it's still the case that best offense beats best defense in tennis? It's certainly the case in football but not in tennis anymore or so it seems.

Shabazza
01-10-2010, 05:16 PM
Define "best offense".
Best offense to me means close to zero UE's while going for winners. In that case "best offense" will always beat "best defense". You only can run down so many shots and get the ball back into play, before you ran out of gas.

Apemant
01-10-2010, 05:36 PM
Define "best offense".
Best offense to me means close to zero UE's while going for winners. In that case "best offense" will always beat "best defense". You only can run down so many shots and get the ball back into play, before you ran out of gas.

This.

The problem is that defense is 'easier' - I mean from a technical point of view. Obviously defense is harder from a purely physical perspective; you need great fitness and stamina.

Defense is also easier on one's psyche. When attacking, if you miss some easy and/or important shots, it can have a big negative impact on one's confidence.

philosophicalarf
01-10-2010, 06:10 PM
Define "best offense".
Best offense to me means close to zero UE's while going for winners. In that case "best offense" will always beat "best defense". You only can run down so many shots and get the ball back into play, before you ran out of gas.

Problem is, a lot of players nowadays never run out of gas. They can run forever.

I wonder why. Actually, no I don't.

Henry Chinaski
01-10-2010, 06:15 PM
Problem is, a lot of players nowadays never run out of gas. They can run forever.

I wonder why. Actually, no I don't.

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scarecrows
01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
there is a saying that attack is the best defense so basically the best best defense beats best defense

severus
01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Best Defense = Best Offense:cool:

rocketassist
01-10-2010, 06:35 PM
In past eras yes. Now best defence wins every single time.

superslam77
01-10-2010, 06:50 PM
defense doesn't directly compete with offense in tennis.

they're used for different things...it's like saying a striker beats a goalkeeper well duh.

In tennis when you hit a ball and get there on time it's supposed to be offense and when you can barely get to it without much time to prepare it's defense, just trying to put the ball back on play.

In other words, in any kind of game you are supposed to attack to try to score unless the other player has the ball in which case you are supposed to prevent him from scoring and/or trying to get the ball back.

Defense and Offense can't compete directly.

habibko
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
one thing is for sure, offense will always be more exciting than defense.

martinatreue
01-10-2010, 07:12 PM
It's a false dichotomy for a great tennis player. Great tennis players must have a whole lot of both elements. I would tend to lean towards offense winning out if executed properly. Examples: Martina Navratilova and Pete Sampras and Roger Federer. Also could name Seles, Graf, Henin, Edberg, Serena Williams as being the proponents of offense. :worship:

Noleta
01-10-2010, 07:22 PM
Not all the time.Offence means that players will have to take risks,while the deffensive players wait and feed off the mistakes that comes from risky play.

rocketassist
01-10-2010, 07:22 PM
Yes but in today's game if you get enough balls back into play, you will win the match. That never ever used to be the case.

superslam77
01-10-2010, 07:51 PM
Yes but in today's game if you get enough balls back into play, you will win the match. That never ever used to be the case.

these balls don't come back slow or without placement :p


placement is also attack...

nsidhan
01-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Davy proved that yesterday vs. Rafa.

barbadosan
01-11-2010, 12:29 AM
Not all the time.Offence means that players will have to take risks,while the deffensive players wait and feed off the mistakes that comes from risky play.


So two defensive players start a match, each waiting to feed off the mistakes that come from risky play (not sure that's truly the definition of offense though), and since neither one is going to make that risky play, I can imagine this: Match starts just before I leave home for work, and I come back in the evening and the two sterling defensive players are still playing the same game - each waiting to feed off the other's no-risk play ... lol (Well at least the game should end when one or both drop dead - out of sheer boredom!)

SheepleBuster
01-11-2010, 01:29 AM
One of the thing that has always baffled me is how Gilles Simon wins so many matches with that type of game against top players. I mean he has beaten Federer, Nadal, and other top players. Not that there is anything wrong with Gilles game. I have to say, Del Potro's offense is unstoppable or so it seems. But Murray owns him. Rafa has always had the edge over Roger. I don't think Sampras' game would have fared too well these days. The courts are just funny and people run for hours without getting tired.

VolandriFan
01-11-2010, 02:13 AM
Hewitt was number 1 in 2001, remember?

Forehander
01-12-2010, 06:28 AM
Yes.

latso
01-12-2010, 07:35 AM
Simple fact - the ball is faster than the man, hence virtually perfect offense will always be better than virtually best defense.

crude oil
01-12-2010, 07:54 AM
all these people saying that perfect offense > perfect defense are correct except that there's no such thing as perfect offense. Hence you need elements of both to be successful.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
01-12-2010, 12:54 PM
imo

offense> sampras - all court style- adaptable S&V, also excels at the baseline- has an insane backcourt shot (running FH) that can hit winners everytime

defense Borg> can run down everything that isn't a clear winner

i hesitate to list anyone in the ATP today as having great offense because no one can play S&V anymore, and i think being strong at the net is an important part of a strong offense

Myrre
01-12-2010, 04:28 PM
It's difficult to defend when you can't get to the ball...