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It is likely that Djokovic will be the new number 2 after the Australian Open

abraxas21
01-10-2010, 07:33 AM
I got this contribution from the user evil (on the RF site) and he's 100% correct.

Its likely Djokovic will be #2 by the end of AO. If Nadal gets anything less than Semi Finals (7670 or less) then Djokovic is #2 since the minimum Djokovic can have is 7960 (losing 1st rd).

Should Nadal reach the SF (8030) then he needs to hope Djokovic doesnt reach R32 (8040) to hold on to #2.

Should Nadal reach the Final (8510) then he needs to hope Djokovic doesnt reach the SF (8670) to hold on to #2

The only way Nadal can guarantee himself #2 by the end of AO is if he wins it. Any other result then its out of his hands.

In fact all Djokovic has to do is to ensure he gets the same result as Nadal in AO and he is the new #2

Regarding Djokovic #1 potential should he win he'd be on 9950 points. Roger would need to reach the Semi Finals to secure #1 from djokovic.

However, it should be noted that Novak doesn't like the heat of Oz and that should play against his number 2 aspirations.

paseo
01-10-2010, 08:43 AM
Well, we all know what happened every time Djokovic has a chance to become #2, no? :p

Lurking
01-10-2010, 09:18 AM
That's not technically true.

If Murray beats Djokovic in QF and goes onto win the tournament Murray will delay Djokovic becoming no. 2 until his Rotterdamn points come off. The only way he'd be prevented from becoming no. 2 would be if Murray would take a wildcard to Rotterdam and go onto reach the final which is unlikely. If Nadal was close enough to replace Murray as no. 2 after his Rotterdamn points had come off he'd be no. 2 after the Slam.

If Djokovic goes out in R32 then Murray would still be #2 after his Rotterdamn points come off.

If Del Potro wins the tournament and Djokovic goes out in R16 then Del Potro will be no. 2 immediately after. After his San Jose points come off he'd be tied with Djokovic on ranking points but would be ranked ahead based on Grand Slam/MS points earned. Del Potro would then have to reach the SF in Marselle, winning two matches thanks to the bye, to replenish his Memphis points.

Djokovic can't gain any points until IW/Miami as he's maxed out his '500' allocation and isn't playing any '250' tournaments.

coonster14
01-10-2010, 09:33 AM
hopefully nole can seize this opportunity to become no.2 when it presents itself.

he has failed too many times already, i remember last year at sydney, all he had to do is beat jarkko nieminen of all players in the SF and the #2 ranking would have been his for at least 2 weeks, but he lost in straights...OMG!!!

GOOD LUCK NOLE!!! :D

MatchFederer
01-10-2010, 09:47 AM
Hopefully Novak can get to number for a bit and win a major.

I want Federer, Djoker and Soderling to win the majors this year.

ALLEZZZZZZZ

Sharp
01-10-2010, 12:15 PM
In fact all Djokovic has to do is to ensure he gets the same result as Nadal in AO and he is the new #2

Maybe they both can win AO.

Manon
01-10-2010, 12:35 PM
So many IF. I would like to see him as No.2 after AO but I doubt it. As paseo said...I'm afraid it's true.

munZe konZa
01-10-2010, 12:36 PM
he should be number 1 if he wins it and Federerer is defeated by Davydenko , Soderling or Murray in the QF which is very likely, but this article tries very hard not to offend Federerer with the reality of things

fangirl
01-10-2010, 12:40 PM
I am sure he will get the #2 ranking soon. After all, the US is the one missing from the retirement slam and I expectt him to have secured the #2 ranking before he has to retire there.

PiggyGotRoasted
01-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Davydenko could get to number 2 if he wins the AO + has good results in Miami and Indian wells as he missed all 3 of those events last year. Along with a good clay season (Semi final+ at roland garros) he could even make it to number 1

Lleyton_
01-10-2010, 01:02 PM
he should be number 1 if he wins it and Federer is defeated by Davydenko , Soderling or Murray in the QF which is very likely, but this article tries very hard not to offend Federer with the reality of things

Look again.

Speed of Light
01-10-2010, 02:34 PM
AO title is guaranteed 100% for Rafa,no way he is going to loose there.... noone and i mean NOONE is gonna beat him there.. as true as the end of the days,there is nothing that can stop it.So this thread is useless.To sum it up,Rafa will win AO.So i conclude by saying that if the australian open is to take place as it has been taking place through years and as is being projected Rafa will win it.Do i make myself clear?

philosophicalarf
01-10-2010, 05:08 PM
Davydenko could get to number 2 if he wins the AO + has good results in Miami and Indian wells as he missed all 3 of those events last year.

Davy is useless at Indian Wells - he's only made the 3rd round once. The ball bounces too high for him, both in groundstrokes and particularly on serve.

Can't see him doing anything at the Aus either, unless he supermans his way through the whole thing and doesn't have to play any long matches. When he made US Open semis in 2007, it was all straight sets (helped by a really easy draw). Roland Garros, he only dropped 1 set to Fat Dave. Add in the nasty conditions in Australia, and you can't like his chances.

tennizen
01-10-2010, 05:18 PM
#2, #3 doesn't matter. Only #1 matters.

-Roger Federer.

MariaV
01-10-2010, 05:19 PM
AO title is guaranteed 100% for Rafa,no way he is going to loose there.... noone and i mean NOONE is gonna beat him there.. as true as the end of the days,there is nothing that can stop it.So this thread is useless.To sum it up,Rafa will win AO.So i conclude by saying that if the australian open is to take place as it has been taking place through years and as is being projected Rafa will win it.Do i make myself clear?

Would you please shut up and take your meds! :angel:

MIMIC
01-10-2010, 06:19 PM
Djokovic could get a walkover to his next match ensuring his new #2 ranking and he would STILL find a way to screw it up.

Noleta
01-10-2010, 06:31 PM
AO title is guaranteed 100% for Rafa,no way he is going to loose there.... noone and i mean NOONE is gonna beat him there.. as true as the end of the days,there is nothing that can stop it.So this thread is useless.To sum it up,Rafa will win AO.So i conclude by saying that if the australian open is to take place as it has been taking place through years and as is being projected Rafa will win it.Do i make myself clear?

No.Not really:confused:

It'll be fantastic if Nole will be 2,and if he didn't,well it won't be the end of the world:)

Bascule
01-10-2010, 08:02 PM
However, it should be noted that Novak doesn't like the heat of Oz and that should play against his number 2 aspirations.

Right, it was last year. But he won the title in the same city 2 years ago.

Anyway, Novak is unpredictable, hard to make any prognosis about him. But it would be nice for him if he could make it.

Mjau!
01-10-2010, 08:16 PM
Can't see him doing anything at the Aus either, unless he supermans his way through the whole thing and doesn't have to play any long matches. When he made US Open semis in 2007, it was all straight sets (helped by a really easy draw). Roland Garros, he only dropped 1 set to Fat Dave. Add in the nasty conditions in Australia, and you can't like his chances.

Why? Is Kolya's endurance poor?
You would expect the opposite from the petite russian.

TennisOnWood
01-10-2010, 09:01 PM
Djokovic can be Number 2 after Australian Open but he will never achieve what Spaniard has done so far in career

FlameOn
01-10-2010, 09:15 PM
I think Nole will be better in the AO heat this year because he's a LOT fitter than he was this time last year. :) In general I sense a big year for Nole.

Bascule
01-10-2010, 09:23 PM
Djokovic can be Number 2 after Australian Open but he will never achieve what Spaniard has done so far in career

:) :hug:

Time Violation
01-10-2010, 10:35 PM
Djokovic can be Number 2 after Australian Open but he will never achieve what Spaniard has done so far in career

Sorting out the excuses already? :p

paseo
01-10-2010, 10:40 PM
I think Nole will be better in the AO heat this year because he's a LOT fitter than he was this time last year. :) In general I sense a big year for Nole.

He was fine last year, too. He just didn't like losing to Roddick, so he retired. I don't think he'll do that again though, he's more matured now.

FlameOn
01-10-2010, 11:02 PM
He was fine last year, too. He just didn't like losing to Roddick, so he retired. I don't think he'll do that again though, he's more matured now.
He wasn't in great form at the AO last year either. Not only because of the heat, but the new racket as well. Rememer he'd lost to Gulbis in the first round of his leadup tournament.

paseo
01-10-2010, 11:11 PM
He wasn't in great form at the AO last year either. Not only because of the heat, but the new racket as well. Rememer he'd lost to Gulbis in the first round of his leadup tournament.

Yes, his form last year wasn't that great, but physically he was fine. This year he has a good chance to make it to the final, as long as he avoid Fed in the SF.

FlameOn
01-10-2010, 11:34 PM
Yes, his form last year wasn't that great, but physically he was fine. This year he has a good chance to make it to the final, as long as he avoid Fed in the SF.
Fed's hardly invincible, especially not now. If Nole plays really well he could win. :cool:

paseo
01-10-2010, 11:55 PM
Fed's hardly invincible, especially not now. If Nole plays really well he could win. :cool:

We'll see. :)

Mario Sharapov
01-16-2010, 01:54 PM
given that Federer lose early. Novak can also reach a career high of #2 by just doing as well or better than Nadal in this year's AO.

The points breakdown after removing last year's points:
1 Federer 9360
2 Djokovic 7960
-----------------------------------------
3 Nadal 7320
4 Murray 6610
5 Del Potro 6230
6 Davydenko 4940
7 Roddick 3800
8 Soderling 3375

Those below the line has no chance to be #1 even by winning AO this year. The points for winning AO is 2000.

Certinfy
01-16-2010, 01:57 PM
So if Federer goes out before the Semi's and Djokovic wins, he's the new number 1?

Mario Sharapov
01-16-2010, 02:01 PM
So if Federer goes out before the Semi's and Djokovic wins, he's the new number 1?

Yes, if Federer lost in QF and Djokovic won the whole thing, he would be the new #1.

zeleni
01-16-2010, 02:08 PM
Vamos!:bounce:

Jaffas85
01-16-2010, 02:44 PM
Federer won't lose before the semis, I can't see davydenko beating him in best of 5.

munZe konZa
01-16-2010, 03:07 PM
he has always been shy about upsetting dual monarchy Fedal but will he really make a step forward to circumvent them both ?

ossie
01-16-2010, 04:16 PM
i dont see the joker winning a slam anytime soon let alone be #1 at the end of the year (or any other time of the year)

Arkulari
01-16-2010, 04:23 PM
Nole has had his chances but so far has fallen short, maybe this is the year for him?

Amber Spyglass
01-16-2010, 04:30 PM
Nole is now Tomic's pigeon,so *logically* they should swap rankings with Nole becoming 273 and Tombo,the new No. 3,so basically by the end of AO,Bernard Tomic will be the new world number 1.You heard it here first folks!!!

ossie
01-16-2010, 04:45 PM
Nole is now Tomic's pigeon,so *logically* they should swap rankings with Nole becoming 273 and Tombo,the new No. 3,so basically by the end of AO,Bernard Tomic will be the new world number 1.You heard it here first folks!!!

#273 :haha:

Farrow
01-16-2010, 04:56 PM
Nole is now Tomic's pigeon,so *logically* they should swap rankings with Nole becoming 273 and Tombo,the new No. 3,so basically by the end of AO,Bernard Tomic will be the new world number 1.You heard it here first folks!!!

:worship:

As for the OP, I don't see it happening unfortunately, but I hope he'll get a career high of #2. He can work from there.

TennisOnWood
01-16-2010, 04:59 PM
he has always been shy about upsetting dual monarchy Fedal but will he really make a step forward to circumvent them both ?

Don't worry.. his mother wasn't shy after AO 2008 1/2 and match with Roger. According to her,we got new king even then :devil:

legolandbridge
01-16-2010, 05:41 PM
Nice stat breakdown, cheers.

abraxas21
01-16-2010, 05:53 PM
He has a chance but I think it is most likely that he'll end up as number 2 (I already made a thread about Nole's chances in this AO a few days ago). In point of fact, if Nadal loses before the semis, Novak will automatically secure the number 2 spot, even if Nole himself loses in the first round.

I'm not considering a Murray run here, though.

Speed of Light
01-16-2010, 05:57 PM
If this is to happen,it will be a sad day for tennis indeed... Yet this would be 1000x times better that someone like muggay for instance being number one... oh, the mere thought has me fainting and gasping for breath... come on matador,get to your best soon and put these clowns in their place.

Everko
01-16-2010, 07:09 PM
Murray would cry until dehydration, he continues to fall fastly

Team_Roddick
01-16-2010, 07:46 PM
Federer won't lose before the semis, I can't see davydenko beating him in best of 5.

Watch it mate ! :)

Noleta
01-16-2010, 08:22 PM
Hold your horses mate:lol:There is still a long way to go.:p

Mario Sharapov
01-23-2010, 04:58 AM
It seems realistic to me.

SetSampras
01-23-2010, 05:03 AM
Djokovic had a billion chances to be No. 1 or 2 and squandered them all away one after another. Why would this time be any different.. Whens the last time hes beaten Fed at a slam? 2 years ago? Fed will most likely be around by the finals with the creampuff shit draw he got at the AO playing goofs like Hanescu and Montanes. Djokovic hasnt proven shit in two years that he deserves to be Number 1. Since he has been trash at the slams. You have to win slams nowadays for an extensive run at Number 1. Thats just the way it is

MatchFederer
01-23-2010, 05:27 AM
I still think Djokovic wins this unless he faces Murray in the final.

momo_momo
01-23-2010, 02:57 PM
It's a possibility. I don't see Djokovic shaking his knees till the SF.
No more Roger, please.

krakenzero
01-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Yes, if Federer lost in QF and Djokovic won the whole thing, he would be the new #1.

Let's see...

4R:
Federer over Hewitt
Davydenko over Verdasco
Djokovic over Kubot
Tsonga over Almagro

QF:
Davydenko over Federer
Djokovic over Tsonga

SF:
Djokovic over Davydenko

F:
Djokovic over Nadal/Murray/Roddick and he could be number 1? That's a possibility looking at the draw:eek:...

Vida
01-23-2010, 03:38 PM
here are djokos chances for the title.

djokovic vs tsonga is 60 40, he beat him earlier with his relentless baseline game, that isnt there anymore but he is still overall better player.
vs federer is 35 65, yes it is a slow court which favors djoko but the monkey is simply huge.
vs davy is 55 45, minimal advantage simply on account of big slam match experience, he is a goner if he tries to stay with davy who hits clean as ever.
vs rafa is 65 35, textbook matchup that favors djoko, still nadal is nadal esp at slams.
vs murray is 55 45, small advantage due to the fact that it is down to djoko more than down to murray.
vs del potro is 70 30, maybe even more cause of the delpo wrist.

SaFed2005
01-23-2010, 03:58 PM
I think Davy would beat Djoko if they were to play in the semis.

I also think Davy will beat Fed in 4. Fed is not at his best anymore and Davy seems to be at his best the last few months.

doublebackhand
01-23-2010, 04:48 PM
u guys r soo good at extrapolating. love that someone gave djoker at 65:35 odds against nadal in the final. anyone realized that nadal is a beast in slam finals? how many finals has he lost? only a couple in W to Federer.

Nole fan
01-23-2010, 04:49 PM
I think Davy is the man to win this because he's got the best form of the top 10 right now, but I strongly believe that sooner or later this year Djoko will take nº 2 or 1. I hope he does that winning a slam, which is very likely. Though he still has to ante up his game, he's slowly getting there.

Commander Data
01-23-2010, 05:34 PM
If he wins the title, he deserves no. 1. what is the big deal? the ranking is completly neutral and fair, only the guy that won the most within the last 12 months can grap it.
It will be hard enough to win. so if he does it, he deserves it.

Time Violation
01-23-2010, 06:10 PM
If he wins the title, he deserves no. 1. what is the big deal? the ranking is completly neutral and fair, only the guy that won the most within the last 12 months can grap it.
It will be hard enough to win. so if he does it, he deserves it.

:yeah:

Noleta
01-23-2010, 06:17 PM
His game isn't a no1 matrial from what i've seen so far in this tournament.:tape:But i still believe he can up hig game when it matter most:)I'll prefer him winning a slam first,then go up in the rankings:yeah:

Florida
01-23-2010, 06:30 PM
He will not be #1 because he has no chance winning AO this year!!!!! Tsonga will end his journey, unless he steps it up!!!! Istomin was no match for him and no indication of his form. His game is till undefined as far as I am concerned.... Let's hope he proves differently so he can win AO and go up the rankings. But Number 1??? I doubt it!!!!!! Hope he proves me wrong!!!!!

@Sweet Cleopatra
01-23-2010, 06:43 PM
IIIiiiFFFfff

Farrow
01-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Right now it doesn't look likely, the way he's playing, but who knows ... might be building himself up for it.

Though will Roger lose before the semis? Kolya looks good, so maybe.

saniapower
01-23-2010, 06:58 PM
Djokovic has no chance

Everko
01-23-2010, 07:02 PM
Djokovic has no chance

keep your wishing

arm
01-23-2010, 07:17 PM
Djokovic has no chance

I think you mean it's unlikely. I think so too. But according to an exact science called mathematics, he does have a chance.

DrJules
01-23-2010, 08:55 PM
Let's see...

4R:
Federer over Hewitt
Davydenko over Verdasco
Djokovic over Kubot
Tsonga over Almagro

QF:
Davydenko over Federer
Djokovic over Tsonga

SF:
Djokovic over Davydenko

F:
Djokovic over Nadal/Murray/Roddick and he could be number 1? That's a possibility looking at the draw:eek:...

here are djokos chances for the title.

djokovic vs tsonga is 60 40, he beat him earlier with his relentless baseline game, that isnt there anymore but he is still overall better player.
vs federer is 35 65, yes it is a slow court which favors djoko but the monkey is simply huge.
vs davy is 55 45, minimal advantage simply on account of big slam match experience, he is a goner if he tries to stay with davy who hits clean as ever.
vs rafa is 65 35, textbook matchup that favors djoko, still nadal is nadal esp at slams.
vs murray is 55 45, small advantage due to the fact that it is down to djoko more than down to murray.
vs del potro is 70 30, maybe even more cause of the delpo wrist.

Very true and realistic.

His advanttage over Murray is the experience of final winning here.

Matt01
01-23-2010, 10:07 PM
He will not be #1 because he has no chance winning AO this year!!!!!

Djokovic has no chance


I don't think Djoker will win this year's AO but to say that he has no chance is absolutely ridiculous.

MIMIC
01-26-2010, 10:46 AM
So Djokovic is the new #2, right?

CORRECTION: I see that Djokovic has to at least reach the semis to guarantee himself the #2 ranking (should Murray win the tournament)

alansk
01-26-2010, 10:48 AM
So Djokovic is the new #2, right?

Not if he loses to Tsonga and Murray wins the whole shebang.

Lurking
01-26-2010, 10:52 AM
So Djokovic is the new #2, right?

If Murray doesn't take a wildcard to Rotterdam Djokovic will get to #2 when Murray's Rotterdam points drop off regardless of what happens.

green25814
01-26-2010, 10:53 AM
Vamoos Tsonga

JediFed
01-26-2010, 11:03 AM
In any case, Rafa's no longer number 2. He's either 3 or 4, depending on how Murray does against Cilic.

theseth1119
01-26-2010, 11:17 AM
Does this automatically mean Rafa falls to #3 or does The Djoker have to make the SF, F, or win it to become #2?

Farrow
01-26-2010, 11:19 AM
He's number 3 or 4 depending on how Djokovic and Murray progress

alansk
01-26-2010, 11:19 AM
defo no.3 and if murray beats cilic - no.4

philosophicalarf
01-26-2010, 11:22 AM
Yes, he's 3, and 4 if Murray wins his next match.

Come April, he's highly likely 5, huge number of points to defend.

If Davydenko wins a masters somewhere (v few points to defend), 6 is even quite possible - he's 2400ish ahead of Davy atm, assuming Fed wins their match. Davy has 0 to defend at Miami/IW, and only 180 in the three clay masters. Meanwhile Nadal defends around 4k points before Roland Garros.

ApproachShot
01-26-2010, 11:27 AM
If Rafa falls out of the top 4 by the time the seeding for Roland Garros is confirmed, then it would be ridiculously unlucky for the top 4 seed who is set to play him in the QF.

theseth1119
01-26-2010, 11:37 AM
With his injury now, who even knows if Rafa will be playing in the 2010 French Open. We might've just seen the end of Rafa.

MsTree
01-26-2010, 11:49 AM
With his injury now, who even knows if Rafa will be playing in the 2010 French Open. We might've just seen the end of Rafa.

I really hope not! :eek: Tennis would be poorer without him :sad:

Nole fan
01-26-2010, 11:51 AM
With his injury now, who even knows if Rafa will be playing in the 2010 French Open. We might've just seen the end of Rafa.

Don't be so caustic. Rafa's career is not over, at least he made the QF here which is more than Delpo can say. He just has to heal well. He was playing great until his knees couldn't take no more. It's a shame to see a player retiring because of an injury, I hope Nadal gets well. It's a tough time for him, I'm so sad. But I'm confident he has a long and successful career ahead of him.

Guga_fan
01-26-2010, 12:00 PM
If Rafa falls out of the top 4 by the time the seeding for Roland Garros is confirmed, then it would be ridiculously unlucky for the top 4 seed who is set to play him in the QF.
Considering his luck it will probably be Djokovic. :lol:

Nole fan
01-26-2010, 12:21 PM
Vamos Nole!

madmax
01-26-2010, 12:24 PM
he'll probably fall to Nr.4, as Murray is a favorite to reach final here...I think this is gonna be the year when he is gonna fall out of TOP 10

Del_Toro
01-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Rafa has a tons of points to defend before RG, if he doesn't has a remarkable clay season, he could be out of the Top 8 or even out of the Top 10 after Roland Garros.

Sean
01-26-2010, 12:29 PM
Nadal will be out of top 5 after IW/Miami Kolya aint nobodys fool.

MachineGun
01-26-2010, 12:31 PM
Rafa has a tons of points to defend before RG, if he doesn't has a remarkable clay season, he could be out of the Top 8 or even out of the Top 10 after Roland Garros.

Perfectly.
The next months will be very interesting...

Florida
01-26-2010, 01:16 PM
I don't believe Nole will be number 2 until I see it!!!!!! We all know what happened whenever he had to take the #2 spot???? Never underestimate Jo. He can be a killer!!!! Just ask all the players they will confirm it!!!!! Ask Nole!!!!!! All I am hoping for is a good performance against Tsonga!!!!!! Everything else will come if it comes in due time!!!!!!!! Nole's big test is tonight!!!! Vamos Nole!!!! Hajde Nole!!!!! Don't think about rankings!

paseo
01-26-2010, 01:20 PM
If Rafa falls out of the top 4 by the time the seeding for Roland Garros is confirmed, then it would be ridiculously unlucky for the top 4 seed who is set to play him in the QF.

It'll be poetic justice for Nadal to be in Murray's quarter :D

scarecrows
01-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Considering his luck it will probably be Djokovic. :lol:

whose luck?

bizzle
01-26-2010, 01:34 PM
Even if he falls out of the top 5 (or god forbid, top 6) before RG, he'll be back inside the top 4 after Wimbledon at the latest. He can only improve on his 2009 results from that point on. All this talk of falling out of the top 10 is nonesense (Unless, of course, the knee injuries persist or get worse).

SheepleBuster
01-26-2010, 01:34 PM
Rafa will bounce back. But Roger can also drop out of the top place if Novak wins this tournament so it's a crazy event. Roger has a lot of points to defend as well (Roland Garros win too), so we could have a new top 2 by the end of RG. It's tough though. These young guys don't give Rafa and Fed a chance to breathe. They keep winning smaller tournaments and up the ante in the majors.

SheepleBuster
01-26-2010, 01:35 PM
whose luck?

Oh come on. Novak is luckier than that. He'll probably get Oscar Hernandez in semis of Wimbledon and Blake in semis of RG.

theseth1119
01-26-2010, 02:21 PM
Rafa will bounce back. But Roger can also drop out of the top place if Novak wins this tournament so it's a crazy event. Roger has a lot of points to defend as well (Roland Garros win too), so we could have a new top 2 by the end of RG. It's tough though. These young guys don't give Rafa and Fed a chance to breathe. They keep winning smaller tournaments and up the ante in the majors.

Wrong, not only does Chokovic have to win the AO, but Rogie has to lose before the SF, if Rogie makes the SF, it doesn't matter who would win their potential SF matchup (remember Chokovic has to go against Tsonga, whos he's 2-4 against). So you have to root for Davy to beat Rogie in the QF, and I don't see it happening.

scoobs
01-26-2010, 02:26 PM
People are getting way ahead of themselves. I expect Nadal to be back by Indian Wells / Miami at the latest, have some pretty good tournaments there even if he doesn't win one, and he'll have another excellent clay court season, even if he doesn't win every title and he's a bit more vulnerable than in the past.

People round here are always so quick to canonize someone when they win something then write them off when they lose or get injured.

tnosugar
01-26-2010, 02:46 PM
Wrong, not only does Chokovic have to win the AO, but Rogie has to lose before the SF, if Rogie makes the SF, it doesn't matter who would win their potential SF matchup (remember Chokovic has to go against Tsonga, whos he's 2-4 against). So you have to root for Davy to beat Rogie in the QF, and I don't see it happening.

You don't see it happening? But we did see it happen. Twice in a row.

theblejach
01-26-2010, 04:09 PM
Is this for sure? There is a scenario in wich djokovic become #1?

We will see soon :cool:

Wolbo
01-26-2010, 04:55 PM
If Fed loses to Davydenko, like he did their last two matches, and Djoko wins the AO he's the new no.1. So let's hope both Fed and Tsonga win their next match.

fred perry
01-26-2010, 05:37 PM
I suspect he may fall out of the top 5 this year.

MalwareDie
01-26-2010, 05:40 PM
Mugboar will finish the year as No. 5 at best.

Nole fan
01-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Rafa will bounce back. But Roger can also drop out of the top place if Novak wins this tournament so it's a crazy event. Roger has a lot of points to defend as well (Roland Garros win too), so we could have a new top 2 by the end of RG. It's tough though. These young guys don't give Rafa and Fed a chance to breathe. They keep winning smaller tournaments and up the ante in the majors.

That's great. It was time, don't you think? The competition gets more interesting than ever. Some excitement at last!

ApproachShot
01-26-2010, 06:55 PM
I suspect he may fall out of the top 5 this year.

With due respect, I think not. Although his potential gains at the FO were largely wiped out by his QF defeat at the AO, it is prudent to bear in mind that he is defending 0 points from Wimbledon and the World Tour Finals - where 2000 and 1500 points are potentially at stake. Granted that his WTF form may not be excellent given that it is at the end of the season and contested against the top hard court players in the world, but as a former champion of Wimbledon he certainly has a chance to cement his place amongst the top 5 if not the top 2 by the end of the grass court season.

Ububub
01-26-2010, 06:56 PM
Rafa's injury will only be exacerbated by playing IW and Miami. So will he skip these two to prepare for the clay season. Several clay court specialists in the past have achieved #1 ranking without any success on other surfaces, so why not Rafa? This is one of the reasons I don't understand why IW and Miami come AFTER AO. They should play IW and Miami in late Jan./early Feb. and end Feb./early Mar. with AO. Then it's off to the clay courts

Manon
01-26-2010, 07:24 PM
If Fed loses to Davydenko, like he did their last two matches, and Djoko wins the AO he's the new no.1. So let's hope both Fed and Tsonga win their next match.

Let's hope not.

tektonac
01-26-2010, 07:34 PM
Let's hope not.

:yeah:

Matt01
01-26-2010, 08:21 PM
Nole :clap2:

tektonac
01-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Oh come on. Novak is luckier than that. He'll probably get Oscar Hernandez in semis of Wimbledon and Blake in semis of RG.

Dude I told ya, look at the Fed's draws in the past and stop bitching already. It is not Novak's fault he got this draw. And certainly it is not easy, Tsonga, Fed, what are you talking about?

Alex999
01-26-2010, 09:53 PM
Go Nole :rocker:

Noleta
01-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Nole and no2:unsure:

Time Violation
01-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Well, Nole has no luck with no 2, so he should try to go for no 1 instead, and problem solved. :cool:

Lee
01-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Well, Nole has no luck with no 2, so he should try to go for no 1 instead, and problem solved. :cool:

+1 :lol:

Noleta
01-26-2010, 09:59 PM
Well, Nole has no luck with no 2, so he should try to go for no 1 instead, and problem solved. :cool:

Good one:lol:

freeandlonely
01-27-2010, 12:04 AM
Nole:rocker2:

FlameOn
01-27-2010, 12:16 AM
Let's go Nole. :rocker:

gulzhan
01-27-2010, 01:00 AM
Probably :sad:

freeandlonely
01-27-2010, 01:07 AM
Oh come on. Novak is luckier than that. He'll probably get Oscar Hernandez in semis of Wimbledon and Blake in semis of RG.

impossible;)

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
01-27-2010, 01:15 AM
crap Rog

dont lose to denko

joker being WN1 would kill tennis forever

WallaceEMann
01-27-2010, 01:24 AM
From the AO website...

Because Nadal is now unable to defend all of the points he won in claiming the Australian Open title last year, world No. 3 Novak Djokovic is projected to replace him at No. 2 when the new rankings are published next Monday. Nadal could fall as low as No. 4 should Murray make it to the final, with the Scot expected to pick up enough points to leapfrog his vanquished opponent.

Zirconek
01-27-2010, 07:13 AM
Two threads about the same issue (rankings changes in top3/top4 after AO) were merged, sorry for the incovenience of the chronology of the thread not making much sense (you can check at the top of each post the subject/original thread).

Wolbo
01-27-2010, 02:46 PM
If Fed loses to Davydenko, like he did their last two matches, and Djoko wins the AO he's the new no.1. So let's hope both Fed and Tsonga win their next match.Who says hope doesn't work? :wavey:

Thankfully the prospect of Djokovic becoming the new no.1 has been averted for now.

SetSampras
01-27-2010, 02:47 PM
Im sure thats all he can handle.. He cant carry the load as the #1 in the world. You have to beat guys you are supposed to beat at slams first in order to do so

philosophicalarf
01-27-2010, 02:50 PM
Anyone else get the feeling the gods are conspiring for Djoko to have missed no2 by a single win yet again?

Nole fan
01-27-2010, 03:12 PM
Anyone else get the feeling the gods are conspiring for Djoko to have missed no2 by a single win yet again?

I do! :mad:
We fans are truly upset, but I wouldn't like to be in Novak's shoes right now, he must feel awful. Poor Nole. :o
But I still believe that 2010 will be his year. :wavey:

abraxas21
02-23-2010, 11:02 PM
soooooo... how long will nole last in the position?

Radalek
02-24-2010, 12:21 AM
soooooo... how long will nole last in the position?

Not a lot to defend at RG and Wimbledon so at least several more months in my opinion.

Ibracadabra
02-24-2010, 01:16 AM
If he can win a master series or two instead of losing in the final he could stay there.

Jaffas85
02-24-2010, 02:43 AM
soooooo... how long will nole last in the position?

He has finalist points to defend in Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome and semi finalist points to defend in Madrid which should be difficult for him.

Nadal, at #3, has Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Rome and Barcelona to defend but he usually doesn't have much of a problem defending those points and has plenty of points to pick up at the French Open and Wimbledon.

So Nadal will most likely be back at #2 after Wimbledon.

coonster14
02-24-2010, 06:59 AM
He has finalist points to defend in Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome and semi finalist points to defend in Madrid which should be difficult for him.

Nadal, at #3, has Indian Wells, Monte Carlo, Rome and Barcelona to defend but he usually doesn't have much of a problem defending those points and has plenty of points to pick up at the French Open and Wimbledon.

So Nadal will most likely be back at #2 after Wimbledon.

that is an awful lot of points for Nole to defend, having seen the way he has played so far this year, i only hope that he gets his game together soon, it does not look very promising to me, was hoping he would bring the good form he had at the end of 2009 with him to 2010, but does not seem to be the case.

i expect Rafa to just relax come French Open and Wimbledon- he has great opportunities there to rack up as many points as possible.

agreed with u, i think after wimbledon, it would possibly be Federer, Nadal, Djokovic as #1, #2, #3 respectively.