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With the first set aggressiveness against Davydenko, who Rafa can't beat at AO 2010?

konyalikartal
01-09-2010, 06:09 PM
I think that, this loss may be good for Rafa to see his missing parts mentally and physically. The question is for Rafa's bad matchup players and other top players of the world?. What are your thoughts?

Orka_n
01-09-2010, 06:14 PM
Yeah yeah... Denko played like shit anyway in the first set so it's not like Nadal becomes unbeatable if he plays aggressive tennis. In the second set Denko just responded better to the aggressiveness and that made moonballer lose the good length of his shots, leading to his defeat.

lazybear
01-09-2010, 06:16 PM
I think that, this loss may be good for Rafa to see his missing parts mentally and physically. The question is for Rafa's bad matchup players and other top players of the world?. What are your thoughts?

I think the one he absolutely must avoid at all costs, is Pony. He's the ultimate matchup nightmare for him on hard court, one could argue even on clay. Other than Pony, i can see him beat anybody on those hard courts with that kind of play. He's in great shape.

Orka_n
01-09-2010, 06:21 PM
Ah, you added a poll. Well, if Nadal faces a good server that can also follow up on his serves, then Nadal's aggressiveness will count for nothing (in the games when he is receiving, that is). That means many on your list can beat him. So I can't vote.

abraxas21
01-09-2010, 06:22 PM
About Nadal:

Del Potro (if he is on), Djokovic or Kolya could beat him. I don't think the rest stand much of a chance, tbh. Maybe if Fed and Soderling step up they could but I'd hold them in a second level of dangerous opponents for Rafa in the AO.

About Davidenko:

Don't get ahead of ourselves. Kolya has never been a strong contender at Slams. He has reached some semis in the past but considering his high ranking and consistency, he should have achieved more. At least a final, imo.

Anyhow, he should make a semi this time. It would be great if he could achieve more but I wouldn't count on it.

Also, do not think that Kolya is playing the tennis of his life right now. He always was a great player. Not for nothing he got to be number 3 in 2006.

selyoink
01-09-2010, 06:23 PM
Nadull needs massive amounts of luck to beat Davy, Djokovic, Soderling and Del Potro. Fortunately for him ATP will probably contrive to draw him against Spaniards throughout the whole tournament culminating in an epic Almugro-Nadull final after a series of freak injuries to Almugro's opponents.

prafull
01-09-2010, 06:24 PM
None option missing?

Arkulari
01-09-2010, 06:27 PM
Probably against Juan :)

Orka_n
01-09-2010, 06:30 PM
None option missing?There is no "all of them"-option either so I guess it's fair.

Andi-M
01-09-2010, 06:35 PM
Rafa was great in 1st set but Davy was poor, Davy's level vastly improved in the 2nd and 3rd, and Rafa level only very slightly dropped he was still playing out of his skin, yet Davy still won.

I think he can beat everyone when he is on top top form, but he cant maintain that for 5 sets, I think he has lost a litlle bit of lockeroom respect, more players go out there beliveng they can beat Rafa now then they did 12 months ago. He can lose to Pony, Davy, Soda, Djoker. Dunno bout Murray and Fed atm.

alter ego
01-09-2010, 06:36 PM
None option missing?

:lol:
Kolya played shit in the first set. First point, Nadal serves a slow 2nd serve in the middle of the court, Davy hits a inside-out BH 2m into the tramsline, 0-1 40-30, he double faults, 0-3 40-15 double faults again. I thing his 1st serve porcentage was 40%. He stood way back behind the service line allowing Nadal to come all over him. I don't understand what was wrong with his attitude. It was as if he was on a training match practicing his defence.
On the other hand Nadal played some good agressive shots. Answering your question with this kind of form Nadal won't lose a set before the QF at the Oz open. But that's about it.

Hazem
01-09-2010, 06:48 PM
The question must be :
With the three-set defeat against Davydenko, who Rafa can beat at AO 2010?

paseo
01-10-2010, 07:11 AM
Del Potro. And maybe, Djokovic.

Halba
01-10-2010, 09:09 AM
federer now looks like an easybeat compared to rafa, davydenko and even murray's form(even though lost to robredo, his other sets were dominating and very high level)

we are yet to see djoko and del potro's levels..

federer serve pish, backhand pish

Sophocles
01-10-2010, 09:13 AM
Nadal can beat everybody except Del Potro.

Bobby
01-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Nadal was very aggressive in the first set, but it was helped by the fact that Davydenko played too far back and was too passive. Nadal also led the first set quickly, so mentally it wasn't that difficult to remain aggressive. In the second set things changed, as Davydenko began putting more pressure. In AO, it's a question of whether Nadal's opponent lets him play aggressively or not. Having said this, I think Nadal didn't turn passive at any stage. It was just that Davydenko found the cure and played very well himself.

coonster14
01-10-2010, 09:56 AM
i can see rafa losing to the following players at AO2010 if they are playing well:
- del potro
- djokovic
- soderling
- davydenko

i still take rafa in a grand slam final over federer regardless of surface, it is just the match-up so heavily skewed in rafa's favour, and add that rafa is 5-2 in grand slam finals over fed, fed has mental issues facing rafa.

murray still has alot to learn, he has to prove himself big time, and AO2010 will be the place where he has to shine if he wants to ever win a grand slam.

i think rafa can beat the other players listed in the poll.

born_on_clay
01-10-2010, 07:17 PM
Rafa can beat anybody

Commander Data
01-10-2010, 07:23 PM
Why should the last year winner not be able to beat any given player? I don't think he will, but he is certainly capable of beating anybody...

Certinfy
01-10-2010, 07:29 PM
Ivo Karlovic :haha: