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does federer like to avoid playing peak form rafito?

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 03:40 AM
in nonslams does federer lose on purpose when hes headed for rafito (except when rafito was struggling at madrid]?

n8
01-08-2010, 03:49 AM
This is an interesting question. It certainly seemed like he tanked in Canada last year vs. Tsonga (was up 5-1 in the third) to avoid Murray (who he was struggling against). And now at the beginning of the year he looses vs. Soderling (after winning the first set and having a 12-0 record against his opponent) in an exhibition to avoid Nadal. Those occurrences make his semi-final match vs. Davydenko in Doha particularly interesting (with Nadal probably beating Troicki to reach the final).

Mimi
01-08-2010, 04:17 AM
rafito would be beaten badly by Rogerlio should they meet in final, thus ruining his lead in heads to heads :mad::mad:

gulzhan
01-08-2010, 04:22 AM
So, you guys recommend me to pick Kolya for PAW? ;)

Roger is trapped here. He also used to take a huge revenge against a player who defeated him in the very next match. I don't think Federer wants to add Davydenko to the list of players who defeated him and got away with that.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 04:24 AM
doha for sure the nicest semi finals for a long time

MrChopin
01-08-2010, 04:34 AM
Should we also count the times Rafito has bailed out of fast hard court matches... in slams. He didn't exactly sweep the world off his feet against Murray at USO '08 Sf and Del Potro at USO '09 SF.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 04:46 AM
but nothing suspicious about those losses because people say murray and del pot are better on hardcourt than rafito (not saying its true) :lol:

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 04:47 AM
dude, you're more obsessed with federer than about your idol, nadal.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 04:48 AM
i think this is my first thread ever about federer....^ btw im not ur dude

Magus13
01-08-2010, 05:25 AM
First off are you really fucking serious.
Second off, by beating Darcis, Starace and Bolleli and probably Troiki that proves that he is in top form??????
I'm not saying Fed will win tomorrow, or even beat Nadal, but I am possitive he would never duck him or any player period. The minute you posed that question you proved what an absolute dumb ass you are, and that your an absolute troll with his head up RAfa's ass.

gulzhan
01-08-2010, 05:40 AM
Well, I think something is wrong with you.

The discussion is justified because this happened for the first time in few last years that Rafa and Roger could have met twice in a row in a final of a non-important event. And yes, Federer had and certainly will have strategical tanks. Denying that is not just naive but pathetic.

Black Friday
01-08-2010, 05:41 AM
Why in the world would Fed avoid playing Rafa. I think he should try to get a match against Nadal to prove to you nadaltards that he can beat a "peak form rafito".

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 05:47 AM
rafito is hitting the ball 121km/h this week compared to 111km/h in the WTF (groundstrokes), this is peak form, and thats not even to mention rafito's oddly sharp serving :)

LleytonMonfils
01-08-2010, 06:15 AM
[x] Thinks Rafito is a fruity nickname

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 06:38 AM
looks good on paper however

NYCtennisfan
01-08-2010, 08:09 AM
Double account (or triple account) here. There have been about 4 or 5 new posters within the past 3 weeks who say basically the same thing in their posts.

habibko
01-08-2010, 08:32 AM
rafito is hitting the ball 121km/h this week compared to 111km/h in the WTF (groundstrokes), this is peak form, and thats not even to mention rafito's oddly sharp serving :)

memories of a certain build-up for the inevitable career slam last year comes to mind, don't think Fed will make it to the final but I'd love to hear your excuses should he make the final and beat your "peak form" Rafito, just for the fun of it...

oh and hi TheRAFA.

Foxy
01-08-2010, 08:37 AM
Double account (or triple account) here. There have been about 4 or 5 new posters within the past 3 weeks who say basically the same thing in their posts.

Can you contribute to the discussion or you are afraid of the harsh truth? :shrug:

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 09:04 AM
Double account (or triple account) here. There have been about 4 or 5 new posters within the past 3 weeks who say basically the same thing in their posts.

administrator~*Carlita*~ changed my name from GOATPARERA to RafitoGoat, and as you can see i've been around for a lot longer than 3 weeks (nov 2009), so whoever the others are have nothing to do with me! and the only thread i ever made exclusively about federer was "Did Federer save tennis from insignificance? ( 1 2 3 4 5)" so stop making out like i hate on federer all the time :lol:

nobama
01-08-2010, 09:06 AM
Can you contribute to the discussion or you are afraid of the harsh truth? :shrug:I'm sure he'd contribute to something worthy of discussion. This thread does not fit that category.

TennisOnWood
01-08-2010, 09:15 AM
There is no need for him to avoid Rafa.. if he wanted that we would watch him in Brisbane or Chennai

Looking forward to their 21st match tomorrow

barbadosan
01-08-2010, 10:05 AM
I suspect the only point of any real interest that would come out of a Fed win over Nadal in this tournament would be the speed with which "peak form Rafito" would be transformed into an injured, out-of-form, exhausted Rafito. I suspect the transformation would be more instantaneous than Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 10:24 AM
^rafito is the opposite to that, he actually tries to tell people hes 100% at the WTF, until it becomes clear hes not...

paseo
01-08-2010, 10:33 AM
Yes, he does.

Sophocles
01-08-2010, 10:39 AM
Would he prefer to play somebody else? Probably, except indoors. Would he tank a match to avoid Nadal? I very much doubt it.

-Valhalla-
01-08-2010, 10:58 AM
I just finished watching the Rafa vs. Ferrer Abu Dhabi match from last week [on the Tennis Channel in HD, not a shitty stream] and I'm pretty f*cking impressed. After the WTF, I basically left Rafa for dead, but it appears he's resurrected from the grave. The new strings and his recent back strengthening regime seem to be paying huge dividends, and I'm sure the DC win lifted his spirits as well.

He had tons of pop on his first serve, good depth on his groundies, stayed relatively close to the baseline, attacked net on short balls, volleyed crisply, and he seemed mentally and emotionally in a much better place. And thank God he was swinging with conviction and power off his backhand instead of that RIDONKULOUS, INEFFECTUAL slice in which he automatically relinquishes control of the rally and lets his opponent dictate terms.

Also, I noticed the ball had a distinctly different sound coming off his new strings and hopefully it's helping him with that extra pop. Well, it's about time he quit being so stubborn about his shitty yellow nylons and entered the new millennia in string technology. What a difference a month makes and we as tennis fans should ALL be happy with his current form.

As per regards this thread topic, I don't believe Fed would duck and dodge Rafa or anyone else. He's faced his tormentor [Nadal] on all the biggest stages so I find it highly dubious that he'd intentionally avoid him at an exo.

Finally, I'm really looking forward to the AO and the potentiality of another EPIC NADERER Final. This is truly cause for celebration :drink:

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 11:05 AM
no way would federer ever throw away a grand slam semi, that is 100% impossible. but how does he lead 5-1 and lose? he did that (v tsonga of all people) rather than play rafito, and he lost to soderling (the 12-0 goat bunny of all-time) instead of playing rafito. would be blind to say he wanted to win those....

Sophocles
01-08-2010, 11:27 AM
Tsonga is prone to hot streaks. Ask Rafa. Fed wouldn't give a shit about playing Rafa in an exhibition.

-Valhalla-
01-08-2010, 11:30 AM
but how does he lead 5-1 and lose? he did that (v tsonga of all people) rather than play rafito

Fed was up 5-1 in the 2nd set? Hmmmm ... well maybe there is something there, but Fed's often played erratic and choked in many best of 3 set matches in the past few years with the Tsonga match being the most notable. However, in that epic choke against Tsongaman, his next opponent would have been Murray and Rafa was on the other side of the draw and was also eliminated in the quarters [by Delpo].

I'm gonna give Fed the benefit of the doubt here.

Orka_n
01-08-2010, 11:41 AM
I suspect the only point of any real interest that would come out of a Fed win over Nadal in this tournament would be the speed with which "peak form Rafito" would be transformed into an injured, out-of-form, exhausted Rafito. I suspect the transformation would be more instantaneous than Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus.This man speaks the truth.

I can't wait for the "peak form" pusher to lose. I wonder if they'll include "his parents got a divorce" in the obligatory flood of excuses.
Also, no, I don't think Fed will tank. He'll probably lose to Denko anyway, though.

Foxy
01-08-2010, 11:48 AM
I'm sure he'd contribute to something worthy of discussion. This thread does not fit that category.

I didn't know NYCky had a lawyer.

stebs
01-08-2010, 12:13 PM
but how does he lead 5-1 and lose? he did that (v tsonga of all people) rather than play rafito

What's that got to do with Nadal? In Canada, Federer lost in the quarter finals and would've met Murray is the semi's had he won. Nadal was in the other half of the draw of course because they're 1 and 2. Nadal also lost in the QF's if I remember (to JMDP) so, it wasn't really close to being a Federer - Nadal matchup at all.

Foxy
01-08-2010, 12:19 PM
There is no need for him to avoid Rafa.. if he wanted that we would watch him in Brisbane or Chennai

Looking forward to their 21st match tomorrow

Have you seen the prize money for each tournament? What is the difference? More than twice. Not to mention the appearance fees. So he will never choose Brisbane and Chennai over Doha.

MrChopin
01-08-2010, 12:42 PM
I suspect the only point of any real interest that would come out of a Fed win over Nadal in this tournament would be the speed with which "peak form Rafito" would be transformed into an injured, out-of-form, exhausted Rafito. I suspect the transformation would be more instantaneous than Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus.

:haha: The H2H would be important, but this is spot on otherwise.

prafull
01-08-2010, 12:47 PM
We will know the answer for sure in few hours time.

Corey Feldman
01-08-2010, 12:51 PM
does Nadal keep avoiding Federer at the US Open?

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 12:54 PM
does Nadal keep avoiding Federer at the US Open?

there was never any doubt rafito was giving 100% in his last 2 us opens, very silly post.

tennis2tennis
01-08-2010, 12:55 PM
does Nadal keep avoiding Federer at the US Open?

:worship::worship::worship:

roger openly said he wants to maintain the number 1 ranking this year, i doubt he'll tank in quater and semi-finals of tournaments to avoid rafa and still keep the no 1 ranking....:rolleyes:

the truth is roger's been very sloppy on second sets and loses concentration after taking the lead...he HATES LOSING to anyone you can see it in his body language

SerenaFederer
01-08-2010, 01:13 PM
yes...yes he does...it's in his genes

lazybear
01-08-2010, 01:50 PM
I'm sure Roger never enjoyed playing against Nadal from a pure tennis standpoint, but he won't avoid him, come on. If i read correctly, the OP even suggests that Roger analyze Nadal's form, to decide whether he want to avoid him or not? http://www.borsosfi.hu/smiley/thumbsup.gif Roger won't tank a semifinal, he may lose to Davy (who - i have no doubt - in the form os his life) but he won't tank a semifinal, c'mon people.

Start da Game
01-08-2010, 01:53 PM
i don't know if he is really that much of a coward to tank a match so as to avoid nadal on a super fast surface like this........but if he does get to the finals, he is in for a real spanking.......mark it down........

madmax
01-08-2010, 02:02 PM
i don't know if he is really that much of a coward to tank a match so as to avoid nadal on a super fast surface like this........but if he does get to the finals, he is in for a real spanking.......mark it down........

saved for a major bumping...:devil:

SerenaFederer
01-08-2010, 02:17 PM
i don't know if he is really that much of a coward to tank a match so as to avoid nadal on a super fast surface like this........but if he does get to the finals, he is in for a real spanking.......mark it down........

duly noted :lol:

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 03:03 PM
Hail Federer, full of grace.
Our Rafito is with thee.
Blessed art thou among Doha,
and blessed is the matchup of thy times,
Doha.
Holy Federer, Mother of twins,
pray for his Courage,
now and at the hour of our Final.
Doha :D

zeleni
01-08-2010, 03:05 PM
Yes.

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 03:07 PM
this thread is hilarious... keep them coming, rafito

TennisAddicted
01-08-2010, 03:25 PM
so true this thread.
u can watch it now... fedlol pissing his pants with davydenko just to avoid nadal.

what a clown

Start da Game
01-08-2010, 04:00 PM
what a coward this federica....... :haha: looking like a deliberate tank at the moment.......

FedFan
01-08-2010, 04:00 PM
No logic here as always with Rafatards. :o

Roger has never tried to avoid Nadal in peak form, why should he do it now?

With opponents Nadal has met in this tournament, it is very easy to peak.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 04:01 PM
^rafito is hitting the groundstrokes 121km/h in this event compared to 111km/h in WTF, plus the serving has been superb, definite peakage (even in abu dhabi)

Black Adam
01-08-2010, 04:07 PM
Nadal is courtside to witness Du Rand tank out of fear.

Orka_n
01-08-2010, 05:26 PM
^rafito is hitting the groundstrokes 121km/h in this event compared to 111km/h in WTF, plus the serving has been superb, definite peakage (even in abu dhabi)Yes. But prepare yourself, I'm now coming with a logical argument. You ready? Okay.
In WTF, Monster Topspin Clay Death's opponents were much tougher. Why does that matter, you say? Well, the mugs he has faced so far in Doha doesn't have the same ability to push Nadull back as Sod, Kolya and Nole have. And if he's being pushed back all the time, his groundies won't be as hard as when he is the one dictating play (as he's been allowed to do in Doha).
I'm not saying he's as weak as he was in the WTF, he's clearly not. But the match against Kolya tomorrow will better show just how much he's improved.

Wannabeknowitall
01-08-2010, 05:54 PM
This is an interesting question. It certainly seemed like he tanked in Canada last year vs. Tsonga (was up 5-1 in the third) to avoid Murray (who he was struggling against). And now at the beginning of the year he looses vs. Soderling (after winning the first set and having a 12-0 record against his opponent) in an exhibition to avoid Nadal. Those occurrences make his semi-final match vs. Davydenko in Doha particularly interesting (with Nadal probably beating Troicki to reach the final).

It is an interesting question that has crossed my mind as well after this match.
This is not the first time that Federer has lost in a small tourni that Nadal happens to be in as well.
Either he's taking his opponent before Nadal for granted or he mentally just doesn't want to play Nadal in smaller tournis knowing the eventual outcome.

barbadosan
01-08-2010, 06:02 PM
This is an interesting question. It certainly seemed like he tanked in Canada last year vs. Tsonga (was up 5-1 in the third) to avoid Murray (who he was struggling against). And now at the beginning of the year he looses vs. Soderling (after winning the first set and having a 12-0 record against his opponent) in an exhibition to avoid Nadal. Those occurrences make his semi-final match vs. Davydenko in Doha particularly interesting (with Nadal probably beating Troicki to reach the final).

In Cincinnati, he still hadn't met Murray since before Canada. Wonder how come he didn't tank there to avoid the same Murray against whom he was presumably still struggling since they had still not met since before Canada?

habibko
01-08-2010, 06:04 PM
What a bunch of retards those Rafatards, why hasn't he tanked in Madrid then if that's what he does?

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 06:04 PM
It is an interesting question that has crossed my mind as well after this match.
This is not the first time that Federer has lost in a small tourni that Nadal happens to be in as well.
Either he's taking his opponent before Nadal for granted or he mentally just doesn't want to play Nadal in smaller tournis knowing the eventual outcome.

only in MTF these crazy theories could gain some support...

your nickname suits you well, btw.

Wannabeknowitall
01-08-2010, 06:11 PM
only in MTF these crazy theories could gain some support...

your nickname suits you well, btw.

I didn't say it was a definite that he's tanking.
He could have easily taken Davydenko for granted.
Considering his play against Gulbis though I really don't see why he would have done that.

Foxy
01-08-2010, 06:19 PM
What a bunch of retards those Rafatards, why hasn't he tanked in Madrid then if that's what he does?

After seeing the medical timeouts and the 4+hours of play I wouldn't tank either. I am grateful rogie didn't bagel Rafito in the Madrid final.
Anyone from TOP10 would have finished Rafito Parera off that day.

born_on_clay
01-08-2010, 06:29 PM
After seeing the medical timeouts and the 4+hours of play I wouldn't tank either. I am grateful rogie didn't bagel Rafito in the Madrid final.
Anyone from TOP10 would have finished Rafito Parera off that day.

this !!!!

In my opiniom it's not about that Rafa's groundstrokes are harder now. It's about Rafa playing more agressive and what's the most important long shots

Corey Feldman
01-08-2010, 06:35 PM
should have guessed the celebrations of clownery in this thread :rolleyes:

how easy it is to crow when Fed had a world class on form opponent to deal with in the semi compared to Nadal's cannon fodder opponent.

superslam77
01-08-2010, 06:37 PM
Because of people like you :o. Daddy fed wants to avoid drama and bad karma of the evil ones :wavey:

Start da Game
01-08-2010, 06:47 PM
this !!!!

In my opiniom it's not about that Rafa's groundstrokes are harder now. It's about Rafa playing more agressive and what's the most important long shots

all that should be attributed to his movement which looks like it's getting back to where it once was........after the us open, all he needed was a month of rest to allow the injuries heal completely.......he had a terrible stomach muscle tear in cincinnatti, knee pain was ever present through out once he pushed his knee to the limit and damaged it seriously.......

he did not allow his body to recover fully after the us open........now that in the off season he was forced to sit out for a month and rest up, that did the thing........the movement is back because he can now put weight on that right knee and move without any hindrance........just watch his matches of october, november last year........his backhand was suffering like hell as he couldn't get to the balls at all.......now he is not only getting to balls on the backhand side but is pushing the opponent deep in the forehand corner with his backhand, a crucial weapon in his armoury........

once he finds his complete range on the off forehands, that would spell dooms for his opponents.......davydenko is losing tomorrow.......watch rafael give him a tennis lesson on the fast hard court of doha.......

habibko
01-08-2010, 06:48 PM
After seeing the medical timeouts and the 4+hours of play I wouldn't tank either. I am grateful rogie didn't bagel Rafito in the Madrid final.
Anyone from TOP10 would have finished Rafito Parera off that day.

it's not like Nadal can't beat Federer after epic SFs, earlier that year it happened in AO and Nadal still won in a long 5 setter, Fed is well aware of that fact yet he didn't fear the prospect of playing Nadal on clay in front of his come crowd, if he really was that much of a coward or a pussy like your fellow retards think he wouldn't have had the guts to show up against your peak form Rafito who hasn't lost a match on clay that year, let alone finish him off in the manner he did that day, with a 2nd serve ace serving for the match.

accusing the player who never retired in his career of being a match fixer or a coward just shows how low those haters stoop in their delusions and hatred, I pity you.

rocketassist
01-08-2010, 06:53 PM
This Fed stands more chance of beating Nadal than he does PMK or any strong aggressive player.

gulzhan
01-08-2010, 08:58 PM
So, you guys recommend me to pick Kolya for PAW? ;)


:smash:

Should have believed the tanking!

TennisAddicted
01-08-2010, 09:16 PM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ERGrznxTIwo/SYW_fFHzBrI/AAAAAAAAWHs/31nHnw0SkA8/Roger%20Federer%20Crying%20pic[4].jpg

too painful!! :devil:

Chair Umpire
01-08-2010, 09:29 PM
What a bunch of retards those Rafatards, why hasn't he tanked in Madrid then if that's what he does?

For the same reason the spanish davis cup team has NEVER played in Madrid (or anywhere near it) despite it being the capital and having the best tennis courts. Doesn't that ring a bell?

Madrid is the european capital with the highest altitude above sea level (665m). (Paris = 75m).

:wavey:

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 10:02 PM
Yes. But prepare yourself, I'm now coming with a logical argument. You ready? Okay.
In WTF, Monster Topspin Clay Death's opponents were much tougher. Why does that matter, you say? Well, the mugs he has faced so far in Doha doesn't have the same ability to push Nadull back as Sod, Kolya and Nole have. And if he's being pushed back all the time, his groundies won't be as hard as when he is the one dictating play (as he's been allowed to do in Doha).
I'm not saying he's as weak as he was in the WTF, he's clearly not. But the match against Kolya tomorrow will better show just how much he's improved.

in other words, when rafito terrorises daveydenko with the same deep powerful groundstrokes your theory will be disproven, the top5 opponent will not make a difference ... because djokovic in the WTF was not hitting the ball crisply at all (for half the match) yet rafito was still on the back foot ...

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 10:07 PM
I didn't say it was a definite that he's tanking.
He could have easily taken Davydenko for granted.
Considering his play against Gulbis though I really don't see why he would have done that.

Federer lost to Kolya today because he wasn't good enough and that's about it. He tried to win but alas his efforts weren't enough. kolya had been playing great tennis before while fed almost lost to gulbis in his previous match.

I find all these tank theories to be utterly false for pretty much all players. I'm not saying that it is not possible that a player might not tank but I don't think we could ever know what's the case and what is not.

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 10:10 PM
in other words, when rafito terrorises daveydenko with the same deep powerful groundstrokes your theory will be disproven, the top5 opponent will not make a difference ... because djokovic in the WTF was not hitting the ball crisply at all (for half the match) yet rafito was still on the back foot ...

well, words are for free at this ponit and we will all see what happens tomorrow

nadal is playing well and he certainly has a big chance to beat kolya but, imho, kolya is playing even better and he'll have a slight edge tomorrow. it will be a tough match for sure, though.

RafitoGoat
01-08-2010, 10:12 PM
nah, last 2 matches rafito has played against davey had a tie-breaker in each match, so now that rafito has his game together he will take those sets, and a lot more ...

abraxas21
01-08-2010, 10:16 PM
accusing the player who never retired in his career of being a match fixer or a coward just shows how low those haters stoop in their delusions and hatred

yeah seriously. some times i wonder where does all this hatred comes from.

nadal is far from being my fave player and i might crack a harmless joke at his expense every once and then but i don't go around making this type of accuasations.. in fact, if you ask me, i think nadal is a decent guy. way too humble for my taste, picks his arse more than he should, takes too much time between serves and his moonballing playing style kinda sucks but I reckon he's nice guy nevertheless.

MrChopin
01-09-2010, 12:02 AM
yeah seriously. some times i wonder where does all this hatred comes from.

nadal is far from being my fave player and i might crack a harmless joke at his expense every once and then but i don't go around making this type of accuasations.. in fact, if you ask me, i think nadal is a decent guy. way too humble for my taste, picks his arse more than he should, takes too much time between serves and his moonballing playing style kinda sucks but I reckon he's nice guy nevertheless.

I make those accusations and more... Tio Toni bullshits Rafa injuries to put opponents off-level. Rafa plays childish mind games with the jumping and pumping, time-wasting on his own serves, stalling during opponent serves, pre-match and tiebreak wait-arounds, and fake humility he uses off the court, you know, the "he's the favorite, i have to play my best, no?" on any surface and against anybody better than #60. He's hardly the innocent Peter Pan figure that the motherly fangirls on here will promote him as... just check his "gracious" post-match presser after losing to Soderling at RG '09.

Yeah, and his game is shit. Reduce the timing between points to 15 seconds and watch his mighty endurance crumble as he's bent double and sucking wind at 2-3 in the first.

Matt01
01-09-2010, 12:16 AM
I make those accusations and more... Tio Toni bullshits Rafa injuries to put opponents off-level. Rafa plays childish mind games with the jumping and pumping, time-wasting on his own serves, stalling during opponent serves, pre-match and tiebreak wait-arounds, and fake humility he uses off the court, you know, the "he's the favorite, i have to play my best, no?" on any surface and against anybody better than #60. He's hardly the innocent Peter Pan figure that the motherly fangirls on here will promote him as... just check his "gracious" post-match presser after losing to Soderling at RG '09.

Yeah, and his game is shit. Reduce the timing between points to 15 seconds and watch his mighty endurance crumble as he's bent double and sucking wind at 2-3 in the first.


Yout post is shit, too :rolleyes:

Andi-M
01-09-2010, 12:20 AM
Rafa should be the least of his problems, he has always had trouble with him even when he was winning 3 slams a year, to be honest since AO 09 both have had so many ups and downs it would almost be like a clean slate the next time they play.

If I were Fed I'd be far more concerned about the recent loses to Del Potro, Soderling, and Davydenko when I once OWNED them.

Cyrus_Paice
01-09-2010, 02:55 AM
fake humility he uses off the court, you know, the "he's the favorite, i have to play my best, no?" on any surface and against anybody better than #60.

So when did Nadal say that? The answer is: never.

Foxy
01-09-2010, 08:50 AM
I make those accusations and more... Tio Toni bullshits Rafa injuries to put opponents off-level. Rafa plays childish mind games with the jumping and pumping, time-wasting on his own serves, stalling during opponent serves, pre-match and tiebreak wait-arounds, and fake humility he uses off the court, you know, the "he's the favorite, i have to play my best, no?" on any surface and against anybody better than #60. He's hardly the innocent Peter Pan figure that the motherly fangirls on here will promote him as... just check his "gracious" post-match presser after losing to Soderling at RG '09.

Yeah, and his game is shit. Reduce the timing between points to 15 seconds and watch his mighty endurance crumble as he's bent double and sucking wind at 2-3 in the first.

Onto your face, tool! :haha:
You made my day! :haha:

paseo
01-09-2010, 09:22 AM
Reduce the timing between points to 15 seconds and watch his mighty endurance crumble as he's bent double and sucking wind at 2-3 in the first.

This is an interesting point. I'm serious. If the 25 seconds rule were enforced, would Nadal's stamina proved insufficient for his grinding game? Will it affect him mentally? Or will it make no difference whatsoever?

Commander Data
01-09-2010, 11:31 AM
Does Parero avoid peak Fed?

This thread is so BS..... They already played 20 freaking times in about every setting possible (mostly on clay, seems Fed was extremly succesful in avoiding peak Nadal...). how could anyone argue that one is avoiding the other?

barbadosan
01-09-2010, 12:16 PM
Rafa should be the least of his problems, he has always had trouble with him even when he was winning 3 slams a year, to be honest since AO 09 both have had so many ups and downs it would almost be like a clean slate the next time they play.

If I were Fed I'd be far more concerned about the recent loses to Del Potro, Soderling, and Davydenko when I once OWNED them.

Unless you seriously believed those stories about Fed being an android, I think you'd realistically have to know that as he ages he will lose more often to players he once "owned". Nothing earth-shattering about that.

@Sweet Cleopatra
01-09-2010, 01:09 PM
May be the first match but not yesterday , He was so frustrated to lose to Koyla again plus Davidenko is playing so good since his marriage.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2010, 07:20 PM
nah, last 2 matches rafito has played against davey had a tie-breaker in each match, so now that rafito has his game together he will take those sets, and a lot more ...

in other words, when rafito terrorises daveydenko with the same deep powerful groundstrokes your theory will be disproven, the top5 opponent will not make a difference
ON YOUR FACE !!

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-09-2010, 07:30 PM
ON YOUR FACE !!
How old are you, 5?

Corey Feldman
01-09-2010, 07:35 PM
oh, another cry baby Nadal fan

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-09-2010, 07:40 PM
oh, another cry baby Nadal fan
At least I have enough in my life not to be so happy at other players losses. Maybe you need to get a life but I probably don't see that happening anytime soon.

HKz
01-09-2010, 07:41 PM
May be the first match but not yesterday , He was so frustrated to lose to Koyla again plus Davidenko is playing so good since his marriage.

He didn't just get married... He has been married for a few years now.. Where the hell have you been?

Corey Feldman
01-09-2010, 07:43 PM
At least I have enough in my life not to be so happy at other players losses. Maybe you need to get a life but I probably don't see that happening anytime soon.and you think ppl dont remember you celebrating all Federer defeats? maybe you should get over today's result and STFU

Orka_n
01-09-2010, 07:46 PM
I make those accusations and more... Tio Toni bullshits Rafa injuries to put opponents off-level. Rafa plays childish mind games with the jumping and pumping, time-wasting on his own serves, stalling during opponent serves, pre-match and tiebreak wait-arounds, and fake humility he uses off the court, you know, the "he's the favorite, i have to play my best, no?" on any surface and against anybody better than #60. He's hardly the innocent Peter Pan figure that the motherly fangirls on here will promote him as... just check his "gracious" post-match presser after losing to Soderling at RG '09.

Yeah, and his game is shit. Reduce the timing between points to 15 seconds and watch his mighty endurance crumble as he's bent double and sucking wind at 2-3 in the first.Excellent post. Too bad I can't rep you right now.
The worst thing is that WE see that but the Nadulltards don't even realize their idol's humility is as messed up as his english. Shouts VAMOS and fistpumps on opponent UEs, gives cold handshakes when he loses but complains to the press when his opponents do the same, delaying even the coin toss before the match... yeah I hear ya. It's sad.

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-09-2010, 07:48 PM
and you think ppl dont remember you celebrating all Federer defeats? maybe you should get over today's result and STFU
What defeats?

I'm over it I'm not even that bothered tbh...its just a tennis match, and not even an important one.

Cyrus_Paice
01-09-2010, 07:57 PM
Excellent post. Too bad I can't rep you right now.
The worst thing is that WE see that but the Nadulltards don't even realize their idol's humility is as messed up as his english. Shouts VAMOS and fistpumps on opponent UEs, gives cold handshakes when he loses but complains to the press when his opponents do the same, delaying even the coin toss before the match... yeah I hear ya. It's sad.

When did Nadal complain about his opponents giving cold handshakes? And maybe you should let his opponents judge about it.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2010, 07:57 PM
What defeats?

I'm over it I'm not even that bothered tbh...its just a tennis match, and not even an important one.and where was i bothered about Nadal winning or losing today ? i was laughing at some Nadal fan boasting who ends up with egg on his face

Nichele Hull
01-09-2010, 08:04 PM
Why would he avoid playing Nadal in his peak? Its not clay and Federer at his peak would beat peak Nadal ;)

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-09-2010, 08:14 PM
Why would he avoid playing Nadal in his peak? Its not clay and Federer at his peak would beat peak Nadal ;)
Federer is well past his peak.

Nichele Hull
01-09-2010, 08:41 PM
Federer is well past his peak.

And Nadal isn't playing peak tennis. Federer shouldn't have to tank matches to avoid Nadal since mediocre tennis can get the job done :p

Andre'sNo1Fan
01-09-2010, 08:47 PM
And Nadal isn't playing peak tennis. Federer shouldn't have to tank matches to avoid Nadal since mediocre tennis can get the job done :p
Federer would never beat Nadal playing mediocre tennis, no chance at all.

Orka_n
01-09-2010, 09:21 PM
When did Nadal complain about his opponents giving cold handshakes?Soderling Wimby 07, for example. And Nadull even won that match, by a small margin too... one would think he would have nothing to complain about but he sure whined.

paseo
01-09-2010, 11:27 PM
I don't like this peak form rafito, he only wins against low ranked player but chokes against top players :sad:
Please, just bring back the old Sparta Nadal :(