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Roddick and Blake OUT of Davis Cup!

tangerine_dream
01-07-2010, 08:29 PM
Say it ain't so. :awww: :bigcry: :hysteric:

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=3154&zoneid=4

Arkulari
01-07-2010, 08:40 PM
well USA is screwed then

Certinfy
01-07-2010, 08:42 PM
Just get Querrey and someone else, it's on clay so... :shrug:

Chip_s_m
01-07-2010, 08:51 PM
Blake not playing isn't a big deal, but Roddick is a loss. Just get Querrey and Russell, and if one of them doesn't want to go then get Isner with Odesnik as a fourth choice.

Horatio Caine
01-07-2010, 08:52 PM
Serbia are stronger than ever, so USA would have struggled to win the tie anyway (especially on clay)...therefore maybe not such a big deal. :p

However, Roddick's attitude towards Davis Cup has always been exemplary...but I wonder if his decision is more because of the crass Tour scheduling for this season? Holding Davis Cup ties in the week before the commencement of back-to-back Masters events was a pretty :retard: decision imo. Obviously he'd probably prefer not to play clay court matches (which he'd struggle to win) immediately before his attempts at some good performances in IW/Miami. Also needs solid finishes in those events if he is to push for another top 6-10 year finish.

It would probably also pay for Blake to be selfish...if he is to make a good comeback this year, he needs to be concentrating on Tour events on any surface but clay. :tape: Besides, if I were captain of the USA side, I'd have binned him for the Switzerland tie 12 months ago, favouring Fish...and yes, I said that without the benefit of hindsight. ;) So, imo, James had outstayed his welcome a little.

I think it is almost about time that USA bleeds some new/less experienced players for live duty anyway. Querrey will have to step up to the mantle sooner rather than later, even if he will be out of his depth particularly on clay.

RIboy
01-07-2010, 08:55 PM
will be Croatia- Serbia in QF, that is always interesting :lol:

JeffCandoi
01-07-2010, 09:00 PM
Blake out? that's good for usa :yeah:

TennisOnWood
01-07-2010, 09:05 PM
So far... Federer,Wawrinka,Murray and this two out of Davis Cup

Maybe some more?

Johnny Groove
01-07-2010, 09:06 PM
We had little chance to win this anyway, although it is still surprising.

nobama
01-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Fed started a trend. :cool:

Har-Tru
01-07-2010, 09:19 PM
Fed started a trend. :cool:

A reprehensible trend.

nobama
01-07-2010, 09:21 PM
A reprehensible trend.
No playing on clay in Serbia a week before playing on hard in the California desert is stupid. Not surprised Roddick is sitting this one out.

Har-Tru
01-07-2010, 09:22 PM
No playing on clay in Serbia a week before playing on hard in the California desert is stupid. Not surprised Roddick is sitting this one out.

Players should play Davis Cup.

Corey Feldman
01-07-2010, 09:48 PM
:lol: enjoy eating crow for a few of the yank posters in here that were allover Fed like a rash for his WD'll

:sport:

AlteredEgo
01-07-2010, 09:52 PM
Players should play Davis Cup.

Davis Cup is a waste of time, it's just pointless.

NyGeL
01-07-2010, 09:54 PM
Ginepri came to Buenos Aires and played a lot on clay last year, so he could team up Querrey,Russell or Fish to defeat Tipsarevic.

Roddickominator
01-07-2010, 10:05 PM
Querrey/Ginepri can win this tie....but of course P-Mac is probably too stupid to go with that lineup.

KarlyM
01-07-2010, 10:06 PM
I'm a bit surprised about Roddick, but I don't really blame him. Why would he want to travel from the US to Serbia to play a very tough tie on clay, then come back to the US for the Masters events? And even if the US team beats Serbia, they would likely face Croatia at home right after Wimbledon (another tough tie). :ras: Roddick has done enough for the team - he should focus on winning another slam before his window completely closes. :)

I'm not at all surprised about Blake. There was a lot of unconfirmed rumblings after losing against Croatia last year that he was either not playing in 2010 or was done with DC for good. He's done his part for the team, but his ranking is way down (#44). He's 30 now, a bit slower, and has been dealing with a number of minor injuries. I'm surprised his career has lasted this long with having scoliosis. He only has a couple years left on tour at best, so now's the time to forget about DC and focus on tour events. :)

The tie against Serbia is a great opportunity for the less experienced players like Querrey and Isner to play in a "hostile" (away) environment. They will have to step up eventually, now is a good time. :) There are also other players to turn to if needed - Fish, Ginepri, Dent (all 3 have played before); plus guys like Ram, Russell, and Odesnik.

Corey Feldman
01-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Roddick thought about the prospect of Djokovic infront of crazy Serb home crowd

http://willowridge.shs.k12.ny.us/WR_Teacher_Pages/sarnackij/01674679-00758307.2/chicken-0011.jpg

Har-Tru
01-07-2010, 10:26 PM
Davis Cup is a waste of time, it's just pointless.

Care to tell us why, oh great one?

Tommy_Vercetti
01-07-2010, 10:43 PM
I use to think that players should sacrifice for Davis Cup, but now I don't see the point. The entire format and schedule is ridiculous.

Davis Cup should be more like an international Ryder Cup.

The fact that Blake even had the chance to be on the team is enough of a disgrace. He's no loss.

star
01-07-2010, 10:53 PM
:lol: enjoy eating crow for a few of the yank posters in here that were allover Fed like a rash for his WD'll

:sport:

Oh, please. Andy has played Davis Cup like the champion he is year after year and has probably sacrificed some results because of it. Federer hasn't supported Davis Cup since he got his butt spanked by Hewitt -- another Davis Cup stawlart.

Action Jackson
01-07-2010, 10:56 PM
The players bitched Davis Cup 1st round was a week after the Aus Open and now they are doing it again because now it's before IW and Miami.

Pea
01-07-2010, 11:09 PM
So what exactly was their excuse?

barbadosan
01-07-2010, 11:28 PM
Oh, please. Andy has played Davis Cup like the champion he is year after year and has probably sacrificed some results because of it. Federer hasn't supported Davis Cup since he got his butt spanked by Hewitt -- another Davis Cup stawlart.

Just curious - what year was this? 2003? I could have sworn I saw Fed playing DC as recently as right after USO last year, but maybe my eyes were deceiving me - and all that tv coverage must just have been fake stuff :)

tangerine_dream
01-07-2010, 11:42 PM
:lol: enjoy eating crow for a few of the yank posters in here that were allover Fed like a rash for his WD'll

:sport:
Eriet. Roddick has played practically every DC tie for ten years, through sickness and injury, unlike Roger who only shows up once a year when it suits him.

gulzhan
01-07-2010, 11:53 PM
A reprehensible trend.

Nothing to be proud about :shrug:

mr_burns
01-08-2010, 12:15 AM
davis cup should be mandatory...it used to be so exciting and still is when the players show up

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 12:15 AM
Care to tell us why, oh great one?

Sure my child. Have a seat, and I'll explain. Davis Cup is useless and pointless, as constructed. No, really, I'm being serious. What exactly is the point of Davis Cup? National Pride? Really?? No, not good enough. Dig deeper. (Or save "national pride" for the Olympics) What is the point of Davis Cup? I'd much rather have the top players or all players with a shorter season or playing in a bigger and better tournament. There is nothing special about Davis Cup or hell, even Fed Cup. I think they're both a big YAWN. It get's less attention that women's college golf. It's time to scrap the entire system or radically alter it. Hell combine it with Fed Cup and make it a real international competition and open the field up more, so that the winning country really has something to brag about. Totally repackage Davis/Fed cup build a real campaign around it: men's single and doubles, women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles. Make it like a fifth slam, give it some real purpose and meaning Right now, it ranks right between a $50k challenger and the final round at qualifying...in New Haven. :zzz:

straitup
01-08-2010, 12:18 AM
Hmmm probably not good for the US team, but I think they could make it slightly competitive if they did go with that Querrey/Ginepri lineup or something like that. At least they should win the doubles

Chip_s_m
01-08-2010, 12:20 AM
Sure my child. Have a seat, and I'll explain. Davis Cup is useless and pointless, as constructed. No, really, I'm being serious. What exactly is the point of Davis Cup? National Pride? Really?? No, not good enough. Dig deeper. (Or save "national pride" for the Olympics) What is the point of Davis Cup? I'd much rather have the top players or all players with a shorter season or playing in a bigger and better tournament. There is nothing special about Davis Cup or hell, even Fed Cup. I think they're both a big YAWN. It get's less attention that women's college golf. It's time to scrap the entire system or radically alter it. Hell combine it with Fed Cup and make it a real international competition and open the field up more, so that the winning country really has something to brag about. Totally repackage Davis/Fed cup build a real campaign around it: men's single and doubles, women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles. Make it like a fifth slam, give it some real purpose and meaning Right now, it ranks right between a $50k challenger and the final round at qualifying...in New Haven. :zzz:

New Haven qualifying is generally pretty decent.

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
New Haven qualifying is generally pretty decent.

So Davis Cup is even less interesting than New Haven's qualifying?! I'll strike that from my summer travel plans..

Har-Tru
01-08-2010, 12:45 AM
Sure my child. Have a seat, and I'll explain. Davis Cup is useless and pointless, as constructed. No, really, I'm being serious. What exactly is the point of Davis Cup? National Pride? Really?? No, not good enough. Dig deeper. (Or save "national pride" for the Olympics) What is the point of Davis Cup? I'd much rather have the top players or all players with a shorter season or playing in a bigger and better tournament. There is nothing special about Davis Cup or hell, even Fed Cup. I think they're both a big YAWN. It get's less attention that women's college golf. It's time to scrap the entire system or radically alter it. Hell combine it with Fed Cup and make it a real international competition and open the field up more, so that the winning country really has something to brag about. Totally repackage Davis/Fed cup build a real campaign around it: men's single and doubles, women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles. Make it like a fifth slam, give it some real purpose and meaning Right now, it ranks right between a $50k challenger and the final round at qualifying...in New Haven. :zzz:

http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1871lol_wut.jpg

OnyxRose
01-08-2010, 01:44 AM
Roddick has done his part for the team. I think he deserves to be selfish and concentrate on his career this year. Especially since his knee isn't all the way back and he's just asking for trouble playing on clay a week before spring hardcourt season. Blake isn't a loss. The other US guys have to step up.

anutam
01-08-2010, 01:46 AM
Eriet. Roddick has played practically every DC tie for ten years, through sickness and injury, unlike Roger who only shows up once a year when it suits him.
Do you believe in numbers?
:banghead:
Federer played 48 matches for DC (37 won, 11 lost)
Roddick played 42 matches (31 won, 11 lost)

cocrcici
01-08-2010, 01:51 AM
Sure my child. Have a seat, and I'll explain. Davis Cup is useless and pointless, as constructed. No, really, I'm being serious. What exactly is the point of Davis Cup? National Pride? Really?? No, not good enough. Dig deeper. (Or save "national pride" for the Olympics) What is the point of Davis Cup? I'd much rather have the top players or all players with a shorter season or playing in a bigger and better tournament. There is nothing special about Davis Cup or hell, even Fed Cup. I think they're both a big YAWN. It get's less attention that women's college golf. It's time to scrap the entire system or radically alter it. Hell combine it with Fed Cup and make it a real international competition and open the field up more, so that the winning country really has something to brag about. Totally repackage Davis/Fed cup build a real campaign around it: men's single and doubles, women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles. Make it like a fifth slam, give it some real purpose and meaning Right now, it ranks right between a $50k challenger and the final round at qualifying...in New Haven. :zzz:

THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

Baghdatis#1
01-08-2010, 02:04 AM
USA :help:
And Davis Cup and Fed Cup are probably my favorite tournaments outside of the slams :shrug:
The only problem is that the best Greek players always skip it so we lose :lol:

Fee
01-08-2010, 02:12 AM
I wonder if the twins will bail now too?

PMac would be smart to take Odesnik to play on clay in Serbia, but it's PMac so...

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 03:22 AM
THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

Thank you. Finally, another voice of reason.

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 03:26 AM
USA :help:
And Davis Cup and Fed Cup are probably my favorite tournaments outside of the slams :shrug:
The only problem is that the best Greek players always skip it so we lose :lol:


:lol:

DartMarcus
01-08-2010, 06:50 AM
I wonder who will be chosen:
Querrey had a great Monte Carlo MS success in 2008, reaching qf there.
Isner can rely on his huge serve and that's why he is more likely to upset someone.
Ginepri reached RG R4 not long ago. If he actually gets in form, then he will be strong contender.
Dent is just awful on clay, no chance for him.
Fish is not a clay lover, but enjoys playing for the country and he can also be considered.
Ram is awful on clay, no option.
Odesnik is surprisingly good on clay, even reached ATP final on this surface. Also had a great start of 2010, reaching Brisbane qf.
Russel can play well on clay, remember his famous RG 2001? But I do not see PMac picking him.
I was a capitan, I would choose Querrey and Fish.

~*BGT*~
01-08-2010, 06:52 AM
Do you believe in numbers?
:banghead:
Federer played 48 matches for DC (37 won, 11 lost)
Roddick played 42 matches (31 won, 11 lost)

:lol: How man DC's does Roddick have? And Roger started playing DC in 1999, while Roddick started in 2001.

iriraz
01-08-2010, 07:04 AM
It`s obvious Federer has played more matches considering he also played doubles while Roddick never did

nobama
01-08-2010, 08:16 AM
Tennis is an individual sport. Roddick's done enough for the US DC team over the years. But I'm sure the draw had a lot to do with it. Ridiculous to play on clay in Serbia right in the middle of hard court events in the USA.

Horatio Caine
01-08-2010, 08:55 AM
The players bitched Davis Cup 1st round was a week after the Aus Open and now they are doing it again because now it's before IW and Miami.

This slot is undoubtedly worse. The top players will be focused on the lucrative '500' events in the week before (with surface issues being a problem for many - e.g. Federer, Roddick), and then there are the back-to-back Masters events immediately following the Davis Cup weekend.

Sure, you could nit-pick and argue that the top players won't be playing their first IW matches until that first weekend...but, still, it is far from ideal.


EDIT - just realised that this slot was used last year as well. I don't remember there being quite as much disgruntlement...perhaps there weren't as many necessary surface changes.

bluefork
01-08-2010, 09:01 AM
It`s obvious Federer has played more matches considering he also played doubles while Roddick never did

This is also a reason why Federer might not be as eager to play Davis Cup. Roddick has to play two matches at most, and often only has to play one when USA wins on the second day. On the other hand, Federer was almost always going to have to play all three days, especially before Wawrinka started to perform better. Playing Davis Cup is a much bigger effort for Federer.

Anyway, I can't blame any players for not wanting to play given the current scheduling. Maybe this will finally convince the ITF/ATP to reformat the tournament.

Horatio Caine
01-08-2010, 09:04 AM
I wonder who will be chosen:
Querrey had a great Monte Carlo MS success in 2008, reaching qf there.
Isner can rely on his huge serve and that's why he is more likely to upset someone.
Ginepri reached RG R4 not long ago. If he actually gets in form, then he will be strong contender.
Dent is just awful on clay, no chance for him.
Fish is not a clay lover, but enjoys playing for the country and he can also be considered.
Ram is awful on clay, no option.
Odesnik is surprisingly good on clay, even reached ATP final on this surface. Also had a great start of 2010, reaching Brisbane qf.
Russel can play well on clay, remember his famous RG 2001? But I do not see PMac picking him.
I was a capitan, I would choose Querrey and Fish.

I think the only reason why Fish would play is because he hasn't played much Davis Cup before. Otherwise, I could see him volunteering to miss this tie (along with Roddick and Blake) as well...let's face it, clay is also his worst surface, and he needs to be concentrating on his singles events if he is to survive his impending plummet in the rankings (to the depths of #150s).

Ram, Dent and Isner are not viable candidates imo. The first two need no explanation, and Isner's serve can only get him so far.

Ginepri always has the potential to be useful for a tie such as this...but most of the time is a walking definition of a useless player, and can surely be overlooked. :shrug:


I also think that PMac should be choosing between Querrey, Odesnik and Russell. Hard to really rate Querrey on clay (despite the Monte Carlo result), but he has experience of tennis at the highest level, so that should count for quite a lot. Odesnik is a good scrapper and will surely relish the fight...could also be a useful experience for him as far as developing his career, and he is still fairly young. Russell obviously very much in his twilight years, but he is a good grinder, and a strong chap. For sentimental reasons, it would also be a nice reward for him considering some of his recent misfortune with injuries and how well he fought to resurrect his career afterwards. :yeah:

timafi
01-08-2010, 12:56 PM
it's not as if either Roddick or Blake would have beaten Djokovic on clay in Serbia:shrug:

as for Blake since 2008 when the US had to face Spain in Spain on clay;he punked out claiming he was "tired" when he lost in the First round in both Paris and Wimbledon and lost early at the USO:rolleyes:

he was humiliated last year in Croatia losing to Karlovic so it makes sense that he'd bail:tape:

MrChopin
01-08-2010, 01:31 PM
Care to tell us why, oh great one?

But first you should answer "Why?" to the following:

Players should play Davis Cup.

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 02:46 PM
I'd like to personally thank the loser who couldn't articulate an argument FOR davis cup, but instead gave me negative reputation points. Ouch, that hurt my feelings.. Davis Cup still sucks.

River
01-08-2010, 02:58 PM
I'd like to personally thank the loser who couldn't articulate an argument FOR davis cup, but instead gave me negative reputation points. Ouch, that hurt my feelings.. Davis Cup still sucks.

8 posts in and people already hate your guts, awesome! xD

Not to mention you purposely bold your statements in an attempt to have people recognize your posts to have some sort of relevance to the conversation.

*pats him in the back* I'm sure you'll fit right in...

...in a trash compactor xD

HattonWBA
01-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Davis Cup is a waste of time, it's just pointless.

Agreed especially in Great Britain

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 04:22 PM
8 posts in and people already hate your guts, awesome! xD

Not to mention you purposely bold your statements in an attempt to have people recognize your posts to have some sort of relevance to the conversation.

*pats him in the back* I'm sure you'll fit right in...

...in a trash compactor xD

Whatever loser. You still haven't articulated a sane reason for keeping Davis Cup.

AlteredEgo
01-08-2010, 04:24 PM
Agreed especially in Great Britain

Great Britain..Spain..Australia..Russia..South America..United States...EVERY WHERE..Davis Cup is even less important than Hopman Cup..

Har-Tru
01-09-2010, 02:04 PM
But first you should answer "Why?" to the following:

Oh really? I have to defend my point that Davis Cup is an important tournament? I could understand that for a newly created ATP Tour event in, say, Belgrade, but Davis Cup???

Gotta love people from countries that currently suck bitching about DC. :lol:

I miss the times when players weren't 100% selfish and thought a bit about their countries and more importantly the tennis system that saw them rise, and didn't disappoint the kids growing up back home who are looking up to them. And then people wonder why "we've gone down in tennis in my country"...

heya
01-09-2010, 04:40 PM
When Roddick called himself not talented enough, and said he was retiring before age 30, why would he expect his fans to support him again? He certainly didn't expect the nice player Blake to believe in him...

Dougie
01-09-2010, 04:46 PM
Well, at least Roddick is honest, and not being one of those guys who show up only for the finals. As for Blake, the team USA should only feel grateful.

Corey Feldman
01-09-2010, 10:30 PM
Roddick "I'm not going to be one of the guys who plays when it's convenient, when it's close to home and when it's good for him health-wise. My view has always been you decide at the beginning of the year if you're going to go through everything or not."

taking a shot at Federer imo

what a trooper you are Andy, why dont you pat yourself on the back some more while your at it :rolleyes:

batavlada
01-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Davis Cup is great tour and all players that not participating should be penalized for playing all of the season for personal interest and collecting decent funds, while they cant play for country.

Second thing is that Davis Cup is unique opportunity for spectators to enjoy and see some of big tennis names especially in cities that do not have strong tournaments. Many of them have idols on court and it is a really shame.

Anyway, I am sure that Roddick and Blake will issue statement, after the match vs Serbia that they will return in team.

Johnny Groove
01-09-2010, 10:53 PM
Do you believe in numbers?
:banghead:
Federer played 48 matches for DC (37 won, 11 lost)
Roddick played 42 matches (31 won, 11 lost)

Roddick since 2005. 23 matches in 13 ties.

Federer since 2005. 12 matches in 5 ties.

Fee
01-10-2010, 12:21 AM
Roddick "I'm not going to be one of the guys who plays when it's convenient, when it's close to home and when it's good for him health-wise. My view has always been you decide at the beginning of the year if you're going to go through everything or not."

taking a shot at Federer imo

what a trooper you are Andy, why dont you pat yourself on the back some more while your at it :rolleyes:

I actually saw that as a bit of a shot at Sampras and Agassi, to be honest. Very spotty DC records in their careers.