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Doha 1/4: Troicki def Kubot 4-6 6-4 7-6(1)

samanosuke
01-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Huge choke from Lukasz . 5-2 up in the third

croat123
01-07-2010, 03:09 PM
also, 2 dfs while he was serving for the match, 2dfs in the tb, and no first serves in the tb

Tom Paulman
01-07-2010, 03:11 PM
Self destruction from Kubot, he should have won it.

But I'm glad Troicki didn't give up, it would have cost me mad money -_-

FlameOn
01-07-2010, 03:12 PM
Luke. :sad: Oh well, QF is still nice. I hope he has a good draw at the AO.

Certinfy
01-07-2010, 03:14 PM
What a choke :o

Voo de Mar
01-07-2010, 03:15 PM
Troicki's tactics with using many dropshots paid off at the end. Q-bot had cramps at 6:5 and lost 11 out of 12 last points. It's rather sad that he lost two winning matches (Wawrinka in Shanghai) in short period of time :o

Har-Tru
01-07-2010, 03:19 PM
Massive choke... :o he stopped S&Ving when it got tight

Ad Wim
01-07-2010, 03:32 PM
So Troicki is luckboxing through this tournament. Will be toast in SF though...

Speed of Light
01-07-2010, 03:35 PM
If Kubot can start keeping his head together in tight situations he has a potential to be a top 20 player.

Bascule
01-07-2010, 03:36 PM
:eek:
Yay, Viktor!!!:D
I had to leave the house at 5:2 for Kubot in the third set, can't believe this.
I am sorry for Kubot, but what happened?

Voo de Mar
01-07-2010, 03:43 PM
:eek:
Yay, Viktor!!!:D
I had to leave house when at 5:2 for Kubot in the third set, can't believe it.
I am sorry for Kubot, but what happened?

Kubot played awful game at *5:3, Troicki played good games at 2:5, 4:5 and 5:6. In the tie-break Kubot showed absolutely nothing.

Greg-Pete fan
01-07-2010, 04:25 PM
What a big choke :(

Kubot was two points away from victory twice: at 5:3 (40:40) and 5:4 (30:30). Awful self destruction from his side:mad:

Aenea
01-07-2010, 04:28 PM
What a fool this Lucas :mad: He had the match in his hands and found a way to blow it :mad: Idiot!

Juli_V
01-07-2010, 04:29 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaay Viktor :bounce:

Corey Feldman
01-07-2010, 05:06 PM
F U Kubot, choker

Wannabeknowitall
01-07-2010, 05:10 PM
I haven't watched Troicki much but he seems to not have the best movement and needs time on his shots.
Kubot should have kept the pressure on when he had his lead.

shawshank
01-07-2010, 07:28 PM
Voo, I remember a discussion with you some time ago when you said that Kubot has a very good mentality. At that point I thought that his mentality was medium. But now I think that his mentality is quite bad. His game is already in TOP 30-50, but his head is outside of TOP 200! I don't want to crtiticize Kubot, beacuse I'm really happy that at least we have somebody that we can get excited about on ATP tour. But look at those matches from 2009:
- Costa do Suipe, Bellucci- Kubot lost 7/5 4/6 4/6 (had 4/1 lead in final set with two breaks)
- Beijing, Ljubicic- Kubot lost 6/7(6) 6/4 4/6 (had a lot of chances to win 1st set and didn't convert any of bp's in final set)
- Shanghai, Wawrinka- Kubot lost 6/2 6/7 6/7 (had a 5/1 lead in a tiebreak of 2nd set and then lost 6 points in a row)
- Paris, Cilic- Kubot lost 7/6 4/6 2/6 (had many bp's in 2nd set, didn't convert them and allowed Cilic to convert his 1st bp)

Kubot also lost some tight matches with Benneteau (qualies to Canada), Soeda (terrible match at Wimby), Matosevic (Queens), Troicki (French Open), Hajek (Ostrava challenger), Koellerer (qualies of Acapulco), Vik (Wroclaw).

I believe that even at the age of 27 you can do a lot, but his mentality is not allowing Kubot for more. I can also see that in the ends of those tight matches Kubot is almost always out of gas- he is changing his game plan coz he is so tired, so his fitness could be better as well.
Anyway, I'm really proud of him, coz his game style is awesome and it's a first time in my life that I can actually get excited about men's Polish tennis.

And about today loss- Kubot was 2 points away from getting to semis and playing Nadal. Last year Przesiezny in 1st round of Doha was 2 points away of beating Beck and setting up a clash in a 2nd round with Nadal.
2 times the same sad story :(

marquez
01-07-2010, 07:29 PM
massive choking
not a bad match though

have to agree with shawshank, kubot is top 50 material concerning his game, but I fear that you cant learn these mental things. he will need more matches on this level, he will hopefully pull out a big win some day to help him to avoid shitting his pants when it matters

*Jean*
01-07-2010, 07:35 PM
Lukasz :sad: Very close...
Well done Viktor, way to go for tomorrow. :scared:

Hellraiser
01-07-2010, 08:00 PM
I was so nervous in the third as hell, but man of the match it was psyhio of Kubot he was really on rollercoaster in the seat.

Really shame it could be a nice game vs. Nadal and huge tour for Łukasz at the beginning of the season. But we must be happy that we have Pole in ATP #250+ and in the near future next player I mean here Przysiezny. It can be only better in this season for Kubot.

JEDZIESZ KUBOCIK!

Horatio Caine
01-07-2010, 09:28 PM
If Kubot can start keeping his head together in tight situations he has a potential to be a top 20 player.

:spit: You must be living in a mad world to think that.

He could make top 75-80, but not sure whether he can go much better than that. When he is on, he is a dangerous player, no question. But, generally, there are quite a few weaknesses to his game. For example, he is quite wooden, and his movement can certainly be exploited...fitness could also be better. Not a great margin for error on his ground strokes imo, and he is a bit predictable. His touch at the net isn't particularly great, overheads below-par for someone of his height and strength. I have him down as a bit of a clumsy player really, but credit to him for what he has achieved in singles and doubles over the last year or so.

Voo de Mar
01-07-2010, 10:55 PM
Voo, I remember a discussion with you some time ago when you said that Kubot has a very good mentality. At that point I thought that his mentality was medium. But now I think that his mentality is quite bad. His game is already in TOP 30-50 [...]

Everything right but there are two things:
1) a tennis career is quite long
2) there are 4 different levels (ATP, Davis Cup, Challengers, Futures)

1) Looking at the whole career it's still quite good; you know if Blake wins against Gicquel 6-3 3-6 7-6(8) after 1:3 in the third saving 3 mp's it doesn't mean he is good in tight matches, he's very bad and still hopeless in the tie-break of the third set

2) If we're talking about ATP level - yes, Kubot is mentally weak in singles; last year as you mentioned lost to Bellucci, Ljubicic, Wawrinka and Cilic, now lost to Troicki - having chance to win. In the past lost tight matches to Waske and Robredo; won on this level... nothing tight (if we don't count his 5-setters at the US Open a couple years ago) :o But, in Doha he has just played 22nd tournament on the main level; has already played 122 Challengers and 37 Futures.
There are also qualyfing matches to all tournaments, for example last year he didn't lose a match having MP but won twice saving MP (Alves - Roland Garros; Berrer - Paris); there is doubles competition were Kubot last year had stunning record (absolutely against probability) along with Marach in tight super tie-breaks.

The things look different depending on the perspective we're looking at...

born_on_clay
01-07-2010, 11:05 PM
Łukasz :o :o :o
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orangehat
01-08-2010, 03:06 AM
Viktor :o

Needs to do a lot of work on the forehand and the movement.

At least you won though! :bounce:

adam10
01-08-2010, 03:38 AM
Ajde Viktor