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What does the Champion's point race look like now?

luvbadboys
09-09-2002, 12:06 AM
Anybody knows?

TheBoiledEgg
09-09-2002, 12:14 AM
1-Hewitt 690
2-Agassi 554
3-Safin 430
4-Henman 420
5-Costa 393
5-Moya 393
5-Ferrero 393
8-Haas 385
9-Roddick 383
10-Federer 356
11-Novak 349
12-Sampras 347
13-Canas 329
14-Johansson 312
15-Corretja 296


Top 7 Auto qualify for Shanghai
if Slam winners are outside top 7 then highest placed one will take the last spot

Johansson is doomed

Scotso
09-09-2002, 12:16 AM
Go Lleyton :D

luvbadboys
09-09-2002, 12:36 AM
LLeyton will have to lose early in his next 3 tournaments and Andre and Marat will have to go deep to even be competive in Shanghai. Damm this does not bode well for an exciting/dramatic year-end race for #1.

TennisHack
09-09-2002, 12:46 AM
Poor Thomas :sad:

Chloe le Bopper
09-09-2002, 01:15 AM
The race for number one looks like it might not be interesting, but the rush to be the top 7 is something else :eek:

Dissident
09-09-2002, 02:17 AM
Dog fight for those last spots :eek:

luvbadboys
09-09-2002, 04:23 AM
You're right! I can't wait.

TheBoiledEgg
09-09-2002, 09:03 AM
i think Moya,Ferrero and Costa are doomed as well
Costa might sneak in cos Pete may get in top 7 (if he plays)

those Masters events in Madrid and Paris will sort it out.

Carlos Moya can only gain pts if he makes final in the optional events or SF in Tokyo or the 50 pt events for winners

kfh_9118
09-09-2002, 09:50 AM
GO PETE :bounce: :bounce:

Jackie
09-09-2002, 11:12 AM
1-Hewitt 690
:)

dbc
09-09-2002, 03:44 PM
Some things should change in that top 8 as apart from 1 or 2 tournaments like Palermo (where usually none of the top players go though Costa, Ferrero & Moya just might try to up their points there) the rest of the year they are all on hard outdoor courts or indoor and people like Pete, Haas, Roddick & Federer have more chance of upping their rankings.
What I can't understand is that with only 2 months to go Kafelnikov, who is down at 30 in the Championship Race is still no 8 on the Entry system. Know he won Moscow last year for the umpteenth time in a row, but he must have a lot of points to defend.

TheBoiledEgg
09-09-2002, 04:04 PM
Carlos Moya and Ferrero aren't playing any more clay

both heading to Asia
Hong Kong and Tokyo

tennischick
09-09-2002, 04:08 PM
Andre is #2 in spite of losing the USO? wow, he's actually closing in on Hewitt. not too shabby for an old man.

TennisHack
09-09-2002, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by dbc
What I can't understand is that with only 2 months to go Kafelnikov, who is down at 30 in the Championship Race is still no 8 on the Entry system. Know he won Moscow last year for the umpteenth time in a row, but he must have a lot of points to defend.

Zhenya has already won a title this year, lest we forget (Halle), and Moscow really is his to lose. He plays so much during the year that he can lose early in a lot of tournaments, win one or two, and consistently stay in the Top 10. This year, he had semifinal USO points to defend and he fell four spots in a week as a result of his loss. Remember the Entry System is year-to-date points and the Race is year-from-January points. His Halle win helped him boost his Race points.

TheBoiledEgg
09-09-2002, 05:51 PM
Zhenya has 300 pts where he cannot defend (Masters Cup)
250 in Moscow
120 in Tashkent
225 in Stuttgart
350 in Paris Bercy
100 in St Petersburg

worst scenario is Zhenya will be in 20's somewhere at end of season.

AmErIcAn
09-09-2002, 06:36 PM
Tommy 'Haas' slipped :sad: :sad:

dbc
09-09-2002, 08:19 PM
Thanks Boiled egg. I just could not be bothered to go & check my records (I keep them for every t'ment - Slams & MS the whole draw and all the others from the 2nd round) just remembered the Moscow result.
Tenis hack: he may have won Halle but he's done precious little else & I understand the Entry System perfectly. In fact i don't really like the C'ship race as I felt the old 52 week system wasn't difficult to understand as long as one knew what points, if any, a player had coming off each week.

dbc
09-09-2002, 08:21 PM
AmErican: Tommy Haas didn't slip. Agassi jumped up!

Vera
09-09-2002, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by dbc
In fact i don't really like the C'ship race as I felt the old 52 week system wasn't difficult to understand as long as one knew what points, if any, a player had coming off each week.

I'm particularly sad that Ferrero made it all the way up to #2 in the entry system and nobody cares. Same thing to Haas. :(

Chloe le Bopper
09-09-2002, 08:36 PM
I care Vera :D

I think the biggest shaft must have been give to Marat Safin. Reached number on in the entry system, the youngest to do so (if I'm not mistaken he was younger than Hewitt), and it went utterly ignored because they were too busy trying to promote the champions race :rolleyes:

TennisHack
09-09-2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by dbc
Tenis hack: he may have won Halle but he's done precious little else & I understand the Entry System perfectly. In fact i don't really like the C'ship race as I felt the old 52 week system wasn't difficult to understand as long as one knew what points, if any, a player had coming off each week.

Whoa now, no need to take out your agression on me. I'm too cute ;) But I wholeheartedly agree the Race is trite and much prefer the old ESP.

I think I originally misunderstood your question a bit but thought posted a "whoops" reply would just be redundant after Eggy's points.

TheBoiledEgg
09-09-2002, 08:54 PM
to understand the entry points
check www.stevegtennis.com ;)

and this link in particular where it gives players points breakdownof their top 18 events.

http://tennissm.tripod.com/entry_ratings/nr_1_50.txt

Costa and Ferrero can make up points (5th optional event is only 25 on both their total where Carlos has 5th as 90 :( )

Vera
09-10-2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca

I think the biggest shaft must have been give to Marat Safin. Reached number on in the entry system, the youngest to do so (if I'm not mistaken he was younger than Hewitt), and it went utterly ignored because they were too busy trying to promote the champions race :rolleyes:

Thanks for reminding us, Becca. Ya, poor Marat won 7 tourneys that year, and it's all but forgotten.

I'm just glad that Moya and Rafter got to the top in the old days. Their quest to the top may be short but it's still required a 52-weeks effort and hence, should be acknowledged. I mean, that 52-week didn't end at year end doesn't make it any easier to do.

And don't count the spaniards out so fast. Moya won a hard court TMS not long ago and Ferrero got to Paris TMS semi before. I think they have a good chance making TMC this year.

Jackie
09-10-2002, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by tennischick
Andre is #2 in spite of losing the USO? wow, he's actually closing in on Hewitt. not too shabby for an old man.

He was always going to close in on Hewitt a bit because Agassi has his best results on hardcourts...and judging by the way he has been playing, he definately deserves that No.2 ranking

Beat
09-10-2002, 01:42 PM
5-Costa 393
5-Moya 393
5-Ferrero 393
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is there some spanish 393-conspiracy? ;)

Williams Rulez
09-10-2002, 01:46 PM
C'mon Andre... take the number 1 spot away from that... ...

tennischick
09-10-2002, 02:46 PM
lol@ Beat...:D. i totally agree Williamsrulz!

now here's the latest on the movers and shakers from tennisone.com.

Men (Based on Entry Rankings)

Biggest Upward Mover -- Most Places Moved (Top 100)
Leader: Jan-Michael Gambill -- Moved 15 places, from #57 to #42.
After a tough year, Gambill finally seems to be rediscovering his hardcourt game; he made the U. S. Open round of sixteen before losing to Andre Agassi.

Runner-Up: Irakli Labadze -- Moved 12 places, from #109 to #97
Although Labadez lost his opening match at the U. S. Open, that left him free to play the Kiev Challenger, which he won (though he didn't beat any noteworthy names along the way)

Biggest Percentage Mover -- Cut Ranking By Highest Percent (Top 100)
Leader: Andre Agassi -- Moved 3 places, 50%, from #6 to #3
After a disappointing Open last year, Agassi reached the final; he's up to #2 in the Race. The question now is, what will he do for the rest of the year?

Runner-Up: Tommy Haas -- Moved 1 places, 33, from #3 to #2
This is really more by default, when Marat Safin failed to defend his points.

Biggest Loser -- Most Places Lost (Top 100)
Loser: Goran Ivanisevic -- Dropped 26 places, from #90 to #116
Not playing will do that to you....

Biggest Percentage Loser -- Worst Percentage Increase in Ranking (Top 100)
Loser: Yevgeny Kafelnikov, ranking increased 4 places, 100%, from #4 to #8
Last year, Kafelnikov was a semifinalist. This year, he played the way he did all year.

Our Personal Picks for "Best Mover of the Week"
These are subjective picks!

Women: Bovina. She's been showing signs of real promise for years. It looks like she's finally going to start coming through.

Men: Ouch. In terms of percentage improvements, the list runs:
1. Agassi (50%)
2. Haas (33%
3. Sjeng Schalken (32%)
4. Gambill (26%)
5T. Max Mirnyi (18%)
5T. Pete Sampras (18%).

But Haas moved up by default, and Agassi probably could have won and didn't. Sampras is just too far down the list. And Sjeng Schalken reached his first Slam semifinal. Admittedly he didn't do much when he got there -- but he's the top reasonable candidate. So: Schalken.

Vera
09-10-2002, 05:39 PM
Are you a portfolio manager or stock broker? Just wondering.:D

luvbadboys
09-10-2002, 06:04 PM
I should also have posted that although I want a competive race for #1, I do want Lleyton to be #1 for A 2ND YEAR IN A ROW:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I think it would be nice if both Pete and Andre are entered in Shanghai.

tennischick
09-10-2002, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Vera
Are you a portfolio manager or stock broker? Just wondering.:D

who me? :confused: i'm too poor to be either! :eek:

Vera
09-10-2002, 06:22 PM
You did a good job pouring out those stats, sounded like those ppl on CNBC...:)

tennischick
09-10-2002, 06:28 PM
gosh, you mean i forgot to credit tennisone.com? i could have sworn i did! oops!!! :eek: all of the info can be found at www.tennisone.com. i was only regurgitating...;) ;)

Vera
09-10-2002, 06:39 PM
Oops, what do I know:o

All the credit to tennisone.com but many thanks to TC for regurgitating them here. :) :) :)

Pea
09-10-2002, 07:54 PM
Alex is 15 even after a horrible year for him.:o;)

Jackie
09-11-2002, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by luvbadboys
I should also have posted that although I want a competive race for #1, I do want Lleyton to be #1 for A 2ND YEAR IN A ROW:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


It looks pretty likely at this stage. Agassi seems to be the only person capable of beating him unless he's sick

Chloe le Bopper
09-11-2002, 05:00 AM
I really really hope that all 3 of the spaniards maintain their top ten places :) Having three finish in the top ten would be awesome :)

Maye Alex can rip up the indoor season and join them ;)

luvbadboys
09-11-2002, 06:18 AM
I'd like that to Rebecca then maybe people/media will stop refering to them as nobodies.