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Underhand serve against Nadal ?

TheMightyFed
05-29-2009, 02:35 PM
Why does nobody try to mix some underhand serves with normal first/second serves against Nadal. He's so far behind his baseline it's ridiculous. They would keep him honest once in a while, that's a sure bet. Is it because of étiquette ? You don't do that when you're pro ? Discuss !

Goldenoldie
05-29-2009, 02:38 PM
It wouldn't be cricket, but no idea about tennis

Voo de Mar
05-29-2009, 02:44 PM
It doesn't make sense because the match is long and how many points Nadal's opponent can gain this way, 3-4? If someone used this tactics often, obviously Nadal would stay in the court before the return :shrug:

justsumma
05-29-2009, 02:45 PM
It wouldn't be cricket, but no idea about tennis not possible in cricket since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_underarm_bowling_incident

MatchFederer
05-29-2009, 02:50 PM
not possible in cricket since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_underarm_bowling_incident

LOL. It is a British saying, I believe. "That is not cricket" = that just isn't respectful/good. I have a feeling the poster was playing with words.

justsumma
05-29-2009, 02:57 PM
LOL. It is a British saying, I believe. "That is not cricket" = that just isn't respectful/good. I have a feeling the poster was playing with words.

you're right. "not cricket" means "not fair", Cricket being a gentleman's game and all that shit :) Another British slang up my arsenal.

MacTheKnife
05-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Ask Hingis..

dal
05-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Ask Hingis..

:haha:... i think she's gonna say that it will end with someone crying :lol:

finishingmove
05-29-2009, 03:26 PM
when was the last time someone saw an underhand serve?

Har-Tru
05-29-2009, 03:27 PM
Ask Hingis..

I was literally counting the number of posts before someone said it. :D

TheMightyFed
05-29-2009, 03:34 PM
I was literally counting the number of posts before someone said it. :D

What about Chang ?

Johnny Groove
05-29-2009, 03:36 PM
when was the last time someone saw an underhand serve?

Ljubicic against Monfils I think. Grass a few years ago.

Ackms421
05-29-2009, 03:39 PM
So what you're trying to say is, you're a huge Hewitt fan.

MisterQ
05-29-2009, 03:44 PM
Ask Hingis..

Yep. :lol:

I think she'd tell us it works the first time.

A_Skywalker
05-29-2009, 03:46 PM
Why does nobody try to mix some underhand serves with normal first/second serves against Nadal. He's so far behind his baseline it's ridiculous. They would keep him honest once in a while, that's a sure bet. Is it because of étiquette ? You don't do that when you're pro ? Discuss !

I didnt know its cruel to return serves standing far behind the baseline :wavey:

dodo
05-29-2009, 03:54 PM
I believe I remember Karlovic (of all people) serving one last season. Won the point, too.


t doesn't make sense because the match is long and how many points Nadal's opponent can gain this way, 3-4? If someone used this tactics often, obviously Nadal would stay in the court before the return

Well, wouldnt that be the point? If you force him to stand further up the court, he will have much more trouble returning the hard and wide serves.

Garson007
05-29-2009, 03:56 PM
I also have no idea why this tactic is not employed more against defensive returners. It's no worse than a drop shot.

Beforehand
05-29-2009, 04:05 PM
I would at least try it if I were a player - it's not like anything else is working, and yeah...if he thought you'd do it, it would keep him from standing 70 feet behind the baseline for every return.

RafaTheBest
05-29-2009, 04:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2-jsRJRJE

Polikarpov
05-29-2009, 04:27 PM
I thought Hingis' was more impressive than Chang's because she wasn't injured, and did it at championship point. It was basically an FU to the crowd.

Of course you could try it against Nadal--that's if you can deal with the crowd booing you for the rest of the match.

GlennMirnyi
05-29-2009, 04:36 PM
I didnt know its cruel to return serves standing far behind the baseline :wavey:

Reality alert, reality alert!

The antonym of honest is dishonest, not cruel.

:wavey:

habibko
05-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Ljubicic against Monfils I think. Grass a few years ago.

on match point no less :worship:

wally1
05-29-2009, 05:25 PM
when was the last time someone saw an underhand serve?Tabakova against Robson in the SF of last years junior Wimbledon (OK girls tennis, but she still did it well...)

A_Skywalker
05-29-2009, 05:40 PM
Reality alert, reality alert!

The antonym of honest is dishonest, not cruel.

:wavey:

Good, thanks, if only you were so smart with your predictions, like your prediction Nadal will fade away(made before 2-3 years).

alfonsojose
05-29-2009, 06:09 PM
I thought Hingis' was more impressive than Chang's because she wasn't injured, and did it at championship point. It was basically an FU to the crowd.

Of course you could try it against Nadal--that's if you can deal with the crowd booing you for the rest of the match.

Hingis had the balls no ATP player uses :sad:

Etern
05-29-2009, 06:33 PM
I believe I remember Karlovic (of all people) serving one last season. Won the point, too.

It was against Haas in Stockholm... And yes he won that point.

Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3JsfD22wHQ

TheMightyFed
05-29-2009, 08:36 PM
It was against Haas in Stockholm... And yes he won that point.

Youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3JsfD22wHQ

Huge from Karlovic, Mr Serve himself. I like how Haas isn't really bothered !

TheMightyFed
05-29-2009, 08:39 PM
It doesn't make sense because the match is long and how many points Nadal's opponent can gain this way, 3-4?

If these are 3-4 break points against you...

Arkulari
05-29-2009, 08:41 PM
Martina did the same on Paris and the crowd really got against her, at the end of the day, Steffi won the tournament, so... ;)

Voo de Mar
05-29-2009, 10:14 PM
Well, wouldnt that be the point? If you force him to stand further up the court, he will have much more trouble returning the hard and wide serves.

I suppose staying on the baseline before the return isn't a problem for Nadal, he is very flexible. He stays two meters behind because it's comfortable for him to have time to play heavy topspin which give him good position before the rally. I think it would be only a good tactics in crucial moments, for instance setpoint up, or maybe setpoint down in the tie-break. I don't see this shot as a serious weapon on regular basis.

dodo
05-29-2009, 10:51 PM
Its not a problem as in he's not going to get hit in the face with the balls or anything. No matter the situation you put him in, he will find a way to cope, he is a professional tennis player after all and a pretty good one at that. But getting him out of his comfort zone is (a part of) what it takes to beat this guy. If you let him play his regular game, he will vamostopspin you all day long.

MrChopin
05-29-2009, 11:07 PM
I like this suggestion. And Nadulltards, this is in no way a judgment of the morality of Nadal's game. Rather, I think it would be an effective tactic at keeping him closer, which would disrupt perhaps the best and most defensive returner on tour, certainly on clay.

1 underhand/game. Even if you lose that point every time, his return game is going to suffer. How many deep returns did he push to players' BHs last year by standing meters behind the baseline? I think you could make that one point up rather easily if you force him to move in, whether in a shank he yields or in short returns due to a lack of sufficient time.

moon language
05-29-2009, 11:19 PM
Even from where he normally stands Nadal would track them down. It might work once but he'd be all over it from there on.

calvinhobbes
05-29-2009, 11:31 PM
Even from where he normally stands Nadal would track them down. It might work once but he'd be all over it from there on.

O, My Gosh! Should Roger have used it in one of his match points in Rome???.....:crazy::crazy::crazy:

l_mac
05-29-2009, 11:56 PM
And Nadulltards,

Expected better from you.

MTF is nothing if not a constant source of disappointment. I gotta get out of this place.

leng jai
05-29-2009, 11:56 PM
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,

l_mac
05-30-2009, 12:00 AM
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,
Nadulltards,

Yeah.

I don't expect better from you.

habibko
05-30-2009, 12:09 AM
O, My Gosh! Should Roger have used it in one of his match points in Rome???.....:crazy::crazy::crazy:

those two match points were on Nadal's serve so no he couldn't have done it.

Andi-M
05-30-2009, 12:44 AM
I think it should be used every now and then to change up the rhythm and make him think about his positioning on court it could really throw him off.

Bargearse
05-30-2009, 04:07 AM
Huge from Karlovic, Mr Serve himself. I like how Haas isn't really bothered !

Haas wasn't really bothered, but I read a quote from him indicating there should be a ban against players over 6 foot 6 or something to that effect. Wonder if it was after that match?

The Hingis underhand serve against Graf in the French Open final was just one of many entertaining things she did. She was crying, went into the locker room and changed her outfit and hairdo, smacked her racquet against the back wall. It was one of the most enjoyable and incredible matches I've ever watched.

ugotlobbed
05-30-2009, 04:30 AM
perhaps try pegging nadal a few times on the 2nd, then when he moves back do it