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Grand Slams should adapt the Master Series format

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:08 PM
Seriously, what's the point of playing all these extra rounds? All you're really doing to the top players is waisting their time by making them go for several extra hours on the court. It's obvious these mental midgets won't do anything to them. What we saw today I wouldn't even call "choking", you're giving them far too much credit by using that word. It's merely become expected for things to unfold the way they have, as they did in the Fed and Murray matches, for example. These men don't belong at this level, really. It's not a knock on them, everyone has their limits, and there is a reason why we don't see them at the MS events. Give the top seeds byes in the first round, invite only the top players, and keep it best of 5 of course. Tournament would be shorter, of much higher quality, and most importantly, competative. Seems simple enough.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:10 PM
Sorry, that should say "adopt", not, "adapt". My bad.

oranges
05-28-2009, 03:10 PM
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FedFan_2007
05-28-2009, 03:12 PM
:retard:

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Its what makes the Grand Slams different. 128 draws require stamina.

Let the results of the matches decide who belongs where.

Fiberlight1
05-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Why don't we just have the top ten play a year-end Masters series style tournament each grand slam?

Action Jackson
05-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Go follow another sport.

habibko
05-28-2009, 03:15 PM
I tell you what, eveyone besides the top 4 are total mugs, in fact Murray is a mug on clay so let's exclude him from RG, you know what? Djokovic is only good for semis so let's take him out as well and play one match between Fed and Nadal, but Fed always loses it so what's the point? let's just give the trophy to Nadal, there is really no point playing in the current format.

:retard:

Merton
05-28-2009, 03:15 PM
:wavey: Mr. Tiriac

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:16 PM
No, it's much better to watch for example Nadal against a challenger, and count the number of points in the whole match that he actually loses. :worship:

Action Jackson
05-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Tiriac does have 33 kids allegedly and some of them do have internet access.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Its what makes the Grand Slams different. 128 draws require stamina.

One could argue that playing the world's best without a day's break requires just as much, if not, more stamina. Look at Nadal in Madrid, for example.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:20 PM
No, it's much better to watch for example Nadal against a challenger, and count the number of points in the whole match that he actually loses. :worship:

The majors aren't only for the top guys, its a big event for qualifiers too. they gain a lot of points.

marcRD
05-28-2009, 03:22 PM
Tiriac does have 33 kids allegedly and some of them do have internet access.

:lol: Oh my....

Jimnik
05-28-2009, 03:26 PM
Or maybe the rest of the tour should adapt to Grand Slam format. Imagine every week a 128 player draw, best of five format and a place in history for every tournament winner. Tennis can't lose.

Arkulari
05-28-2009, 03:27 PM
since Sapeod didn't do it, it's my turn...

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5214/epicfaila.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epicfaila.jpg)

:lol:

Beat
05-28-2009, 03:27 PM
All you're really doing to the top players is waisting their time by making them go for several extra hours on the court. It's obvious these mental midgets won't do anything to them.

so you are talking about the top 4 players dominating. what if they're not anymore? then the GS format has to be changed again.?

such a silly thread, really.

finishingmove
05-28-2009, 03:28 PM
Or maybe the rest of the tour should adapt to Grand Slam format. Imagine every week a 128 player draw, best of five format and a place in history for every tournament winner. Tennis can't lose.

and the grandslams move onto another level

256 man draws, first round of singles is played in doubles and in the next round u play against your partner if u won.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:30 PM
USTA Junior National championships have 256 draws.

MacTheKnife
05-28-2009, 03:33 PM
Is this a joke ?? Let's just bring back the Pepsi Grand Slam and call it a day.

LocoPorElTenis
05-28-2009, 03:36 PM
Top contender for the ACC :yeah:

finishingmove
05-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Is this a joke ?? Let's just bring back the Pepsi Grand Slam and call it a day.

lets call it the Djokovic "Voda Voda" Slam.

GlennMirnyi
05-28-2009, 03:37 PM
:lol: What a retarded idea.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:42 PM
No, let's get back to watching the qualifiers get dominated and pushed around some more. It's so entertaining.:worship:

oranges
05-28-2009, 03:46 PM
So don't watch

finishingmove
05-28-2009, 03:46 PM
No, let's get back to watching the qualifiers get dominated and pushed around some more. It's so entertaining.:worship:

well u never know if the stars are aligned and it's a leap year, some guy could make a run... all the way to the semi or final, where he would lose.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:47 PM
so you are talking about the top 4 players dominating. what if they're not anymore? then the GS format has to be changed again.?

such a silly thread, really.

Eh? If they are not dominating anymore their rankings will show it. Look, in boxing, you don't put a world champion heavyweight against an 18 year old lightweight. In soccer, you don't have Barcelona starting 11 against a junior FC Spartak Moscow squad. You won't see the Lakers playing Wake Forest.

oranges
05-28-2009, 03:52 PM
Eh? If they are not dominating anymore their rankings will show it. Look, in boxing, you don't put a world champion heavyweight against an 18 year old lightweight. In soccer, you don't have Barcelona starting 11 against a junior FC Spartak Moscow squad. You won't see the Lakers playing Wake Forest.

It has been suggested already to watch another sport. It's not boxing.

1) Top 3-4 are not the only guys playing the first couple of rounds. Some matches are very interesting and competitive. 2) There's more to it than what's interesting to you, go back through posted stuff for a few ideas. 3) Quite obviously, basically everyone here disagrees, to say th least, so can we stop with the nonsense now.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 03:54 PM
This thread is exceeding my expectatives.

Your english is exceeding my expectativiesis.

Acer
05-28-2009, 04:13 PM
Congrats. You've missed the point of a GS.

Goldenoldie
05-28-2009, 04:16 PM
It's a serious suggestion requiring a serious answer.

The answer is NO!

Just recently the top players seem to have pulled away a bit from the rest of the field, but not so long ago you could guarantee that half the seeds would be knocked out before the end of the first week. Accidents happen, otherwise as a previous poster observed, why play at all?

There are nearly 2000 players ranked by the ATP, so somebody ranked #128 is no mug, and should have a chance of a big payday.

q.j.
05-28-2009, 04:21 PM
so Murray could actually have a shot at winning one ?

no, bad idea :)

Forehander
05-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Lets protest to ban this guy instead

Hugh Jaas
05-28-2009, 05:08 PM
Lets protest to ban this guy instead

Ban everyone we don't agree with? your trollish comment warrants a banning.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Ban everyone we don't agree with? your trollish comment warrants a banning.

Nope, he's right, this thread was the stupidest ever.

Hugh Jaas
05-28-2009, 05:28 PM
Nope, he's right, this thread was the stupidest ever.

Yeah ban stupid people,wait a minute we're not in 1939 adolf.

http://i39.tinypic.com/29p2hol.jpg

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 05:31 PM
It's a serious suggestion requiring a serious answer.

The answer is NO!

Just recently the top players seem to have pulled away a bit from the rest of the field, but not so long ago you could guarantee that half the seeds would be knocked out before the end of the first week. Accidents happen, otherwise as a previous poster observed, why play at all?

There are nearly 2000 players ranked by the ATP, so somebody ranked #128 is no mug, and should have a chance of a big payday.


Good post. A lot of people don't realize how good players in the upper hunderds are

Ilovetheblues_86
05-28-2009, 05:41 PM
Yeah ban stupid people,wait a minute we're not in 1939 adolf.

http://i39.tinypic.com/29p2hol.jpg

Then they come with Nazism. :rolleyes:
Don´t be such a crybaby. You really thought we were talking seriously? :lol: This is called figurative speech, my friend. :)

JediFed
05-28-2009, 06:16 PM
The masters should go back to 5 set finals.

ExcaliburII
05-28-2009, 06:21 PM
Make a 512 draw please.

Quadruple Tree
05-28-2009, 07:00 PM
Have less seeded players. This will mean better matchups in the earlier rounds.

dzoni
05-28-2009, 07:35 PM
The latest update from the jobber squad; S. Stakhovsky blows break points at 3-0 against Djokovic in the second set. He then went on to blow a 4-1 lead, and drop the set by losing 5 games in a row. But hey, this really is the whole point of the GS and the game of tennis, it's things like these that true fans can only understand. How sorry I am that I find constant humiliation of qualifiers too repetative and useless. ;)

P.S. Thank you to those who actually engaged in a normal conversation with constructive arguments.

kiwi10is
05-28-2009, 07:43 PM
5 sets make Grand Slams special. Most of the best tennismatches in history are 5 setters in Grand Slams. Nothing is better than a 4 hour fight...

oranges
05-28-2009, 07:58 PM
P.S. Thank you to those who actually engaged in a normal conversation with constructive arguments.

Yet, you don't respond to any of them, you just keep repeating your one and only point like a parrot, that being that you find the first few rounds boring and top players shouldn't be made to play them, presumably because you find it boring.

Har-Tru
05-28-2009, 08:08 PM
5 sets make Grand Slams special. Most of the best tennismatches in history are 5 setters in Grand Slams. Nothing is better than a 4 hour fight...

Like the Nadal-Djokovic semifinal in Madrid? ;) Mach' nur Spaß.

Action Jackson
05-28-2009, 08:19 PM
ezekiel is back in the house.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-28-2009, 08:23 PM
The latest update from the jobber squad; S. Stakhovsky blows break points at 3-0 against Djokovic in the second set. He then went on to blow a 4-1 lead, and drop the set by losing 5 games in a row. But hey, this really is the whole point of the GS and the game of tennis, it's things like these that true fans can only understand. How sorry I am that I find constant humiliation of qualifiers too repetative and useless. ;)

P.S. Thank you to those who actually engaged in a normal conversation with constructive arguments.

Oh, how kind you are to spare Stakhovskiy from this "humilliation". Maybe he wants to win the 25,000 euros prizes that he is winning by reaching second round and you not. ;)

Commander Data
05-28-2009, 08:38 PM
NO

Beforehand
05-28-2009, 09:01 PM
The latest update from the jobber squad; S. Stakhovsky blows break points at 3-0 against Djokovic in the second set. He then went on to blow a 4-1 lead, and drop the set by losing 5 games in a row. But hey, this really is the whole point of the GS and the game of tennis, it's things like these that true fans can only understand. How sorry I am that I find constant humiliation of qualifiers too repetative and useless. ;)

P.S. Thank you to those who actually engaged in a normal conversation with constructive arguments.

:shrug: Stakhovsky won a match already, though, so I don't think a second round is that bad - he doesn't have experience - the only way he can get it is to have some shit like this.

Also, I mean...clearly not everyone is getting embarrassed. This year has already been a bit of fun with Josselin Ouanna, for example - just because he won't get to the quarters or semifinals doesn't mean it hasn't been entertaining or worthwhile, or a that it is a waste.

miura
05-28-2009, 09:03 PM
Worst idea ever..

Farenhajt
05-28-2009, 09:40 PM
With television becoming the ultimate life-and-mind-shaping force all over the world, the future of tennis will depend on the desirable TV formats. And for increased variety and commercial time, in the Stage One we'll see 256 draw in best-of-1 matches, and in the Stage Two we'll have 512 draw in best-of-1-tiebreak-game format. Doubles matches will evolve into best-of-one-deciding-point format.

fast_clay
05-28-2009, 09:49 PM
what a d!ckhead

Andi-M
05-28-2009, 10:30 PM
How might one move up in the rankings if only the top 8 players ae allowed in every big points tournament.

Early rounds of GS can create shocks and produce some intersting matches. Seriously how long have you been watching the sport...

Kip
05-28-2009, 10:50 PM
:rolleyes:

Disregard all the years of hard work and sacrifice because you deem early rounds a waste of time? Yeah, I don't think so.

KarlyM
05-29-2009, 02:25 AM
HELL NO!!!

If Grand Slams adapt the Masters series format, then they are not Grand Slams at all - just 4 more Masters events. :p

The first week of Grand Slams are the best -- tons of matches all at once and the potential of seeded players being knocked out by much lesser-ranked opponents.

No dark horses or cinderella stories if you cut the first few rounds.

No early round 5-set thrillers no one expected between a big name and an unknown, and the big name turns into the "mental midget."

That's part of what makes slams exciting and why they are so difficult to win - surviving to the end. ;)

The top players should be able to handle a few "extra hours on the court" if they're fit and prepared --> if not, then they don't deserve to win that GS.

Sunset of Age
05-29-2009, 02:26 AM
To the OP:

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Ilovetheblues_86
05-29-2009, 02:30 AM
This troll looks like an orc.
trolls are small creatures, boring ones, that try to tik tik tik everything and make Big mess. Like rats, like crazy monkeys.

If you feed them they are always regenerating.

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Sunset of Age
05-29-2009, 02:32 AM
This troll looks like an orc.

It surely does. :)

Ilovetheblues_86
05-29-2009, 03:02 AM
MTF should ban all users who post this kind of thing.

Got scared with your own picture?

vamosinator
05-29-2009, 03:08 AM
Got scared with your own picture?

This is another good example of the kind of poster that should be banned; just focus on the tennis or go to a chat thread if this is all you have to offer.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-29-2009, 04:47 AM
This is another good example of the kind of poster that should be banned; just focus on the tennis or go to a chat thread if this is all you have to offer.

:topic:

Bargearse
05-29-2009, 07:25 AM
It's a serious suggestion requiring a serious answer.

The answer is NO!

Just recently the top players seem to have pulled away a bit from the rest of the field, but not so long ago you could guarantee that half the seeds would be knocked out before the end of the first week. Accidents happen, otherwise as a previous poster observed, why play at all?

There are nearly 2000 players ranked by the ATP, so somebody ranked #128 is no mug, and should have a chance of a big payday.

I agree. There are some great players in the top 128 who need the experience of playing on the big stage against the top players and many have the ability to produce an upset. Also, there are some former top players whose rankings have dropped who would miss out. For example, on the women's side, if a master's type format was adopted for Grand Slams, Sharapova wouldn't have been able to play. Now, I'm not a fan of her or anything, I can't stand her screeching, but I appreciate she's one of the best and as such should definitely be competing.

I think Grand Slams are fine the way they are.

Erica86
05-29-2009, 07:39 AM
I like the seven rounds in GS.

Renaud
05-29-2009, 08:26 AM
Seriously, what's the point of playing all these extra rounds? All you're really doing to the top players is waisting their time by making them go for several extra hours on the court. It's obvious these mental midgets won't do anything to them. What we saw today I wouldn't even call "choking", you're giving them far too much credit by using that word. It's merely become expected for things to unfold the way they have, as they did in the Fed and Murray matches, for example. These men don't belong at this level, really. It's not a knock on them, everyone has their limits, and there is a reason why we don't see them at the MS events. .
If you have never seen Starace and Acasuso at MS events, then you are a true tennis fan :worship:

Mateya
05-29-2009, 02:06 PM
Simply :retard: Acasuso, and every player out of top 5 is a clown or mug.

In contrary, I wouldn't mind having a 256 draw, with even challenger and some futures players having an opportunity for their 5 minutes of glory. But that would be physicaly just too much, I know. :)

dorkgirl
05-29-2009, 02:59 PM
since Sapeod didn't do it, it's my turn...

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5214/epicfaila.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epicfaila.jpg)

:lol:

This. There is little else to say to this thread but this.

dzoni
05-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Just keep the insults coming, I'm actually enjoying them...:D

Fact is prior to any GS the great majority of you would pick the winner to be one of the players from the "big" 4. Or, one big plus mini 3, or 2 big, and 2 mini, whichever definition suits certain fans best. :lol: The remanining votes would go to players close to this rank. If people want to watch qualifiers play, then turn to the Zagreb challenger and enjoy the Stakhovsky-Ouanna match-up.

out_here_grindin
05-29-2009, 03:28 PM
Yeah okay I will because not all tennis is a grand slam final.

Masters series formats are ood for their purpose and Grand slams are good for theirs.

LoveFifteen
05-29-2009, 04:04 PM
Go follow another sport.

:worship:

BackhandMissile
05-29-2009, 05:16 PM
What! No Guga?

Get outta here.

LinkMage
05-29-2009, 06:04 PM
I may have to strart agreeing after seeing Starace, Acasuso and Tipsarevic unable to close out a set from 2 breaks up.

miura
05-29-2009, 08:20 PM
and now..

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Action Jackson
09-10-2009, 11:30 AM
Yes, if they do this, then Murray would win one.

KolyaLegend
09-10-2009, 12:07 PM
Yes, if they do this, then Murray would win one.

:worship:

n8
09-10-2009, 12:39 PM
Seriously, what's the point of playing all these extra rounds? All you're really doing to the top players is waisting their time by making them go for several extra hours on the court. It's obvious these mental midgets won't do anything to them. What we saw today I wouldn't even call "choking", you're giving them far too much credit by using that word. It's merely become expected for things to unfold the way they have, as they did in the Fed and Murray matches, for example. These men don't belong at this level, really. It's not a knock on them, everyone has their limits, and there is a reason why we don't see them at the MS events. Give the top seeds byes in the first round, invite only the top players, and keep it best of 5 of course. Tournament would be shorter, of much higher quality, and most importantly, competative. Seems simple enough.

Grand Slam are big, seven round events for several reasons including but not limited to:

- Spectators enjoyment. More matches means more chances to see top players.

- Two week event set them appart from other tournaments (I am aware that Indian Wells/Miami are longer events too).

- Give more players (that is, lower ranked players) a chance to play on the biggest stage.

- Test of endurance for top competitors.

- Not all players play to win the whole tournament. A 2nd/3rd round effort can be a huge career boost for some players.

buddyholly
09-10-2009, 01:10 PM
When I was a young man the Wimbledon champion defended his title by playing one match against whoever came through the playoffs. They should revert to that. We could all get out more in the few days of summer remaining.