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RG R2: Ouanna def. Safin 7-6(2) 7-6(3) 4-6 3-6 10-8

EnriqueIG8
05-27-2009, 07:52 PM
Guess 111 winners wasn't enough for Marat.
+ 4 1/2 hours of very entertaining match, but disgusting crowd...
Ouanna hit some very sweet forehands during the match though :cool:

Gotta love the kiss on the netcord from Safin at 6:7 15-30 in the fifth.

scarecrows
05-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Safin cant win a match from a winning position to save his life

Getta
05-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Josselin :yeah:

shotgun
05-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Painful to watch.

federernadalfan
05-27-2009, 07:53 PM
tight match but result was expected

q.j.
05-27-2009, 07:53 PM
jesus, Marat....:mad:

Dini
05-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Allez! :rocker2:

I like Safin and all, but there is nothing that beats a fairytale story. :hearts:

Marat :hug:

jonas
05-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Ugly

Smoke944
05-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Good comeback by Safin, but all the same he played a shit game to lose a break in the 5th. Impressive desire and play to save 3 MPs but eventually Marat's luck ran out. Real shame but Safin has nobody to blame but himself.

rafa_maniac
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
:tears:

habibko
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
this new version of Blake is pretty good, at least he knows how to play on clay, entertaining final set, but Safin should have never lost the first two sets and get the crowd involved, oh well, last RG for Safin :sad:

scoobs
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Great entertainment, expected result.

Tess Gray
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Josselin!!! :D:worship::banana:

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 07:55 PM
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip::worship::worship:


Wonderful match! it was not tight, they were smacking winners in the 5th set. That backhand pass at 7-6 for Ouanna was insane.

:worship::worship:

Mashachosen1
05-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Oh my :sobbing:

BelgianWaffle
05-27-2009, 07:56 PM
:awww: :crying2:

But great match from Ouanna :yeah:

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Great, entertaining match! :yeah:
Ouanna :hatoff:, Marat :sad: :hug:

The only bad thing about this match... the DISGUSTING CROWD. :mad:

kooties
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
Crowd was appaling, strange though most french people I meet are quite pleasant people.

Also damnit Marat, missed a LOT of easy forehands, but made some spectacular ones as well.

Bye Marat, you'll be missed.

HeretiC
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
What a crazy match.:eek:

Sinerra
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
What a great match! :D
Good comeback from Marat but unfortunatly wasnt enough...

The crowd was awfull as usual, shouting while Safin was serving or about to smash

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
A Frenchie closing out a match, very entertaining and great for Ouanna, his best mate Monfils cheering him on, along the president of the FFT and the parents.

Ciarán.
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
:bowdown:

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 07:57 PM
this new version of Blake is pretty good, at least he knows how to play on clay, entertaining final set, but Safin should have never lost the first two sets and get the crowd involved, oh well, last RG for Safin :sad:


Different thatn Blake. Ouanna had nerves of steel

the graduate
05-27-2009, 07:58 PM
what a thriller in Paris,arguably one of the best matches so far 4h30mins of thrills and spills
Rock on Josse!!!

Laba
05-27-2009, 07:58 PM
Fucking... gutted...

Was great to see Safin pumping himself there at the end there, such a shame he couldn't pull through after that great comeback.

:(

case
05-27-2009, 07:58 PM
what a match!

i thought the crowd was okay...

docking34
05-27-2009, 07:58 PM
wow awesome match. LOVE THIS OUANNA DUDE.

Stephie Cesc
05-27-2009, 07:59 PM
what a match :worship::worship:

ClaudiuS
05-27-2009, 07:59 PM
:lol:

Now Gonzo will wipe the floor with Ouanna...big time!

TheBoiledEgg
05-27-2009, 08:01 PM
cant even beat pub players now :help: :(

Tsongation
05-27-2009, 08:01 PM
this new version of Blake is pretty good, at least he knows how to play on clay, entertaining final set, but Safin should have never lost the first two sets and get the crowd involved, oh well, last RG for Safin :sad:

:lol: You know good & well that Blake would never have won this match :lol:

lamnathalie
05-27-2009, 08:01 PM
An absolute thriller!:eek:

Mint Chip
05-27-2009, 08:01 PM
Marat played well after 6-6 than had to lose to a wildcard. Maybe Safin can play next year hopefully to erase this embaressing defeat

Sapeod
05-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Josselin :rocker2:
Get the fuck in there.

Safin :lol: Retire already :lol:

cant even beat pub players now :help: :(

I know, Safin sucks cock.

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 08:03 PM
Ouanna became one of my favorite players during this match.

Snoo Foo
05-27-2009, 08:06 PM
new version of Blake

cuz blake is so well-known for his patience & persistence in going the distance in 5 setters & not getting down on himself when he blows a big lead, and especially for winning on clay :rocker2:

Puma!
05-27-2009, 08:06 PM
I wish Marat would just retire instead of constantly losing these kind of matches.. :sad: :sad: :sad:

Ouanna is really not that good from what I saw :tape:

Another winning position wasted, he should take some tips off his sister on how to win tight matches! :rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
05-27-2009, 08:07 PM
Wow, Safin can't even beat rookies anymore. :lol:

Pathetic.

Can't say it isn't great to see.

Broomie
05-27-2009, 08:07 PM
Wasn't Marat a break up in every single set, but still lost that match??!!
It was great though to see fire in him after those two first set, I guess he really wanted to go on a better loss than what we were expecting (7/6 7/6 6/1).
Last match on Roland, I'm glad he got to play on Central Court. He must be disappointed because he had everything in his hand to win that match.

Josselin, please keep that level. It would be just disgusting to see you lose in a lousy fashion against gonzalez. So, good luck! (even though I think it is to be expected considering how tired he is going to be and how much five setters are new to him)

the graduate
05-27-2009, 08:08 PM
Ouanna deserves to be in top hundred he has a great game better than a lot of mugs in top 20.One thing that impressed me was his composure ,Safin was acting like a diva screaming,pouting and just being a fool but the young man didnt pay attention and focused on the match.
Ouanna you should be in top hundred and hopefully you take out Gonzo.

shotgun
05-27-2009, 08:08 PM
I can see the Ouanna bandwagon is gathering steam.

Johnny Groove
05-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Let's not get carried away with the Ouanna bandwagoning.

I like his game and ability to close it out, but he has many technical flaws that Safin was unable to expose. Josselin is a pretty smart player, giving Safin many different looks, from junk balls to screaming forehands.

Safin, though :tape:

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 08:11 PM
I can see the Ouanna bandwagon is gathering steam.

This is all relative, but he will get some fans.

As for the crowd, they always jeer anyone checking line calls, French or not, they weren't that bad.

FedFan_2007
05-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Maratsky :sad:

Byrd
05-27-2009, 08:12 PM
Safin shouldn't be losing to this clown who has no return of serve. Lost 2 bets in 2 days on guys losing in 5 sets, what a joke.

the graduate
05-27-2009, 08:12 PM
I can see the Ouanna bandwagon is gathering steam.why not he won over a former no.1....not too shabby.Its great to get support like that from your people ,one thing the french are great for is supporting their own unlike the americans.:p

Pfloyd
05-27-2009, 08:15 PM
Well you went down swinging, so that's nice to see.

Broomie
05-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Quick question: is this the first time Marat comes back from 2 sets to none to even things out?

oranges
05-27-2009, 08:18 PM
Heartbreaking, after fighting from two sets down :awww: Marat :hug:

jaana
05-27-2009, 08:18 PM
I guess Marat wanted to go and see Champs League final already, so tanked the last game :(

SerenaFederer
05-27-2009, 08:18 PM
good match...glad to see he didn't let the bad ace call or the bad misses get to him...should serve him well in the future

Roddickominator
05-27-2009, 08:21 PM
Marat was too weak on return late in the match from what I saw....had no chance in Ouanna's service games. It was nice seeing Marat staying composed and playing with positive emotion.

Ouanna looked like a decent player....he won't be able to run around and hit forehands all day on hardcourts though. I don't expect him to become a highly ranked player.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:22 PM
Let's not get carried away with the Ouanna bandwagoning.

It's deliciously ironic that you would masquerade as the paragon of moderation.

habibko
05-27-2009, 08:24 PM
cuz blake is so well-known for his patience & persistence in going the distance in 5 setters & not getting down on himself when he blows a big lead, and especially for winning on clay :rocker2:

I meant it more in terms of looks and single hander, but yeah he is very promising, let's hope he builds on this :yeah:

wei_yoshi
05-27-2009, 08:24 PM
Quick question: is this the first time Marat comes back from 2 sets to none to even things out?
From the commentator, Marat only had one time won come back from 2 sets in his career, the Davis Cup..
This guy only plays for his country, not himself..

GlennMirnyi
05-27-2009, 08:25 PM
Quick question: is this the first time Marat comes back from 2 sets to none to even things out?

Obviously not.

I think he defeated Berdych last year in DC coming down from 0-2.

luxsword
05-27-2009, 08:25 PM
:bigcry: :crying2: :awww:

Johnny Groove
05-27-2009, 08:25 PM
It's deliciously ironic that you would masquerade as the paragon of moderation.

I'm surprised you even watched this match between mere commoners, elitist as you are.

yarina
05-27-2009, 08:26 PM
Quick question: is this the first time Marat comes back from 2 sets to none to even things out?

No, it was not the first time: one that comes to comes to mind is AO 2008 2nd round against Baggy - he lost that in the fifth though (just like today :( ) ; he did come back for 2 sets to love down to win in 2008 in Davis Cup against Berdych.

StanisKing
05-27-2009, 08:28 PM
How low this Marat can go.
Leading 2:0 in sets and 5:0 and to lose again?

Guy Haines
05-27-2009, 08:29 PM
:D to Ouanna. He looks so much like a friend I hit with, even the old schoolish one-hander. His attitude on court is refreshing.

:clap2: to Marat, too. He was being so bratty early on (as he was in the first round too). But it was great to see him fight back. Safin has played two of the season's best clay matches, this one and the one in Monte Carlo against Lapentti.

Broomie
05-27-2009, 08:29 PM
From the commentator, Marat only had one time won come back from 2 sets in his career, the Davis Cup..
This guy only plays for his country, not himself..


Obviously not.

I think he defeated Berdych last year in DC coming down from 0-2.

Thanks. I was so surprised he didn't end the match right there after the second set. I started wondering if he's ever done that. :D

I'm not surprised it happened only once and for DC though.

MrChopin
05-27-2009, 08:30 PM
Safin loses 6/8 points from 8-8 0-30 after the crowd boos him for checking a mark. Thanks Frenchies, real classy booing a previous world #1 in his last match at your slam. I was hoping Safin wouldn't even acknowledge them at the end.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:33 PM
I meant it more in terms of looks and single hander
In terms of looks ? What do the two guys have in common other than skin color ? Ouanna is taller and slimmer than Blake, while also possessing top spin as part of his repertoire -- something of which Blake's game is devoid. In terms of their single handers, Ouanna passes exponentially better off that wing, although Blake's backhand has more juice on it. As for the facial features, where shall we start ? Nose, mouth, facial structure -- entirely different.

Then again, this all defies conventional, narrow-minded thinking: "Wow, two black guys who happen to both be tennis players, oh, and they both have one-handed backhands, by the way." Yes, they must be twins who were separated at birth.

habibko
05-27-2009, 08:33 PM
Safin loses 6/8 points from 8-8 0-30 after the crowd boos him for checking a mark. Thanks Frenchies, real classy booing a previous world #1 in his last match at your slam. I was hoping Safin wouldn't even acknowledge them at the end.

the crowd was mostly teenagers and kids, it's that kid's Wednesday, bad luck for Safin.

Broomie
05-27-2009, 08:34 PM
I was hoping Safin wouldn't even acknowledge them at the end.
He has to. Safin loves French people! :)
They're just like him: they do whatever they want to (I'm not saying it's good, it's just the way I see it).:p And to the crowd's defense, Marat sometimes create this situation for himself. He's seen much worse in his career IMO. I don't think he blames the crowd for this.

Arkulari
05-27-2009, 08:35 PM
this Ouanna is a fighter, I hope to see more of him later, at least it wasn't a WC waste like the others have been :o
Marat :sad: :help:

Broomie
05-27-2009, 08:36 PM
How low this Marat can go.
Leading 2:0 in sets and 5:0 and to lose again?

I'm not sure we watched the same match. Marat was never up two sets... Neither 5:0 :confused:

habibko
05-27-2009, 08:37 PM
In terms of looks ? What do the two guys have in common other than skin color ? Ouanna is taller and slimmer than Blake, while also possessing top spin as part of his repertoire -- something of which Blake's game is devoid. In terms of their single handers, Ouanna passes exponentially better off that wing, although Blake's backhand has more juice on it. As for the facial features, where shall we start ? Nose, mouth, facial structure -- entirely different.

Then again, this all defies conventional, narrow-minded thinking: "Wow, two black guys who happen to both be tennis players, oh, and they both have single-handed backhands, by the way." Yes, they must be twins who were separated at birth.

skin color, baldness and bandana, he reminded me of Blake, why the hell is that a problem for you PD? you need to chill man :silly:

Burrow
05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Marat was even grunting, he was moving so well as well, unlucky son.

timafi
05-27-2009, 08:39 PM
:bowdown:Josselin:bowdown:
to think that Josselin won back to back 5 set matches while Blake didn't do that til last year:tape:Ounna has shown more heart,courage;determination,fighting spirit than Blake will ever show in his career:yeah:
pretty boy Blake this is heart,this ain't mindless brainless ballbashing at it's finest that wins you matches:bowdown:go back to Harvard you arrogant;delusional;hard court specialist punk:mad:

Jo has more balls in him than Blake will ever have in his little finger:yeah:
to think that Ouanna plays his best on grass:devil:the LTA better give James"I excel on grass"Blake's place to him because with that opportunity I'm sure Jo would go further than the 3th round:tape::rolleyes:

MATCH of the Roland Garros 2009 edition for all that I care:yeah:

ImmzB
05-27-2009, 08:40 PM
Safin!!

Great Match

Dini
05-27-2009, 08:41 PM
He reminded me of Blake too. :shrug:

And that is not an insult, quite the contrary as Blake is a fine man. :drool:

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:46 PM
skin color, baldness and bandana, he reminded me of Blake, why the hell is that a problem for you PD? you need to chill man :silly:
Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that other than skin color, the two bare no resemblance whatsoever ? Following this sort of logic, one could conclude that any caucasian player wearing a bandana invariably resembles Roger. You're not the only perpetrator of such an offense; many other members of this forum are guilty of the same variety of parochialism.

Dini
05-27-2009, 08:48 PM
p_d, the bald head and the headband, not to mention the single hander and big forehand. They remind me of Blake, but of course he showed that he's not useless like Blakey the Flakey is.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:51 PM
He reminded me of Blake too. :shrug:

And that is not an insult, quite the contrary as Blake is a fine man. :drool:
In what way ? I'm only curious. The only physical trait that they share in common is the bald look, oh, and both are men of color.

Both players have big forehands, well, yes, that much is true.

dorkino
05-27-2009, 08:53 PM
Great match. High quality and big drama. Too bad one of them had to lose.
Ouanna deserves all respect for his performance, calmness and mental strength. If he'll be able to keep this level ,he can have good results. Hope to see more of him in this season. :yeah:

Safin played well and made a wonderful return. Too bad he couldn't finish it. We're gonna miss his talent. For his fans :hug: :hug:

Dini
05-27-2009, 08:53 PM
In what way ? I'm only curious. The only physical trait that they share in common is the bald look, oh, and both are men of color.

Both players have big forehands, well, yes, that much is true.

And the single handed backhand, plus that head band on a bald head.

How many more reasons do you need. 5 highlighted there. :p :shrug:

But the big dissimilarity is that Ounna could win this type of match, JB however would just ball-bash his way to defeat.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:54 PM
http://im.rediff.com/sports/2007/feb/06gillette.jpg

Ouanna heavily resembles the gentleman in the middle.

Dini
05-27-2009, 08:55 PM
I can't see Henry wearing a head band, or playing with a single handed backhand, nor does he have a big forehand. :shrug:

Edit: why do you feel so offended? I agree comparing a good player to Blake can cause a stir as the man is useless, but overall, there are a few things that remind me of him.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 08:56 PM
And the single handed backhand, plus that head band on a bald head.

How many more reasons do you need. 5 highlighted there. :p :shrug:

But the big dissimilarity is that Ounna could win this type of match, JB however would just ball-bash his way to defeat.
So any bald, player of color wearing a bandana resembles Blake ? Impeccable logic.

ossie
05-27-2009, 08:59 PM
safin you clown :haha:

Dini
05-27-2009, 08:59 PM
So any bald, player of color wearing a bandana resembles Blake ? Impeccable logic.

Yeah, pretty much. Headband on bald head is trademark Blake. That's what we've been used to the past few years.

ETA: it's not as much resemblance as it is "this guy reminds me of..."

Becool
05-27-2009, 08:59 PM
GO JOSSELIN!!

Too bad this is Safin's last RG.. but gotta love some french chocolate meat

dorkino
05-27-2009, 09:01 PM
Great match and big drama. too bad one of them had to lose. Ouanna deserves all respect for his performance, calmness and mental strength. If he 'll be able to keep this admirable level , he can have some very good results and may be "surprises". Hope to see more of him this season. :yeah:

Safin played well too and was able to make a wonderful return.Too bad he couldn't finish it. :hug: :hug: for his fans and his talent is sure gonna be missed.

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 09:03 PM
p_d, the bald head and the headband, not to mention the single hander and big forehand. They remind me of Blake, but of course he showed that he's not useless like Blakey the Flakey is.

So does this mean that Ouanna looks like Julio Silva, who happens to black, bald, plays tennis and sometimes wears a headband.

homogenius
05-27-2009, 09:16 PM
Great match.Ouanna played so well :worship:
Marat fought well for his last match at RG but Ouanna was just too good.He left the court in a hurry.Kinda cold "goodbye" to the frenchies (very different from Kuerten last year).:sad:

And the crowd wasn't "disgusting".It was kids day, they were excited to see a frenchie doing well, and when people booed Marat it was mostly cause he was acting like a douchebag at times.

oranges
05-27-2009, 09:18 PM
I would say the same thing of Ljubicic if he started wearing a head band.

Oh God, please no. One bald man with a headband is too much.

Dini
05-27-2009, 09:19 PM
Oh God, please no. One bald man with a headband is too much.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dini
05-27-2009, 09:21 PM
So does this mean that Ouanna looks like Julio Silva, who happens to black, bald, plays tennis and sometimes wears a headband.

He doesn't look like, he (his style) reminds me of Blake. There is a difference. Does Julio Silva also have a big forehand and a single hander?

seulCONTREtous
05-27-2009, 09:22 PM
So does this mean that Ouanna looks like Julio Silva, who happens to black, bald, plays tennis and sometimes wears a headband.

Ouanna is taller. Silva is a midget :)

prima donna
05-27-2009, 09:29 PM
So what's wrong with comparing him to Blake then? People with big forehands are usually compared to other players. How are you so sure that Habib's comment was being parochial? Isn't that a pretty big accusation to make?
It's not a matter of whether or not his comment is to be judged as parochial, rather it's the type of mentality that such a comment unveils. For example, those who encounter people of color with regularity are less likely to make the determination that player A resembles player B, simply because they share the same skin color; on the other hand, those who have limited exposure to such individuals are more likely to instinctively categorize player A and player B as one and the same.

Parochialism and racism are different concepts, although one can ultimately lead to the other.

Guy Haines
05-27-2009, 09:33 PM
To me, Ouanna doesn't look or act like Blake. :shrug:

I'm not sure what player he reminds me of. His forehand is very contemporary and his backhand more classic.

Fiberlight1
05-27-2009, 09:34 PM
Oh God, please no. One bald man with a headband is too much.

Can you imagine Andre with a headband :haha:

Voo de Mar
05-27-2009, 09:35 PM
Unreal how many tight matches Safin lost this year :sad: When he saved first MP at 4:5 I thought he would finally turn around bad luck :o On the other hand amazing win for Ouanna who looked poorly in the 4th set.

2moretogo
05-27-2009, 09:36 PM
Safin cant win a match from a winning position to save his life

:sad:

Cloudygirl
05-27-2009, 09:37 PM
Can you imagine Andre with a headband :haha:

I reckon Davy would look awesome with a headband

denibas77
05-27-2009, 09:41 PM
From 7 pages 5 does he looks like Blake ,unbelievable.
Great match, this year Safin is involved in some very good matches but allways on the losing side
congrat.Barcelona

HeretiC
05-27-2009, 09:41 PM
My daughter asked me if that was Blake. I wonder why? She must be parochialist and racist.:mad:

Fgs pd, dark colored bald guy tennis player wearing a bandana. What is your first association?

GlennMirnyi
05-27-2009, 09:45 PM
Thanks. I was so surprised he didn't end the match right there after the second set. I started wondering if he's ever done that. :D

I'm not surprised it happened only once and for DC though.

It's even less surprising that it happened against Berdych.

mangoes
05-27-2009, 09:47 PM
Good golly, is it really necessary to turn this thread onto the subject of Race:rolleyes: There's no need to take InfinityFed's statement to this level....

mangoes
05-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Very entertaining match. Congrats to Ouanna:D Very sad to see Safin depart RG:hug:

prima donna
05-27-2009, 09:50 PM
My daughter asked me if that was Blake. I wonder why? She must be parochialist and racist.:mad:

Fgs pd, dark colored bald guy tennis player wearing a bandana. What is your first association?
You're conflating parochialism with racism, which makes a serious discussion impossible until you're willing to draw a distinction between the two concepts. Although on a serious note, our brains aren't color blind, which isn't the same thing as being racist.

HeretiC
05-27-2009, 09:57 PM
You want serious discussion after attacking every single poster who said that there are some Ouanna resemblance to Blake, bringing parochialism and racism into it? Get a grip.
I asked you a question before: Dark colored bald guy tennis player wearing a bandana. What is your first association?

Dini
05-27-2009, 09:59 PM
My daughter asked me if that was Blake. I wonder why? She must be parochialist and racist.:mad:

Fgs pd, dark colored bald guy tennis player wearing a bandana. What is your first association?

Glad I wasn't alone. :unsure:

Chiseller
05-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Well done mugafin.
Btw. what was the Madrid crowd doing in Paris?

prima donna
05-27-2009, 10:10 PM
You want serious discussion after attacking every single poster who said that there are some Ouanna resemblance to Blake, bringing parochialism and racism into it? Get a grip.
I asked you a question before: Dark colored bald guy tennis player wearing a bandana. What is your first association?
Well, my first association would be that he isn't as dark as you'd like to have us believe, something which I would base on empirical experience with both lighter and darker shades of colored people. Secondly, I'd just see a human being playing tennis. That's all. I watched the entire fifth set of this match without having James Blake come to mind on a single occasion.

With respect to your baseless claim that I'm "attacking every single poster", not so. I merely made an observation. I don't attack people, it's not part of my nature. Lastly, I'd like to disabuse you of this notion that any discussion relating to race implicitly suggests that racism is involved. Not so. How is it in any way racist to state that any bald player wearing a headband resembles James Blake ? Parochial, narrow-minded, or maybe even careless, sure.

Let's see, I was born in Milan, lived in New York for several years, and I'm currently residing in Connecticut, perhaps this has something to do with my views. It's not as if I've spent my entire life in a village in which the mere sight of a person of color is jaw-dropping.

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
05-27-2009, 10:11 PM
What a thriller. I watched the match on tv, in the decisive OUANNA HAD MP and the ball was OUT… Ouanna was the winner by 6-4… the cameraman showed the ball, clearly OUT and Ouanna winner of the match. The umpire was wrong. TV journalists : « we need the hawk-eye at Roland-Garros too. »

Corey Feldman
05-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Marat's FH is a mess when he starts choking :o what a shame he's become this player

Certinfy
05-27-2009, 10:14 PM
When i saw him, my 1st thought was Blake aswell.

*snowflake*
05-27-2009, 10:15 PM
Cheering for Safin is a form of sadism...win or lose, either way it hurts...


Now, i feel guilty for thinking Marat can lose if Barça wins the Championship League, and right about that time Barça scored and Marat lost :awww: But... ¡Visca Barça!

Dini
05-27-2009, 10:20 PM
pd bottom line is a lot of people who see a bald tennis player, wearing a head band, playing with a single handed backhand, has a big forehand, has about the same figure and skin colour of Blake is reminded of him. What are you going to do about that? It's human nature to associate people with other people. :shrug: Dimitrov and Gasquet are compared to Fed. I didn't see a fuss created.

Accusations of parochialism are out of line in this case in my opinion, and quite frankly is offending.

prima donna
05-27-2009, 10:25 PM
Accusations of parochialism is out of line in this case in my opinion, and quite frankly is offending.
I don't mind ruffling a few feathers.

Arkulari
05-27-2009, 10:26 PM
well, the Paris crowd isn't really known for their "politeness" :rolleyes:
same thing happens on the BNP Paribas Masters every single year :o

Dini
05-27-2009, 10:30 PM
I don't mind ruffling a few feathers.

Just what I thought. Thanks for confirming. :hatoff:

HeretiC
05-27-2009, 10:41 PM
Well, my first association would be that he isn't as dark as you'd like to have us believe, something which I would base on empirical experience with both lighter and darker shades of colored people. Secondly, I'd just see a human being playing tennis. That's all. I watched the entire fifth set of this match without having James Blake come to mind on a single occasion.

With respect to your baseless claim that I'm "attacking every single poster", not so. I merely made an observation. I don't attack people, it's not part of my nature. Lastly, I'd like to disabuse you of this notion that any discussion relating to race implicitly suggests that racism is involved. Not so. How is it in any way racist to state that any bald player wearing a headband resembles James Blake ? Parochial, narrow-minded, or maybe even careless, sure.

Let's see, I was born in Milan, lived in New York for several years, and I'm currently residing in Connecticut, perhaps this has something to do with my views. It's not as if I've spent my entire life in a village in which the mere sight of a person of color is jaw-dropping.

Nope, other posters stated an observation about the resemblance with Blake, you were the one trying to rip their heads off over and over again. Calling a person a parochial and narrow minded because they know only one famous dark colored bald tennis player who wears a bandana. :haha: I guess you living in Milan and New York gave you a chance to meet tons of famous dark colored bald tennis players who wears a bandana. I am not even going to comment on your statement about defining people being narrow-minded or open-minded strickly by the place of living, it is narrow-minded by itself, or the statement that if someone says: dark colored bald tennis player wearing a bandana, James Blake won't even cross in your thoughts. You were completely out of line attacking posters about this issue. Have a nice night.:wavey:

Voo de Mar
05-27-2009, 10:47 PM
Safin lost in similar fashion to Mirnyi in Davis Cup 2004: 6-7 6-7 6-1 6-4 9-11.

the graduate
05-27-2009, 10:49 PM
Marat was too weak on return late in the match from what I saw....had no chance in Ouanna's service games. It was nice seeing Marat staying composed and playing with positive emotion.

Ouanna looked like a decent player....he won't be able to run around and hit forehands all day on hardcourts though. I don't expect him to become a highly ranked player.thats what a lot of you said about Tsonga that he wont amount to much but look at him now he is in the top ten including Monfils.If he gets to top 100 he will getting into bigger events easily and will go up the rankings I am sure his buddies Monfils and Tsonga want him to do well too and then the will be the true THREE MUSKETEERS shutting out the dope fiend Gasgay.
Ouanna looks more like Thierry Henri than James Blake,he showed character today in that fifth set.He will take out Gonzo thats a given,if he reaches fourth rd he wil be in the top hundred for sure.
On the other hand I will definitely miss Safin when he retires,he is very entertaining.I wish it was Davydenko retiring or Roddick.:p

Steelq
05-27-2009, 10:53 PM
Eh Marat, you are becoming too predictable,hope you will turn things around a little bit and end an great carrier in style.

roberthenman
05-27-2009, 10:57 PM
Marat :wavey:

Sheepy
05-27-2009, 11:09 PM
Gutting loss; Marat was a break ahead so many times! Nice to see him visibly care about the match though, just too little too late. Good luck to Ouanna in the next round, even if it is against Gonzo.

CyBorg
05-27-2009, 11:11 PM
The crowd were imbeciles.

nastoff
05-27-2009, 11:25 PM
Man I'm gonna miss Safin NOT

iSzavay.
05-27-2009, 11:25 PM
Oh this is really sad :sobbing: Marat finally played and fought really well and he still lost :sad:.

miura
05-27-2009, 11:36 PM
Safin choked this match away as usual

Certinfy
05-27-2009, 11:40 PM
The only real difference between Blake and Quanna is that Quanna can actually win a 5th set.

tangerine_dream
05-28-2009, 12:11 AM
Booing Safin in his last appearance at Roland Garros. Stay classy, French crowd. :yeah:

Voo de Mar
05-28-2009, 12:14 AM
The only real difference between Blake and Quanna is that Quanna can actually win a 5th set.

I'd have written "Is Ouanna the new Blake?", but I didn't because the Frenchman won this match, Blake had so many problems to win even first 5-setter, he can only dream about such a 5-setter with 3 tight winning sets, it's something not many players can say about their 5-set records :o

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 12:17 AM
This was the 1st match this year at the FO that had me on the edge of my seat.

Basic Boy
05-28-2009, 12:18 AM
Safin is great entertainer, we will miss you. Character he was, not some fuukin puppet. I lovew his tennis, best backhand ever...

Bilbo
05-28-2009, 12:29 AM
even my grandmother in a one angular formed wheeled and non-conformed wheelchair could have beaten Safin today

asmazif
05-28-2009, 12:57 AM
ahhhhhhhhhh

fast_clay
05-28-2009, 01:02 AM
I'd have written "Is Ouanna the new Blake?", but I didn't because the Frenchman won this match, Blake had so many problems to win even first 5-setter, he can only dream about such a 5-setter with 3 tight winning sets, it's something not many players can say about their 5-set records :o

hahaha

ChinoRios4Ever
05-28-2009, 01:08 AM
What a sadly way to end a great carrer, hey Safin? :sad:

rocketassist
05-28-2009, 01:31 AM
At least Safin is finally getting booed for once for his antics instead of the old 'it's Marat, he's sexy doing it, we'll let him off'

Jimnik
05-28-2009, 01:45 AM
Every Safin loss this year seems to get more and more depressing. He's just incapable of winning tight matches these days.

It use to be frustrating but now it's just so fucking depressing.

But still, he's a much more interesting player to watch than 99% of the tour so I hope he keeps playing. And I'll never get tired of that beauty of a two-hander.

Guy Haines
05-28-2009, 01:47 AM
I'd have written "Is Ouanna the new Blake?", but I didn't because the Frenchman won this match, Blake had so many problems to win even first 5-setter, he can only dream about such a 5-setter with 3 tight winning sets, it's something not many players can say about their 5-set records :o

Until Ouanna says the French players don't really care about the US Open, I don't see the resemblance.

Anyway, what a match! Of course I want Safin to win some of these epics he's played this year, but it's not like he was a contender for the title. My hat's still off to the charismatic jerk for playing a couple of this year's most exciting matches.

CooCooCachoo
05-28-2009, 01:59 AM
Great news :banana: Great boost for Ouanna, to reach the 3R here and even if Safin hasn't exactly been stellar, for a young guy like Josselin to beat him is still a major thing. Awesome fight too.

sawan66278
05-28-2009, 02:07 AM
The only player I've seen end his career with more devastating losses was Coria. Marat is writing an entire series of books on how to lose matches...and today, he even played well.

Kudos to Ouanna...after losing the match points, he hung in and pulled out the match. Gutsy.

French fans...classless and clueless as usual.

rocketassist
05-28-2009, 02:12 AM
Why were they classless and clueless? Because they had the nerve to boo Safin and not cater to the 'it's Marat so it's ok' rule? :confused:

LinkMage
05-28-2009, 04:29 AM
It is a fact that the RG crowd is the most disgusting crowd in tennis followed by the US Open crowd.

GlennMirnyi
05-28-2009, 05:03 AM
Safin lost in similar fashion to Mirnyi in Davis Cup 2004: 6-7 6-7 6-1 6-4 9-11.

In Belarus' taraflex indoor court. Awesome stuff. One of Max's biggest career wins, Safin had just won the AO.

Max was awesome indoors at the time.

leng jai
05-28-2009, 05:04 AM
In Belarus' taraflex indoor court. Awesome stuff. One of Max's biggest career wins, Safin had just won the AO.

Max was awesome indoors at the time.

Max is and was a clown :)

roberthenman
05-28-2009, 05:32 AM
Poor Marat :mad:

Renaud
05-28-2009, 05:41 AM
to think that Ouanna plays his best on grass:devil:the LTA better give James"I excel on grass"Blake's place to him because with that opportunity I'm sure Jo would go further than the 3th round:tape::rolleyes:


He has played one match on grass since he turned pro and lost it against Bang-Bang Qureshi. He won't even try to play Wimbly qualies this year.

DanaKz
05-28-2009, 06:13 AM
Hm, I really hope this Ouanna's play was not just a one-time boom (like Muller on USO-08) hope to see him on big events playing well.
And, oh yeah, France really need the player with his nerves and confidence in DC squad. Another question - does he really have a class for it?

DanaKz
05-28-2009, 06:21 AM
About Blake-lookalike - come on, he's definetely not Blake: Blake's eyes are eyes of martyr, Saint Lawrence on gridiron.
Ouanna's looks don't remind me Raphael's paintings.

Forehander
05-28-2009, 06:23 AM
so painful to watch... :(

stroopery
05-28-2009, 06:53 AM
jsut catching up with the last two and a half sets of this match and tbh i found it very entertaining. i thought marat would lost it in straight after he lost out that second set - well done to him for rallying himself up and taking the next two sets.

sad he couldn't win and has to bow out this early from his last RG, but eh well, at least it was an entertaining one. 4.5 hours, many fantastic winners from both players, good entertainment, well done.

Månu
05-28-2009, 07:31 AM
It is a fact that the RG crowd is the most disgusting crowd in tennis followed by the US Open crowd.

Bullshit, hear the players talk about the French crowd... they are tennis fans, tennis is the second sport in France so of course they are more passionate than most of the others.

And yesterday was kids day, players know on wednesday they will have more cheers and boos because kids are loud. Don't you think it's better than rich expats in Dubai?

Puschkin
05-28-2009, 07:36 AM
Ouanna exploited Marat's weaker movement to the forehand side well. And he kept his composure. Apart from that, most of the more exciting points came from Marat, though. Sad, that it wasn't enough.

As for the crowd - I am not sure what players prefer: an athmosphere, though biased on the home player or (half) empty stands? My feeling is Marat would go for the first.;)

pica_pica
05-28-2009, 07:38 AM
Crazy match

Venle
05-28-2009, 08:02 AM
This was a good match. Great comeback from Marat at 0-2 deficit. Ouanna kept his nerve in the fifth and played some great shots. Nice to see him finally making some result. :)

I was going for Marat though. :(

fashion
05-28-2009, 09:01 AM
Safin:sad:

Auscon
05-28-2009, 12:39 PM
Well, my first association would be that he isn't as dark as you'd like to have us believe, something which I would base on empirical experience with both lighter and darker shades of colored people. Secondly, I'd just see a human being playing tennis. That's all. I watched the entire fifth set of this match without having James Blake come to mind on a single occasion.

With respect to your baseless claim that I'm "attacking every single poster", not so. I merely made an observation. I don't attack people, it's not part of my nature. Lastly, I'd like to disabuse you of this notion that any discussion relating to race implicitly suggests that racism is involved. Not so. How is it in any way racist to state that any bald player wearing a headband resembles James Blake ? Parochial, narrow-minded, or maybe even careless, sure.

Let's see, I was born in Milan, lived in New York for several years, and I'm currently residing in Connecticut, perhaps this has something to do with my views. It's not as if I've spent my entire life in a village in which the mere sight of a person of color is jaw-dropping.


clown

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 12:45 PM
Let's see, I was born in Milan, lived in New York for several years, and I'm currently residing in Connecticut, perhaps this has something to do with my views. It's not as if I've spent my entire life in a village in which the mere sight of a person of color is jaw-dropping.

While I agree with your overall argument I have to disagree with your reason.

Right, so being from New England, new york. That alone makes you high class society and you are the most open minded. All New Yorkers and Milanos are smarter, more accepting than anyone else.

Burrow
05-28-2009, 01:35 PM
If Ouanna was white, nobody would make comparison to Blake.

Saying that, I found his forehand similar to Monfils, quite clearly, he has a loopy backswing with a loose looking wrist, it's a big shot.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 01:45 PM
One of the TTC announcers aid his forehand was similiar to Tsonga's.

oranges
05-28-2009, 01:49 PM
One of the TTC announcers aid his forehand was similiar to Tsonga's.

:confused: Was he high on something?

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 01:51 PM
:confused: Was he high on something?

Actually it was a she. I don't know her name but she just finished playing doubles they said. She had an Aussie accent.

Vida
05-28-2009, 02:22 PM
that is one ugly though effective forehand. at least on clay.

saw most of the match and am not overly surprised. feel sorry for Marat, will miss him in years to come.

Burrow
05-28-2009, 02:34 PM
One of the TTC announcers aid his forehand was similiar to Tsonga's.

Well we all know why they made that comparison :rolleyes:

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 02:40 PM
he's been compared to tsonga, monfils and Blake

Burrow
05-28-2009, 03:10 PM
so? he plays nothing like tsonga or blake, the only similarity I see is the forehand of Monfils, which is evident, the rest is just because of his skin colour.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:14 PM
I know that's what I'm saying, Im not saying he has the ability of those players.

Burrow
05-28-2009, 03:23 PM
I'm not talking about ability, i'm talking about style, technique etc.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:28 PM
O, I see what you mean now. :)

But let's face it there is no way anyone would make a comparison that Ouanna is like someone that is white.

Burrow
05-28-2009, 03:32 PM
Bullshit as usual from you.

You might as well make a comparison between him and Fernando Gonzalez if you're comparing him to Tsonga. (And when I sat 'you' I don't actually mean yourself, because I know you'd have pointed that out if I didn't mention this).

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Bullshit as usual from you

who are you talking bout? the announcer I mentioned?

MurrayFan1
05-28-2009, 03:40 PM
I loved watching this match. But it was a bit annoying that it finished after the Champions' League started.

out_here_grindin
05-28-2009, 03:44 PM
That was annoying. I had planned watching the final thoruhg and through, but i had too see the end of the 5 setter.

Sheepy
05-28-2009, 07:48 PM
Actually it was a she. I don't know her name but she just finished playing doubles they said. She had an Aussie accent.

That was Renee Stubbs.

Roddickominator
05-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Ouanna plays just like Arthur Ashe, Gael Monfils, James Blake, and Donald Young.

the graduate
05-28-2009, 08:02 PM
Ouanna plays just like Arthur Ashe, Gael Monfils, James Blake, and Donald Young.at least they dont scratch their lice infested balls every minute like Roddick:rolleyes:

Hugh Jaas
05-29-2009, 12:33 AM
Ouanna plays just like Arthur Ashe, Gael Monfils, James Blake,Dusin brown and Donald Young.

hmm racial controversy.

Pointless trivia. Donald young ranked 162 is the 16TH highest ranked pro for the US.Josselin Ouanna ranked 134 is also the 16TH highest ranked player for his country.

Wannabeknowitall
05-29-2009, 02:34 AM
Funny Roddickominator didn't mention Yannick Noah, a player who used soft and short slices to defeat Wilanders at the French in 1983.

But we can't be right every time we stereotype.
But as they say ignorance is bliss.