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modern tennis
05-26-2009, 09:20 PM
http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/nadal-genou-touche_sto1952750/flashnews.shtml


oh dear, this is very sad news. it says nadal had knee problems during victory over marcos daniel. maybe thats why he was bending over and holding his knees late in the match. this could be the end of the great mans career. maybe its time for rafa to retire because these knees are almost gone. what a waste, just absolute waste of a career.
:sobbing::sobbing::sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 09:22 PM
Its over, its all over

Dini
05-26-2009, 09:26 PM
Huh? :confused:

Melodramatic much?

He said he injured his knee slightly in training, how is that the end of his career? :scratch:

Kip
05-26-2009, 09:26 PM
Trying to make a better victory story?

Nadal finds a way on one leg? ;)

j/k

Hope he'll be fine.

ImmzB
05-26-2009, 09:27 PM
Inshallah he will be alright!

pica_pica
05-26-2009, 09:29 PM
:sad: I hope he's alright
:hug: Rafa

Renaud
05-26-2009, 09:30 PM
I hope he doesn't lie :sad:

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 09:32 PM
It will be like Tiger Woods at the US(golf)Open last year. It runed from a bad knee into the press saying that Woods won with one leg as his other was completely paralized, he was crawling to each hole but he still won. that's what they will say about Nadal now.

Horatio Caine
05-26-2009, 09:32 PM
Hardly surprising if he does indeed have a problem. :shrug:

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 09:33 PM
Huh? :confused:

Melodramatic much?

He said he injured his knee slightly in training, how is that the end of his career? :scratch:

he had knee problems in madrid against djokovic and now it seems its getting worse. i was wondering why he was holding his knees in that match with daniel in the 3rd set. im literally in tears right now. he is my favourite player and person i admire most, and if his knees are gone, then its a matter of time before he is out.

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 09:34 PM
http://blog.beliefnet.com/freshliving/tissues.jpg

jrm
05-26-2009, 09:34 PM
Already blaming injury for 'possible' (or should i say very likely) defeat in rounds to come?

jrm
05-26-2009, 09:35 PM
The way he plays i'm shocked he hasn't had any kind of injuries in his career ... hard, brutal, laboured game leads to many, many injuries

scarecrows
05-26-2009, 09:35 PM
he'll be vamosing in Chatrier court in 2 weeks time

BIGMARAT
05-26-2009, 09:36 PM
I still hope his knees recover however, if he doesn't change his tennis routine which is taking too much toll on his body, he will pay the price.

He needs to play more agressive tennis and avoid long rallies. But I'm afraid it will not work for him. A lot players are better servers and hit harder than he does.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 09:37 PM
Rafa will win this tournament, even if that is on a wheelchair ;)
he has learned to deal with his knee pains, with his chronic tendinitis, I don't think that will stop him :)

pica_pica
05-26-2009, 09:37 PM
No, Rafa won't lie! That's why I'm really worried...
He has this problem already in Madrid SF against Nole...but he goes to length to win the match...
In the final I guess it's hurting so much that he doesn't even want to retrieve the balls...doesn't want further damage for RG....
I thought it is a confidence problem when I watched his R1 match against Daniel...but it's actually the knee...:sad:

Beat
05-26-2009, 09:38 PM
yeas, and the next match will be 6:1 6:0 6:2.

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 09:39 PM
It's funny that people get to Paris and are contaminated by the spirit of mise-en-scène. It's all bullshit.

Corey Feldman
05-26-2009, 09:40 PM
http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/nadal-genou-touche_sto1952750/flashnews.shtml


oh dear, this is very sad news. it says nadal had knee problems during victory over marcos daniel. maybe thats why he was bending over and holding his knees late in the match. this could be the end of the great mans career. maybe its time for rafa to retire because these knees are almost gone. what a waste, just absolute waste of a career.
:sobbing::sobbing::sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:
calm down Rafa_Maniac

MrChopin
05-26-2009, 09:41 PM
I can't believe how many calloused individuals there are here.

im literally in tears right now.

Good.

the graduate
05-26-2009, 09:44 PM
His schedule from AO has been brutal,the boy needs a holiday straight after RG dont play Queens just go on a cruise with Xisca and let those knees heal.

rubbERR
05-26-2009, 09:44 PM
these things just happen, no worrys, life goes on and fanboys will hunt another guy who is winning everything

Horatio Caine
05-26-2009, 09:45 PM
I still hope his knees recover however, if he doesn't change his tennis routine which is taking too much toll on his body, he will pay the price.

He needs to play more agressive tennis and avoid long rallies. But I'm afraid it will not work for him. A lot players are better servers and hit harder than he does.

First and foremost, he needs to take a prolonged break to enable his knees to recover. Although, really, he should have done this before now...he has only caused himself more damage by continuing to play through the discomfort/pain. He's a likeable athlete, but really I have little sympathy for him...his scheduling has been crass for as long as I can remember, and it is still like that even now. Just won't listen to his body.

Of course, there is a chance that the media has blown this story up a little.

groundstroke
05-26-2009, 09:46 PM
He will burn out, he will wear out, Federer, 6 years his senior, will outlast him, it is a disgrace. It's repulsive, but it's how tennis works.

Horatio Caine
05-26-2009, 09:47 PM
His schedule from AO has been brutal,the boy needs a holiday straight after RG dont play Queens just go on a cruise with Xisca and let those knees heal.

But that's the issue...his knees will never heal. If he were to take 6 months off (no way he'd be prepared to do that, obviously), he'd feel a lot better...but having played a really gruelling tournament on his comeback, the pain/discomfort would probably be there again, as if it never went away.

I honestly haven't a clue how he has played through it for so long (well, he has access to good physios etc I guess)...I was in absolute agony when I developed the same problem.

Dini
05-26-2009, 09:49 PM
Rafa on no legs can beat anyone in RG. :shrug: He might lose a few more games in each set, that's about it.

Johnny Groove
05-26-2009, 09:50 PM
He should skip the fall indoor season and rest from USO to AO

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 09:50 PM
He should have retired as soon as he felt the pain in the first set against Djoko in Madrid. I could see this coming.

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 09:50 PM
id imagine he will try to play taking anti inflamatory tablets, but i wonder even those will work. his body is saying enough, i cannot handle this anymore.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 09:53 PM
id imagine he will try to play taking anti inflamatory tablets, but i wonder even those will work. his body is saying enough, i cannot handle this anymore.

don't jump!

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 09:54 PM
id imagine he will try to play taking anti inflamatory tablets, but i wonder even those will work. his body is saying enough, i cannot handle this anymore.

Tablets? :lol:

People live in a fairy tale.

Horatio Caine
05-26-2009, 09:56 PM
yeas, and the next match will be 6:1 6:0 6:2.

Gaba could play a tin can and suffer that kind of beating. ;)

The real test will come when Rafa plays a half-decent player, and the interesting thing is that there are a load of guys who WILL take him on, in his half of the draw...Ferrer, Soderling (shoot me!), Davydenko, Wawrinka, Verdasco, Gonzo (and Murray...although too much junk).

However, he is fortunate that Djoker and Fed can tear strips off each other in the Friday SF (assuming that is how the draw will pan out)...should he make the final, the winner of THAT SF might be a little worse for wear.

Otherwise, I'm starting to believe that maybe the winner of Fed/Djoker might just win this thing (provided they aren't shattered for the final), and I still stand by my prediction that Fed will win back his Wimbledon crown.

Commander Data
05-26-2009, 09:58 PM
Rafa's knees can't be a serious problem because he will win the calander slam the next 4 years. Rafatards have teached me so. Thus, no need to worry at all, tards. Just believe your own words!

Snoo Foo
05-26-2009, 10:00 PM
:scratch: left knee, you say?

Get him a body bag!

pYE4fNQKTs4

Horatio Caine
05-26-2009, 10:01 PM
id imagine he will try to play taking anti inflamatory tablets, but i wonder even those will work. his body is saying enough, i cannot handle this anymore.

Well the tablets will take the edge off the pain (unless his knees are incredibly bad), but he'll only be reminded of the state of them once he stops taking the tablets. :shrug:

Ackms421
05-26-2009, 10:02 PM
Don't overreact. This doesn't seem to be his "chronic" knee problem. According to a rough translation (in this extremely brief article) it seems he just injured it in practice. He says it started bothering him in the second set; but no worries because the third set was his best anyway, so the knee couldn't have bothered him too much.

In any case, he is not losing here. I would worry more about Wimbledon and beyond.

timafi
05-26-2009, 10:02 PM
I'm not buying the whole knee story one bit
heard this way 2 many times:rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 10:02 PM
Pain at this level takes injections to get rid of.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 10:03 PM
wonder if this is true and if it is as bad as it is, will he play infiltrated? :unsure:

Johnny Groove
05-26-2009, 10:04 PM
Pain at this level takes injections to get rid of.

I'm sure you'd love that.

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 10:04 PM
Tablets? :lol:

People live in a fairy tale.

u are a heartless person man, one day u will get whats coming to u, one day u will get urs. u laugh at other people's misery and suffering. this is no reason to take pleasure in the suffering of him just because u dislike how he hits a tennis ball. for once reserve a spare thought for others suffering, then something good and happy will happen to u in ur life. what goes around always comes around, that saying is so true. seen it happen many times in my life. show some compassion.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 10:09 PM
I just don't think Rafa is having THAT much of a problem, he'll still win this, but the issues will come later at the fall HC season :unsure:

Bad Religion
05-26-2009, 10:14 PM
What a moron Nadal is

This happens when you play every fucking exho around the world . Abu Dhabi and that Guinot shit should have not been played by Nadal to begin with

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm sure you'd love that.

No doubt.

u are a heartless person man, one day u will get whats coming to u, one day u will get urs. u laugh at other people's misery and suffering. this is no reason to take pleasure in the suffering of him just because u dislike how he hits a tennis ball. for once reserve a spare thought for others suffering, then something good and happy will happen to u in ur life. what goes around always comes around, that saying is so true. seen it happen many times in my life. show some compassion.

Hallelujah! Amen!!

You should write a book on self-help. :lol:


Nadull has caused pain in all real tennis fans for a number of years now. Having to watch him is the tennis equivalent of passing a kidney stone.

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 10:17 PM
in his last match the commentators were saying they were closely watching him between points during the 3rd set and he was bending over pushing his left knee down and looked over at his support box with a worried face. he is trying to hide it from his opponents during the tournament. remember when uncle toni said he has major knee issues an year or so ago then rafa came out and said it was lies, but i think he is hiding the pain this tournament.

l_mac
05-26-2009, 10:18 PM
Pain at this level takes injections to get rid of.

How do you know what Nadal's pain level is?

:lol:

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:19 PM
Nadull has caused pain in all real tennis fans for a number of years now. Having to watch him is the tennis equivalent of passing a kidney stone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Real-tennis-rackets-balls.jpg

http://www.jdrtc.co.uk/USERIMAGES/real-tennis1.jpg

http://www.oratory.co.uk/images/Real_Tennis/photo_RealT_court%20shot2.jpg

Didn't know you were into that Glenn. ;)

l_mac
05-26-2009, 10:19 PM
in his last match the commentators were saying they were closely watching him between points during the 3rd set and he was bending over pushing his left knee down and looked over at his support box with a worried face. he is trying to hide it from his opponents during the tournament. remember when uncle toni said he has major knee issues an year or so ago then rafa came out and said it was lies, but i think he is hiding the pain this tournament.

That was at the end of 2007 and Toni was talking about the foot injury.

madmax
05-26-2009, 10:19 PM
well, I guess those chronic knee problems are the ultimate price you pay for such a demanding playing style...retrieving almost every ball and spending too much time to win matches - epic fail. One of the reasons why Fed's level of play remains very consistent is that he knows when to rest during the matches and is not going for every ball like it's the last one. You got to be SMART at this level, if you want any longevity and consistency in your carrer, and Nadal, no matter how competitive and and amazing he is, doesn't have the finesse and smarts of Roger, he beats his opponents by sheer brute, which could diminish as fast as his knee strenght...

star
05-26-2009, 10:20 PM
What a moron Nadal is

This happens when you play every fucking exho around the world . Abu Dhabi and that Guinot shit should have not been played by Nadal to begin with

two exho == every fucking exho around the world?

:confused:

prima donna
05-26-2009, 10:20 PM
Good luck defending Wimbledon.

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 10:20 PM
No doubt.



Hallelujah! Amen!!

You should write a book on self-help. :lol:


Nadull has caused pain in all real tennis fans for a number of years now. Having to watch him is the tennis equivalent of passing a kidney stone.

ur not a real tennis fan, if u were for real, u would respect everyone for the work they do. u are fake.

DrJules
05-26-2009, 10:20 PM
I just don't think Rafa is having THAT much of a problem, he'll still win this, but the issues will come later at the fall HC season :unsure:

Agree.

Clay or grass are soft surfaces proving some flexibility, but the hard courts will certainly inflame a knee problem.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:22 PM
Nadal only needs to play two HC tournaments before the USO (Cinci and Canada). I think he can have a good rest if he's wise enough.

l_mac
05-26-2009, 10:23 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Real-tennis-rackets-balls.jpg

http://www.jdrtc.co.uk/USERIMAGES/real-tennis1.jpg

http://www.oratory.co.uk/images/Real_Tennis/photo_RealT_court%20shot2.jpg

Didn't know you were into that Glenn. ;)

:lol: :lol:

I remember seeing a clip of real tennis at Queens. They must have courts there.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 10:25 PM
there are 5 tournaments in that part of the year: Toronto, Cinci, USO, Shanghai, Paris and London, I'm not very sure if Rafa should play the last three :unsure:

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 10:25 PM
Good luck defending Wimbledon.

i think he might even take the rest of the season off to save his career, if its this bad, i think its all over. :sobbing:

Collective
05-26-2009, 10:25 PM
Only one bad knee? He'll run like a rabbit and kick everyone's ass. You need his two knees out to stand a chance.

VAMOS!!!!

Burrow
05-26-2009, 10:27 PM
Injections are normally cortisone, steroid and pain killer, if he has a really serious problem then it will take surgery, I doubt it is just a build up of inflammation, if it is, then it isn't serious at all.

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 10:31 PM
How do you know what Nadal's pain level is?

:lol:

Athletes' level of pain, darling.

I must point out, though, that Nadull's pain level is at a point called "bullshit".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Real-tennis-rackets-balls.jpg

http://www.jdrtc.co.uk/USERIMAGES/real-tennis1.jpg

http://www.oratory.co.uk/images/Real_Tennis/photo_RealT_court%20shot2.jpg

Didn't know you were into that Glenn. ;)

Of course.

ur not a real tennis fan, if u were for real, u would respect everyone for the work they do. u are fake.

I respect whomever plays tennis. Not clown mug moonballers.

Aenea
05-26-2009, 10:36 PM
Surgery? :eek: Injections? :eek: Anti-inflammatory? :eek: What are you talking about in here?

Did anyone bother to read the article? The OP is overreacting. Nadal damaged his knee in the practice before the 1st rnd match. In the article he's saying he felt pain in his knee in the 2nd set but still he played better in the 3rd.

We'll see tomorrow.

jonathancrane
05-26-2009, 10:39 PM
Another year, the same bullshit

This thread will have a bump next sunday when Nadull won his 5th RG title

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 10:41 PM
Nadal only needs to play two HC tournaments before the USO (Cinci and Canada). I think he can have a good rest if he's wise enough.

he needs to skip those, he has no other choice, just play on the us open and take the season off, but i dont think he can even do that because the knee problem is getting worse by the day.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 10:45 PM
I dont think anyone deserves to win this tournament unless they can defeat an uninjured Nadal (he can be tired, but if he is injured it would be really sad).

Lee
05-26-2009, 10:47 PM
It seems MTFers here know more about scheduling than Rafa and Uncle Toni. Also, they know more about his knee/ankle/back/hand/wrist/feet/etc problems than his doctors/physiotherapists.


AMAZING :worship:

scarecrows
05-26-2009, 10:52 PM
This thread will have a bump next sunday when Nadull won his 5th RG title

injured, in the Spartan way

TheMightyFed
05-26-2009, 10:54 PM
Nadal has a silly scheduling (cf. Barcelone), especially for a guy with such a physical game. He's not lucky to have these injuries but whoever wins RG without a fit Nadal is still a great deserving champion, sooner or later we know that Nadal will break down. Usually it is later in the year but in 2009 he's played a lot since January. Didn't really need to but he must be kind of greedy..

MacTheKnife
05-26-2009, 10:56 PM
Nadal has problems with his knees..:eek:

This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:58 PM
he needs to skip those, he has no other choice, just play on the us open and take the season off, but i dont think he can even do that because the knee problem is getting worse by the day.

Do you reckon he'll have to have the leg cut off?

marcRD
05-26-2009, 11:18 PM
Nadal should skip Barcelona next time, also he shouldnt have played Rotterdam. He needs to skip queens and Cincinatti and most of the indoor season if he wants to invest in longevity beyond his 25th birthday.

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 11:22 PM
Do you reckon he'll have to have the leg cut off?

:haha: Good one.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 11:30 PM
Nadal should skip Barcelona next time, also he shouldnt have played Rotterdam. He needs to skip queens and Cincinatti and most of the indoor season if he wants to invest in longevity beyond his 25th birthday.

I'm sure you know, but just as a reminder: As an ATP member and due to his ranking, Nadal has to play all nine Masters 1000 (well, except Monte-Carlo) and at least four of the eleven Masters 500, plus the WTF or however they call the year-end Masters now. Queens is the only one he can skip, but you'd think even the almighty Nadal could use some practice on grass before defending his Wimby crown.

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 11:34 PM
I'm sure you know, but just as a reminder: As an ATP member and due to his ranking, Nadal has to play all nine Masters 1000 (well, except Monte-Carlo) and at least four of the eleven Masters 500, plus the WTF or however they call the year-end Masters now. Queens is the only one he can skip, but you'd think even the almighty Nadal could use some practice on grass before defending his Wimby crown.

The same thing goes for any of the other top players, they have the same decisions to make. :shrug:
He shouldn't skip Queens of course, but it still remains a mystery why he felt the need to play Rotterdam (okay, I've read that he received some 1000K euros appearance fee over there) and Barcelona (I'm not buying the 'patriotism'-crap, sorry).

I really hope he will rethink his schedule in the upcoming years.

LinkMage
05-26-2009, 11:39 PM
I have heard this bullshit every single year since 2004.

I have learnt not to buy any of this crap. Nadull is fine and will win RG once again.

calvinhobbes
05-26-2009, 11:40 PM
His schedule from AO has been brutal,the boy needs a holiday straight after RG dont play Queens just go on a cruise with Xisca and let those knees heal.
Wise advice. Its much better to have those:devil::devil::devil: knees peeled than knocked........

l_mac
05-26-2009, 11:41 PM
The same thing goes for any of the other top players, they have the same decisions to make. :shrug:
He shouldn't skip Queens of course, but it still remains a mystery why he felt the need to play Rotterdam (okay, I've read that he received some 1000K euros appearance fee over there) and Barcelona (I'm not buying the 'patriotism'-crap, sorry).


He loves to play Barcelona. It's his home club. You must think Fed plays Basel for the money?

Rafa doesn't mention his knee in his blog and he practised without the taping again today so I will assume he is okay.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 11:44 PM
The same thing goes for any of the other top players, they have the same decisions to make. :shrug:
He shouldn't skip Queens of course, but it still remains a mystery why he felt the need to play Rotterdam (okay, I've read that he received some 1000K euros appearance fee over there) and Barcelona (I'm not buying the 'patriotism'-crap, sorry).

I really hope he will rethink his schedule in the upcoming years.

Sure, all the top players have the same commitments. But this thread is about Rafa innit? ;)

Look at it this way: if he has to play four MS 500 during the year, he'll have to plan it out beforehand and pick the ones that suit him better. I believe it makes sense choosing Rotterdam (plenty of resting time afterwards), Barcelona (trust me, that tournament is really special to all spanish players. the club is very prestigious, Nadal trained there a lot and he really loves to play there), Hamburg (clay, after Wimby, defending) and... Valencia? (wishful thinking maybe...). He has to do it after all, he can't just skip them all.

The appearence fee thing is pure BS anyway.

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-26-2009, 11:48 PM
He's said it before and he's won the tournament... People have been acting like this for 2 years

l_mac
05-26-2009, 11:49 PM
Sure, all the top players have the same commitments. But this thread is about Rafa innit? ;)

Look at it this way: if he has to play four MS 500 during the year, he'll have to plan it out beforehand and pick the ones that suit him better. I believe it makes sense choosing Rotterdam (plenty of resting time afterwards), Barcelona (trust me, that tournament is really special to all spanish players. the club is very prestigious, Nadal trained there a lot and he really loves to play there), Hamburg (clay, after Wimby, defending) and... Valencia? (wishful thinking maybe...). He has to do it after all, he can't just skip them all.

The appearence fee thing is pure BS anyway.

He only needs to play 1 500 after USO because he can use his DC points as the 4th "500" And he is commited to Beijing I think. Is Beijing a 500?

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 11:58 PM
He loves to play Barcelona. It's his home club. You must think Fed plays Basel for the money?

Fed has skipped Basel on a few occasions as well. And yes, I think no player is immune for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offered, understandably so.

Rafa doesn't mention his knee in his blog and he practised without the taping again today so I will assume he is okay.

Exactly.

MacTheKnife
05-26-2009, 11:58 PM
I also think they changed it to 8 required MS 1000 events in 2009. Below is from the ATP website:

A. In 2009, any player who finished in the 2008 year-end Top 30 will be required to compete in four Grand Slam tournaments and eight ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments. In addition, the Best 4 ATP World Tour 500 and Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking. All direct acceptance players at the time of the entry deadline who do not play will receive a 0-pointer in their ranking.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 11:59 PM
yep, Beijing is a 500 event

Har-Tru
05-27-2009, 12:02 AM
I also think they changed it to 8 required MS 1000 events in 2009. Below is from the ATP website:

A. In 2009, any player who finished in the 2008 year-end Top 30 will be required to compete in four Grand Slam tournaments and eight ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments. In addition, the Best 4 ATP World Tour 500 and Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking. All direct acceptance players at the time of the entry deadline who do not play will receive a 0-pointer in their ranking.

Monte-Carlo was a Masters 1000 but not compulsory.

Har-Tru
05-27-2009, 12:03 AM
He only needs to play 1 500 after USO because he can use his DC points as the 4th "500" And he is commited to Beijing I think. Is Beijing a 500?

Didn't know about the DC thing.

And Beijing?? Come on Rafa, you disdain playing in my hometown, so close to your beloved island to go play in Beijing??? :mad:

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 12:04 AM
Sure, all the top players have the same commitments. But this thread is about Rafa innit? ;)

Point is, it counts for ALL players. No need to make any an exceptional case of Rafa's. :shrug:

Look at it this way: if he has to play four MS 500 during the year, he'll have to plan it out beforehand and pick the ones that suit him better. I believe it makes sense choosing Rotterdam (plenty of resting time afterwards), Barcelona (trust me, that tournament is really special to all spanish players. the club is very prestigious, Nadal trained there a lot and he really loves to play there), Hamburg (clay, after Wimby, defending) and... Valencia? (wishful thinking maybe...). He has to do it after all, he can't just skip them all.

Whatever, I think it's stupid of him to play Rotterdam, and as I said, I'm not buying the Barcelona-love - if it would truly do damage to his career to keep on playing there, do you really think he would?
The Hamburg tournament has been REPLACED by Madrid. He already played Madrid, no need to show up at the (downgraded) Hamburg tournament (which he won't anyways), so that one doesn't count. Valencia? Why should he turn up over there?
What makes you think that it's only Rafa to whom these rules apply? As I said, it goes for all the top players. If the other players can afford to skip a tournament once in a while, then so can he, ranking points/penalties be damned. It's not the case that he's in danger of losing his #1 position any time soon anyways. :shrug:

The appearence fee thing is pure BS anyway.

It might be BS, but believe me... it is important BS for a vast majority of the players. :angel:

Arkulari
05-27-2009, 12:08 AM
Karin: Hamburg is now a 500, so it's a possible event for Rafa, since it is one of the few clay court events at that time of the season :shrug:
I still think the ATP is killing the players with the whole "mandatory" events, the 1000 I understand, but why would they force on the 500? :shrug:

Har-Tru
05-27-2009, 12:10 AM
Point is, it counts for ALL players. No need to make any an exceptional case of Rafa's. :shrug:

True.

Whatever, I think it's stupid of him to play Rotterdam, and as I said, I'm not buying the Barcelona-love - if it would truly do damage to his career to keep on playing there, do you really think he would?
The Hamburg tournament has been REPLACED by Madrid. He already played Madrid, no need to show up at the (downgraded) Hamburg tournament (which he won't anyways), so that one doesn't count. Valencia? Why should he turn up over there?

Because it's my city. :mad: ;) And it's also the closest ATP Tournament to Mallorca...

What makes you think that it's only Rafa to whom these rules apply? As I said, it goes for all the top players. If the other players can afford to skip a tournament once in a while, then so can he, ranking points/penalties be damned. It's not the case that he's in danger of losing his #1 position any time soon anyways. :shrug:

Of course. Have we been agreeing the whole time? :lol: I wasn't making a special point for Rafa, just commenting on his particular schedule. Apparently DC points count as a 500 tourney though, so that frees him a bit.

It might be BS, but believe me... it is important BS for a vast majority of the players. :angel:

Not for Rafa me thinks. Nor for most of the top guns tbh I believe, unless it's a ridiculously big amount of money. They are loaded already, and put their careers first for the most part.

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 12:11 AM
Karin: Hamburg is now a 500, so it's a possible event for Rafa, since it is one of the few clay court events at that time of the season :shrug:

Hey, Hamburg - a Slow CLAY COURT tournament - is now played after Wimbledon (grass) and before the USO (HC).
Do you truly believe that any a top player with a working brain will bother showing up there in this particular schedule?
I sincerely doubt it, unless that player already realizes having no chance whatsover on HC. Which surely isn't the case with Rafa.

I still think the ATP is killing the players with the whole "mandatory" events, the 1000 I understand, but why would they force on the 500? :shrug:

That's why I don't think any a player will be able to fulfill the complete 'mandarory' circuit. I agree it's ridiculous, and when the ATP finds out that it is too much to ask from the players, I hope they will reconsider it. :shrug:

Har-Tru
05-27-2009, 12:14 AM
Karin: Hamburg is now a 500, so it's a possible event for Rafa, since it is one of the few clay court events at that time of the season :shrug:
I still think the ATP is killing the players with the whole "mandatory" events, the 1000 I understand, but why would they force on the 500? :shrug:

Because otherwise none of the big guys would play and they would be pretty much first-class 250s. It does make sense to me from the ATP side, but it is too much for the players.

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 12:15 AM
Because it's my city. :mad: ;) And it's also the closest ATP Tournament to Mallorca...

:lol: - explains a LOT!
Well I do hope he will one day play Valencia, if only for you... :hug:

Of course. Have we been agreeing the whole time? :lol: I wasn't making a special point for Rafa, just commenting on his particular schedule. Apparently DC points count as a 500 tourney though, so that frees him a bit.

I think so...
In the end, taking care sensibly of one's schedule, adds up to the longlivety of one's career. Roger, in his 237-weeks streak of being #1 managed to do so, by sensibly giving certain tournaments a miss whenever he could afford it and his body asked for it. It wouldn't be wrong for Rafa to consider doing the same.

Not for Rafa me thinks. Nor for most of the top guns tbh I believe, unless it's a ridiculously big amount of money. They are loaded already, and put their careers first for the most part.

Well... I'm not so sure about that. ;) ;) ;)
I would love to be able to believe you though.

Har-Tru
05-27-2009, 12:19 AM
I think so...
In the end, taking care sensibly of one's schedule, adds up to the longlivety of one's career. Roger, in his 237-weeks streak of being #1 managed to do so, by sensibly giving certain tournaments a miss whenever he could afford it and his body asked for it. It wouldn't be wrong for Rafa to consider doing the same.

If I had to pick one thing of the Fedal rivalry that is most lopsided in Roger's favour, that would be long-term scheduling and planning. It's about time Rafa learns, it's not like no one has told him.

And now I'm really going to bed. :zzz:

moon language
05-27-2009, 12:21 AM
Did the article change? I'm not seeing any mention of his knee in the article linked in the original post.

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 12:22 AM
Did the article change? I'm not seeing any mention of his knee in the article linked in the original post.

There wasn't any. OP just got in 'emo'-mode and invented a lot of the drama himself. ;)

MacTheKnife
05-27-2009, 12:30 AM
That's why I don't think any a player will be able to fulfill the complete 'mandarory' circuit. I agree it's ridiculous, and when the ATP finds out that it is too much to ask from the players, I hope they will reconsider it.

Long debate and I did not see much disagreement. The rules obviously apply to every player and the players need to put themselves first when they work out their schedule. You can bet your ass the ATP is going to put themselves first because they have a business to run. You can't have it both ways, and it will be up to the players to take care of themselves. That as never changed and never will.
Will they reconsider ?? I'd be surprised unless they were forced to for some financial reason. Probably only players opting out of tournaments for their own well being will make that happen.

Mint Chip
05-27-2009, 12:32 AM
Nadal's knee hurting him :D
IF he wins the tourney his knee won't be hurting him then ;)

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 12:37 AM
Long debate and I did not see much disagreement. The rules obviously apply to every player and the players need to put themselves first when they work out their schedule. You can bet your ass the ATP is going to put themselves first because they have a business to run. You can't have it both ways, and it will be up to the players to take care of themselves. That as never changed and never will.
Will they reconsider ?? I'd be surprised unless they were forced to for some financial reason. Probably only players opting out of tournaments for their own well being will make that happen.

You expressed my thoughts on this matter a lot better than I could. :yeah:

Byrd
05-27-2009, 12:37 AM
What a dick this Nadull is, really don't understand how this idiot has fans.

l_mac
05-27-2009, 12:40 AM
What a dick this Nadull is, really don't understand how this idiot has fans.

http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

FiBeR
05-27-2009, 12:42 AM
does anyone remember Madrid 2007? :bigcry:

I think it was that tournament.. :p or that time of the season at least

Guy Haines
05-27-2009, 12:49 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

:lol:

modern tennis
05-27-2009, 01:18 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

:lol:
why do chicks like guys with big butts? what is the reasoning behind that?

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 01:26 AM
:lol:
why do chicks like guys with big butts? what is the reasoning behind that?

Well tell me why you like him so much, then. :aplot:

Corey Feldman
05-27-2009, 01:27 AM
:lol:
why do chicks like guys with big butts? what is the reasoning behind that?
why do us guys like women with big boopies?

who knows any of it

Arkulari
05-27-2009, 01:46 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

:drool:
Linda to the rescue!! :D :lol:

cmurray
05-27-2009, 01:58 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

Linda :haha:

:hug:

Forehander
05-27-2009, 03:10 AM
The usual stuff. Alot of people don't notice but Nadal plays more mind games than anybody on the tour seriously... which really can quite knick other players off

Igaarg
05-27-2009, 03:11 AM
Come on!!!!Seriously, I don´t believe him

vamosinator
05-27-2009, 03:12 AM
Thanks to the 'media' Nadal will look even greater than he already is, all these 'injury reports' will go into Nadal's biography :D

Mimi
05-27-2009, 03:37 AM
:help::bigcry:

modern tennis
05-27-2009, 03:37 AM
Well tell me why you like him so much, then. :aplot:

because he is a down to earth humble champion, he is not an elitist type of person that think they are gods. he still lives in his old apartment with his family. he is not arrogant. he is cool and he is a unique player, no one can play the shots he does, esp. those passing shots from such defensive positions and the power and spin along with the control he has. also his never give up attitude, his determination to achieve a goal, etc etc etc.

r3d_d3v1l_
05-27-2009, 03:49 AM
Mind games, no?

octatennis
05-27-2009, 03:49 AM
withdraw man.

superslam77
05-27-2009, 03:58 AM
No doubt.



Hallelujah! Amen!!

You should write a book on self-help. :lol:


Nadull has caused pain in all real tennis fans for a number of years now. Having to watch him is the tennis equivalent of passing a kidney stone.

You are da MAN!!!

Lee
05-27-2009, 04:53 AM
Monte-Carlo was a Masters 1000 but not compulsory.

It can be counted as a 500 event.

Since Nadal played Rotterdam, Monte Carlo and Barcelona, he doesn't have to play any 500 events before USO this year.

chowdahead25
05-27-2009, 05:18 AM
id imagine he will try to play taking anti inflamatory tablets, but i wonder even those will work. his body is saying enough, i cannot handle this anymore.

:haha:
Take a freakin chill pill!!!

Fiberlight1
05-27-2009, 05:38 AM
It can be counted as a 500 event.

Since Nadal played Rotterdam, Monte Carlo and Barcelona, he doesn't have to play any 500 events before USO this year.

For his sake.. I hope he's smart and doesn't...

FedFan_2007
05-27-2009, 05:43 AM
More bullshit lies from the haters. Just for this, Rafa will win R2 6-0, 6-2, 6-1.

alfonsojose
05-27-2009, 06:00 AM
more lies from uncle Toni :zzz:

vamosinator
05-27-2009, 06:02 AM
The haters love to give Nadal words for him to make them eat.

FedFan_2007
05-27-2009, 07:07 AM
^^^
I know that in the end Rafa makes the final and at the very least it's another epic clash with Roger.

superslam77
05-27-2009, 07:08 AM
Acting for sympathy but i hope it's true.

Bargearse
05-27-2009, 07:38 AM
I'm sure it's horse$hit

Byrd
05-27-2009, 08:54 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg

I take it you smell your Nadull poster every night :D

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 09:11 AM
I take it you smell your Nadull poster every night :D

Don't forget the screensaver as well.

Ad Wim
05-27-2009, 09:25 AM
What a moron Nadal is

This happens when you play every fucking exho around the world . Abu Dhabi and that Guinot shit should have not been played by Nadal to begin with

This is so true. How on earth can you decide to play an exhibition after such busy weeks?!

But still, we heard this so many times. Don't the people that are so worried now remember Wimbledon last year? He hurt his knee in an early round, even got treatment during a game, but won it all...

finishingmove
05-27-2009, 09:27 AM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3468/244336-bannanas_super.jpg

Byrd
05-27-2009, 09:29 AM
Don't forget the screensaver as well.

I'm sure I_Mac is the equivalent to Tinkerbell to Nadull's peter pan, considering the guy has never grown up and has lived on a island all his life.

Mimi
05-27-2009, 09:29 AM
:lol:

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 09:37 AM
The excuses are ready, if somehow Nadal loses, then again Nadal has won clay events half fit.

TheMightyFed
05-27-2009, 09:57 AM
The excuses are ready, if somehow Nadal loses, then again Nadal has won clay events half fit.

Nadal, the King of Excuses...
By the way, Rafito is planning to play a... football exhibiton with Eros Ramazzotti and Craig David in Geneva on June 13. Go figure...
Source in French:
http://www.lematin.ch/sports/football/vers-duo-nadal-federer-125262

Castafiore
05-27-2009, 10:07 AM
The excuses are ready, if somehow Nadal loses, then again Nadal has won clay events half fit.
Nadal did NOT say "my left knee is bothering me" (it's just a trollish title by the OP), his uncle Toni indicated that he felt a bit of pain BUT his doctor said that it was nothing much to worry about. It's mostly nerves at the start of a major tournament, making it so that just about every little pain an athlete feels will be examined just to be on the safe side, if only to put the mind at ease.

HOWEVER, his camp - including his doctor - have clearly indicated that they're not concerned and it's nothing major.

So, it's not the Nadal camp who is ready with their excuses, it's the usual bunch of vultures on MTF rubbing their hands with glee with every mention of a possible injury.


It's probably futile to write it because many read what they want to read and write what they want to write but still...had to try.

born_on_clay
05-27-2009, 10:09 AM
Nadal, the King of Excuses...


You're sa pathetic
It is Federer making excuses all time long...
Rafa is a great champion

TheMightyFed
05-27-2009, 10:23 AM
You're sa pathetic
It is Federer making excuses all time long...
Rafa is a great champion

I agree but whenever he loses he tends to blame a physical problem/exhaustion (blisters against Ferrero in Rome 08, knee against Fed in W07, knees against Ferrer in USO 07, exhaustion against Fed in Madrid 09, etc.). Cut your schedule (small tourneys+exhos) if you know that you will play every freaking finals running like a rabbit all day long, or don't complain that you break down. He's 22 for god's sake ! Fed is rarely blaming his physique when he loses. Sure he has other flaws but not this one.

Castafiore
05-27-2009, 10:33 AM
Fed is rarely blaming his physique when he loses.
:tape:

Commander Data
05-27-2009, 10:41 AM
i think he might even take the rest of the season off to save his career, if its this bad, i think its all over. :sobbing:

What does suggest it is this bad? Can you translate for me what exactly he said? thx.

justsumma
05-27-2009, 10:41 AM
http://img2.menstennisforums.com/500/savethethread.jpg Is that where you live?

Chiseller
05-27-2009, 10:44 AM
Too good.

Action Jackson
05-27-2009, 10:55 AM
Nadal did NOT say "my left knee is bothering me" (it's just a trollish title by the OP), his uncle Toni indicated that he felt a bit of pain BUT his doctor said that it was nothing much to worry about. It's mostly nerves at the start of a major tournament, making it so that just about every little pain an athlete feels will be examined just to be on the safe side, if only to put the mind at ease.

HOWEVER, his camp - including his doctor - have clearly indicated that they're not concerned and it's nothing major.

So, it's not the Nadal camp who is ready with their excuses, it's the usual bunch of vultures on MTF rubbing their hands with glee with every mention of a possible injury.


It's probably futile to write it because many read what they want to read and write what they want to write but still...had to try.

Seriously, you are going to tell me, if through some strange thing that Nadal somehow loses at RG, then the injured excuse isn't going to come out. You know better than that. I am not saying whether it's going to be the fanbase, the media or any other group is going to make them, but they will be around, just like with any top player, just the type of excuse is different.

Castafiore
05-27-2009, 11:02 AM
Seriously, you are going to tell me, if through some strange thing that Nadal somehow loses at RG, then the injured excuse isn't going to come out.
I won't deny it. His fans are going to come up with the excuse and his haters are going to enjoy the thought of injuries, the beginning of the end, injury issues shortening his career,...
What else is new?

However it's not an issue at this point. The OP is trolling (with success) and many are using it as an excuse to have another GM party.

TheMightyFed
05-27-2009, 11:25 AM
:tape:

Give me concrete examples instead of using your smileys.
Apart from the foot problem in AO 05 and his sprayed ankle in Masters Cup 06 (he didn't really use it as an excuse BTW) I don't see.
The mono is different if you refer to that, he didn't use it for a particular loss. The guy kept a semi-finals streak in GS alive through mononucleosis, he could have skipped one or two slams easy (cf. Ancic). He did not.
Back to Rafa, he always finds a way to make you wonder whether his losses are legit or not. A bit like Djoko. These are mental tricks. Fed doesn't play these tricks, he's delusional about himself after all the praises he heard, but he doesn't need tricks.

tennis2tennis
05-27-2009, 11:28 AM
Rafa’s isn’t making excuses, it’s fans who usually do that, his style of play will simply mean faster wear and tear than other players at 22, I think he should work that little bit harder to perfect his second serve (against the better returners) usually leads him to longer rallies (which he wins) but I think he feels the affects later.

johnny_dhk
05-27-2009, 11:57 AM
Federina's only real strength- his serve- is gone forever after his back injury.

marcRD
05-27-2009, 12:10 PM
Federina's only real strength- his serve- is gone forever after his back injury.

Thats not what I saw in the Madrid final...

Vida
05-27-2009, 12:34 PM
I feel feds 'back problem' are a hoax, just slightly bigger than that mono bs he blew on us.

re knees. sorry to hear but Im not surprised. I read in yesterdays papers interview with some doctor (who is a big shot among players) that Rafa has at most 3 years playing. not only cause of his tough style but also the fact he has small feet and an uneven distribution of weight. he also said that Rafa over-trying at practice sessions and schedule aren't helping either.

anyway, weather its an excuse or pre-excuse doesnt really matter. fact is he has a problem and it wont be easy to remedy it, if it is possible at all.

all we need on top of that is some bitching clown to publicly hope for Rafato have an off-day so he can finally beat him with a smile. we all know what an off-day means in Rafas case.

Jaz
05-27-2009, 12:38 PM
I feel feds 'back problem' are a hoax, just slightly bigger than that mono bs he blew on us.

re knees. sorry to hear but Im not surprised. I read in yesterdays papers interview with some doctor (who is a big shot among players) that Rafa has at most 3 years playing. not only cause of his tough style but also the fact he has small feet and an uneven distribution of weight. he also said that Rafa over-trying at practice sessions and schedule aren't helping either.

anyway, weather its an excuse or pre-excuse doesnt really matter. fact is he has a problem and it wont be easy to remedy it, if it is possible at all.

all we need on top of that is some bitching clown to publicly hope for Rafato have an off-day so he can finally beat him with a smile. we all know what an off-day means in Rafas case.

Yes, poor rafa, and his knee. :rolleyes:

This thread;

1) Rafa did NOT say his knee is a problem.
2) This thread has NOTHING to do with Federer's back or mono.

The trolls have completely taken over MTF. :mad:

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 12:39 PM
Federina's only real strength- his serve- is gone forever after his back injury.

Ignorance at its highest point.

Jaz
05-27-2009, 12:42 PM
Ignorance at its highest point.

Yup, same could have been said about Sampras and his serve.

It's ridiculous, a top player needs ALL ASPECTS of the game (serve included).

Vida
05-27-2009, 12:44 PM
Yes, poor rafa, and his knee. :rolleyes:

This thread;

1) Rafa did NOT say his knee is a problem.
2) This thread has NOTHING to do with Federer's back or mono.

The trolls have completely taken over MTF. :mad:

ok but look. knee issue exists and its a fact. and there are big implications, not only because of who the guy in question is - and who I like very much, but because of the price one must pay for such commitment and mroe importantly - style of the game. I think its very important and how this ends will have big impact beyond tennis.

regarding Fed, I was just responding to the dilemma two posters who posted right before me engaged in.

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 12:47 PM
Yup, same could have been said about Sampras and his serve.

It's ridiculous, a top player needs ALL ASPECTS of the game (serve included).

yeah its why you don't see Karlovic with 13 slams (or any big titles)

Hola Mr. SK
05-27-2009, 01:59 PM
we'll see in the following matches.

adee-gee
06-05-2009, 01:30 PM
That's why he lost at RG :sad: ;)

#1 ranking :help:

Get better soon Rafa :hug:



From BBC.....

Rafael Nadal has withdrawn from next week's Aegon Championships at Queen's Club because of "ongoing knee problems". He says: "I have been having some problems in the past months with my knees, that's no secret, that did not allow me to compete always at 100%. I need to work with my team to recover well, work on my physical condition to be at my top form and get ready for the grass to play at Wimbledon. I hope I can be ready to compete by then."

Quadruple Tree
06-05-2009, 01:33 PM
So Nadal is still undefeated when he is healthy. Only injuries and tiredness can stop the Doomsday Stroking Machine!!! SPARTA!!!

finishingmove
06-05-2009, 01:33 PM
get well soon

rocketassist
06-05-2009, 01:34 PM
Haha, bullshit. He said he was going the swimming pool for a few days after RG...

Nice one Rafa, leaving Queens right in dog shit for big name players. :retard:

FedFan_2007
06-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Yeah I have to be wondering about the "knee" injury. It's just he needs an excuse to skip Queens. I agree with his decision. He doesn't need a grass tune up. 1st round of Wimbledon is enough.

ys
06-05-2009, 01:36 PM
Smart move. He needs rest. Needs to recharge his batteries. I am pretty sure knee injury is a pretext. He was out of energy already in Madrid and Paris fiasco just confirmed the seriousness of that. I expected this withdrawal. That's the only chance to salvage the rest of the season. A couple of weeks off..

rocketassist
06-05-2009, 01:36 PM
Worst Queens ever. No top players bar the 4 time winner and the Brit hope!

adee-gee
06-05-2009, 01:37 PM
Haha, bullshit. He said he was going the swimming pool for a few days after RG...

Nice one Rafa, leaving Queens right in dog shit for big name players. :retard:
Why is it bullshit? You don't think he wants to play on grass before Wimbledon? Defend his title? Keep his lead in the rankings? :silly:

Queens still has a good enough entry list.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Soderling beat Rafa at the French. Soderling played out of his mind and deserved to win. I'm not convinced Rafa could have beaten Soderling if he Soda had been playing that well last year.

As far as Rafa's knees, it might have been a good idea for him to rest them a bit earlier leading up to the French. :shrug:

I hope he feels better soon, too.

I dunno.. How old is he? He's going to be 23, right?
This on-going knee issue is concerning for him and his team for sure, but also his fans. I sure hope it doesn't force him into an early decline or retirement.

Sunset of Age
06-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Nasty. Hope he gets well in time for Wimbly... and no practice on grass before that? :scared:

Get well soon, Raf. :hug:

SheepleBuster
06-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Clever move. But if Soderling plays like he is here at Wimbledon can't see who can stop him. This guy is not bashing the ball out of his mind. Is Soderling in the Queens draw?

Matt01
06-05-2009, 01:39 PM
So Nadal is still undefeated when he is healthy. Only injuries and tiredness can stop the Doomsday Stroking Machine!!! SPARTA!!!


:spit:

finishingmove
06-05-2009, 01:40 PM
soderling is playing halle

SheepleBuster
06-05-2009, 01:42 PM
soderling is playing halle

Crap! Roger should move to Queens.

jtipson
06-05-2009, 01:42 PM
soderling is playing halle

Nope, he pulled out already.

EnriqueIG8
06-05-2009, 01:42 PM
soderling is playing halle

Soderling is out of Halle.

FedFan_2007
06-05-2009, 01:43 PM
Nasty. Hope he gets well in time for Wimbly... and no practice on grass before that? :scared:

Get well soon, Raf. :hug:

Roger won in 2007 w/o Halle, so there is hope.

SheepleBuster
06-05-2009, 01:46 PM
Soderling is out of Halle.

Great. Roger may not win the French but his Halle record will be safe!! I just don't see anyone beating this dude. how can you go from being a mug on clay to a Rafa killer?

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 01:48 PM
Clever move. But if Soderling plays like he is here at Wimbledon can't see who can stop him. This guy is not bashing the ball out of his mind. Is Soderling in the Queens draw?

Just to clarify, I didn't say "bashing the ball out of his mind."

I said "playing out of his mind": translation Soderling is a BEAST at the French right now! :hatoff:

But the truth is it wasn't that long ago he wasn't playing all that well. Didn't he lose to Rafa in straight sets just recently? So it remains to be seen whether or not he can maintain his "beastly" level of play. That's all I'm saying.

Corey Feldman
06-05-2009, 01:49 PM
he really needs to assess his clay schedules for the years to come

Har-Tru
06-05-2009, 01:49 PM
not liking how that sounds. might he miss Wimbledon?

SheepleBuster
06-05-2009, 01:52 PM
not liking how that sounds. might he miss Wimbledon?

If he does, the 2nd reign of Roger Federer is upon us!

bizzle
06-05-2009, 01:56 PM
I bet Djokovic regrets switching to Halle now.

Get well soon Rafa, we all knew you were injured during the Soderling match :hug:

Clay Death
06-05-2009, 01:57 PM
Why is it bullshit? You don't think he wants to play on grass before Wimbledon? Defend his title? Keep his lead in the rankings? :silly:

Queens still has a good enough entry list.


its tragic. he did complain about some knee problems just before his match against Djokovic in Madrid. so this is not fabricated stuff.

what a costly mistake to not skip Madrid when he really needed some rest and recovery just before the most demanding of all slams.

and now ends up skipping the one that he really needed to get his bearings right on grass.

just very poor planning and pathetic decision making. he has to pay a steep price for this or he is just not going to learn.

Clara Bow
06-05-2009, 01:57 PM
he really needs to assess his clay schedules for the years to come

He only played five clay tournaments this year.

The problem is that the main clay tournaments are all jam-packed together after the longish hard court season at the start of the year. I wish he had not played Madrid- but it is a Masters 1000. I don't think he will give up Barcelona- because that is the traditional tournament in Spain. I do see him giving up Madrid next year though.

JolánGagó
06-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Wimby title :wavey:

n.1 :wavey:

Vamos Fed GOAT! :rocker:

betowiec
06-05-2009, 02:00 PM
pussy

Clay Death
06-05-2009, 02:00 PM
he really needs to assess his clay schedules for the years to come


its more hard courts than clay to be honest. he skips Rotterdam and Dubai and today we would have had a healthy Clay Monster.

he skips Madrid and he would be playing at roland garros today.

fewer tournaments and more practice on clay and better training would have gone a long way.

Wolbo
06-05-2009, 02:03 PM
If Fed wins Roland Garros, Halle and Wimbledon he will overtake Nadal and become the 'new' No.1. That's a pretty big 'if' but not impossible and something you would not have expected to be possible just a month ago.

tennizen
06-05-2009, 02:03 PM
Nadal and his knee injuries:lol:. Shut the hell up, Rafa

MrChopin
06-05-2009, 02:04 PM
So he's had knee problems for months (which he calls obvious--"no secret"?) and still played. Why does he do this to himself?

Action Jackson
06-05-2009, 02:05 PM
Rest up.

FedFan_2007
06-05-2009, 02:08 PM
Rest up Spartan, we'll await your return at SW19. :worship:

Sunset of Age
06-05-2009, 02:09 PM
So he's had knee problems for months (which he calls obvious--"no secret"?) and still played. Why does he do this to himself?

Well I sometimes wonder whether he indeed makes any decisions on what to play and what not by himself... - he should realize by now that he might indeed risk blowing up his career prematurily if he keeps on going like this. Puzzling. :confused:
If it is indeed as bad as it sounds of course - after all this is nothing new and so far he's been doing rather well. :shrug:

iriraz
06-05-2009, 02:09 PM
Pretty much every year Nadal has problems with his knees.But the bad part in this year is that`s in the middle of the season and not in autumn when us open and indoor season comes.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:10 PM
pussy

As I recall, Mr. Federer time-off after the AO due to "back problems." Oh.. but he managed to play an exhibition or something? I have read about his bout with mono and back problems for some time now. Didn't he only play a couple of tournaments leading up to the French?

So I guess Roger's lying, too?

I prefer to take these players at their word. Rafa's knees could be sore and he might be tired, AND he just needs to regroup. So the guy needs some type off, period.

NaDALiTa
06-05-2009, 02:10 PM
Sounds bad.I was sure that he was hiding his injury in RG (knee wrapping never lies).Get well soon.

Machiavelli
06-05-2009, 02:11 PM
he skips Madrid and he would be playing at roland garros today.


surely statement of the year

he had a week off before Rg and very tough matches against Daniel, HEwitt and GAbashvili; Soderling and everyone except Rafa fangirls would disagree with you big time, he was outplayed that day, quit with the BS mate....

Tarvold
06-05-2009, 02:11 PM
His knee injuries are his own fault. He'd probably have no problems if he didn't play such a defensive and grinding style of tennis.

prima donna
06-05-2009, 02:13 PM
As I recall, Mr. Federer time-off after the AO due to "back problems." Oh.. but he managed to play an exhibition or something? I have read about his bout with mono and back problems for some time now. Didn't he only play a couple of tournaments leading up to the French?

So I guess Roger's lying, too?

I prefer to take these players at their word. Rafa's knees could be sore and he might be tired, AND he just needs to regroup. So the guy needs some type off, period.
Still obsessed by Roger, are we ? What has he to do with any of this ?

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:19 PM
His knee problems are his own fault. He'd probably have no problems if he didn't play such a defensive and grinding style of tennis.

I dunno. As I already said, Roger has back problems. Some serve and volley players have shoulder problems? I recall Rafter having rotator cuff issues. And.. who else.. With Guga, it was his hip.. Other players have wrist problems: didn't Agassi have wrist problems?

I just think sometimes it's genetics + style of play.

I would agree though, it's definitely something he needs to be concerned about. If he is sort of predisposed to tendonitis, then it's something his team might consider... on a variety of levels including by limited to style of play, scheduling, practice, training.. etc..

Commander Data
06-05-2009, 02:19 PM
its tragic. he did complain about some knee problems just before his match against Djokovic in Madrid. so this is not fabricated stuff.

what a costly mistake to not skip Madrid when he really needed some rest and recovery just before the most demanding of all slams.

and now ends up skipping the one that he really needed to get his bearings right on grass.

just very poor planning and pathetic decision making. he has to pay a steep price for this or he is just not going to learn.

I think we have to wait until after wimbledon to see the whole picture. But I agree, If Rafa does indeed play bad in Wimbledon due to lack of preparation and knee problems. It would seem like he has outmaneuvered himself to some degree.

sawan66278
06-05-2009, 02:20 PM
its tragic. he did complain about some knee problems just before his match against Djokovic in Madrid. so this is not fabricated stuff.

what a costly mistake to not skip Madrid when he really needed some rest and recovery just before the most demanding of all slams.

and now ends up skipping the one that he really needed to get his bearings right on grass.

just very poor planning and pathetic decision making. he has to pay a steep price for this or he is just not going to learn.

You hit it right on the head. Madrid, Madrid, Madrid...why kill himself for that tourney...and Rotterdam? The other ridiculous entry. And now, missing Queens where supposedly Wimbledon is playing as fast as Queens...where is the prep now?:mad:

AND, more points lost...

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:21 PM
Still obsessed by Roger, are we ? What has he to do with any of this ?


As are you! LOL

Actually, if you read my entire post, I was DEFENDING Rogelio, believe it or not.

Do I have to repeat myself? TO CLARIFY, I said, I take these players AT THEIR WORD.

Geezz.. Sensitive.... much?

Commander Data
06-05-2009, 02:23 PM
So he's had knee problems for months (which he calls obvious--"no secret"?) and still played. Why does he do this to himself?

good question! If it is true it was indeed dumb that he played tournies instead of recovering properly before the most important time of the year :rolleyes:

SheepleBuster
06-05-2009, 02:25 PM
I hope Rafa doesn't retire. The last time a true king of clay was spanked, he retired. Not right away but soon after.

prima donna
06-05-2009, 02:26 PM
As are you! LOL

Actually, if you read my entired post, I was DEFENDING Rogelio, believe it or not.

Do I have to repeat myself? TO CLARIFY, I said, I take these players AT THEIR WORD.

Geezz.. Sensitve are we?
This isn't intended to be taken the wrong way, but you seem to always find a way in which to inject Roger into discussions that don't concern him in the slightest.

You've mentioned his breakdown and injuries in two threads in which Nadal's performance is the main topic of discussion -- not to mention your signature. Don't you think you're going overboard ?

LEGENDOFTENNIS
06-05-2009, 02:26 PM
No excuses, if he loses Wimbledon. Federer skipped Halle in 2007 and he still won wimbledon that year.

Clydey
06-05-2009, 02:27 PM
Here comes the excuses. It wasn't Soderling, it was Rafa's knees. It all makes sense now.

This is like when Federer started pulling out of shit with a back problem earlier in the year.

You lost fair and square. Enough with the excuses.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:28 PM
I hope Rafa doesn't retire. The last time a true king of clay was spanked, he retired. Not right away but soon after.

This is exactly how I feel. I don't want ANY of the players to retire or decline as a result of injury and/or mental burnout.

So I say, if they need a break.. they need a break!

out_here_grindin
06-05-2009, 02:32 PM
I don't know how you guys expect Nadal to ship Madrid. Its the clay season when he tears up the points and his home country.

TheMightyFed
06-05-2009, 02:33 PM
So Nadal is still undefeated when he is healthy. Only injuries and tiredness can stop the Doomsday Stroking Machine!!! SPARTA!!!

Thi is exactly what Nadal wants us to believe, but unfortunately this is wrong. If you're not fit, don't play, and if you play and lose, don't use it as an excuse, this is the tennis etiquette. His entourage is too greedy and they want him to do as much money as possible before he breaks down totally. The constant allusion to his career-threatening injuries by his uncle or physical trainer is really strange when you see that he just doesn't slow down in his scheduling. I call it short term approach vs. Roger's long term approach. The only positive sign was his will to shorten points and be more aggressive but it is too late I'm afraid...

Action Jackson
06-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Here comes the excuses. It wasn't Soderling, it was Rafa's knees. It all makes sense now.

This is like when Federer started pulling out of shit with a back problem earlier in the year.

You lost fair and square. Enough with the excuses.

You sound sceptical and of course it was a fair and square loss.

Action Jackson
06-05-2009, 02:34 PM
I don't know how you guys expect Nadal to ship Madrid. Its the clay season when he tears up the points and his home country.

Barcelona is his event to play in Spain and not TMS Tiriac.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:35 PM
This isn't intended to be taken the wrong way, but you seem to always find a way in which to inject Roger into discussions that don't concern him in the slightest.

You've mentioned his breakdown and injuries in two threads in which Nadal's performance is the main topic of discussion -- not to mention your signature. Don't you think you're going overboard ?

And this isn't intended to be taken the wrong way, Get over it! LOL It's only a game.

I'm not changing my signature even if he wins the FO! LOL There's always Wimbledon to consider! LOL

prima donna
06-05-2009, 02:37 PM
Get over it!
I should've anticipated such a response. Very well, carry on.

Sunset of Age
06-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Thi is exactly what Nadal wants us to believe, but unfortunately this is wrong. If you're not fit, don't play, and if you play and lose, don't use it as an excuse, this is the tennis etiquette. His entourage is too greedy and they want him to do as much money as possible before he breaks down totally.

I quite often fear that that is indeed the case. :(

Clydey
06-05-2009, 02:40 PM
You sound sceptical and of course it was a fair and square loss.

I'm sceptical anytime a player starts citing injuries as an excuse after a bad loss. Federer's collapse in the 5th at the AO final comes to mind. And of course I don't believe a word of this.

Look at the wording of the press release. It's pretty much designed to account for his previous two losses. It could have been worded in a way that didn't completely discredit his opponents.

MrChopin
06-05-2009, 02:40 PM
AND, more points lost...

This is a stupid mentality that will keep him on the court while injured. Is 500 points worth the risk of an R4 exit at RG and potentially career threatening damage to his body? Why the hell was he playing that pre-RG exho when his knees were bothering him?

kaylee
06-05-2009, 02:40 PM
Umm OK guys here is my 2 SENSE worth. All these guys play a gruelling schedule - if you really want to put the blame on someone or some entity blame the ATP. Playing literally 11 months a year week in and week out is gruelling on any body healthy or not. Sometimes these guys have to invent an excuse (I am not saying Rafa did) just to recharge the batteries. We want all of the players to be healthy and give their fans the chance to see them play. The GS are the most important and we want Rafa to defend his title, not playing Queens is a huge blow to the British fans BUT if it means Rafa comes to SW19 healthy and ready to play, I for one, applaud the excuse!!!!!

green25814
06-05-2009, 02:43 PM
Nadal's career is on the way down from here imo. He's past his peak physically already.

Clydey
06-05-2009, 02:45 PM
And another thing. He's having knee problems, yet he inexpicably stops strapping his knees before matches?

Corey Feldman
06-05-2009, 02:46 PM
I hope Rafa doesn't retire. The last time a true king of clay was spanked, he retired. Not right away but soon after.
Who?

Johnny Groove
06-05-2009, 02:48 PM
Smart decision from Nadal. Rest up physically and mentally for the big W.

Long term, though, he really needs to re-assess his schedule. I don't know why he plays in the middle east at the start of the year before a long flight to Australian instead of playing Brisbane the opening week of the season. $$$$$$, I know.

Rotterdam was a joke, again, $$$ driven. Indian Wells and Miami were legit, but the damage appears to already have been done by the time he reached the clay season. Of course he still posted a ridiculous record and fought to the very end.

His clay season isn't the problem, although I wouldn't shed a tear if he skipped Madrid next year, but more his style of play and reckless scheduling. In 2008, he played on clay and grass like he did on hard courts. Much more aggressive, bigger serving, and attempting to finish off the points quicker, reverting to defense only when necessary.

Since the end of 2008 and his injury, he appears to have lost weight to give his knees and body the ability to extend his career at the expense of the usual Nadal explosiveness.

A tightrope he will need to thread for the rest of his career.

MariaV
06-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Nadal and his knee injuries:lol:. Shut the hell up, Rafa

And you call yourself a Nadal fan? :confused:

Burrow
06-05-2009, 02:54 PM
Haha, bullshit. He said he was going the swimming pool for a few days after RG...

Nice one Rafa, leaving Queens right in dog shit for big name players. :retard:

exactly lmao

out_here_grindin
06-05-2009, 02:54 PM
And another thing. He's having knee problems, yet he inexpicably stops strapping his knees before matches?

Yeah, I found that weird. I noticed it during the soderling match.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 02:54 PM
Who?

I think he/she is referring to Borg?

Borg retired about the losing the U.S. Open final to McEnroe, right? I think he had lost it the year before, too?

How old was he when he retired? That's a pure case of mental burnout... just tired of the grind, the expectations, the media, the pressure of being #1..

MariaV
06-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Since the end of 2008 and his injury, he appears to have lost weight to give his knees and body the ability to extend his career at the expense of the usual Nadal explosiveness.



In the Q & A of his blog last week Rafa said he hasn't lost any weight, his weight is still the same. He said maybe the new polo shirt gave that impression.

tennizen
06-05-2009, 02:57 PM
And you call yourself a Nadal fan? :confused:

I don't like it when he mentions his knees several times after losses:shrug: It's ok to make fun of Fed when he mentions his back but not ok to criticize Rafa when he does the same?

MariaV
06-05-2009, 02:57 PM
I think he/she is referring to Borg?

Borg retired about the losing the U.S. Open final to McEnroe, right? I think he had lost it the year before, too?

How old was he when he retired? That's a pure case of mental burnout... just tired of the grind, the expectations, the media, the pressure of being #1..

If I'm not mistaken Borg was 26 when he retired.

Johnny Groove
06-05-2009, 02:59 PM
In the Q & A of his blog last week Rafa said he hasn't lost any weight, his weight is still the same. He said maybe the new polo shirt gave that impression.

Well his shirt I think is part of the problem. His shots are long and loopy, and the sleeves do not allow his shoulder the full rotation required, therefore compromising both spin and pace. He needs to go back to sleeveless.

Action Jackson
06-05-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm sceptical anytime a player starts citing injuries as an excuse after a bad loss. Federer's collapse in the 5th at the AO final comes to mind. And of course I don't believe a word of this.

Look at the wording of the press release. It's pretty much designed to account for his previous two losses. It could have been worded in a way that didn't completely discredit his opponents.

The pool is good rehab though.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Yeah, I found that weird. I noticed it during the soderling match.

Have ya'll ever suffered from recurring tendonitis?

I've had it in my wrist after a bad fall which caused a sprain.. then I had tendonitis later, and also in both knees.

It's a weird thing because..you feel fine after a while--due to treatment and physical therapy, so you decide not to take any precautions--like wearing braces/straps. But then it comes back with a vengeance! I think a person just has to be careful and admit there's always the possibility of coming back.

So maybe Rafa was feeling fine..or thought the dirt surface would be "forgiving." For sure a lesson learned. He is just going to have to admit that he needs to take precautions, regardless.

MariaV
06-05-2009, 03:04 PM
I don't like it when he mentions his knees several times after losses:shrug: It's ok to make fun of Fed when he mentions his back but not ok to criticize Rafa when he does the same?

Then don't call yourself a Rafa fan, that's all. :shrug: :wavey:

Clydey
06-05-2009, 03:05 PM
Have ya'll ever suffered from recurring tendonitis?

I've had it in my wrist after a bad fall which caused a sprain.. then I had tendonitis later, and also in both knees.

It's a weird thing because..you feel fine after a while--due to treatment and physical therapy, so you decide not to take any precautions--like wearing braces/straps. But then it comes back with a vengeance! I think a person just has to be careful and admit there's always the possibility of coming back.

So maybe Rafa was feeling fine..or thought the dirt surface would be "forgiving." For sure a lesson learned. He is just going to have to admit that he needs to take precautions, regardless.

So why didn't he start strapping his knees when they started becoming a problem again? He can't have it both ways. He says his knees have prevented him from giving 100%. So why not strap them again if they're becoming a problem?

MariaV
06-05-2009, 03:06 PM
Well his shirt I think is part of the problem. His shots are long and loopy, and the sleeves do not allow his shoulder the full rotation required, therefore compromising both spin and pace. He needs to go back to sleeveless.

You may have a point here, but didn't he test the polo before accepting it and wouldn't he stop wearing the polo if it was really so?

Clydey
06-05-2009, 03:06 PM
Then don't call yourself a Rafa fan, that's all. :shrug: :wavey:

Being objective does not mean that she isn't a Rafa fan.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 03:07 PM
If I'm not mistaken Borg was 26 when he retired.

That's still a little young to retire. Plus, I think it was more of the way he retired. I remember seeing this thing on Borg, and Johnny Mac was talking about it. It was like Borg was there one moment... then he wasn't. McEnroe said, it was like they left so much unfinished--Borg left so much unfinished, in his opinion and then by consequence, so did McEnroe.

I don't think Johnny Mac got over Borg's retirement to be honest because according to what he said on that show, Borg pushed him to a higher level in a number of ways--his tennis AND his behavior. So.. it was a little sad.

MariaV
06-05-2009, 03:09 PM
Being objective does not mean that she isn't a Rafa fan.

Laughing at and ridiculing someone means she isn't a fan. :shrug:

Laba
06-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Great, I wanted Rafa to maintain #1 for a year minimum and it doesn't even seem like he'll manage that. :(

Johnny Groove
06-05-2009, 03:11 PM
You may have a point here, but didn't he test the polo before accepting it and wouldn't he stop wearing the polo if it was really so?

I doubt it. Nadal is and has always been passive when it comes to dealing with Nike. There was a reason he didn't want to wear them in 2008 when he got to #1.

Puschkin
06-05-2009, 03:11 PM
Nadal's career is on the way down from here imo.

That is :bs:

It is only certain (non-)fans of all kind of players, talking about career-damaging losses. The players themselves seem to take defeats with much more stoicism and go back to practice. Nadal will be not ge gone in the near future.

tennizen
06-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Then don't call yourself a Rafa fan, that's all. :shrug: :wavey:

Why not? He's my favorite player still and I care about his victories and losses

Clydey
06-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Laughing at and ridiculing someone means she isn't a fan. :shrug:

I'd mock a player if I thought they were inventing excuses, too. And Rafa's excuse just doesn't add up at all.

tennizen
06-05-2009, 03:13 PM
Laughing at and ridiculing someone means she isn't a fan. :shrug:

I am not laughing and ridiculing. I am criticizing.

TMJordan
06-05-2009, 03:14 PM
IMO Nadal should just call it a career. He did well for being half human.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 03:15 PM
So why didn't he start strapping his knees when they started becoming a problem again? He can't have it both ways. He says his knees have prevented him from giving 100%. So why not strap them again if they're becoming a problem?

Maybe he didn't want to show any weakness?

This is another thing--pure speculation, but I remember him complaining about hard courts being more stressful on the body. Maybe he was trying to make a statement that dirt was somehow a better surface or something? That there should be more dirt tournaments?

I have no idea, but obviously he made a big mistake because I think his knees are bothering him now at least and maybe more than he originally thought. It's just this constant pain, and sure you take analgesics and receive therapy. But it doesn't take much to slow a player who relies so much on movement to have a good game, I would think.

All of that said, Soderling beat him. Soderling is playing great, and whether or not Rafa's knees were an issue, I think Soderling would have beaten him anyway. I just don't think at the point they were playing Rafa thought it was a big deal--and it probably wasn't. You get used to living and "performing" with pain. But now, maybe he's thinking he'd better not risk anything.

MariaV
06-05-2009, 03:17 PM
I am not laughing and ridiculing. I am criticizing.

You were laughing, not criticizing IMO. At least I interpreted your laughing smiley so. :shrug: That's all I have to say on the matter, I'm out. :wavey:

xelena
06-05-2009, 03:19 PM
Oh now it's the knees.. that's why he lost
seems to be that only nadal and federer have that privilege , whenever they lose - lose badly it's mono, knees or smthg else.

on another hand, no way Rafa's team would let him play and put him in danger if really his knees where even slightly injured.

Clydey
06-05-2009, 03:19 PM
Maybe he didn't want to show any weakness?


That makes no sense. He dominated the tour in 2008 with his knees strapped. Why would he randomly decide to remove them in 2009 because he thinks they make him look weak?

tennizen
06-05-2009, 03:20 PM
You were laughing, not criticizing IMO. At least I interpreted your laughing smiley so. :shrug: That's all I have to say on the matter, I'm out. :wavey:

There are many ways to express oneself:shrug:

Mimi
06-05-2009, 03:23 PM
:sad: bye bye no.1 ranking and wimby crown:sad:

andylovesaustin
06-05-2009, 03:24 PM
That makes no sense. He dominated the tour in 2008 with his knees strapped. Why would he randomly decide to remove them in 2009 because he thinks they make him look weak?

Did you even read the rest of my post?

andylovesaustin said:
I have no idea, but obviously he made a big mistake because I think his knees are bothering him now at least and maybe more than he originally thought. It's just this constant pain, and sure you take analgesics and receive therapy. But it doesn't take much to slow a player who relies so much on movement to have a good game, I would think.

All of that said, Soderling beat him. Soderling is playing great, and whether or not Rafa's knees were an issue, I think Soderling would have beaten him anyway. I just don't think at the point they were playing Rafa thought it was a big deal--and it probably wasn't. You get used to living and "performing" with pain. But now, maybe he's thinking he'd better not risk anything.

MariaV
06-05-2009, 03:25 PM
There are many ways to express oneself:shrug:

Whatever rocks your boat as they say. :shrug:

Johnny Groove
06-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Sorry to disappoint you guys, but Nadal's career is far from over. The guy is 23 years old. I don't expect him to dominate the tour until he's 30, but he's still got 3-5 more years at the top of the game I'd say. It all depends on how he takes care of his body, though.

Clydey
06-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Did you even read the rest of my post?

andylovesaustin said:

Yes, I read it. I addressed the first point, since nothing you have said actually makes any sense. It just doesn't add up. You're bending over backwards to try and explain why he stopped strapping his knees, when the obvious answer is that they weren't bothering him as much. And if they started bothering him again, he should have started strapping them again.

Jade Fox
06-05-2009, 03:30 PM
Sorry to disappoint you guys, but Nadal's career is far from over. The guy is 23 years old. I don't expect him to dominate the tour until he's 30, but he's still got 3-5 more years at the top of the game I'd say. It all depends on how he takes care of his body, though.

So true. I know his knees has always been a problem but I wonder why no one seems to have try to figure out the exact problem. Maybe from a doctor's perspective, he should get a second opinion.

kaylee
06-05-2009, 03:32 PM
I love these "discussions" - we can speculate and question all we like but the bottom line is "do we really know?". All we can hope for is that he comes back fresh and ready to defend Wimbledon which I think he will however keep on speculating that is all we can do.