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Michal Novotny: Nadal has three more years of tennis career

zeleni
05-26-2009, 07:56 PM
Today I read an article (http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Sport/Tenis/Nadal-ce-izdrzati-josh-najvishe-tri-sezone.sr.html) in biggest Serbian daily about Michal Novotný, Czech guy who is introduced as the world leading physiotherapist for tennis who has been working with all top players (including Nadal) for years, and he still works with him. He was giving help to both Rafa and Nole in that Madrid SF recently...

Basically, article is retold interview, with quotes, that Novotny gave to Czech daily "MF DNes". So I found original (http://sport.idnes.cz/nadal-vydrzi-hrat-nejvys-tri-sezony-rika-fyzioterapeut-novotny-pxh-/tenis.asp?c=A090206_192753_tenis_rou).

I know many "experts" have been saying the same about Rafa's knees for ages, but coming from this guy is something else, I guess...

Another interesting thing he told is that Rafa has very muscular legs which is fine, but his feet are small which causes problems.

Discuss.:D

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 07:59 PM
Too much time anyway.

I'd trust more if he said 3 months.

A_Skywalker
05-26-2009, 08:00 PM
You are saying this from 3 years Glenn, how desperate can you be?

Garson007
05-26-2009, 08:01 PM
Another interesting thing he told is that Rafa has very muscular legs which is fine, but his feet are small which causes problems.
You know what they say about small feet. :angel: No wonder Mirka ended up with Roger. :p

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 08:05 PM
did he say three more years of career or three more years at his best?

Novotny's is a voice to listen to.

pica_pica
05-26-2009, 08:05 PM
From the Roland Garros radio, they said Nadal's left knee has real problems and that's from practice. It's a different knee from last year's (which was the right one). If this is from some insider from the medical field then it's quite worrying...

Castafiore
05-26-2009, 08:08 PM
They're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Rafa's own doctor said today that there was nothing really worrying about his knee. He's a more reliable source.

jonathancrane
05-26-2009, 08:09 PM
The usual bullshit

zeleni
05-26-2009, 08:09 PM
Too much time anyway.

I'd trust more if he said 3 months.

Actually, he told three years "maximally". Guy lives in Spain and speaks Spanish. He has been working with Rafa since he showed up in Monte Carlo six years ago.

Apparently, he didn't say anything about Nole's problems, so your suffering will last more than three years, I suppose.:D

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Rafa's own doctor said today that there was nothing really worrying about his knee. He's a more reliable source.

source?

Castafiore
05-26-2009, 08:11 PM
source?
L'Equipe. Today's edition.

cmurray
05-26-2009, 08:15 PM
Casta, you're ruining their day. :( This is supposed to be the "let's all hope really hard that Rafa's knees give out" thread.

:rolleyes:

prima donna
05-26-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, sooner or later, all must come to an end.

Snowwy
05-26-2009, 08:18 PM
Too bad, I almost took it serious, til I read L'Equipe. Is there a worst paper in the world for taking seriously?

Garson007
05-26-2009, 08:20 PM
Well, sooner or later, all must come to an end.
Corny. :o

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 08:20 PM
The usual bullshit - Rafa's knees are fine. He'll be playing strong for another 7-20 years.

chammer44
05-26-2009, 08:21 PM
They're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Rafa's own doctor said today that there was nothing really worrying about his knee. He's a more reliable source.

Not like he can't find another top seeded global tennis super star to be his patient, if Rafa were to be displeased with him.

zeleni
05-26-2009, 08:25 PM
Casta, you're ruining their day. :( This is supposed to be the "let's all hope really hard that Rafa's knees give out" thread.

:rolleyes:

As a thread starter, I have to say you are wrong.

As a Rafa fan, I think Novotny is some kind of insider and his opinion is relevant, so I wanted to share with other posters.

Lleyton_
05-26-2009, 08:26 PM
No kidding.

cmurray
05-26-2009, 08:28 PM
As a thread starter, I have to say you are wrong.

As a Rafa fan, I think this Novotny is some kind of insider and his opinion is relevant, so I wanted to share with other posters.

That may not have been your intent in starting the thread, however that's what it will inevitably turn into. :shrug:

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 08:28 PM
Rafa won't be playing at top level when he is 30, but 3 years seems too short :shrug:

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 08:30 PM
The usual bullshit - Rafa's knees are fine. He'll be playing strong for another 7-20 years.


he probably has longer than 3 years but 7-20. I think not. Beleive it or not Nadal will eventually not be dominant.

shotgun
05-26-2009, 08:31 PM
If he said three more years of tennis career, then that's quite a bold call.

If he said three more years at the top of his game, then he's just being reasonable, considering Nadal will be 26 by then.

prima donna
05-26-2009, 08:32 PM
Corny. :o
Grow up.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 08:34 PM
Too bad, I almost took it serious, til I read L'Equipe. Is there a worst paper in the world for taking seriously?

true, but on the other hand, they're desperate to dethrone Nadal and find a way to bash him.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 08:36 PM
Just for that, Nadal will be #1 until 29.

Garson007
05-26-2009, 08:38 PM
Grow up.
:worship: Ad hominem prima donna at its best. :wavey:

zeleni
05-26-2009, 08:41 PM
That may not have been your intent in starting the thread, however that's what it will inevitably turn into. :shrug:

Well, I can't influence other posters what to write, can I?:shrug:

Besides sharing, my other, hidden intent was hope that some Czech MTFer would translate complete interview.:D:D

prima donna
05-26-2009, 08:43 PM
In all seriousness, it's difficult to have a discussion regarding the longevity of a player's career, especially when most of the participants of such discussions are under the age of 30. I don't think the younger members of this forum realize the extent to which success is fleeting. Nadal can't sustain this level forever, but such a reality will remain blurry and inconceivable to those who have yet to see a great player lose a step or two.

I don't particularly care for his style of play, nevertheless I would hate to see him retire prematurely. Nadal is playing incredible tennis, but are there people who really believe that it's reasonable to expect him to dominate in such a way in, say, 2012 ? I pose such a question because that's just what people are implying when they react incredulously to these sorts of predictions. Why is it so difficult to apply a bit of perspective ?

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 08:43 PM
true, but on the other hand, they're desperate to dethrone Nadal and find a way to bash him.

I don't know if it is in order to 'bash' him - it can be an honest opinion.
I find it likewise suspect that every time Nadal seems to be playing a bit 'below par' (meaning: he doesn't trash his opponent 6-2 6-1 6-0), lots of 'fans' bring up possible injuries as an excuse just the same - most obviously not meant as 'bashing', but making use of the same rumour whenever it comes in handy.
Strange. Why not just believe the guy (and his team) when he says he's okay?

prima donna
05-26-2009, 08:50 PM
:worship: Ad hominem prima donna at its best. :wavey:
Look, you've been following me around this forum incessantly. I'd like to be able to respond to threads without having to deal with childish antics, got it ? I'm trying dearly to be polite about this matter. Give it a rest.

MrChopin
05-26-2009, 08:53 PM
Casta, you're ruining their day. :( This is supposed to be the "let's all hope really hard that Rafa's knees give out" thread.

:rolleyes:

Quite the opposite in fact. If Fed does not beat a healthy, rested, at-peak Nadal, then he will never legitimately win the French and thus never ascend to undeniable GOAT status. As small as his chances are in playing a fit, at-peak, un-weather-hampered, unrigged-draw-ed Nadal, his RG credentials are forever stuck at nil if Rafa's best days are behind him. I nearly had a heart attack when I read this news.

And I won't believe it until I hear it from Uncle Toni himself.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 09:01 PM
I don't know if it is in order to 'bash' him - it can be an honest opinion.
I find it likewise suspect that every time Nadal seems to be playing a bit 'below par' (meaning: he doesn't trash his opponent 6-2 6-1 6-0), lots of 'fans' bring up possible injuries as an excuse just the same - most obviously not meant as 'bashing', but making use of the same rumour whenever it comes in handy.
Strange. Why not just believe the guy (and his team) when he says he's okay?

I mean L'Equipe, not particular individuals. They have a well documented history of accusing Nadal of doping, cheating, blah, blah...

And we all know believing in the players' word is just too boring. It's funnier to make things up.

meihaditalab
05-26-2009, 09:02 PM
glen is a joke, anyways 11 grand slams in the next 3 years is good enough anyways ;)

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 09:06 PM
As small as his chances are in playing a fit, at-peak, un-weather-hampered, unrigged-draw-ed Nadal,"]As small as his chances are in playing a fit, at-peak, un-weather-hampered, unrigged-draw-ed Nadal


That's right. He's never at his best so that when he loses he has a good reason.

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 09:13 PM
I mean L'Equipe, not particular individuals. They have a well documented history of accusing Nadal of doping, cheating, blah, blah...

I see. Yes, I know about L'Equipe. :tape:

And we all know believing in the players' word is just too boring. It's funnier to make things up.

:lol: - well it's not like I believe every word they say on their blue brown eyes, of course - there's a whole lot of subtle mind games going on between all of the players as well (no, I don't believe there are any exceptions to that).
I just think it's pretty lame to blame each and every subpar performance to a lingering injury, which a lot of fans seem to do (of every player, not just Nadal), and articles like these only feed that habit.
Sometimes a player just runs into an opponent that isn't as bad as 'expected'. Happens to them all once in a while, and people should be more generous in giving such a player the proper credits rather than making up excuses for their own fav. IMHO, of course. :)

delpiero7
05-26-2009, 09:25 PM
That's right. He's never at his best so that when he loses he has a good reason.

Matches involving the best player in the world are more often than not lost by the number one not being at his best.

When Federer was in God mode, are you honestly telling me that in all his losses he was 'out-Godded' by his opponents? Of course not. No one in this so called 'mug era' could come close to beating a peak Federer, except Nadal on clay.

Sure, in patches the opponent can match the peak level of the better player, but much more often than not, they cannot retain that level and end up losing (see Nadal vs Djokovic MC & Rome). Even if the opponent is in full God mode for the whole match, they aren't guaranteed victory (see Djokovic vs Nadal in Madrid).

The point is that most of the time the very best players lose because they're not at their very best, though not always, as it is possible for them to be totally outplayed.

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 09:29 PM
Yes I understand that, but why is that an excuse at all. I have seen countless people say "well nadal was not at his best at his best he would bagel him". Whose fault is it that you weren't at your best? That's how you lose, when your not at your best.

delpiero7
05-26-2009, 09:33 PM
But it's not an excuse if it's a fact. All the top players, however begrudgingly, would identify when they didn't play at their best and when they were outplayed. The reason why we hear them say that they didn't play well more often than we hear them say that they were outplayed is because it's bloody difficult to outplay the best players in the world playing at their peak.

the graduate
05-26-2009, 09:40 PM
what is he implying about feet,that Rafa is inadequate...thats a low blow.I have small feet but I am packing.:rolleyes:

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 09:43 PM
:lol: - well it's not like I believe every word they say on their blue brown eyes, of course - there's a whole lot of subtle mind games going on between all of the players as well (no, I don't believe there are any exceptions to that).
I just think it's pretty lame to blame each and every subpar performance to a lingering injury, which a lot of fans seem to do (of every player, not just Nadal), and articles like these only feed that habit.
Sometimes a player just runs into an opponent that isn't as bad as 'expected'. Happens to them all once in a while, and people should be more generous in giving such a player the proper credits rather than making up excuses for their own fav. IMHO, of course. :)

Of course there are mind games. You have to take everything with a grain of salt. Everything. It's very rarely black or white. And mind you I love it when it is, like when a player just flat-out gets a sound beating or when they speak clearly about something. I love one Laver quote when, before the 1969 USO final against Tony Roche, a journalist asked him "Roche has beaten you five out of the seven times you've played this year, what do you have to say about that?", and he answered "did he ever win when it was important?". And then he proceded to defeat Roche clearly the following day. That's a rare example of black/white. The player says exactly what he's thinking, and the match shows exactly who's better. That's one of the main reasons why I like so much the old times. I don't think there was half the rumours, excuses, sneaky muttering as today. What you saw was what you got. There wasn't any big fuss about Laver having a stiff back or Newcombe touching his knees more than usual or Roche cutting his fingernails too short. It was tennis, period. There's too much fluff these days.

But admitting that you've lost simply because you've been outplayed will always be difficult, and understandably so to some extent.

Jeez I'm rambling... time to go to bed. :wavey:

out_here_grindin
05-26-2009, 09:43 PM
But it's not an excuse if it's a fact. All the top players, however begrudgingly, would identify when they didn't play at their best and when they were outplayed. The reason why we hear them say that they didn't play well more often than we hear them say that they were outplayed is because it's bloody difficult to outplay the best players in the world playing at their peak.

But Ive heard players use it as almost like a forgiveness as to why they lost. Its okay I wasn't at my best, which really should be more disconcerning because you could have beat them but you failed to play at the highest level.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 09:44 PM
Yes I understand that, but why is that an excuse at all. I have seen countless people say "well nadal was not at his best at his best he would bagel him". Whose fault is it that you weren't at your best? That's how you lose, when your not at your best.

Well said.

Johnny Groove
05-26-2009, 09:49 PM
This isn't the first time someone has predicted Nadal's demise.

Garson007
05-26-2009, 09:51 PM
Look, you've been following me around this forum incessantly. I'd like to be able to respond to threads without having to deal with childish antics, got it ? I'm trying dearly to be polite about this matter. Give it a rest.
:confused: I think you've got me confused with someone else. Not to worry though, I'm sure you'll come up with the right person's name at some time. :D

Or Levy
05-26-2009, 09:55 PM
I don't think Rafa ever intended to play late into his thirties, at least that's not the indication he gave in some of his previous interviews, when someone suggested him the idea of having an Agassi style career.

I give him two more years at peak performance, and I wonder how long he'd want to stay in the game after that.

Garson007
05-26-2009, 10:10 PM
what is he implying about feet,that Rafa is inadequate...thats a low blow.I have small feet but I am packing.:rolleyes:
LOL :rolls:

nanoman
05-26-2009, 11:43 PM
Nadal could go on for as long as he likes. Really, all he had to do to win matches is to stand in 1 place and start whipping his trademark FH's.

Sunset of Age
05-26-2009, 11:51 PM
Of course there are mind games. You have to take everything with a grain of salt. Everything. It's very rarely black or white. And mind you I love it when it is, like when a player just flat-out gets a sound beating or when they speak clearly about something. I love one Laver quote when, before the 1969 USO final against Tony Roche, a journalist asked him "Roche has beaten you five out of the seven times you've played this year, what do you have to say about that?", and he answered "did he ever win when it was important?". And then he proceded to defeat Roche clearly the following day. That's a rare example of black/white. The player says exactly what he's thinking, and the match shows exactly who's better. That's one of the main reasons why I like so much the old times. I don't think there was half the rumours, excuses, sneaky muttering as today. What you saw was what you got. There wasn't any big fuss about Laver having a stiff back or Newcombe touching his knees more than usual or Roche cutting his fingernails too short. It was tennis, period. There's too much fluff these days.

But admitting that you've lost simply because you've been outplayed will always be difficult, and understandably so to some extent.

Jeez I'm rambling... time to go to bed. :wavey:

Good post.
Thing is, times have changed since then.
There is a lot more TV (okay... :rolleyes:)/internet coverage, the sponsor's have a LOT more money invested, there is of course the internet where every hiccup these players utter gets dissected to the bone, etc. In all - a lot more DRAMA.
Nowadays the players get extensive PR-training, and yes, it shows. But I can't blame them if I see what's on stake for them and their sponsors/team/etc., and how much heated up-silliness follows any a minor faux pas they make...

Well before I start rambling myself, I just conclude with saying that at times, I wouldn't mind a little bit more of the honesty of old coming back, but only if that honesty would be appreciated a bit more by the crowds as well. :)

Guy Haines
05-27-2009, 12:54 AM
You know what they say about small feet. :angel: No wonder Mirka ended up with Roger. :p

He more than makes up for it on the other side.

booa
05-27-2009, 01:29 AM
source?

L'Equipe. Today's edition.

They're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Rafa's own doctor said today that there was nothing really worrying about his knee. He's a more reliable source.

Too bad, I almost took it serious, til I read L'Equipe. Is there a worst paper in the world for taking seriously?



FYI, L'Equipe is the source for Nadal's own doctor's claims, and not for Novotny's claims.


I mean L'Equipe, not particular individuals. They have a well documented history of accusing Nadal of doping, cheating, blah, blah...


I see. Yes, I know about L'Equipe. :tape:


Say the people who have never read L'Equipe, and would just believe whatever the great Lance and his media buddies tell them about the smelly French. Same for the WMD in Iraq. Oh the power of francophobia, really impressive.

Har-Tru, I would like to know exactly when and where has L'Equipe accused Nadal of doping ? I'm just a little surprised that Nadal (knowing that they had accused him of doping) accepted to be one of their guest-star for a special edition last year!

http://unes.lequipe.fr/2008/eqp20081028.jpg

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 01:35 AM
Say the people who have never read L'Equipe, and would just believe whatever the great Lance and his media buddies tell them about the smelly French. Same for the WMD in Iraq. Oh the power of francophobia, really impressive.

Has nothing to do with francophobia, at least not in my case. :shrug:

Har-Tru, I would like to know exactly when and where has L'Equipe accused Nadal of doping ? I'm just a little surprised that Nadal (knowing that they had accused him of doping) accepted to be one of their guest-star for a special edition last year!

If I'm not mistaken (and if I am, correct me), it was L'Equipe who made a big story out of 'Operacion Puerta', the BIG cycling doping-scandal of a couple of years ago involving one Dr. Fuentes, insinuating that there weren't only cyclists on Dr. Fuentes' list of customers, but also football players and 'some very high ranked tennis players... '

Of course they could never come up with any proof whatsoever and the case got dismissed shortly thereafter.

vamosinator
05-27-2009, 03:10 AM
Thanks to the 'media' Nadal will look even greater than he already is, all these 'injury reports' will go into Nadal's biography :D

Mimi
05-27-2009, 04:09 AM
:bigcry::bigcry:

marcRD
05-27-2009, 12:26 PM
he probably has longer than 3 years but 7-20. I think not. Beleive it or not Nadal will eventually not be dominant.

Belive it or not, when that day comes Fedfan will be a fan of somebody else, so he wont care too much.

Byrd
05-27-2009, 12:30 PM
1 year sounds better.

marcRD
05-27-2009, 12:31 PM
I am starting to feel Borg's record might survive Nadal, but in 3 years he cant still win 4 more RGs.

johnny_dhk
05-27-2009, 12:36 PM
Rafael Nadal will remain the world no. 1 until 2016. He will win 25 grand slams including calendar slams in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 12:45 PM
I bet the Rafatards are secretly hoping the knee injury is true and his career will end soon.

That way they can say "he was struck down in his prime, he would have won 20 grand slams". They would prefer that to Nadal having a full career and not reaching their lofty predictions.

Commander Data
05-27-2009, 12:48 PM
Rafael Nadal will remain the world no. 1 until 2016. He will win 25 grand slams including calendar slams in 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Just for your information, that world ends 2012 ;)

out_here_grindin
05-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Just for your information, that world ends 2012 ;)


Nadal will make the world go forward just on shear willpower.

Commander Data
05-27-2009, 12:59 PM
Nadal will make the world go forward just on shear willpower.

That would further substantiate my thesis, that it is in fact God disguised as Nadal.

Castafiore
05-27-2009, 01:01 PM
If I'm not mistaken (and if I am, correct me), it was L'Equipe who made a big story out of 'Operacion Puerta', the BIG cycling doping-scandal of a couple of years ago involving one Dr. Fuentes, insinuating that there weren't only cyclists on Dr. Fuentes' list of customers, but also football players and 'some very high ranked tennis players... '
That wasn't L'Equipe that started that but some other French newspaper. I've forgotten the name...Le Journal du Dimanche? I'm not sure but it wasn't L'Equipe.
What's more, l'Equipe came to Rafa's defence in that one. I don't buy L'Equipe every day, but from what I've read, they've always been very supportive towards Nadal.

Of course they could never come up with any proof whatsoever and the case got dismissed shortly thereafter.
One of those football teams sued that newspaper with success. Of course they didn't have any proof at all but once the rumor is out, it spreads.

Forehander
05-27-2009, 01:14 PM
Nadal will continue to win the French Open or even ramain as the world number one up to the age of 50-60 even by sitting in a wheelchair.

Sunset of Age
05-27-2009, 01:18 PM
That wasn't L'Equipe that started that but some other French newspaper. I've forgotten the name...Le Journal du Dimanche? I'm not sure but it wasn't L'Equipe.
What's more, l'Equipe came to Rafa's defence in that one. I don't buy L'Equipe every day, but from what I've read, they've always been very supportive towards Nadal.

One of those football teams sued that newspaper with success. Of course they didn't have any proof at all but once the rumor is out, it spreads.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction. :)

ShotmaKer
05-27-2009, 02:09 PM
Last time I checked, L'Equipe is quite neutral as far as the federer nadal rivalry is concerned. Although a lot of former "big names" french players do prefer Federer over Nadal... Arnaud Boetch's Federer interview of last sunday was just over realistic, I mean to like a player is one thing, but come on...

The Oracle
06-09-2009, 02:33 AM
Of course there are mind games. You have to take everything with a grain of salt. Everything. It's very rarely black or white. And mind you I love it when it is, like when a player just flat-out gets a sound beating or when they speak clearly about something. I love one Laver quote when, before the 1969 USO final against Tony Roche, a journalist asked him "Roche has beaten you five out of the seven times you've played this year, what do you have to say about that?", and he answered "did he ever win when it was important?". And then he proceded to defeat Roche clearly the following day. That's a rare example of black/white. The player says exactly what he's thinking, and the match shows exactly who's better. That's one of the main reasons why I like so much the old times. I don't think there was half the rumours, excuses, sneaky muttering as today. What you saw was what you got. There wasn't any big fuss about Laver having a stiff back or Newcombe touching his knees more than usual or Roche cutting his fingernails too short. It was tennis, period. There's too much fluff these days.

But admitting that you've lost simply because you've been outplayed will always be difficult, and understandably so to some extent.

Jeez I'm rambling... time to go to bed. :wavey:

I have to say tho that it is not completely out of the air.

Without his knees, I dont think he will get anywhere near the points that he got this year.

This year's hardcourt season will be the perfect indicator of his near future successes or otherwise.

hcfoo
06-09-2009, 02:39 AM
L'Equipe. Today's edition.

Bahhh...never trust the French source... especially when it reported about Spanish tennis player.

By the way, remember when L'Equipe reported about Monfils knee and how serious it was before the French Open?

SheepleBuster
06-09-2009, 02:42 AM
He means 3 years in top 100. Nadal will be out of top 3 if he doesn't go to Wimbledon since he won't be winning the U.S. open either.