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Is anyone else disappointed in Pavel?

waddle147
05-26-2009, 08:52 AM
To my surprise I see that Andrei is using his PR to enter another GS, having only played two matches since that embarrassment against Murray at AO.

Maybe this seems a bit harsh, but I think its a bit disgraceful that he's taking a spot in the draw away from someone who actually might win a match. There is no way that he can play for five sets, nor is there anyway that he can beat Haas (not exactly a top player either).

I see he's on the entry list for Wimbledon as well. How selfish can you get?

leng jai
05-26-2009, 09:01 AM
I'll be very disappointed in Pavel if he beats clay master Haasi.

prima donna
05-26-2009, 09:02 AM
Tennis isn't about altruism.

MariaV
05-26-2009, 09:06 AM
Tennis isn't about altruism.

:yeah: I agree with Prima! :eek:

oranges
05-26-2009, 09:18 AM
What's with the sudden surge of moral policemen?

waddle147
05-26-2009, 09:45 AM
The guy hasn't won a match in an ATP event since 2007. It's not even the use of the PR I'm complaining about. It's the fact that there is no way he can play for five sets, and he knows it. If he puts in a credible display today then I'll happily retract my statement, but I think that its about even money that he retires.

oranges
05-26-2009, 09:47 AM
So what, perhaps he'd like to make his farewells, get over it.

leng jai
05-26-2009, 10:00 AM
This thread will be funny (more funny) if Pavel wins.

Ivanatis
05-26-2009, 10:01 AM
This thread will be funny (more funny) if Pavel wins.

yup, it already is

fast_clay
05-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Tennis isn't about altruism.

this is a correct...


Pavel is also God so he can do anything he wants...

CooCooCachoo
05-26-2009, 10:37 AM
It's a weird decision, and I have mixed feelings about it, but I think Andrei's farewell at RG would be more fitting than at the AO. But maybe he will even continue after this? :unsure:

philosophicalarf
05-26-2009, 11:13 AM
I'm sure the tasty cheque will make up for his guilt.

aussie_fan
05-26-2009, 11:43 AM
Why should he feel guilty? If he is able to get a place in the draw then of course there's noting wrong it. What's wrong with trying pick up some rightful income.

Dumb thread.

Nathaliia
05-26-2009, 11:53 AM
I've heard he wants to say a definite goodbye in Bucharest.

I suspect the thread starter was #1 on the ALT list for Roland Garros.

oranges
05-26-2009, 12:28 PM
I suspect the thread starter was #1 on the ALT list for Roland Garros.

:lol: It crossed my mind as the only reason for such passion over the issue

Audacity
05-26-2009, 12:35 PM
He doesn't deserve to be playing ATP matches if he hasn't won one since 2007, and is only playing because of his PR.

leng jai
05-26-2009, 12:37 PM
:lol: It crossed my mind as the only reason for such passion over the issue

Or the 1st ALT's mum.

oranges
05-26-2009, 12:41 PM
Or the 1st ALT's mum.

Even better :D

Peta Pan
05-26-2009, 12:51 PM
:haha:

The guy wanted to have a "farewell tour" this year playing as many tournaments with his PR as he could and saying goodbye in Bucharest. I cannot see the problem with that. He's been a well loved player on the tour for many years and if the rules say he can have a PR then so be it!

I may be biased in this but I wish him well in anything he does.
Andrei :worship:

Goldenoldie
05-26-2009, 02:10 PM
I would have every sympathy for Pavel, but I seem to remember he announced his retirement after quitting against Murray. Of course he has every right to change his mind, and pick up his 15,000 euros for a first round loss, or whatever the figure is.

It's the system that's wrong, not the player who profits from it.

MariaV
05-26-2009, 02:19 PM
I suspect the thread starter was #1 on the ALT list for Roland Garros.

:lol: Indeed.
If he is healthy and fit enough to play now then by all means. He has every right to a 'farewell tour' then. :shrug:
I am not disappointed in him, I just wish him all the best in the future. :D

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 04:22 PM
What a bunch of morons.

Pavel is a legend and if he wants to play, he should play.

zethand
05-26-2009, 04:34 PM
Well, he need to eat, and they pay good for a 1st round, otherwise we wouldn't see players in qualies.

Goldenoldie
05-26-2009, 04:57 PM
What a bunch of morons.

Pavel is a legend and if he wants to play, he should play.


"A legend"?? Best ranking of 13, one ATP Masters singles title and 2 other titles. A very useful player, and from the little I've seen of him on television a genuine competitor and a decent sportsman, But a legend? Not according to my dictionary.

Or is this an example of the sarcasm for which you are famous on this forum?

oranges
05-26-2009, 06:55 PM
"A legend"?? Best ranking of 13, one ATP Masters singles title and 2 other titles. A very useful player, and from the little I've seen of him on television a genuine competitor and a decent sportsman, But a legend? Not according to my dictionary.

Or is this an example of the sarcasm for which you are famous on this forum?

Believe it or not, you don't need slam titles to be a legend.It's a strange new world outside the glory hunting.

GlennMirnyi
05-26-2009, 07:25 PM
Believe it or not, you don't need slam titles to be a legend.It's a strange new world outside the glory hunting.

Exactly.

I wrote a long post here but MTF didn't help.

Renaud
05-26-2009, 09:20 PM
1st alt qualified and beat James Blake so no reason for Leo Mayer's fan boys to be angry

Raquel
05-26-2009, 10:33 PM
While I think Andrei is entitled to use this PR ranking if he wants to, I wonder how much he would have really enjoyed this part of a "farewell tour" being a straight sets loss on a small court in front of maybe 100 people by the time it finished? Bucharest will be his real farewell so I wonder if this was worth it? I always liked him, so wish him well.

waddle147
05-26-2009, 11:36 PM
Moron? Really? There are a vast quantity of people on the forum who use any opportunity to belittle professional tennis players as "mugs".

I have nothing against Pavel per se. Never really saw much of him to be honest, because I was only sporadically into tennis when he was at his peak. However, those who are saying that Pavel is a legend and deserves it are missing the point. The fact of the matter is that he is doing it, and it doesn't matter about their personal opinions on him in judging the morality of his actions.

One of the above posters hit the nail on the head when they said that its the system and not the player's fault so much. It's a bit like golf, when the 70 year olds turn out at the Majors and get 25 over for 2 rounds. I don't feel that in the highly competitive world of mens tennis there should be allowed to be players who are allowed to deprive another of a spot in this manner, and lo and behold Pavel got a tanking today. If he wants to have a send off so bad then he could bother to play a bit more, or else enter the qualies to prove that he should be there on merit.

GlennMirnyi
05-27-2009, 02:52 AM
Pavel is a legend. If you can't grasp it, you're a moron.

oranges
05-27-2009, 06:50 AM
Waddle, is it so hard to grasp that a player who has made an impact on the tour over the years and is very much liked by many deserves some things out of respect alone. As Action Jackson would say, don't be a bean counter

waddle147
05-27-2009, 08:18 AM
Stop resorting to name-calling, saying that someone is a moron because they share a different opinion than you is a poor means of getting your argument across.

Maybe I've hit a nerve here in blaming Pavel for exploiting the system. But surely you can't defend the system whereby his ranking remains protected for so long. Cam't he enter the senior doubles if there is such a thing at RG?

oranges
05-27-2009, 09:14 AM
I've never called you a moron, so maybe I've hit the nail. In any case, not worth the bother. Continue whining.

Peta Pan
05-27-2009, 09:19 AM
Maybe I've hit a nerve here in blaming Pavel for exploiting the system. But surely you can't defend the system whereby his ranking remains protected for so long. Cam't he enter the senior doubles if there is such a thing at RG?

Why the fuck would he want to enter the SENIOR doubles when he made the final of Kitzbuhel last week (beating Fyrstenberg/Matkowski and Melzer/Knowle) and the 3rd round of the Australian Open main draw doubles? There is nothing wrong with his doubles play at all.

Frooty_Bazooty
05-27-2009, 11:08 AM
I wouldnt mind turning up to get thumped by Haas for €15,000

jitterbug
05-27-2009, 11:14 AM
Waddle, is it so hard to grasp that a player who has made an impact on the tour over the years and is very much liked by many deserves some things out of respect alone.

Bravo!