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The Federer drop shot

marcRD
05-26-2009, 07:21 AM
He used to say he didnt like it, he used to think his forehand topspin is so strong he would never have a reason to play dropshots from that side.

But now in the 2009 clay season and he is using it much more frequently than Djokovic and Nadal and not only that, he is almost 100% effective with his dropshots (unlike lets say Djokovic who maybe only wins 50% of his dropshot attempts). Is it just me or does Federer have the greatest drop shot in the game at the moment?

Thats kind of weird, just 2 years ago you would never ever see Federer using a forehand dropshot, now he uses it all the time. He has truly mastered the dropshot from both wings, that must be the greatest improvement I have seen from Federer in his declining years.

MrChopin
05-26-2009, 07:29 AM
You must have missed the thread where this came up. I'll summarize the general trend as it went:

- Fed used to look down on the drop shot because he is arrogant.
- Some Fedtards didn't have their story straight on Fed's opinion concerning the DS.
- Now Fed realizes that he needs more to beat Nadal because he is no longer good enough to win like he used to.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 07:34 AM
The drop shot obviously is the best approach shot against Nadal if he wants to go to the net.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 07:38 AM
You must have missed the thread where this came up. I'll summarize the general trend as it went:

- Fed used to look down on the drop shot because he is arrogant.
- Some Fedtards didn't have their story straight on Fed's opinion concerning the DS.
- Now Fed realizes that he needs more to beat Nadal because he is no longer good enough to win like he used to.

Yeah, didnt see anyone talk about the Federer dropshot in a thread, it deserves a thread of its own. Its that good in my opinion, Coria and Kuerten used to do it even better but in this generation Federer 2009 seems to be the only top player with a topclass dropshot. His backhand dropshot is absolutely magnificent as it spins away from the opponent and the forehand is so great because of the anticipation other players have of his great forehands make the use of the dropshot so effective and the fact that he can go in and cover the net means he gets even more out of his dropshots.

Criollo
05-26-2009, 07:56 AM
Is it just me or does Federer have the greatest drop shot in the game at the moment?

No, it's not just you. Djokovic does it also very well, but Fed is displaying really good ones lately.

Dropshot has a tactical aspect similar to the net attack. Usually, the point ends very soon. By this, it helps to avoid rallies, it keeps the opponent alerted and unconmfortable and it helps well to break rhythm.

Chiseller
05-26-2009, 08:04 AM
Djokovic does it also very well..


Djokovic's dropshot is as good as Karlovic's ground game.

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 08:09 AM
federer is a mindless ball basher, he only has a good forehand.

TennisViewer531
05-26-2009, 08:12 AM
Federer had to change his strategy eventually...

feuselino
05-26-2009, 08:20 AM
Go Fed, dropshot your way to the career slam!!

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 08:30 AM
Djokovic's and especially Nadal's dropshots are also outstanding shots. Djokovic just tends to overuse it.

Federer has indeed improved that aspect of his game, and it's paying dividends.

Julio
05-26-2009, 08:38 AM
Federer's dropshot is simply amazing. He is using it well since Madrid. He knows how & when to do it.

TheMightyFed
05-26-2009, 08:58 AM
His improved dropshot, his volley and his deporting kick serve are his weapons to win the French, beating Nadal on the way. He grooved them in Madrid and yesterday against Martin.
Fed realised that Nadal is vulnerable if you make him move back and forth, he's not the retriever he used to be, as he changed his game for faster surfaces, plus he's so far back on returns... next new weapon for Fed is the underhand serve !
Interestingly I watched Nadal training in Roland Garros and he was working quite a lot on retrieving dropshots.

vamosinator
05-26-2009, 09:21 AM
I tell you who has the best dropshot on tour - Rafael Nadal. Did you see how many times he used it on breakpoints and other big points in the Aust Open Final? I'd say no player has ever used it at more crucial times in one match. Agassi used it a lot too on big points, though not as much as Nadal did v Federer.

Byrd
05-26-2009, 09:43 AM
Murray's is better to be honest, with the amount of disguise he puts on it and sidespin it's hard to read.

leng jai
05-26-2009, 09:48 AM
I tell you who has the best dropshot on tour - Rafael Nadal. Did you see how many times he used it on breakpoints and other big points in the Aust Open Final? I'd say no player has ever used it at more crucial times in one match. Agassi used it a lot too on big points, though not as much as Nadal did v Federer.

Haas has the best drop shot on tour. Am I doing it right?

Dini
05-26-2009, 09:50 AM
Haas has the best drop shot on your. Am I doing it right?

:lol: :rolls: :yeah:

vamosinator
05-26-2009, 09:54 AM
Trademark fed/fedfan arrogance ^^^^^

Commander Data
05-26-2009, 10:01 AM
Thread summary: All top players and Haas have the best drop shot. Fed is arrogant.

or alternatively: Your favorite player has the best drop shot. Fedhaters say Fed is arrogant.



....Wow, some deep shit right there!

Byrd
05-26-2009, 10:05 AM
Thread summary: All top players and Haas have the best drop shot. Fed is arrogant.

or alternatively: Your favorite player has the best drop shot. Fedhaters say Fed is arrogant.



....Wow, some deep shit right there!

Well done, have a medal.

Dini
05-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Trademark fed/fedfan arrogance ^^^^^

:D

Dini
05-26-2009, 10:11 AM
Some more arrogance:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/lief.jpg

Dini
05-26-2009, 10:19 AM
I think theRAFA and modern tennis should get married. Match made in heaven! :aparty:

leng jai
05-26-2009, 10:38 AM
I think theRAFA and modern tennis should get married. Match made in heaven! :aparty:

Or at the very least, make love.

miura
05-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Why is the mods ignoring the fact that modern tennis is a double account?

LEGENDOFTENNIS
05-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Why are you guys going so mad? Prime example modern tennis. You obviously have some issues mate, if you work so hard to defend a TENNIS PLAYER who most likely doesen't give a crap about you. Just relax and stop being an idiot.

Byrd
05-26-2009, 10:47 AM
Why are you guys going so mad? Prime example modern tennis. You obviously have some issues mate, if you work so hard to defend a TENNIS PLAYER who most likely doesen't give a crap about you. Just relax and stop being an idiot.

Welcome to MTF, enjoy your stay.

Matt01
05-26-2009, 10:50 AM
Some more arrogance:


That arrogant mug! :fiery:

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:50 AM
Why is the mods ignoring the fact that modern tennis is a double account?

Because of posters like you who haven't mastered the most basic rules of English grammar.

Just kidding. ;)


The thing is so obvious it's not even funny... I liked theRAFA a lot better when he was just a harmless troll who just wrote a colon and the two last words under the rest.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:52 AM
Some more arrogance:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/CG_Brouwer/Rogi_Rafa/lief.jpg

:lol:

They look like two old men after their Sunday match.

Dini
05-26-2009, 10:55 AM
:lol:

They look like two old men after their Sunday match.

:haha: :help:

modern tennis
05-26-2009, 11:02 AM
Why is the mods ignoring the fact that modern tennis is a double account?

what the hell are u on about? i only joined this forum this month and people are saying i am a double account. i also talk in tennis warehouse forum, but decided to join this forum as well. this is false accusations and abuse directed at me. i have never been on this forum until this month, so i didnt even know about this forum until this month. just leave me alone.

miura
05-26-2009, 11:04 AM
what the hell are u on about? i only joined this forum this month and people are saying i am a double account. i also talk in tennis warehouse forum, but decided to join this forum as well. this is false accusations and abuse directed at me. i have never been on this forum until this month, so i didnt even know about this forum until this month. just leave me alone.
Who enters this forum and in the very first posts starts to attack and spew out hatred like a machine? That's the typical behaviour of a previously banned user.

Go back to TTW :wavey:

superslam77
05-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Thread summary: All top players and Haas have the best drop shot. Fed is arrogant.

or alternatively: Your favorite player has the best drop shot. Fedhaters say Fed is arrogant.



....Wow, some deep shit right there!

:worship: What he said.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 12:47 PM
theRAFA and modern tennis just dominates every thread about Federer and turn everybody's attention to them or to something completely offtopic like Federer crying in the australian open.

Modetopia
05-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Thread summary: All top players and Haas have the best drop shot. Fed is arrogant.

or alternatively: Your favorite player has the best drop shot. Fedhaters say Fed is arrogant.



....Wow, some deep shit right there!

hit the right nail on the head.:worship:

BackhandMissile
05-26-2009, 01:45 PM
It was looking very good against Martin yesterday, but most of the time Federer could use the dropshot was when he got short returns to the forehand side, whereas Nadal will be playing as many long balls as he can against Federer, and definitely more to the backhand side than the forehand.

fred perry
05-26-2009, 01:49 PM
fed only played a few matches during CC season and some of those were against US players. Fed would do well to beat Nole and then take a set off of the King. :wavey:

habibko
05-26-2009, 03:49 PM
Yeah, didnt see anyone talk about the Federer dropshot in a thread, it deserves a thread of its own. Its that good in my opinion, Coria and Kuerten used to do it even better but in this generation Federer 2009 seems to be the only top player with a topclass dropshot. His backhand dropshot is absolutely magnificent as it spins away from the opponent and the forehand is so great because of the anticipation other players have of his great forehands make the use of the dropshot so effective and the fact that he can go in and cover the net means he gets even more out of his dropshots.

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enough said.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 04:03 PM
The drop shot is a pussy shot. It's cheating.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 04:11 PM
The drop shot is a pussy shot. It's cheating.

I guess Federer is becoming a pussy and feels the need to cheat to beat Nadal.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 04:13 PM
I guess Federer is becoming a pussy and feels the need to cheat to beat Nadal.

It's a pussy shot when Rafa does it too. It should be banned. You have to win playing manly tennis only.

habibko
05-26-2009, 04:15 PM
It's a pussy shot when Rafa does it too. It should be banned. You have to win playing manly tennis only.

says the guy who said "real men wear pink".

:silly:

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 04:18 PM
The drop shot is a pussy shot. It's cheating.

Why? Come on, shoot.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 04:19 PM
Why? Come on, shoot.

Well, he could use the argument that the master of dropshots was Coria and Coria probably is the greatest pussy this sport has ever seen.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 04:20 PM
I mean come on. Can you imagine instead of ferocious baseline rallies with 100mph forehands, every point ends on a pussy dropshot instead of blazing winners?

marcRD
05-26-2009, 04:22 PM
I mean come on. Can you imagine instead of ferocious baseline rallies with 100mph forehands, every point ends on a pussy dropshot instead of blazing winners?

HAve you seen the WTA? Alot of pussies (literally) and few know how to play a dropshot.

Guga_fan
05-26-2009, 04:22 PM
I really like Federer's dropshot and he is doing well by using it more often, especially because it can be really useful against Nadal.

But in my opinion his dropshot is not the best, no one uses it better than Nalbandian.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 04:23 PM
says the guy who said "real men wear pink".

:silly:

Only when Rafa wears pink.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 04:25 PM
Only when Rafa wears pink.

When did you become a fan of Rafa? I thought you were a hardcore fedtard who disliked the Rafa.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 04:26 PM
When did you become a fan of Rafa? I thought you were a hardcore fedtard who disliked the Rafa.

I guess you missed the new avatar and signature, moron.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 04:32 PM
FF_2007 is a bandwagoner extraordinaire, if Muzza starts winning slams, wait and see him jumping on that :lol:

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 04:32 PM
I mean come on. Can you imagine instead of ferocious baseline rallies with 100mph forehands, every point ends on a pussy dropshot instead of blazing winners?

BREAKING NEWS: A drop-shot, if unreturned, is a winner.

I was about to start telling you about the usefulness and legitimacy of the drop-shot, but I'd rather watch some tennis.

marcRD
05-26-2009, 04:42 PM
I guess you missed the new avatar and signature, moron.

No, I didnt. That is why I am asking just when did you become a Rafa fan? You used to have Federer on your avatar and in your signature too (I think). Please no reason for namecalling.

HattonWBA
05-26-2009, 05:17 PM
Its an excellent shot and a nice addition to his arsenal

groundstroke
05-26-2009, 05:17 PM
He used to say he didnt like it, he used to think his forehand topspin is so strong he would never have a reason to play dropshots from that side.

But now in the 2009 clay season and he is using it much more frequently than Djokovic and Nadal and not only that, he is almost 100% effective with his dropshots (unlike lets say Djokovic who maybe only wins 50% of his dropshot attempts). Is it just me or does Federer have the greatest drop shot in the game at the moment?

Thats kind of weird, just 2 years ago you would never ever see Federer using a forehand dropshot, now he uses it all the time. He has truly mastered the dropshot from both wings, that must be the greatest improvement I have seen from Federer in his declining years.

An indication that you haven't been watching Federer for very long, you have no idea what you're talking about.

groundstroke
05-26-2009, 05:28 PM
I really like Federer's dropshot and he is doing well by using it more often, especially because it can be really useful against Nadal.

But in my opinion his dropshot is not the best, no one uses it better than Nalbandian.

In the top 20 Federer's drop shot is by far the best, and out of the top 20 only about 3 players are competing for a Grand Slam or any Masters event (Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) and Federer's drop shot is better than the other two.

FedFan_2007
05-26-2009, 05:30 PM
I'd say Rafa's is more battle-tested drop shot.

Arkulari
05-26-2009, 05:38 PM
Rafa's FH dropshot is good, but not as good as Roger's BH dropshot ;)

marcRD
05-26-2009, 05:56 PM
An indication that you haven't been watching Federer for very long, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ofcourse I have, I have been watching him since 2001. Anyway, he started using the forehand dropshot 2008. I specifically remember a match against Monfils on clay (rome, monte carlo?) where he used the forehand dropshot 3-4 times and that hadnt been seen before. Now I watched him use the FH dropshot against Del Potro that many times in just one game.

r3d_d3v1l_
05-26-2009, 08:51 PM
He used always the dropshot in his career. The difference is that 2 years ago his dropshot wasn´t really that necessary. He had the game to beat anyone, without overusing that shot.

Now Federer´s arsenal is somewhat limited (not limited, but not that efficient), so he is using the secundary shots to prevail in the matches.

scarecrows
05-26-2009, 09:58 PM
I'd like to call it the Starace effect

he's used them with good efficiency against Nadal in their clay matches. Surely Federer thinks this can be a good addition to his clay game against nadal

MacTheKnife
05-26-2009, 10:26 PM
His drop shot has always been good, but his selection of spots to use it is a lot better in his last few matches. IMO, he's just setting it up a lot better.

Har-Tru
05-26-2009, 10:32 PM
He has realised he just has to bring Nadal closer to the baseline so he can do more damage with his groundstrokes.

Dini
05-26-2009, 10:44 PM
Just have to throw this in here. :p

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eskinol
06-07-2009, 01:50 PM
It's astonishing how well he hits and disguises that shot. The last guy I remember who did it so well is Agassi late in his career. He's using it almost five times a set, and it still works pretty well.

Will he continue to hit drop shots after the French Open or will he get back to his silly show-off crap about how it's an ugly shot?

andylovesaustin
06-07-2009, 02:02 PM
Roger "drop-shot" Federer, esq, GOAT is king of the drop-shot... and more! :lol:

miura
06-07-2009, 02:22 PM
It works better on clay than any other surface but I think he will indeed mix his game up and play a dropshop here and there.

MisterQ
06-07-2009, 02:28 PM
Agassi's dropshots were almost exclusively on the backhand side. (I always wondered why he didn't try perfecting it on the forehand side as well). Federer's forehand dropshot is doing wonders for him in this tournament.

Babolat - Dan
06-07-2009, 02:29 PM
it is one hell of a weapon he has developed.
With players staying so far back these days; it works a treat!

Johnny Groove
06-07-2009, 02:32 PM
He really should. I'd imagine the drop would die on grass and could be pretty effective on hard.

andylovesaustin
06-07-2009, 02:34 PM
I wonder if it would work as well against someone with better movement. I don't recall him drop-shotting Rafa quite as much in recent tournaments--like in Madrid(?), but I may have blocked it out! :lol:

eskinol
06-07-2009, 02:35 PM
Agassi's dropshots were almost exclusively on the backhand side. (I always wondered why he didn't try perfecting it on the forehand side as well). Federer's forehand dropshot is doing wonders for him in this tournament.

Yeah, I also seem to remember Agassi mostly did the backhand down-the-line dropshot, and typically from somewhat inside the court. The variety on Roger's drop-shots is much greater. He also doesn't seem to net it as much.

I do think Agassi's backhand drop-shot was even harder to read, and very aesthetically satisfying.

tennizen
06-07-2009, 02:46 PM
I remember a time when he would refuse to hit drop-shots. Something about them upsetting the rhythm of play. Glad to see he changed his mind:lol:

DJ Soup
06-07-2009, 02:48 PM
He really should dropshot his way to 20 Grand Slams

andylovesaustin
06-07-2009, 02:51 PM
I remember a time when he would refuse to hit drop-shots. Something about them upsetting the rhythm of play. Glad to see he changed his mind:lol:

Actually, I read a quote from him here where he basically said, "Drop-shots are for sissys!"

But the upside is that sissys want to win tournaments, too!

Goldenoldie
06-07-2009, 02:53 PM
He should use whatever works for him

andylovesaustin
06-07-2009, 02:58 PM
He should use whatever works for him

Exactly!

Why discriminate? :lol:

Moonballs, drop-shots-it's all good.

Edited to add--as long as it's working and winning matches!

DorianGray7
06-08-2009, 06:01 PM
Reading these forums I really see total partisans of every colour... so I can't expect too much objectivity but I want to know why do so many people criticize Federer's drop-shot?

I always root for Federer because he is the embodiment of finesse over brute force that represents the vast majority of players these days. Nadal, Soderling, Djoker, Monfis all pretty much employ a baseline power hitting tactic and win games by simply overpowering their opponent. Federer is an all-court balanced player who has everything from volleys to drop-shots. Rarely does he play the power head-butt game. and Yet Federer's playing smart is a whimpy thing?

Why waste the energy in a power-hitting duel against Nadal who likes to show off his muscles and win by smacking the ball faster and harder than anyone else like an animal? As a matter of fact, a properly done drop-shot is even harder than a power duel on the baseline.

People really need to get over Fed's drop-shot. He's only giving his big-muscle power hitting opponents what they deserve since they really can't do anything other than smack the ball as hard as they can.

BackhandMissile
06-08-2009, 06:05 PM
It's a very well executed drop shot. If people are complaining, it's probably because they get annoyed seeing the other player not get to it.

I personally don't critisize any shot in tennis, not even the moonball that a lot of people complain about as well. If it's legit, go for it.

MatchFederer
06-08-2009, 06:06 PM
I thought it was only that Austinlovesandy or whatever 1st class/magna cum laude muppet guy who is mocking that excellent shot.

Action Jackson
06-08-2009, 06:07 PM
The double account strikes again.

It's only andylovesaustin who has an unnatural level of love for Federer.

MatchFederer
06-08-2009, 06:09 PM
The double account strikes again.

It's only andylovesaustin who has an unnatural level of love for Federer.

Ah yes, that's his name...

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 06:12 PM
I think it annoys them that not only can Roger play the power game as good as anyone, but he's the best at drop shots too. Although Santoro might disagree with that. :angel:

r3d_d3v1l_
06-08-2009, 06:15 PM
Because they really can´t appreciate such a beautiful shot. Pure class.

calvinhobbes
06-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Drop shot is the best weapon against ultra-baseliners, which Roger is not. Even a drop shot effectivity of 50% is a good business because of the effort involved in answering it. I dont see any moral issue in using this weapon, as every player can use it at his own convenience. Those who invoke moral or aesthetical reasons for banning the drop shot should also ban standing behind the baseline.

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Drop shot is the best weapon against ultra-baseliners, which Roger is not. Even a drop shot effectivity of 50% is a good business because of the effort involved in answering it. I dont see any moral issue in using this weapon, as every player can use it at his own convenience. Those who invoke moral or aesthetical reasons for banning the drop shot should also ban standing behind the baseline.

Exactly. Tennis used to be S/V, so this standing 3meters behind the baseline business is not traditional either. However some 'tards would have us believe that ultra-baselining is "manly" and if you deviate from it at all you are a pansy.

chenx15
06-08-2009, 06:42 PM
Drop shots are part of the game to keep the opponent guessing, run that extra mile to tire them down, and to get into the opponents head.

BodyServe
06-08-2009, 06:56 PM
It's pretty lame.

A so called goat (as everyone is making him out to be), who thought it was a coward shot should be able to master his opponents from the back of the court.

shaoyu
06-08-2009, 07:11 PM
Federer finally has mastered the dropshot, which makes him even more complete.
He no longer dispises this shot because he is more mature and wise.
The dropshot not only helped him to win this RG, but will also help prolong his era.

sawan66278
06-08-2009, 07:52 PM
To me, it was something he should have done years ago. It may be the best drop shot since Johnny Mac.

finishingmove
06-08-2009, 07:53 PM
the answer to your questions is because he was dissing it himself up until recently

Criollo
06-08-2009, 08:04 PM
Drop shot is the best weapon against ultra-baseliners ...
A weapon! How unfair!

I'm shocked, shocked, shocked.

theprodigy
06-08-2009, 08:16 PM
It's pretty lame.

A so called goat (as everyone is making him out to be), who thought it was a coward shot should be able to master his opponents from the back of the court.

you, sir, are an idiot.

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 08:20 PM
Yeah I'm sure Leyton Hewitt can tell you all about Roger's "Finesse game" from that 2004 USO final. :retard: Fact is player evolves and develops more varied game to continue winning. Some of you make it out as though he's cheating.

peribsen
06-08-2009, 08:20 PM
For very much the same reasons some people think Nadal is only about moonballing: hate and/or envy.

Some would have it that a beautiful stroke such as Federer's drop-shot is a defect, the same way others would have finding a way to defeat such a superb talent as Federer's in 5 GS finals as an insult to tennis. Which leaves one wondering what on earth is tennis supposed to be about!

Let them hate, I´ll keep enjoying Fed's privileged wrists and Rafa's will to burrow a way to victory in front of such a fabulous rival.

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 08:24 PM
Yeah I have to agree, it's hate/envy. It's a really beautiful shot, Novak tries it but fails horribly.

Or Levy
06-08-2009, 09:03 PM
I have to say, he played it so much during this tournament. I don't think he missed two (meaning two that landed in the net), and maybe 2 or three more which were bad.

Djoko and Murray use the DS all the time, and they aren't half as good as he is.

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 09:06 PM
Well Nole and Murray are only 22. Surely their DS will get better. I doubt Fed's DS was very good at 22. Maybe he dissed it earlier on in his career because he sucked at it.

andylovesaustin
06-08-2009, 09:12 PM
I have to say, he played it so much during this tournament. I don't think he missed two (meaning two that landed in the net), and maybe 2 or three more which were bad.

Djoko and Murray use the DS all the time, and they aren't half as good as he is.

I know.. That's what I'm talking about.

He's Dr. Roger "king of the drop-shot and more," Federer,esq., GOAT.

"Drop-shot's" his name and "drop-shot's" his game!

:wavey:

See ya'll at Wimby! :devil:

FedorEmelianenko
06-20-2009, 10:51 PM
I stoped watching tennis for a while after the Australian Open because my satellite tv went down and I lost all connection to the world. I get it back right after madrid at the begining of the french and I see roger throwing more drop shots than ever before.

Can anyone explain to me how, why and when this started happening? It obviously worked great for him and I hope he does it more and more often.

FlavorNuts
06-21-2009, 02:59 AM
i think in all the clay MS leading up to RG.
because opponents stand way behind the baseline/for variety/good clay courters(rafa) pass you if you hit a forehand approach every time

miura
06-21-2009, 03:11 AM
He's always been able to produce unreal dropshots. I guess he figured he could shorten the points even more with some dropshotting during the clay season!

dodo
06-21-2009, 08:47 AM
he thought it was a "pansy" shot. took him a year of nasty beatings to come to the conclusion that he cant just blast everyone off the court any more and has to use his full arsenal of weapons to dig out wins. especially against all the tall guys and retrievers that stand behind the linejudges.
and yes, rare as they were, they were sublime even before this year.

Bargearse
06-21-2009, 08:55 AM
I'm glad Federer has finally started using the drop shot and doing something different. He was making a lot of unforced errors on the baseline and seemed to be too stubborn to change his tactics.

Quakes
06-21-2009, 09:46 AM
He's always been able to produce unreal dropshots. I guess he figured he could shorten the points even more with some dropshotting during the clay season!

Always? On the backhand, yes. The Pam Shriver-style forehand slice drop is a relatively new improvement, and an outstanding one at that.

Sunset of Age
06-21-2009, 12:25 PM
I'm glad Federer has finally started using the drop shot and doing something different. He was making a lot of unforced errors on the baseline and seemed to be too stubborn to change his tactics.

That looks like the case, indeed. I guess he finally realized he wouldn't be able to beat his opponents by grinding it out from the baseline anymore. Nothing too early... but fortunately not too late. The DS worked like a charm for him lately, hope he shows us some more at Wimbly soon. :D

Commander Data
06-21-2009, 12:59 PM
He's always been able to produce unreal dropshots. I guess he figured he could shorten the points even more with some dropshotting during the clay season!

federer is using the dropshot as weapon against the players that Play 6 m behind the basline. he said that he found it more and more difficult to hit the new generation of players off court because they stand so far behind and retrieve everything. He tries to use the DS as a weapon against those players and also to force them closer to the basline.

timafi
06-21-2009, 01:01 PM
his drop shots are great:yeah:;especially off the backhand but his forehand drop shots can be better:shrug:

andylovesaustin
06-21-2009, 01:05 PM
There never was and will never be again a player like Roger "king of the dropshot and more" Federer, esq., GOAT!

:wavey:

:)

MacTheKnife
06-21-2009, 01:10 PM
federer is using the dropshot as weapon against the players that Play 6 m behind the basline. he said that he found it more and more difficult to hit the new generation of players off court because they stand so far behind and retrieve everything. He tries to use the DS as a weapon against those players and also to force them closer to the basline.

I agree with this, and I know he did not used to like it. But due to the above, he started using that short slice BH, then when he saw the effectiveness of that, it almost naturally evolved into increased use of the DS.
But the bottom line is, I agree with you, more of a tactical adjustment based on how his competition is now playing.

dodo
06-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Always? On the backhand, yes. The Pam Shriver-style forehand slice drop is a relatively new improvement, and an outstanding one at that.
That one seems to be the new "cool thing" all around the tour. Murray seems to be particularly good at it, too.
Sort of like the drive-volley suddenly took over the wta tour a few years ago.

Boboskidaj
06-21-2009, 01:53 PM
Djokovic's dropshot is as good as Karlovic's ground game.:lol: you mean to say he has a good dropshot or what because Karlovic has a fabulous forehand actually, players are really scared of it so they play to his backhand which couldn't scare a kitten.

habibko
06-21-2009, 05:56 PM
I can't think of any player on tour who can execute dropshots with such brilliance from both the forehand and backhand wings, Nadal only dropshots with his forehand and only when he is well inside the baseline, Murray dropshots with his backhand and it's usually an extremely short slice sort of thing, Djokovic has a great backhand dropshot but non-existent forehand dropshot.

Federer has truly mastered this shot, he can execute it from both wings and from anywhere on the court, even his positioning after the shot is perfect :worship:

DrJules
06-21-2009, 05:59 PM
federer is using the dropshot as weapon against the players that Play 6 m behind the basline. he said that he found it more and more difficult to hit the new generation of players off court because they stand so far behind and retrieve everything. He tries to use the DS as a weapon against those players and also to force them closer to the basline.

I agree with this, and I know he did not used to like it. But due to the above, he started using that short slice BH, then when he saw the effectiveness of that, it almost naturally evolved into increased use of the DS.
But the bottom line is, I agree with you, more of a tactical adjustment based on how his competition is now playing.

I can't think of any player on tour who can execute dropshots with such brilliance from both the forehand and backhand wings, Nadal only dropshots with his forehand and only when he is well inside the baseline, Murray dropshots with his backhand and it's usually an extremely short slice sort of thing, Djokovic has a great backhand dropshot but non-existent forehand dropshot.

Federer has truly mastered this shot, he can execute it from both wings and from anywhere on the court, even his positioning after the shot is perfect :worship:

It is easier for Federer to play the shot as he plays on and inside the baseline. Murray plays so deep he has left a sizeable space near the net for drop shots from opponents.

luie
06-21-2009, 06:09 PM
It could be a great shot against Murray imo. Keeping him guessing & not settling at the back-court comfortable.One of the reason Murray has been successful against federer is that he stands so far back he has "time" to run down a lot of balls and put them back in play,thus over time forcing an error. If he stands closer to the baseline he will have less time to play his shots.In short if Murray stays closer to the baseline it will be "easier" to hit through him.
The other Murray advantage is his ROS.Fed is going to have to serve great & play aggressive to beat murray but imo the drop shot will be helpful in that regard.