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Would you be surprised if Nadal beat Federer in straight sets this Wimbledon?

vamosinator
05-24-2009, 01:23 PM
Last year Nadal was up 2 sets to love and looking impressive in the 3rd set before the rain. So having seen that I see it as a likely scenario this year, plus it appeared Nadal was sharper in 2007 (apart from the 5th set) so he can play better than he did in 2008.

This is Sparta
05-24-2009, 01:26 PM
No. It was surprising that last year Nadal didnt make it in straight sets

Cloudygirl
05-24-2009, 01:28 PM
Actually I would be very surprised.

MacTheKnife
05-24-2009, 01:28 PM
I seem to recall Federer was going for 6 straight. This might have been a factor, no???

Beforehand
05-24-2009, 01:39 PM
I'd be surprised.

out_here_grindin
05-24-2009, 01:41 PM
I'll think about after the French.

habibko
05-24-2009, 01:59 PM
would I be surprised if theRAFA jumped off a cliff when Federer beats Nadal in straights this Wimbledon?

No.

Langers
05-24-2009, 02:01 PM
I'd be surprised if he won let alone won in straight sets.

BackhandMissile
05-24-2009, 02:16 PM
The funny thing is that I wouldn't be surprised either way (Rafa straight sets or Fed straight sets).

Ackms421
05-24-2009, 02:17 PM
I'd be surprised if he won let alone won in straight sets.

Yes, no doubt all the same people who were "surprised" last year would be "surprised" again this year. I think Nadal will continue to "surprise" you. ;)

christallh24
05-24-2009, 02:24 PM
I'd be surprised if he won let alone won in straight sets.

Why?

Burrow
05-24-2009, 02:25 PM
I'd be surprised if you stopped making these pointless threads.

Myrre
05-24-2009, 02:26 PM
Federer was very nervous last year and played like crap the first two sets. Won't happen again.

vamosinator
05-24-2009, 02:26 PM
I don't think there is any logic behind expecting Federer to beat Nadal in straight sets. There is no trend existing for that in the slams, whereas plenty of trend pointing to a one-sided Nadal win. Most of their battles are in 5 sets but because Nadal won in straight sets on clay (in the most emphatic way) it is likely he eventually wins straight sets on grass (as almost happened last year) or hardcourt as the gap increases when Federer gets old.

Garson007
05-24-2009, 02:29 PM
I'd be surprised if they meet.

Montego
05-24-2009, 02:30 PM
Surprised - yes. Shocked - no.

out_here_grindin
05-24-2009, 02:34 PM
How is an epic 5 setter suddenly an almost straight set Nadal win?

Ackms421
05-24-2009, 02:41 PM
How is an epic 5 setter suddenly an almost straight set Nadal win?

Because Nadal was up two sets to love and had triple-break point in the third set. Also, looking at the big picture, Federer only broke Nadal once in five sets. Without tie-breakers, it would have been a straight-set victory for Nadal.

BackhandMissile
05-24-2009, 02:51 PM
I don't think there is any logic behind expecting Federer to beat Nadal in straight sets. There is no trend existing for that in the slams, whereas plenty of trend pointing to a one-sided Nadal win. Most of their battles are in 5 sets but because Nadal won in straight sets on clay (in the most emphatic way) it is likely he eventually wins straight sets on grass or hardcourt as the gap increases when Federer gets old.

It depends on Nadal's form. Don't forget that he has looked rusty at times too. In the US Open he was quite shaky, and when Murray beat him he looked clueless.

In the Australian he had to dig deep against Verdasco (who did play a great game, to his credit). Just before he had lost to Monfils.

Del Potro had him in Miami, Djokovic pushed him on clay, he looked a bit lost in the Madrid finals.

Now of course, there are reasons for a lot of these losses, but the reasons can arise again. There's no guarantee of him going into every grand slam without getting tired at any point.

On his day, Nadal can take anyone. But just like anyone else, he could have an off-day, and that's all it takes.

If Nadal, like Federer, is saving the big performances for the grand slams, then all the better for him (and I guess we will have to wait for wimbledon to see this).

arm
05-24-2009, 02:53 PM
How cool, one more "lets worship Nadal" thread. :bigclap:

Goldenoldie
05-24-2009, 02:54 PM
I'd be surprised if they meet.

Just what I was going to say!

vamosinator
05-24-2009, 05:09 PM
It depends on Nadal's form. Don't forget that he has looked rusty at times too. In the US Open he was quite shaky, and when Murray beat him he looked clueless.

In the Australian he had to dig deep against Verdasco (who did play a great game, to his credit). Just before he had lost to Monfils.

Del Potro had him in Miami, Djokovic pushed him on clay, he looked a bit lost in the Madrid finals.

Now of course, there are reasons for a lot of these losses, but the reasons can arise again. There's no guarantee of him going into every grand slam without getting tired at any point.

On his day, Nadal can take anyone. But just like anyone else, he could have an off-day, and that's all it takes.

If Nadal, like Federer, is saving the big performances for the grand slams, then all the better for him (and I guess we will have to wait for wimbledon to see this).

But what have those got to do with Federer beating Nadal in straight sets in a slam? Someone said that Nadal losing to Federer in a slam straight sets is just as likely as Federer losing to Nadal straight sets, and I say there is no trend suggesting thats even possible in a slam for Nadal.

Nadal always lifts for slams and even when he was playing jaded in the Aust Open Final it was enough for an easy 6-2 fifth set. So Nadal's off-day still beats Federer and wasn't far from beating Murray last year in the US Open (in 4 sets Nadal won a set and took another set to a breaker, and was up a break in 4th set).

BackhandMissile
05-24-2009, 05:33 PM
But what have those got to do with Federer beating Nadal in straight sets in a slam? Someone said that Nadal losing to Federer in a slam straight sets is just as likely as Federer losing to Nadal straight sets, and I say there is no trend suggesting thats even possible in a slam for Nadal.

The statistics are in line with what you're saying. So far, Nadal has had a string of mostly great performances in Grand Slams. Last years RG/Wimbledon double was of unbelievable standards, and I would be impressed to see Rafa repeat it this year.

However, if Nadal meets Federer on a day when his serve is ticking nicely (like it did for most of Wimbledon last year), then it would only take three well-timed breaks of serve (again, something that Federer did very effectively until the final last year), to make it a straight sets affair.

Of course this is easier said than done. Nadal's return of serve is good on his day (it was pretty poor at Madrid), and in rallies I have him a favourite against anybody.

But like I said before, on their day both are capable of taking the other out in straights. I agree that the way things are going, it's more probable that Nadal has one of those days than Federer.


Nadal always lifts for slams and even when he was playing jaded in the Aust Open Final it was enough for an easy 6-2 fifth set. So Nadal's off-day still beats Federer and wasn't far from beating Murray last year in the US Open (in 4 sets Nadal won a set and took another set to a breaker, and was up a break in 4th set)

In the USO against Murray he never really looked in control, but to be fair that was a rare performance for Nadal.

One thing is for sure. If Nadal repeats the RG/Wimbledon double this year, then I personally think he's almost guaranteed to win the US Open. He has had a very good hard court season so far, and with 3 consecutive GS's in the pocket, nothing short of a natural disaster would be able to stop Nadal at the USO. He will go all out.

vamosinator
05-24-2009, 05:47 PM
^ agree with all that good smartness :D

Fedex
05-24-2009, 06:40 PM
No chance.

StanisKing
05-24-2009, 06:46 PM
Would you be surprised if Nadal doesn't make even the quarters?

Noleta
05-24-2009, 06:46 PM
No:p

madmax
05-24-2009, 06:58 PM
not gonna happen, sorry...in fact I'd be very surprised if he reached finals again - last year was a huge fluke and Nadull simply got lucky playing out of form and nervous Federer. And it still took epic 5 setter and darkness factor to beat the GOAT...Fed is gonna rout Wimby this year, book it

FNT
05-24-2009, 07:38 PM
Freaking ridiculous, sorry. Nadal hasn't beaten Roger in straights off clay since 2004 (and we can all agree that this was somewhat insignificant back then, it was a classic example of "taken by surprise"), while Roger beat him in straights off clay in Shanghai in 2007 (handing Rafa his ass in the 2nd set if I remember correctly). Every other time it took Rafa TONS AND TONS of effort to beat Roger off clay. And he couldn't even do it (beat him 3-0 I mean) last summer as you pointed out, even though Roger was looking pathetic and losing to people like KARLOVIC and Blake the Bitch. If he was this OMG SO MUCH BETTER, he should've won it 3-1 then, he wouldn't have had to save BP's in the fifth.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won, hell, he is the reigning no. 1 and the defending champ, he is SUPPOSED to defend the title for Christ's sake, since when is it an accomplishment? Straights, no. I think that Roger is a tad more likely to win it though. All of this is waaay too reminiscent of 2007 to me for some reason (I know it's irrational, it's just a feeling I have).

groundstroke
05-24-2009, 07:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Federer wins by straight sets on grass, if he fixes that serve, on grass he is unbeatable - you have to watch him play to fully understand.

miura
05-24-2009, 07:38 PM
I'd be surprised if Nadal even won.

Sunset of Age
05-24-2009, 07:43 PM
What's up with this kind of irritating, premature threads about a possible matchup in a GS final that might happen over a month from now on?

To the OP: we got it by now, thanks.
Take your head out of Rafa's A$$, please, it's getting very, very boring.

«Ivan»
05-24-2009, 08:00 PM
I'd be surprised if Nadal even won.

:secret:grow up

miura
05-24-2009, 08:05 PM
:secret:grow up
Sorry daddy. When can I have my own opinions? :confused:

MacTheKnife
05-24-2009, 08:09 PM
Would you be surprised if Federer beat Nadal in straight sets on clay, oh wait.. :haha:

luvrafa
05-24-2009, 08:25 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal won all 4 grand slams this year! He surely has the talent to do it.

Sapeod
05-24-2009, 08:29 PM
:secret:grow up

I'd be surprised if you grew up.

Sapeod
05-24-2009, 08:30 PM
I'd be surprised if Nadal wins Roland Garros, let alone Wimbledon ;)

Andi-M
05-24-2009, 08:36 PM
After Fed beats Nadal in straights at the RG final Nadal gets his revenge by beating Fed in straights at Wimbledon.

habibko
05-24-2009, 08:37 PM
I'd be surprised if you grew up.

:lol:

l_mac
05-24-2009, 08:39 PM
I would be surprised, yes.

Ivanatis
05-24-2009, 09:56 PM
No.

Matt01
05-24-2009, 10:07 PM
Big fat NO.

FNT
05-24-2009, 10:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal won all 4 grand slams this year! He surely has the talent to do it.

I'm sorry, everyone, I need to rant.
OH STFU will you? The dude has never won three Slams in one year!!! He is brilliant, OK? He is very talented, very competitive, a great fella and I f-g adore him. But can all the delusional fanboys and fangirls STFU about him winning every tournament in sight while bageling Federer, Djokovic and Murray who are playing him 3-on-1? Can you STFU until he at least wins both RG AND Wimbledon (which is, you're not gonna believe it, not guaranteed?)? He has ONE Wimbledon trophy and ONE AO trophy. That's TWO, alright? He's never even won both IW and Miami in one year!!!!
It's too effing early! Stop the madness!!!

Finished. Sorry once more.

P.S. FYI - you're jinxing Rafa beyond belief. I wouldn't even use the GS words if I were you.

Sunset of Age
05-24-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm sorry, everyone, I need to rant.
OH STFU will you? The dude has never won three Slams in one year!!! He is brilliant, OK? He is very talented, very competitive, a great fella and I f-g adore him. But can all the delusional fanboys and fangirls STFU about him winning every tournament in sight while bageling Federer, Djokovic and Murray who are playing him 3-on-1? Can you STFU until he at least wins both RG AND Wimbledon (which is, you're not gonna believe it, not guaranteed?)? He has ONE Wimbledon trophy and ONE AO trophy. That's TWO, alright? He's never even won both IW and Miami in one year!!!!
It's too effing early! Stop the madness!!!

Finished. Sorry once more.

P.S. FYI - you're jinxing Rafa beyond belief. I wouldn't even use the GS words if I were you.

Well said. :yeah:

These kind of 'fans' are indeed capable of making any a knowledgeable tennis fan's eyes bleed.

Har-Tru
05-24-2009, 11:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal won all 4 grand slams this year! He surely has the talent to do it.

Yeah, let's talk about this. This is a new one.

l_mac
05-24-2009, 11:05 PM
I'm sorry, everyone, I need to rant.
OH STFU will you? The dude has never won three Slams in one year!!! He is brilliant, OK? He is very talented, very competitive, a great fella and I f-g adore him. But can all the delusional fanboys and fangirls STFU about him winning every tournament in sight while bageling Federer, Djokovic and Murray who are playing him 3-on-1? Can you STFU until he at least wins both RG AND Wimbledon (which is, you're not gonna believe it, not guaranteed?)? He has ONE Wimbledon trophy and ONE AO trophy. That's TWO, alright? He's never even won both IW and Miami in one year!!!!
It's too effing early! Stop the madness!!!

Finished. Sorry once more.

P.S. FYI - you're jinxing Rafa beyond belief. I wouldn't even use the GS words if I were you.

:retard:

1) There's no such thing as jinx
2) only trolls are saying that Rafa is going to win every tournament he enters, and they don'#t even mean it they are just doing it to be trolls. I highly doubt any of them are genuine fans.
3) Anyone who takes MTF as seriously as you seem to needs to take a deep breath and really think about things. About 96% of posts here either need to be taken with a large pich of salt or completely ignored (Clay Death, habibko, NadalSharapova etc)

Sapeod
05-24-2009, 11:08 PM
:retard:

1) There's no such thing as jinx
2) only trolls are saying that Rafa is going to win every tournament he enters, and they don'#t even mean it they are just doing it to be trolls. I highly doubt any of them are genuine fans.
3) Anyone who takes MTF as seriously as you seem to needs to take a deep breath and really think about things. About 96% of posts here either need to be taken with a large pich of salt or completely ignored (Clay Death, habibko, NadalSharapova etc)

Thank you for not including my name :angel:

miura
05-24-2009, 11:09 PM
l_mac, if all the salt from the entire atlantic and pacific ocean was extracted, it would not have been sufficent to how large a pich needed to swallow your posts!

i'm appalled my name wasn't mentioned in your list of posters :shrug:

Sunset of Age
05-24-2009, 11:17 PM
:retard:

1) There's no such thing as jinx
2) only trolls are saying that Rafa is going to win every tournament he enters, and they don'#t even mean it they are just doing it to be trolls. I highly doubt any of them are genuine fans.
3) Anyone who takes MTF as seriously as you seem to needs to take a deep breath and really think about things. About 96% of posts here either need to be taken with a large pich of salt or completely ignored (Clay Death, habibko, NadalSharapova etc)

Yes, as we all know, all the :retard: Rafafans posting over here are merely 'trolls', while in case some equally :retard: Fedfans post BS, they of course, are 100% serious and genuinely believe what they say.

Brilliant. :worship:

l_mac
05-24-2009, 11:19 PM
Yes, as we all know, all the :retard: Rafafans posting over here are merely 'trolls', while in case some equally :retard: Fedfans post BS, they of course, are 100% serious and genuinely believe what they say.

Brilliant. :worship:

If you say so Karin :shrug:

:cuckoo:

habibko
05-24-2009, 11:27 PM
:retard:

1) There's no such thing as jinx
2) only trolls are saying that Rafa is going to win every tournament he enters, and they don'#t even mean it they are just doing it to be trolls. I highly doubt any of them are genuine fans.
3) Anyone who takes MTF as seriously as you seem to needs to take a deep breath and really think about things. About 96% of posts here either need to be taken with a large pich of salt or completely ignored (Clay Death, habibko, NadalSharapova etc)

:haha: :haha: :haha:

:retard:

FNT
05-25-2009, 01:10 AM
:retard:

1) There's no such thing as jinx
2) only trolls are saying that Rafa is going to win every tournament he enters, and they don'#t even mean it they are just doing it to be trolls. I highly doubt any of them are genuine fans.
3) Anyone who takes MTF as seriously as you seem to needs to take a deep breath and really think about things. About 96% of posts here either need to be taken with a large pich of salt or completely ignored (Clay Death, habibko, NadalSharapova etc)

Oh, really, dear? Well thank you for not letting me have some fun with the trolls by trolling. Killjoy(((

Sunset of Age
05-25-2009, 01:13 AM
If you say so Karin :shrug:

:cuckoo:

You perfectly understand me.

Enjoy your further trolling. ;)

Benny_Maths
05-25-2009, 01:24 AM
I'd be surprised if Nadal wins Roland Garros, let alone Wimbledon ;)

Aren't you a Federer hater?:confused:

Yes, I noticed the ";)".

superslam77
05-25-2009, 01:27 AM
Let's enjoy Roland Garros, HERE AND NOW.

Mods drag out this thread and make it Pray For Death!!

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 03:20 AM
Well its a very legit question considering Nadal was basically a point away from winning in straight sets last year at Wimbledon. Had 0-40 on Federer's serve in the 3rd set, and Federer had major problems breaking Nadal that day so safe to assume converting one of those breakpoints was the match in straights.

Also consider that Nadal was able to beat Federer an easy 6-2 in the 5th at AO despite looking very jaded from the Verdasco match so surely he is just an easy semi-final away from winning in 3 or 4.

Most importantly consider last year's RG Final and consider that Nadal is improving each year on grass and hardcourt and eventually the clay gap will extend to all surfaces as Nadal's improvement continues. In fact there are times when he looks better on grass than clay.

Mimi
05-25-2009, 03:23 AM
:help: can you stop putting pressure on poor rafa?

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 03:26 AM
:help: can you stop putting pressure on poor rafa?

We or the media can say whatever we like, Nadal won't read most of it and b) his only goal is to 'keep improving' anyway :yeah:

What I'm saying is nothing extreme, you know when Nadal is oncourt he will be trying to win in straight sets anyway :yeah:

Mimi
05-25-2009, 03:31 AM
:help: but you created a thread for his haters to attack him ......

We or the media can say whatever we like, Nadal won't read most of it and b) his only goal is to 'keep improving' anyway :yeah:

What I'm saying is nothing extreme, you know when Nadal is oncourt he will be trying to win in straight sets anyway :yeah:

out_here_grindin
05-25-2009, 03:32 AM
I don't like how we assume Nadal and Federer are write-ins for the final already. It's probably true, but i wish someone would stand up and take out one of the 2 at some point in any Grand slam.

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 03:33 AM
:help: but you created a thread for his haters to attack him ......

Fans on a messageboard:mad: don't effect tennis players:tennis: its just a messageboard:nerner:

Mimi
05-25-2009, 03:34 AM
:scratch::banghead:

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 03:36 AM
:scratch::banghead:

translation: nobody is attacking Nadal here:p its just fans attacking eachother:wavey:

out_here_grindin
05-25-2009, 03:37 AM
Fans on a messageboard:mad: don't effect tennis players:tennis: its just a messageboard:nerner:

Incorrect. Rafa reads this forum every day. His confidence depends on it. The more Rafatards emerge the better he becomes.

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 03:39 AM
Incorrect. Rafa reads this forum every day. His confidence depends on it. The more Rafatards emerge the better he becomes.

If that were true I wish I was a Rafatard, too bad I'm just a Nadal fan :o

Mechlan
05-25-2009, 03:46 AM
If that were true I wish I was a Rafatard, too bad I'm just a Nadal fan :o

You created this thread? Good news mate, you're a full blown Rafatard. :lol:

betowiec
05-25-2009, 03:47 AM
nope

out_here_grindin
05-25-2009, 03:51 AM
You created this thread? Good news mate, you're a full blown Rafatard. :lol:

Its okay, THERafa I bet if you came out as a Rafatard your parents would still love you.

JoshDragon
05-25-2009, 04:34 AM
No, I don't think that will happen. Federer is a different player at the majors. He doesn't usually bomb out in the semi-finals to Djokovic or Murray.

Kip
05-25-2009, 04:41 AM
Would never happen.

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 04:41 AM
No, I don't think that will happen. Federer is a different player at the majors. He doesn't usually bomb out in the semi-finals to Djokovic or Murray.

Djokovic and Murray are scared of Federer in slams, no doubt, but Federer v Nadal a far different story.

iriraz
05-25-2009, 06:14 AM
In a Wimbledon final between Federer and Nadal everything is possible.Especially if both players are serving well.Then we are going to see a few tiebreakers where 1 or 2 points can decide the outcome of the match.So a score like 7-6 7-6 7-6 or 7-6 4-6 7-6 7-6 for either one wouldn`t be surprising

vamosinator
05-25-2009, 06:28 AM
6–4, 6–4, 6–7(5), 6–7(8), 9–7 was the score last year, so I'm thinking if Nadal wins in straight sets it probably won't be in tie-breakers (could be though, but Nadal tends to break Federer's serve often).

johnny_dhk
05-25-2009, 10:07 AM
No, I won't be surprised if Nadal wins in straight sets. However, I will be very very surprised if Federina doesn't make a scene like AO 2009 after the defeat.

Certinfy
05-25-2009, 10:30 AM
Yes, tho i wouldn't be surprised if Fed beat Rafa in straight sets