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Federer @ RG vs Nadal@ US Open

BIGMARAT
05-21-2009, 09:02 PM
It seems to me that people seems to think that Rafa has more chance on winning the US Open than Federer at winning the French Open.
I came to this conclusion as a lot are predicting Nadal will win a calendar slam.

I just dont get it! Yes they can both possibly win it but to give an edge to Rafa doesn't sound right.

Nadal won RG the last 4 years
Federer won the US Open the last 5 years

Federer has been in 3 RG finals
Nadal has for the first time reach US Open semis last year.

We have Djokovic,Murray and Del Potro plus Roger at US Open to beat
We only have Nadal to beat at RG.

Where's the logic?

This is Sparta
05-21-2009, 09:05 PM
Did you see Rafael at the Olympics last year, right? The court was the same as the USO one...if Rafael plays like that he will crush everybody

Ozone
05-21-2009, 09:06 PM
Easy.

Rafa= No US Open Finals/Titles
Federer= 4 RG finals/No titles

So Federer=win in 4

Jimnik
05-21-2009, 09:10 PM
What about

Nadal @ RG vs Federer @ US Open

More interesting fantasy.

BIGMARAT
05-21-2009, 09:11 PM
Did you see Rafael at the Olympics last year, right? The court was the same as the USO one...if Rafael plays like that he will crush everybody

We are talking about US Open. A Gransdlam!!! everybody plays!!! and draws are made differently for countries not meet on early rounds.

Nice try!

Johnny Groove
05-21-2009, 09:13 PM
Well, considering the last image we have of Federer at RG is him getting bagelled, I'd say its rather fair that people would expect Nadal to win the USO sooner than Fed will win the French.

This is Sparta
05-21-2009, 09:16 PM
We are talking about US Open. A Gransdlam!!! everybody plays!!! and draws are made differently for countries not meet on early rounds.

Nice try!

Well Australia is also a HC grand slam...and Rafael crushed Federror (who then started crying...oh god it's killing me :sad:) So I don't know why can't he do the same at the USO... his only enemy is Rafael himself...if he manages to stay fit in September I have no doubt about the winner...

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 09:16 PM
Well I haven't seen that many people predicting the cal slam to tell you the truth. I've a lot of people saying if he does pull of the FO he'll have a shot at it.
That's a lot different IMO from predicting it. He will have a shot if he wins the FO, but that doesn't make it any easier. If it was easy somebody would have done it in the last 40 years.

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Well Australia is also a HC grand slam...and Rafael crushed Federror (who then started crying...oh god it's killing me :sad:) So I don't know why can't he do the same at the USO... his only enemy is Rafael himself...if he manages to stay fit in September I have no doubt about the winner...

Crushed ??? 5 sets ?? What would you call a close match??

Guga_fan
05-21-2009, 09:18 PM
Did you see Rafael at the Olympics last year, right? The court was the same as the USO one...if Rafael plays like that he will crush everybody
Nadal at the Olympics had a lot of trouble against a poor Djokovic, who was the only real opponent he played. Many players can beat him on hardcourt if they play well, like Nalbandian (who would destroy him if playing well), Federer, Djokovic (from the middle of 2007 to the middle of 2008), Tsonga (AO or Paris form), Verdasco and Murray.

BIGMARAT
05-21-2009, 09:20 PM
Nadal at the Olympics had a lot of trouble against a poor Djokovic, who was the only real opponent he played. Many players can beat him on hardcourt if they play well, like Nalbandian (who would destroy him if playing well), Federer, Djokovic (from the middle of 2007 to the middle of 2008), Tsonga (AO or Paris form), Verdasco and Murray.

I can't agree more!

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 09:24 PM
Federer and Nadal are 6-6 in their last 12 sets played. (5 grass, 5 HC, 2 clay) And some are calling that crushing.. I just don't get it.

philosophicalarf
05-21-2009, 09:28 PM
Well Australia is also a HC grand slam...and Rafael crushed Federror.....


Hardly. It was 5 sets, and Federer gave it away at key moments (errorfest tiebreak, and the final set was a total gift). With Nadal tired, it was Federer's to win - and he blew it completely.

out_here_grindin
05-21-2009, 09:29 PM
There are dangerous players to Nadal at the US than Federer at the French.

delpiero7
05-21-2009, 10:25 PM
Federer has only ever beaten Nadal on a clay court 2 times in 11 meetings. No matter whether they played on the surface in Paris, Hamburg, Madrid or the top of Everest. Federer has never beaten Nadal on a clay court in a best of 5 sets match.

Nadal has beaten Federer on a hard court 3 times in 6 meetings. Again, no matter whether it was indoors, outdoors or underwater. Nadal HAS beaten Federer on a hard court in a best of 5 sets match.

Also consider the fact that there are more threats to Federer on a hard court then there are to Nadal on a clay court. Since January '08, Nadal has only lost to Ferrero and Federer on clay. In the same time period, Federer has lost to Djokovic, Murray, Fish, Roddick, Simon, Karlovic and Nadal on hard.

Federer will be able to handle another defeat to Nadal at RG this year without affecting him too much mentally (unless he gets triple bagelled). However, if Federer wins RG, I wouldn't put it past him to win both Wimbly and the US Open aswell, seeing as winning RG would signify Fed finally growing a pair.

Most likely scenario - Nadal wins RG, most possibly defeating Federer or Djokovic in the final. If Federer loses to Nadal again at Wimbledon, I would have serious doubts about him being able to beat Nadal should they meet at the US Open, purely because Nadal has taken each of Federer's crowns, one by one. (Wimbledon, No 1 ranking, Aus Open).

In summary, Federer must beat Nadal at RG and/or Wimbledon, or else he should pray for death come US Open time. Well, either that or pray that Nadal draws Dabul in R1 at Flushing Meadows and gets schooled.


Can't believe I spent 10 minutes writing all that BS

Fiberlight1
05-21-2009, 10:42 PM
Federer has only ever beaten Nadal on a clay court 2 times in 11 meetings. No matter whether they played on the surface in Paris, Hamburg, Madrid or the top of Everest. Federer has never beaten Nadal on a clay court in a best of 5 sets match.

Nadal has beaten Federer on a hard court 3 times in 6 meetings. Again, no matter whether it was indoors, outdoors or underwater. Nadal HAS beaten Federer on a hard court in a best of 5 sets match.

Also consider the fact that there are more threats to Federer on a hard court then there are to Nadal on a clay court. Since January '08, Nadal has only lost to Ferrero and Federer on clay. In the same time period, Federer has lost to Djokovic, Murray, Fish, Roddick, Simon, Karlovic and Nadal on hard.

Federer will be able to handle another defeat to Nadal at RG this year without affecting him too much mentally (unless he gets triple bagelled). However, if Federer wins RG, I wouldn't put it past him to win both Wimbly and the US Open aswell, seeing as winning RG would signify Fed finally growing a pair.

Most likely scenario - Nadal wins RG, most possibly defeating Federer or Djokovic in the final. If Federer loses to Nadal again at Wimbledon, I would have serious doubts about him being able to beat Nadal should they meet at the US Open, purely because Nadal has taken each of Federer's crowns, one by one. (Wimbledon, No 1 ranking, Aus Open).

In summary, Federer must beat Nadal at RG and/or Wimbledon, or else he should pray for death come US Open time. Well, either that or pray that Nadal draws Dabul in R1 at Flushing Meadows and gets schooled.


Can't believe I spent 10 minutes writing all that BS


+1

Sunset of Age
05-21-2009, 10:56 PM
Federer and Nadal are 6-6 in their last 12 sets played. (5 grass, 5 HC, 2 clay) And some are calling that crushing.. I just don't get it.

No-one with any a brain cell left would call that 'crushing'.
I guess we're dealing with a major troll attempt here, once again. :rolleyes:

Arkulari
05-21-2009, 11:27 PM
Karin, you know how it rolls: TARDS/HATERS are the cancer of this forum :rolleyes:

Har-Tru
05-21-2009, 11:50 PM
What is more likely, that Federer beats Nadal at the French, or that Nadal beats one of Djoko/Murray and Federer at the USO? If everyone is healthy on both situations, I'd have to go with the second one.

Arkulari
05-22-2009, 12:04 AM
it all comes down to Rafa's health and Roger's mental state :o

philosophicalarf
05-22-2009, 03:27 AM
What is more likely, that Federer beats Nadal at the French, or that Nadal beats one of Djoko/Murray and Federer at the USO?

Probably also have to add in a potential tricky QF. The US Open is pretty quick these days, and it's not that hard to imagine Tsonga or del Potro pulling off an upset. Davydenko and Verdasco have the game to do it too, if maybe not the belief - the extra speed of the surface may feed belief though, as it means they don't need to redline their games to hit through him. Roddick wouldn't be an easy opponent either with the partisan crowd.

Rafa normally gets a ridiculous cakewalk of a draw at the US Open, but that luck isn't going to last :-)

Dougie
05-22-2009, 04:22 AM
Nadal at the Olympics had a lot of trouble against a poor Djokovic, who was the only real opponent he played. Many players can beat him on hardcourt if they play well, like Nalbandian (who would destroy him if playing well), Federer, Djokovic (from the middle of 2007 to the middle of 2008), Tsonga (AO or Paris form), Verdasco and Murray.

Itīs always senseless to blame the draw, itīs not Nadalīs fault that most of his toughest opponents lost in the earlier rounds. He won the Olympics, thatīs all there is to it.

And Nadal has already won Slams on slower and faster surfaces than Us Open, thereīs no reason he canīt do it there as well. Okay, the grass at Wimbledon is not that fast nowadays, but still.
And whereas Federer is slowly losing his grip, Nadal seems to be still improving. So yes, he has a greater chance of winning the Us Open than Federer winning the RG.

FedFan_2007
05-22-2009, 04:28 AM
Itīs always senseless to blame the draw, itīs not Nadalīs fault that most of his toughest opponents lost in the earlier rounds. He won the Olympics, thatīs all there is to it.

And Nadal has already won Slams on slower and faster surfaces than Us Open, thereīs no reason he canīt do it there as well. Okay, the grass at Wimbledon is not that fast nowadays, but still.
And whereas Federer is slowly losing his grip, Nadal seems to be still improving. So yes, he has a greater chance of winning the Us Open than Federer winning the RG.

Excuse me, but Plexicushion is not faster then Decoturf. Until Rafa wins the US Open, he's not the favorite.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 04:53 AM
Itīs always senseless to blame the draw, itīs not Nadalīs fault that most of his toughest opponents lost in the earlier rounds. He won the Olympics, thatīs all there is to it.

And Nadal has already won Slams on slower and faster surfaces than Us Open, thereīs no reason he canīt do it there as well. Okay, the grass at Wimbledon is not that fast nowadays, but still.
And whereas Federer is slowly losing his grip, Nadal seems to be still improving. So yes, he has a greater chance of winning the Us Open than Federer winning the RG.

everything you said is just your opinion.

since 2005 he's suppose to be the number two player in the world and never reach the finals of the US Open. half of his try, he did'nt even made it to 2nd week.

Dougie
05-22-2009, 04:55 AM
Excuse me, but Plexicushion is not faster then Decoturf. Until Rafa wins the US Open, he's not the favorite.

I never said plexicushion is faster than decoturf.

Dougie
05-22-2009, 05:00 AM
everything you said is just your opinion.

since 2005 he's suppose to be the number two player in the world and never reach the finals of the US Open. half of his try, he did'nt even made it to 2nd week.

Well of course itīs my opinion, whoīs elseīs?

Nadal has showed he can play and win on grass, clay and hard. Yes, Federer has made it to several finals at RG, but if weīre talking about winning the title, heīs been aboout as close as Nadal winning the Us Open; Not even close. The reason why Nadal hasnīt done well in the Us Open is because heīs usually too tired after playing too much. Last year his schedule was grueling. If he can take it easy enough after Wimbledon, heīll be the favorite to win this year. Nadal is far bigger obstacle to Federer at the RG then Federer is to Nadal at the Us Open.

JoshDragon
05-22-2009, 05:00 AM
It seems to me that people seems to think that Rafa has more chance on winning the US Open than Federer at winning the French Open.
I came to this conclusion as a lot are predicting Nadal will win a calendar slam.

I just dont get it! Yes they can both possibly win it but to give an edge to Rafa doesn't sound right.

Nadal won RG the last 4 years
Federer won the US Open the last 5 years

Federer has been in 3 RG finals
Nadal has for the first time reach US Open semis last year.

We have Djokovic,Murray and Del Potro plus Roger at US Open to beat
We only have Nadal to beat at RG.

Where's the logic?

Well, for one thing, Nadal has been improving at the US Open. He reached the semi-finals last year. He would have won the match against Murray if he hadn't been so tired. Although I'm not sure if he would have beaten Federer in the finals.

Federer's performance at the French Open has been declining. He was embarrassed when he played Nadal last year and after eating a bagel in the third set I doubt he will be able to win Roland Garros.

Basically, one guy is getting better and the other one isn't.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:07 AM
Well of course itīs my opinion, whoīs elseīs?

Nadal has showed he can play and win on grass, clay and hard. Yes, Federer has made it to several finals at RG, but if weīre talking about winning the title, heīs been aboout as close as Nadal winning the Us Open; Not even close. The reason why Nadal hasnīt done well in the Us Open is because heīs usually too tired after playing too much. Last year his schedule was grueling. If he can take it easy enough after Wimbledon, heīll be the favorite to win this year. Nadal is far bigger obstacle to Federer at the RG then Federer is to Nadal at the Us Open.

WTF!! you are contradicting yourself.

Federer 3 finals
Nadal no finals

Whos closer to win it?

We want facts!!! not opinions

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:08 AM
Well, for one thing, Nadal has been improving at the US Open. He reached the semi-finals last year. He would have won the match against Murray if he hadn't been so tired. Although I'm not sure if he would have beaten Federer in the finals.

Federer's performance at the French Open has been declining. He was embarrassed when he played Nadal last year and after eating a bagel in the third set I doubt he will be able to win Roland Garros.

Basically, one guy is getting better and the other one isn't.

another fact-less opinion.

Dougie
05-22-2009, 05:16 AM
WTF!! you are contradicting yourself.

Federer 3 finals
Nadal no finals

Whos closer to win it?

We want facts!!! not opinions


Iīm not contradicting myself, you just donīt get the point. Despite making the finals 3 times, Federer hasnīt been even close to actually winning, heīs been demolished by Nadal. Federer can make the final 10 times, he still has very little chance of winning it, because the gap between the two is just huge on clay. As long as Nadal keeps playing ( and improving), Federer wonīt beat him on clay when it matters.

On hard courts the difference is not that big. Nadal is more comfortable on hc than Federer is on clay, and heīs still improving.

We all know the facts, if you want discussion, itīs all about the opinions.

vamosinator
05-22-2009, 05:18 AM
LOL, Nadal is too young to have made a bunch of US Open Finals, so that silly to say Federer's made RG Finals and Nadal hasn't made US Open Finals.....I'd more look at the fact that Nadal won the US Open Series Events and Gold Medal last year on hardcourt and won the Aust Open this year. That is massive proof that he'll be able to win the US Open. And he even got a massive thrashing of Murray in this year.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:24 AM
I´m not contradicting myself, you just don´t get the point. Despite making the finals 3 times, Federer hasn´t been even close to actually winning, he´s been demolished by Nadal. Federer can make the final 10 times, he still has very little chance of winning it, because the gap between the two is just huge on clay. As long as Nadal keeps playing ( and improving), Federer won´t beat him on clay when it matters.

On hard courts the difference is not that big. Nadal is more comfortable on hc than Federer is on clay, and he´s still improving.

We all know the facts, if you want discussion, it´s all about the opinions.


Well, your opinion can be argued, however these facts no one can argue!

Federer on US Open is more dominant than Nadal on Clay ( 5 straight titles > 4 straight titles)

Federer was 3 times on RG clay and just 1 match short of claiming the trophy.
Nadal made it only maybe twice or thrice past the 2nd week of US Open

In order for Nadal to win the US Open- there are more obstacle- Nole-Murray-DelPotro-Roddick... etc
Federer had only one nemesis and its Nadal- but we can add Nole there now, but if Federer is lucky- Nole could be on Rafas side and Madrid scenario could happen.

Its all my opinion too, but mine has numbers to back it up.

Now I'm not saying Rafa is not winning the US Open. I'm just saying that Rafas chances is less than Federer winning the FO.
Both are low percentages chances by the way.

Dougie
05-22-2009, 05:43 AM
Well, your opinion can be argued, however these facts no one can argue!

Federer on US Open is more dominant than Nadal on Clay ( 5 straight titles > 4 straight titles)

Federer was 3 times on RG clay and just 1 match short of claiming the trophy.
Nadal made it only maybe twice or thrice past the 2nd week of US Open

In order for Nadal to win the US Open- there are more obstacle- Nole-Murray-DelPotro-Roddick... etc
Federer had only one nemesis and its Nadal- but we can add Nole there now, but if Federer is lucky- Nole could be on Rafas side and Madrid scenario could happen.

Its all my opinion too, but mine has numbers to back it up.

Now I'm not saying Rafa is not winning the US Open. I'm just saying that Rafas chances is less than Federer winning the FO.
Both are low percentages chances by the way.


Normally you can make the numbers say pretty much want you want. The problem is that your facts and predictions are two totally different issues here.

Which one has better results: Fed at RG or Rafa at the US Open? -> No-brainer, Federer at the RG, of course. This is what your facts support.

Which one has better chance of winning the title: Federer the RG of Rafa the Us Open? -> Now the question becomes totally different. A question of not only past results, but match-ups, conditions and improving vs. non-improving. Too many non-measurable variables for your "facts" to support your opinion flawlessly.

Weīre all speculating here, but I wouldnīt say Nadalīs chances of winning the Us Open are small, they are greater than Federer winning the RG. Far greater.

2003
05-22-2009, 05:52 AM
I never said plexicushion is faster than decoturf.

Be quiet, the AO is played on little more than glorified blue clay after 2 weeks in a final. Had Rafa meet Monfis, Murray etc he never would have made the final. Rafa could barely take out an inspired Verdasco who needed 5 sets to beat a sick Murray.


To the thread starter, I think most people who talk of Rafa winning the US Open are assuming he would face Federer at the Final of Flushing medows after having beaten Fed in both the F/O and Wimbledon this year.

Even if that happened, i'd still take Fed. Rafas too tired at US open. If the scenario played out that way Id still take Fed, hed know itd be his last chance probably to equal Sampras record.

People talk about players like theyr'e mental headcases and cant win unless everythings perfect and they have winning records, momentum etc. Federer is a great champ, he can win when the chips are down.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:55 AM
Normally you can make the numbers say pretty much want you want. The problem is that your facts and predictions are two totally different issues here.

Which one has better results: Fed at RG or Rafa at the US Open? -> No-brainer, Federer at the RG, of course. This is what your facts support.

Which one has better chance of winning the title: Federer the RG of Rafa the Us Open? -> Now the question becomes totally different. A question of not only past results, but match-ups, conditions and improving vs. non-improving. Too many non-measurable variables for your "facts" to support your opinion flawlessly.

Weīre all speculating here, but I wouldnīt say Nadalīs chances of winning the Us Open are small, they are greater than Federer winning the RG. Far greater.

ur the only one speculating.
Its no brainer for me, 5 is greater than 4, 3 is greater than 0, More is greater than 1.
I'm just stating the odds......

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:59 AM
To the thread starter, I think most people who talk of Rafa winning the US Open are assuming he would face Federer at the Final of Flushing medows after having beaten Fed in both the F/O and Wimbledon this year.



exactly! they speculating that Nadal will be in the final right away at US Open facing Federer.

Dougie
05-22-2009, 06:06 AM
ur the only one speculating.
Its no brainer for me, 5 is greater than 4, 3 is greater than 0, More is greater than 1.
I'm just stating the odds......

When weīre talking about the future, things that have not yet happened, itīs always speculation. If you canīt see past your numbers, fine. But your numbers are past results, theyīre not odds.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 06:19 AM
When weīre talking about the future, things that have not yet happened, itīs always speculation. If you canīt see past your numbers, fine. But your numbers are past results, theyīre not odds.

Oh I'm sorry, I did'nt know your a fortune teller.

BlueSwan
05-22-2009, 06:29 AM
The key difference is that Federers chances of beating Nadal at Roland Garros are probably 10% at the most, based on their previous encounters, Nadals utter dominance of RG and the fact that Roger isn't what he used to be.

On the other hand, there is NO player who would be the outright favourite against Rafa at the US Open. Yes, players like Federer, Murray, Djokovic and a few others COULD beat Rafa, but are any of them runaway favourites to do so? I think not. If Rafa continues his impressive play on hard courts, then he's probably the slight favourite to win The US Open, unless Federer finds his form and becomes the natural favourite due to his dominance of that event in the past.

So Rafa is MUCH closer to winning The US Open than Federer are to winning RG. In fact, I would be very surprised if Rafa failed to complete a career grand slam within the next 3-4 years.

vamosinator
05-22-2009, 09:11 AM
Exactly BlueSwan , everybody should read your post and I doubt they'll find an argument for the fact that Nadal is a huge favorite to beat Federer at RG while Federer is not a huge favorite to beat Nadal at the US Open. Since this is the most likely matchup then that alone gives Nadal the greater chance of winning USO than Federer of winning RG.

thalle
05-22-2009, 11:16 AM
there's more players at USO who can beat Federer, than there is beating Nadal at RG.

rafa_maniac
05-22-2009, 12:06 PM
The thinking behind it is pretty simple, there is somebody Federer under normal circumstances just can't beat at the French, no such person exists for Rafa at the US Open. Under this condition alone, the latter has a stronger shot at winning that Slam. I personally don't expect either player to ever win either.

habibko
05-22-2009, 12:20 PM
The thinking behind it is pretty simple, there is somebody Federer under normal circumstances just can't beat at the French, no such person exists for Rafa at the US Open. Under this condition alone, the latter has a stronger shot at winning that Slam. I personally don't expect either player to ever win either.

no, look at it this way, there is virtually one player who can beat Federer in RG, while Nadal is prone to losing to more than one player in USO, he basically loses to a different player every year :shrug: but if Federer somehow managed to avoid Nadal, the title is his to lose.

madmax
05-22-2009, 03:02 PM
There are plenty of players, who are comfortable against Nadull on hardcourts - Davydenko, Tsonga, even Del Potro is a difficult matchup for him on fast surface, and that is not even mentioning Nalbandian, who beats him all the time minus choke fest the last time:armed: There is only one or two players on clay, who can realistically upset Roger in a best of five match, so the odds are not in Nadull's favor...you can argue about stuff like "improving on hard" and "getting better" till dawn, the facts speak for themselves - last year Nadull had cakewald draw at US Open before the first good hardcourter Murray ripped him a new one, Roger was business like usual, minus that Andreev match...

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 03:17 PM
They are still thinking that Nadal will cruise through US Open final. They can never comprehend numbers.

vamosinator
05-22-2009, 04:00 PM
At the US Open last year Nadal only dropped one set before the semi (and that was despite a hectic Olympic schedule), he cruises in all slams except for the last couple of rounds. You can name all your favorite hardcourt players, but how many will actually meet Nadal in a slam? He only plays a couple of top players, and most of them are chokers in slams.

Modetopia
05-22-2009, 05:07 PM
Federer @ RG:
2005 Nadal
2006 Nadal
2007 Nadal
2008 Nadal
------------
2009 Nadal, Djokovic (maybe)

Nadal @ USO:
2005 Blake
2006 Youzhny
2007 Ferrer
2008 Murray
------------
2009 Who's next??

vamosinator
05-22-2009, 05:15 PM
Chances of someone not named Nadal winning RG: 20%
Chances of someone not named Federer winning USO: 60%

Commander Data
05-22-2009, 05:27 PM
What is more likely, that Federer beats Nadal at the French, or that Nadal beats one of Djoko/Murray and Federer at the USO? If everyone is healthy on both situations, I'd have to go with the second one.

You make it appear that only Federer can stop Nadal at FO and that only Fed, djoker or Murray can beat Nadal at US open. Both assumptions are highly debatable.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Chances of someone not named Nadal winning RG: 20%
Chances of someone not named Federer winning USO: 60%

talking about numbers, I can agree with this, however you also have to add this.

Chances of Nadal getting into quarters or better at US Open- 20%
Chances of Nadal getting into finals of US Open- 3%
Chances of Federer getting into quarters or better of RG- 95%
Chances of Federer getting into RG finals - 50% (used to be 90%)

But by the way, as Nole is in Federer's half, I could actually shrink that 90% to 50%- only because of the draw.

vamosinator
05-22-2009, 05:51 PM
Nadal made semis of 2008 Aust Open, semis of 2008 US Open, won Olympic Gold on hardcourt, won Australian Open, had the longest hardcourt semis streak last year of anyone on tour, and you give him a 20% chance of making a QF at the US Open....?

I stopped reading there, nothing meaningful can come of your logic.

BIGMARAT
05-22-2009, 05:59 PM
Nadal made semis of 2008 Aust Open, semis of 2008 US Open, won Olympic Gold on hardcourt, won Australian Open, had the longest hardcourt semis streak last year of anyone on tour, and you give him a 20% chance of making a QF at the US Open....?

I stopped reading there, nothing meaningful can come of your logic.

Because you keep blinding yourself with Olympics, AO ( which is a totally diff surface and on early part of the year, rafas legs are fresh). Its only US Open. Can you tell me when did he beat a decent hard court player at US Open? If he meet Tsonga, Del Potro, Nole, Murray, Nalbandian- I dont see him winning 2 sets at all.

cool bird1
05-22-2009, 06:20 PM
Well after thinking this one over carefully I have to say who knows. Nadal fans are not going to like this but he could lose at the French I would not be to quick to be jumping for joy that Andy Murry is in his half. Nadal never looks happy when he is playing Andy. Novak is not the most mentaly tough player out there and I think that loss would of hurt him like hell and really dented him going in to the french.
But then I could be wrong.

I think the next two weeks is going to be intresting

Hugh Jaas
05-22-2009, 06:49 PM
No-one with any a brain cell left would call that 'crushing'.
I guess we're dealing with a major troll attempt here, once again. :rolleyes:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=102192