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2009 marks the anniversary of some historic 5-set comebacks at Roland Garros.

MisterQ
05-20-2009, 12:21 AM
2009 marks the anniversary of quite a few epic comebacks from 2 sets to love at Roland Garros, victories that significantly impacted tennis history and the legacies of some players.

5 years ago ---2004

Gaston Gaudio def. Guillermo Coria 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6

One of the strangest matches I've witnessed. Coria was seen by many as the king of clay at this time. It could be argued that he never fully recovered mentally from losing those two match points. In retrospect 2004 was the end of an age of unpredictability at Roland Garros, the last RG before Nadal burst onto the scene.

10 years ago --- 1999

Andre Agassi def. Andrei Medvedev 1-6, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4

Agassi had not made a major final since 1995, and he was viewed by many as a lost cause. He could not match Medvedev's level in the first two sets, and he barely hung on in the third, saving a break point late in the set with a difficult low volley. Without this win, Agassi would not have the career slam. Riding the confidence and fulfillment of this win, he went on to reach the next three major finals (winning USO and AO) and end the year No. 1 for the first time in his career.

20 years ago -- 1989

Michael Chang def. Ivan Lendl 4-6, 4-6 , 6-3, 6-3, 6-3

Who can forget this David vs. Goliath match-up, with cramping, desperate moonballs, underhanded serves and returns from the service line? The 17-year-old Chang would also come back (from 2 sets to 1) to win the final against Edberg. It was to be his only major.


25 years ago --- 1984

Ivan Lendl def. John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5

In McEnroe's greatest year (82 wins, 3 losses), he suffered his most painful defeat. Had he won the French Open, perhaps we would feature him more often in all of our "GOAT" debates. This was Lendl's first major title. He had lost his previous four major finals, but this one gave him the confidence he needed to become a dominant force in the game.

35 years ago --1974

Bjorn Borg def. Manuel Orantes 2-6, 6-7(1), 6-0, 6-1, 6-1

Barely 18 years old, Borg wins his first major title, the first of 6 Roland Garros crowns.

40 years ago -- 1969

Rod Laver def. R. Crealy 3-6, 7-9, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4

While Laver rolled over his opponents in the other rounds, this second round clash was an epic. Without this comeback win, Laver would never have become the only man to win the Grand Slam in the Open Era.

Frank Winkler
05-20-2009, 12:50 AM
wow great post
definitely all epic historic matches.

Frank Winkler
05-20-2009, 12:51 AM
perhaps we will get one this year.
there are many possibilities.

out_here_grindin
05-20-2009, 01:02 AM
There certainly will be. There's always a few in every grand slam. but they are always in the 1st or 2nd round. Not often are they epic.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 01:06 AM
2009 marks the anniversary of quite a few epic comebacks from 2 sets to love at Roland Garros, victories that significantly impacted tennis history and the legacies of some players.

5 years ago ---2004

Gaston Gaudio def. Guillermo Coria 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6

10 years ago --- 1999

Andre Agassi def. Andrei Medvedev 1-6, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4

20 years ago -- 1989

Michael Chang def. Ivan Lendl 4-6, 4-6 , 6-3, 6-3, 6-3

25 years ago --- 1984

Ivan Lendl def. John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5

35 years ago --1974

Bjorn Borg def. Manuel Orantes 2-6, 6-7(1), 6-0, 6-1, 6-1

40 years ago -- 1969

Rod Laver def. R. Crealy 3-6, 7-9, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4
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Ohh my GOODNESS! It shows up every 5 years!! It's about time for another one.

and the pattern is also there: EVERY time the winner came back from two sets down (0:2)!!

Har-Tru
05-20-2009, 01:47 AM
Ohh my GOODNESS! It shows up every 5 years!! It's about time for another one.

and the pattern is also there: EVERY time the winner came back from two sets down (0:2)!!

You just jinxed it. Now the FO is gonna suck.

Arkulari
05-20-2009, 01:53 AM
this is the kind of thread that should have been opened AFTER the tournament :o
(no harm meant MisterQ ;) :hug: )

MisterQ
05-20-2009, 01:57 AM
this is the kind of thread that should have been opened AFTER the tournament :o
(no harm meant MisterQ ;) :hug: )

I thought of it as an appetizer. ;)

MisterQ
05-20-2009, 01:58 AM
Ohh my GOODNESS! It shows up every 5 years!! It's about time for another one.

and the pattern is also there: EVERY time the winner came back from two sets down (0:2)!!

This didn't happen in 1979, though. Guess Borg was just too good... ;)

Arkulari
05-20-2009, 01:58 AM
yeah, you thought well, but you know, the jinxers jump on the slightless opportunity :mad: :o :lol:

MisterQ
05-20-2009, 02:00 AM
yeah, you thought well, but you know, the jinxers jump on the slightless opportunity :mad: :o :lol:

:lol: This is true. Well, at least I'm not Bud Collins.

GlennMirnyi
05-20-2009, 02:38 AM
All very important, except Medvedev's choke.

Macbrother
05-20-2009, 02:49 AM
Yep. Had McEnroe not completely collapsed from 2 sets and a break up (his 1st serve % had fallen to an abysmal 30% or lower in the final sets) he most certainly would've went to Australia for the grand slam. Could've completely changed his history around.

Thanos
05-20-2009, 11:13 AM
2009 marks the anniversary of quite a few epic comebacks from 2 sets to love at Roland Garros, victories that significantly impacted tennis history and the legacies of some players.

5 years ago ---2004

Gaston Gaudio def. Guillermo Coria 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6

One of the strangest matches I've witnessed. Coria was seen by many as the king of clay at this time. It could be argued that he never fully recovered mentally from losing those two match points. In retrospect 2004 was the end of an age of unpredictability at Roland Garros, the last RG before Nadal burst onto the scene.



well in interview last year. coria stated that losing in roland garros final still haunts him. so it seems he never got over it and now hes retired due to this.

Venle
05-20-2009, 12:34 PM
Wow, great notice. :)

Let's hope new history will be written this year too! Last year was so boring :o

MacTheKnife
05-20-2009, 12:37 PM
25 years ago --- 1984

Ivan Lendl def. John McEnroe 3-6, 2-6, 6-4, 7-5, 7-5

In McEnroe's greatest year (82 wins, 3 losses), he suffered his most painful defeat. Had he won the French Open, perhaps we would feature him more often in all of our "GOAT" debates. This was Lendl's first major title. He had lost his previous four major finals, but this one gave him the confidence he needed to become a dominant force in the game.

You had to bring this up.


Yep. Had McEnroe not completely collapsed from 2 sets and a break up (his 1st serve % had fallen to an abysmal 30% or lower in the final sets) he most certainly would've went to Australia for the grand slam. Could've completely changed his history around.

I'm still not over it.. Ahhhhha, the what might have beens... See below quote.

Johnny Groove
05-20-2009, 12:38 PM
Good eye, Q :yeah: All epic comebacks.

Mac came so close, too. That match might have changed how we look at his entire career.

Collective
05-20-2009, 01:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3h64dsUkGk

Chang got deep into Lendl's head. Can't believe that double fault on matchpoint... he was so distracted (and complaining) about Michael standing almost on the service line.

ShotmaKer
05-20-2009, 02:24 PM
How funny! Although it did not happen in 1979 and 1994... Seems like it happens every 5 years, two times in a row and then it just skips the next "aniversary" year! Based on that, it's not likely to happen this year...

MisterQ
05-20-2009, 10:29 PM
If there's anyone around here who remembers seeing the Borg/Orantes 1974 or Laver/Crealy 1969 matches, I'd love to hear more about them. :tennis:

Serenidad
05-21-2009, 10:42 AM
All very important, except Medvedev's choke.

Not an Agassi fan Glenn? :rolls:

That match started Agassi's second career definitely more important than Gaudio/Coria and Chang/Lendl.

vamosinator
05-21-2009, 11:10 AM
I've never seen more pressure on a player than Agassi in that Medvedev Final. When Agassi was down 2 sets to love he looked like he was about to cry, he would have been having flashback to 1990 and 1991 when he lost RG Finals. And here he'd be pretty sure this was his last shot at RG and was about to lose again. That is amazing mental toughness to come back, and I remember it wasn't because of Medvedev playing poorly, it was because Agassi started attacking and going for clean winners. So it was not a choke, it was Agassi lifting his game. He was clearly nervous for the first 2 sets and then loosened up in the 3rd set. That was how Agassi won matches on clay, he attacked, quite different to other top claycourters.

Har-Tru
05-21-2009, 12:22 PM
If there's anyone around here who remembers seeing the Borg/Orantes 1974 or Laver/Crealy 1969 matches, I'd love to hear more about them. :tennis:

According to news reports (I haven't been able to find footage of the whole match), Orantes pulled a massive choking and Borg woke up at the start of the third. Combine it and you get the result. Orantes was known as a very talented lefty, but weak mentally.

About Laver's match, he was known to start the matches a bit off. He'd often lose the first set, then switched on and sweeped the opponent.

Macbrother
05-21-2009, 04:59 PM
According to news reports (I haven't been able to find footage of the whole match), Orantes pulled a massive choking and Borg woke up at the start of the third. Combine it and you get the result. Orantes was known as a very talented lefty, but weak mentally.

About Laver's match, he was known to start the matches a bit off. He'd often lose the first set, then switched on and sweeped the opponent.

If I remember correctly there were some absolutely shameful calls that went against Borg in the 2nd set tiebreak; but typically Borg was completely unphased and dominated the remaining sets. I got that bit I wanna say in Borg's biography on Tennis Channel.

tangerine_dream
05-21-2009, 05:06 PM
So 2009 will be the year Rafa actually loses two sets.

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 05:12 PM
I've never seen more pressure on a player than Agassi in that Medvedev Final. When Agassi was down 2 sets to love he looked like he was about to cry, he would have been having flashback to 1990 and 1991 when he lost RG Finals. And here he'd be pretty sure this was his last shot at RG and was about to lose again. That is amazing mental toughness to come back, and I remember it wasn't because of Medvedev playing poorly, it was because Agassi started attacking and going for clean winners. So it was not a choke, it was Agassi lifting his game. He was clearly nervous for the first 2 sets and then loosened up in the 3rd set. That was how Agassi won matches on clay, he attacked, quite different to other top claycourters.

Very good point. I don't know if you get Tennis Channel where you are, but they are doing an hour and a half piece on Agassi right now. To hear Gilbert and Agassi tell that story of that FO final during the rain delay is hilarious. Gilbert says, I never yelled at Andre until that day and I was screaming and chewing his butt out. Sure enough, Andre started playing to win, instead of playing "not to lose", which is exactly what both he and Gilbert said he was doing in those first two sets.

Action Jackson
05-21-2009, 05:17 PM
I've never seen more pressure on a player than Agassi in that Medvedev Final. When Agassi was down 2 sets to love he looked like he was about to cry, he would have been having flashback to 1990 and 1991 when he lost RG Finals. And here he'd be pretty sure this was his last shot at RG and was about to lose again. That is amazing mental toughness to come back, and I remember it wasn't because of Medvedev playing poorly, it was because Agassi started attacking and going for clean winners. So it was not a choke, it was Agassi lifting his game. He was clearly nervous for the first 2 sets and then loosened up in the 3rd set. That was how Agassi won matches on clay, he attacked, quite different to other top claycourters.

Actually he benefited from a rain delay at the right time and took advantage of it.

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 05:24 PM
Actually he benefited from a rain delay at the right time and took advantage of it.

Spot on, according to him and Gilbert.

mikkemus23
05-21-2009, 05:46 PM
great post :)

Har-Tru
05-21-2009, 05:54 PM
If I remember correctly there were some absolutely shameful calls that went against Borg in the 2nd set tiebreak; but typically Borg was completely unphased and dominated the remaining sets. I got that bit I wanna say in Borg's biography on Tennis Channel.

I've never seen that match, so I'll take your word. To be honest, looking at the scoreline the thing that surprises me the most is not Orantes winning just two games in the last three sets, but him winning a tie-break.

GuiroNl
05-21-2009, 06:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3h64dsUkGk

Chang got deep into Lendl's head. Can't believe that double fault on matchpoint... he was so distracted (and complaining) about Michael standing almost on the service line.

Check out the H2H between Chang and Lendl.
(1) Lendl lost both BO5 matches he played against Chang, and in both Chang made a comeback from 0-2 down.
(2) Lendl won all BO3 matches in straight sets, so he always managed to win the first two sets in his matches against Chang.

1992 Tokyo Indoor Japan Carpet S Lendl 6-3 6-4
1992 Long Island NY, U.S.A. Hard S Lendl 6-2 6-3
1992 New Haven CT, U.S.A. Hard Q Lendl 6-3 7-6(7)
1992 ATP Masters Series Cincinnati OH, U.S.A. Hard S Lendl 6-3 6-2
1991 Grand Slam Cup Germany Carpet S Chang 2-6 4-6 6-4 7-6 9-7
1989 Masters NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Lendl 6-1 6-3
1989 Roland Garros France Clay R16 Chang 4-6 4-6 6-3 6-3 6-3

Dougie
05-21-2009, 06:59 PM
Check out the H2H between Chang and Lendl.
(1) Lendl lost both BO5 matches he played against Chang, and in both Chang made a comeback from 0-2 down.
(2) Lendl won all BO3 matches in straight sets, so he always managed to win the first two sets in his matches against Chang.

1992 Tokyo Indoor Japan Carpet S Lendl 6-3 6-4
1992 Long Island NY, U.S.A. Hard S Lendl 6-2 6-3
1992 New Haven CT, U.S.A. Hard Q Lendl 6-3 7-6(7)
1992 ATP Masters Series Cincinnati OH, U.S.A. Hard S Lendl 6-3 6-2
1991 Grand Slam Cup Germany Carpet S Chang 2-6 4-6 6-4 7-6 9-7
1989 Masters NY, U.S.A. Carpet RR Lendl 6-1 6-3
1989 Roland Garros France Clay R16 Chang 4-6 4-6 6-3 6-3 6-3

That´s actually an interesting statistic. Obviously Lendl had some major mental issues when playing against Chang, probably because of that first meeting. But it would be nice to hear what Lendl has to say about it.

MacTheKnife
05-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Maybe he just got bored..:smash: only kidding. That is pretty interesting, specially with the overall at 5-2. Most would overlook the 5 set angle.

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-21-2009, 07:47 PM
Unfortunately I've never seen any of these matches

GlennMirnyi
05-22-2009, 02:02 AM
Not an Agassi fan Glenn? :rolls:

That match started Agassi's second career definitely more important than Gaudio/Coria and Chang/Lendl.

Who cares about Mr. Roids Agassi.

fast_clay
05-22-2009, 03:06 AM
That´s actually an interesting statistic. Obviously Lendl had some major mental issues when playing against Chang, probably because of that first meeting. But it would be nice to hear what Lendl has to say about it.

lendl has loosened up... but i am still not convinced he'd give too much away... :lol:

alansk
06-01-2009, 12:32 PM
Bump ;)

Here comes the 2009 occurrence (historical impact to follow on Sunday).

andylovesaustin
06-01-2009, 12:44 PM
Didn't Guga come back from 2 sets down once..or maybe twice?

HeretiC
06-01-2009, 12:47 PM
It is definitely getting very very interesting. :yeah:

andylovesaustin
06-01-2009, 12:49 PM
It is definitely getting very very interesting. :yeah:

Yeah, Tommy's lost his cool. He's falling apart.

FlameOn
06-01-2009, 01:23 PM
Yeah, Tommy's lost his cool. He's falling apart.
Haas choked just like Andreev choked and Berdych choked. So annoying. :o It's not over yet but it may as well be. :rolleyes:

its.like.that
06-01-2009, 01:27 PM
Not an Agassi fan Glenn? :rolls:

That match started Agassi's second career definitely more important than Gaudio/Coria and Chang/Lendl.

That Agassi match was an awful fluke.

I'd rather watch 1000 people being slaughtered to death, than a replay of that prick winning RG.

cobalt60
06-01-2009, 01:37 PM
Nice thread Mr Q :yeah: Interesting stats.
And of course if Fed goes on to win RG 2009 his match today with Haas with take on new meaning;)

Bagelicious
06-01-2009, 01:44 PM
Nice thread Mr Q :yeah: Interesting stats.
And of course if Fed goes on to win RG 2009 his match today with Haas with take on new meaning;)

Just about to mention it... :wavey:

iriraz
06-01-2009, 01:45 PM
Didn't Guga come back from 2 sets down once..or maybe twice?

I remember he played against Michael Russell and was down two sets and a break down and had to save match points but won the match and the rest is history

MisterQ
06-07-2009, 03:10 PM
I didn't intend this thread as a prognostication...

but again we have a champion who came from 2 sets down (vs. Haas) on his way to the title.

Congrats, Roger -- an amazing accomplishment! :hatoff:

CmonAussie
06-07-2009, 03:44 PM
I didn't intend this thread as a prognostication...

but again we have a champion who came from 2 sets down (vs. Haas) on his way to the title.

Congrats, Roger -- an amazing accomplishment! :hatoff:


Nice work MisterQ == Nostradamus:)