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Scenario: Nadal two sets down at RG WWW?

Garson007
05-19-2009, 07:13 PM
Against either Djokovic or Federer

Edit:
Hypothetical case: Nadal is given a 2 set deficit without having played.

finishingmove
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
i'm afraid neither, but if djokovic plays out of his mind to go 2-0 against nadal i would give him the edge (over federer)

scarecrows
05-19-2009, 07:19 PM
Nadal being 2 sets down at Roland Garros would mean that something serious is wrong with him so he'd lose against both

Garson007
05-19-2009, 07:21 PM
Ok, didn't make it clear enough. Hypothetical case: Nadal is given a 2 set deficit without having played.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-19-2009, 07:28 PM
They both have two problems vs Nadal on clay: (1) He is much better than them; (2) Even if by some miracle they can make it close, he has balls of concrete whereas they both either start crying like little girls or get "injured" as soon as the going gets tough.

Most likely they will both fall at hurdle (1) i.e. they will go down in straight sets and Nadal will not have to prove his total mental domination over both players.

finishingmove
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Ok, didn't make it clear enough. Hypothetical case: Nadal is given a 2 set deficit without having played.

in this case, whoever wins the first set played would probably win the match.

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 07:30 PM
Well if they walked out there with a two set edge, I'd take either of them to pull it off. Even for Nadal starting out cold down two sets would be pretty tough.

Arkulari
05-19-2009, 07:39 PM
Rafa will win either way :lol:
unless he's terribly, seriously injured :o

Certinfy
05-19-2009, 07:44 PM
Maybe Fed and Nole should assume their 2 sets up when they walk on court against Rafa, might make them actually win a set.

NadalSharapova
05-19-2009, 07:53 PM
Nadal would only be two sets down if he was playing Djokovic and Federer at the same court having to cover a doubles court as well.

marcRD
05-19-2009, 08:20 PM
Both Federer and Djokovic would beat Rafa 2-0 up.

Sapeod
05-19-2009, 08:25 PM
Both if they won the 1st two sets. Going 2 sets to love down against either of them isn't really good for Nadal. Federer came back from a 0-2 deficit at last years Wimbledon so... I think it will too much on Nadal.

But the real question is How the hell would he go 0-2 down at RG? :eek:

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Both if they won the 1st two sets. Going 2 sets to love down against either of them isn't really good for Nadal. Federer came back from a 0-2 deficit at last years Wimbledon so... I think it will too much on Nadal.

But the real question is How the hell would he go 0-2 down at RG? :eek:

He was saying, hypothetically they walked out there up two sets. Not that Nadal lost the first two, he basically spotted them two sets. As stated earlier, I'd take either of them to win one set.

marcRD
05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Murray would probably choke a 2 set lead against Nadal on clay, but Djokovic and Federer would get too confident and aggresive. The desperation which you feel facing Nadal on clay just doesnt apply when you are leading 2-0.

Sapeod
05-19-2009, 08:31 PM
He was saying, hypothetically they walked out there up two sets. Not that Nadal lost the first two, he basically spotted them two sets. As stated earlier, I'd take either of them to win one set.
Well. I'm sure Djokovic or Federer would manage to win 1 set in a normal match so that would give them a third set, so they would win.

Sapeod
05-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Murray would probably choke a 2 set lead against Nadal on clay, but Djokovic and Federer would get too confident and aggresive. The desperation which you feel facing Nadal on clay just doesnt apply when you are leading 2-0.
I doubt Murray would choke a 2-0 lead. He would proabably end up winning in 4.

Roddickominator
05-19-2009, 09:06 PM
This is basically the same as asking if Federer or Djokovic can take a set off of Nadal. The answer is....most likely. For both.

Garson007
05-19-2009, 09:10 PM
This is basically the same as asking if Federer or Djokovic can take a set off of Nadal. The answer is....most likely. For both.
No, it's not. There is a whole different psychological and tactical game going on in this case.

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 09:14 PM
This is basically the same as asking if Federer or Djokovic can take a set off of Nadal. The answer is....most likely. For both.

Well since, between the two of them, they just took 3 sets this weekend, I'd say it's a pretty damn good shot too.

marcRD
05-19-2009, 09:19 PM
I would bet my house on Verdasco choking a 2 set to love lead against Nadal.

Roddickominator
05-19-2009, 09:28 PM
No, it's not. There is a whole different psychological and tactical game going on in this case.

There IS a different psychological element to it....but not enough of one to matter IMO. Nadal is only human....he most likely isn't going to crush 2 really good clay court players in 3 straight sets. Especially Federer, being the great frontrunner that he is. It COULD happen(see: Last year's French Open final), but it's unlikely.

I would bet my house on Verdasco choking a 2 set to love lead against Nadal.

lmao, agreed completely.

Arkulari
05-19-2009, 09:38 PM
Nando, del Po, Gonzo, all of them would choke even at match point :o
Roger and Djoker are entire different horses, they won't do it, at least not at RG ;)
that's hypothetically speaking of course, 'cuz Rafa still will win no matter what :D

NadalSharapova
05-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Well since, between the two of them, they just took 3 sets this weekend, I'd say it's a pretty damn good shot too.

french open is a totally different situation. last year neither could take a set, but one could take bagel and breadstick.

NYCtennisfan
05-20-2009, 12:23 AM
Hmmm...I think both would probably do it, especially if it's a scenario where they had WON the first two sets themselves as opposed to given a 2 set lead.

Interestingly enough, Nadal has never lost 2 straight sets in a best of 5 on clay.

He's lost consecutive sets 13 times on clay in his career, but 10 of them were when he was a teenage. After Andreev beat him in Valencia in 2005, he's only lost consecutive sets on clay to Federer in Hamburg, Ferrero last year, and Federer this past weekend.

Corey Feldman
05-20-2009, 12:26 AM
Both

Federer/Nole doubles team would surely beat Nadal .. especially with a 2 set start

malisha
05-20-2009, 12:31 AM
Berdych sholud clinch it

Pfloyd
05-20-2009, 12:42 AM
Well, if we somehow want to do this thought experiment and exclude injury as a reason for which he is two sets down, then I'd argue that they both would still lose against him.

Nadal usually gets pumped up the more pression he has against him. Djokovic would not do to well if taken to a 5th set physically.

Federer has a better chance of winning under such circumstances, but in the French, I really don't see Nadal losing to Federer in 4 or 5 sets.

born_on_clay
05-20-2009, 06:58 AM
Neither
End of a thread.

Venle
05-20-2009, 12:29 PM
Djokovic might have a slight chance.

keroni
05-20-2009, 02:32 PM
they both have the ability to, but in terms of luck, physical condition by the time they get to the semis, etc. play a big part and it's hard to say. given Rafa's form in madrid, a lot of players would've been able to, with the way he was giving away UEs.

Andi-M
05-20-2009, 06:28 PM
Pretty slim for both but i'd expect Djokovic to capatilise on the 2 set advantage more than Fed he just has more consistancy in his game.

Although if it got to 2 sets all i'd say Fed likley to put up a better fight in the 5th than Djokovic would.

Serenidad
05-20-2009, 06:55 PM
I think Djokovic would lose at least the 3rd set due to cooling off a bit and Nadal's sheer determination. Djokovic definitely wouldn't win in straights.

Federer it is so :unsure: If he is playing that well with all his experience you would like to say he would close it off, but this is such a different animal and he has choked massively against Nadal on clay. Monte Carlo up both sets 4-0 and 4-1. Blew MPs in Rome.

I don't think either man would win in straights.

zlaja777
05-20-2009, 07:00 PM
Both.

Foxy
05-20-2009, 07:03 PM
Imagine it is 0:2 sets, 0:5 games, 0:40 on return, long rally, Rafa hardly manages to reach a ball and hits a very high defensive lob which waits to be smashed by the opponent for an easy sitter. Rafa is way out of the court into the flowers where he stumbles and can't get up from the ground because he injures his knee. At the same time a fanatic MTF Rafa hater rushes and jumps at his chest not letting him breath. Eventually the opponent chokes and misses the smash. It is all over as Rafa turns around the match completely... Guess who is the opponent?! And guess what follows at the ceremony?!

johnny_dhk
05-20-2009, 07:21 PM
Imagine it is 0:2 sets, 0:5 games, 0:40 on return, long rally, Rafa hardly manages to reach a ball and hits a very high defensive lob which waits to be smashed by the opponent for an easy sitter. Rafa is way out of the court into the flowers where he stumbles and can't get up from the ground because he injures his knee. At the same time a fanatic MTF Rafa hater rushes and jumps at his chest not letting him breath. Eventually the opponent chokes and misses the smash. It is all over as Rafa turns around the match completely... Guess who is the opponent?! And guess what follows at the ceremony?!

:worship: You are a legend.

Certinfy
05-20-2009, 07:30 PM
Imagine it is 0:2 sets, 0:5 games, 0:40 on return, long rally, Rafa hardly manages to reach a ball and hits a very high defensive lob which waits to be smashed by the opponent for an easy sitter. Rafa is way out of the court into the flowers where he stumbles and can't get up from the ground because he injures his knee. At the same time a fanatic MTF Rafa hater rushes and jumps at his chest not letting him breath. Eventually the opponent chokes and misses the smash. It is all over as Rafa turns around the match completely... Guess who is the opponent?! And guess what follows at the ceremony?!Meh... :P... I was really hoping Rafa to be the guy that chokes. haha

2003
05-21-2009, 12:42 AM
Could a tripple team handicap match consisting of Federer, Djokovic and Murray on one side of the net, beat Rafael Nadal in a best of 5 sets clay match if handed a 2 lets to love advantage before going out on court?

EDIT, title is a little confusing. The 2 sets advantage would be with Fed/Djok/Murray at this stage.

marcRD
05-21-2009, 12:43 AM
Nadal would win because there would be too much ego and too little team work on the other side of the net.

prima donna
05-21-2009, 01:46 AM
Federer in four.

Experimentee
05-21-2009, 03:48 AM
Most likely neither would win.

In order to win in that situation, they would need to win one of the next three sets.

According to their previous H2H record with Nadal at RG, the probability of them winning a set when played against him at RG is less than 1/3.

Fed has won 2 out of 11 sets vs Nadal at RG, Djokovic has won 0 out of 8.

Experimentee
05-21-2009, 03:51 AM
Pretty slim for both but i'd expect Djokovic to capatilise on the 2 set advantage more than Fed he just has more consistancy in his game.

Although if it got to 2 sets all i'd say Fed likley to put up a better fight in the 5th than Djokovic would.

I wonder how you come to this conclusion considering on Federer's efforts in the 5th set against Nadal in their most recent 5 set encounter? I don't think Fed has been particularly impressive in final sets recently against the other top 4.

Fiberlight1
05-21-2009, 03:56 AM
Most likely neither would win.

In order to win in that situation, they would need to win one of the next three sets.

According to their previous H2H record with Nadal at RG, the probability of them winning a set when played against him at RG is less than 1/3.

Fed has won 2 out of 11 sets vs Nadal at RG, Djokovic has won 0 out of 8.

Fed has actually won 3/15.. which increases his chances... but not by much ;)