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Nadal May Be Vulnerable

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 04:45 PM
I told you so. Didn't I tell you so? Simon Reed attacks again:
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/19052009/58/french-open-reed-nadal-vulnerable.html

How's Djokovic a threat to Nadal when he hasn't beaten Nadal in all his tries on clay. Has Novak really beat Rafa in a best of 5 sets match? No! I am not saying Roger or Andy can beat Rafa but why is Djokovic a big threat? I just can't see him beating Nadal in RG for 3 sets. Sorry Reed! And didn't you say Verdasco was better than Novak just a couple of weeks ago?

l_mac
05-19-2009, 04:47 PM
Ridiculous from Reed to be even mentioning Nadal as a possible RG champ after what we saw at the weekend. Can't see past Fed for the title.

Sapeod
05-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Ridiculous from Reed to be even mentioning Nadal as a possible RG champ after what we saw at the weekend. Can't see past Fed for the title.
Djokovic has a chance if he plays his best ever tennis...ever.

habibko
05-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Nadal will take RG again, the Madrid final win serves Fed for the rest of the season, and could encourage players to play more seriously against Nadal than if he won Madrid.

as for Reed jumping over the bandwagon, NID.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 04:52 PM
A lot of people within the world of tennis are already saying that Roger Federer's win over Rafael Nadal in the final of the Madrid Masters is an insignificant blip on Nadal's dominance of the game.

I'm not so sure. There are two things which will determine how much it could means: first, how much Federer believes in his victory; and second, and how much Nadal believes in his defeat.

Reed, that was the fourth strike buddy!

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 04:56 PM
I told you so. Didn't I tell you so? Simon Reed attacks again:
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/19052009/58/french-open-reed-nadal-vulnerable.html

How's Djokovic a threat to Nadal when he hasn't beaten Nadal in all his tries on clay. Has Novak really beat Rafa in a best of 5 sets match? No! I am not saying Roger or Andy can beat Rafa but why is Djokovic a big threat? I just can't see him beating Nadal in RG for 3 sets.

Agree with the last bit...I don't see Djokovic, or anyone for that matter, beating a FIT Nadal over a 5-set clay court match. However, it is unfair to judge Djokovic entirely on the fact that he has yet to beat Nadal on clay...I mean, you could argue that Fed got lucky in both of his clay wins over Rafa. The Hamburg '07 was at the end of a 2-week stint for Rafa, and he'd survived a close shave against Hewitt in the Saturday SF. The Madrid 2009 final...well, nothing more needs to be said about that Saturday SF against Djokovic.

In essence, I agree with Reed thinking that Djokovic will be his biggest threat...he doesn't have that obvious weakness on a particular wing that Federer has (we know about the backhand...).

However, to suggest that Nadal might be vulnerable because of THAT Madrid DEFEAT...madness imo. Doubt he'd have lost in ordinary circumstances, and I think Rafa knows that as well (hasn't he even said it?). As long as Rafa is full of energy and not in physical discomfort come RG finals day, he should have it just as easy over Federer (assuming that is who he will play), whose major limitation can be more easily exposed on slower clay anyway.

But I wonder if Rafa might be vulnerable because of the KNEE...

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 04:56 PM
I still think Nadal is almost unbeatable at RG with his current form, but a favorable draw to Fed and Nole sounds a little chance for an upset to me.

Like Nadal having Verdasco, Monaco or anybody decent on clay at 4th round and quarters, then a semis and finals versus Nole and Fed consecutively.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Agree with the last bit...I don't see Djokovic, or anyone for that matter, beating a FIT Nadal over a 5-set clay court match. However, it is unfair to judge Djokovic entirely on the fact that he has yet to beat Nadal on clay...I mean, you could argue that Fed got lucky in both of his clay wins over Rafa. The Hamburg '07 was at the end of a 2-week stint for Rafa, and he'd survived a close shave against Hewitt in the Saturday SF. The Madrid 2009 final...well, nothing more needs to be said about that Saturday SF against Djokovic.

In essence, I agree with Reed thinking that Djokovic will be his biggest threat...he doesn't have that obvious weakness on a particular wing that Federer has (we know about the backhand...).

However, to suggest that Nadal might be vulnerable because of THAT Madrid DEFEAT...madness imo. Doubt he'd have lost in ordinary circumstances, and I think Rafa knows that as well (hasn't he even said it?).

But I wonder if Rafa might be vulnerable because of the KNEE...

I have to disagree with you on that. Nadal has crushed Novak's spirit now. Novak played out of his mind and still couldn't put the ball in play on a match point. That shows you he doesn't believe he can beat Rafa on clay. Roger has defeated Rafa on clay. At least he has that going. Novak can beat Roger. I give you that. But he has lost to Rafa on clay way too many times. I like someone to challenge Rafa but let's not forget Rafa has not lost in Paris forever. There is no threat to Rafa. Title is Rafa's to lose. But between Roger and Novak, I give the edge to Roger. Roger's ace is more potent and he actually has more variety and that new found drop shot. I think if Novak and Roger play as a team (2 on one), we may see a five setter.

l_mac
05-19-2009, 05:01 PM
But I wonder if Rafa might be vulnerable because of the KNEE...

He said there was no pain on Sunday.

I'll be interested to see if he wears the knee straps in Paris.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:02 PM
I still think Nadal is almost unbeatable at RG with his current form, but a favorable draw to Fed and Nole sounds a little chance for an upset to me.

Like Nadal having Verdasco, Monaco or anybody decent on clay at 4th round and quarters, then a semis and finals versus Nole and Fed consecutively.

Maybe Rafa playing Blake in the third round, Tsonga in the next, and maybe Davydenko and Novak and Roger. And if all the matches go to 5 sets, maybe just maybe.

Andi-M
05-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Ridiculous from Reed to be even mentioning Nadal as a possible RG champ after what we saw at the weekend. Can't see past Fed for the title.


Yeah anyone who has won the RG title 4 years on the trot and has only lost one match on clay all season winning 3 titles on the surface shouldnt even be considered for RG.

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 05:12 PM
I have to disagree with you on that. Nadal has crushed Novak's spirit now. Novak played out of his mind and still couldn't put the ball in play on a match point. That shows you he doesn't believe he can beat Rafa on clay. Roger has defeated Rafa on clay. At least he has that going. Novak can beat Roger. I give you that. But he has lost to Rafa on clay way too many times. I like someone to challenge Rafa but let's not forget Rafa has not lost in Paris forever. There is no threat to Rafa. Title is Rafa's to lose. But between Roger and Novak, I give the edge to Roger. Roger's ace is more potent and he actually has more variety and that new found drop shot. I think if Novak and Roger play as a team (2 on one), we may see a five setter.

Depends which way you look at it. Obviously Djokovic will be very disheartened to have lost that match, and yes, it could have broken his spirit...equally, it is a good confidence booster, that he came so close. If he can get that close again, luck could work in his favour. Besides, I thought he had Nadal on the ropes in a couple of those match points? Should have finished him off on one of them (ball was long by a few inches?), and Nadal came up with a stunner on another? Couldn't have done much more if you ask me. :shrug:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. :lol: For me, Roger has had his chance to beat a fit Rafa in clay court matches...indeed, as far as I'm concerned, he has yet to beat a fit Rafa on clay, and never will. Would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it.

Djokovic COULD beat a fit Rafa over a 3-set match on clay imo...but probably not in the slowest conditions.

But, yeah, Rafa is still currently unbeatable over a 5-set clay match...doesn't matter who he faces.


He said there was no pain on Sunday.

I'll be interested to see if he wears the knee straps in Paris.

Thanks for the clarification. :)

If I was reading correctly, and he had been taking cortisone shots for his knee earlier in the week (?), he will suffer the repercussions before too long (talking a few years probably).

l_mac
05-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the clarification. :)

If I was reading correctly, and he had been taking cortisone shots for his knee earlier in the week (?), he will suffer the repercussions before too long (talking a few years probably).

Cortisone shots :eek: I only read that he'd taken an anti inflammatory for the thigh pain on Saturday morning. And that after it kicked in, along with massage and heat cream from the trainer during the match, it felt okay.

Where did you read that?

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Maybe Rafa playing Blake in the third round, Tsonga in the next, and maybe Davydenko and Novak and Roger. And if all the matches go to 5 sets, maybe just maybe.

I could see Djokovic being the only player CAPABLE of getting a set off Rafa out of that list.

Tsonga has yet to prove his worth on clay; Blake would be rudely exposed; Davydenko is probably a doubt even for participation in R1; Fed should improve on last year's embarrassment of a final, but I think he will still struggle to win a set.

Djokovic should have a good set and a half of tennis in him, but the question is whether the scoreboard will actually reward him for it. Otherwise, he too could fail to get a set. :lol:

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Depends which way you look at it. Obviously Djokovic will be very disheartened to have lost that match, and yes, it could have broken his spirit...equally, it is a good confidence booster, that he came so close. If he can get that close again, luck could work in his favour. Besides, I thought he had Nadal on the ropes in a couple of those match points? Should have finished him off on one of them (ball was long by a few inches?), and Nadal came up with a stunner on another? Couldn't have done much more if you ask me. :shrug:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. :lol: For me, Roger has had his chance to beat a fit Rafa in clay court matches...indeed, as far as I'm concerned, he has yet to beat a fit Rafa on clay, and never will. Would love to be wrong, but I just don't see it.

Djokovic COULD beat a fit Rafa over a 3-set match on clay imo...but probably not in the slowest conditions.

But, yeah, Rafa is still currently unbeatable over a 5-set clay match...doesn't matter who he faces.




Thanks for the clarification. :)

If I was reading correctly, and he had been taking cortisone shots for his knee earlier in the week (?), he will suffer the repercussions before too long (talking a few years probably).

You claim Roger has never beaten a fit Rafa. Tell me, has a fit Rafa ever lost? Not against you but I am tired of hearing this excuse. It's not like Rafa was forced to do a Marathon before the match. I would buy your argument if you mentioned the surface but not the fitness. Rafa is as fit as a bull and IMO he was still playing decent. You are telling me Rafa wouldn't have won had he made that backhand on that break point? I just don't see how you claim Novak can beat Rafa over 3 sets. How? He has never done it. Not on grass. Not on anything. Here is my thinking. Rafa will probably cruise with serving a bagel or two to all his opponents but if there is any threat, like a tiny teany threat (like being a break up in one set), that would be Roger. I can argue that Novak has never beaten a fit Roger without the help of the wind.

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 05:19 PM
Cortisone shots :eek: I only read that he'd taken an anti inflammatory for the thigh pain on Saturday morning. And that after it kicked in, along with massage and heat cream from the trainer during the match, it felt okay.

Where did you read that?

Could have sworn I saw it in words on this site...not as an official article, but as something a poster had supplied? Obviously one can't believe too much in some of the things posted, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it were true.

Perhaps an informed poster could clarify? Thanks.

Clay Death
05-19-2009, 05:30 PM
I told you so. Didn't I tell you so? Simon Reed attacks again:
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/19052009/58/french-open-reed-nadal-vulnerable.html

How's Djokovic a threat to Nadal when he hasn't beaten Nadal in all his tries on clay. Has Novak really beat Rafa in a best of 5 sets match? No! I am not saying Roger or Andy can beat Rafa but why is Djokovic a big threat? I just can't see him beating Nadal in RG for 3 sets. Sorry Reed! And didn't you say Verdasco was better than Novak just a couple of weeks ago?

he is just trying to earn his keep as a sports writer. a little flare for the dramatic sells stories. Djokovic is a better player now than ever before but by the time he gets the Clay Monster which will be in the semis if he happens to be in his 1/2, Clay Monster will have his teeth firmly into the tournament.

and the Clay Monster has proven that he is just too tough that deep into the tournament at Roland Garros.

Djokovic and Murray are the future but right now its Nadal and he is near impossible to beat in a best of 5 sets match on dirt.

Australian Open was under much tougher conditions. we had the heat and we had that 5 hour 14 minute semi on hard courts which are really punishing.

he came back to win the final in 5 sets which lasted over 4 hours if i am not mistaken. that feat was accomplished under much more difficult conditions. also throw in the fact that he had never advanced that deep into a hard court slam before.

bottom line is this: unless he is injured, they can start inscribing his name on the trophy there right now. he has the right number of clay court matches under his belts as he approaches Paris. he should be able to take it from here.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:47 PM
he is just trying to earn his keep as a sports writer. a little flare for the dramatic sells stories. Djokovic is a better player now than ever before but by the time he gets the Clay Monster which will be in the semis if he happens to be in his 1/2, Clay Monster will have his teeth firmly into the tournament.

and the Clay Monster has proven that he is just too tough that deep into the tournament at Roland Garros.

Djokovic and Murray are the future but right now its Nadal and he is near impossible to beat in a best of 5 sets match on dirt.

Australian Open was under much tougher conditions. we had the heat and we had that 5 hour 14 minute semi on hard courts which are really punishing.

he came back to win the final in 5 sets which lasted over 4 hours if i am not mistaken. that feat was accomplished under much more difficult conditions. also throw in the fact that he had never advanced that deep into a hard court slam before.

bottom line is this: unless he is injured, they can start inscribing his name on the trophy there right now. he has the right number of clay court matches under his belts as he approaches Paris. he should be able to take it from here.

I think it's not fair for Nadal to play until the finals. Here is why. Nadal is unbeatable on clay. So why not give him the final spot and let others compete for that other spot. Give No. 1 seed to Fed and No 2 to Murray, then let them compete and the winner meets Nadal for the title ;) They might as well.

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 05:50 PM
You claim Roger has never beaten a fit Rafa. Tell me, has a fit Rafa ever lost? Not against you but I am tired of hearing this excuse. It's not like Rafa was forced to do a Marathon before the match. I would buy your argument if you mentioned the surface but not the fitness. Rafa is as fit as a bull and IMO he was still playing decent. You are telling me Rafa wouldn't have won had he made that backhand on that break point? I just don't see how you claim Novak can beat Rafa over 3 sets. How? He has never done it. Not on grass. Not on anything. Here is my thinking. Rafa will probably cruise with serving a bagel or two to all his opponents but if there is any threat, like a tiny teany threat (like being a break up in one set), that would be Roger. I can argue that Novak has never beaten a fit Roger without the help of the wind.

I don't mean to discredit Fed's achievement (still an impressive feat to beat Rafa on clay), but I'm just trying to provide you with a well-rounded argument. :)

Has a fit Rafa ever lost...on clay? I'd say not since he became the undisputed God of that surface, no. So I guess you'd go back to Valencia 2005, as a #17-ranked player losing to Andreev!! :eek: :lol:

Djokovic has beaten Rafa on hard courts.

Yep, Rafa will probably deal a bagel or two...and yes, I could see Fed giving him a problem here or there...but I still stand by my original comment. That being that I think Djokovic is now his biggest threat on clay.

Novak has never beaten a fit Roger without the help of wind? Two problems with that...(1) So you wouldn't class any of his 4 wins over Roger as "legitimate?" (2) The conditions are not only out of a player's control, but also the same for both of them.

l_mac
05-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Could have sworn I saw it in words on this site...not as an official article, but as something a poster had supplied? Obviously one can't believe too much in some of the things posted, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it were true.

Perhaps an informed poster could clarify? Thanks.

I can't find anything that said cortisone. In his interview Rafa said he took an anti-inflmmatory, but he didn't make it sound like an injection. :tears:

finishingmove
05-19-2009, 06:00 PM
this r serius tread

Arkulari
05-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Rafa has gotten infiltrations on his knee for quite a while, specially after the autumn HC seasons, that is to help with his chronic tendinitis, it's the fastest way to stop the pain :shrug:

I think that's a mistake, 'cuz his body is warning him of the excessive strain he is causing and it's better to rest than risk an injury

last year, Rafa planned to play the DC final using infiltrations, but then he decided not to because of the huge consecuences more strain could give to his knee :shrug:

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 06:24 PM
I don't mean to discredit Fed's achievement (still an impressive feat to beat Rafa on clay), but I'm just trying to provide you with a well-rounded argument. :)

Has a fit Rafa ever lost...on clay? I'd say not since he became the undisputed God of that surface, no. So I guess you'd go back to Valencia 2005, as a #17-ranked player losing to Andreev!! :eek: :lol:

Djokovic has beaten Rafa on hard courts.

Yep, Rafa will probably deal a bagel or two...and yes, I could see Fed giving him a problem here or there...but I still stand by my original comment. That being that I think Djokovic is now his biggest threat on clay.

Novak has never beaten a fit Roger without the help of wind? Two problems with that...(1) So you wouldn't class any of his 4 wins over Roger as "legitimate?" (2) The conditions are not only out of a player's control, but also the same for both of them.

That's what I am saying. You can't just credit every Nadal loss to lack of fitness or injury. And I think Fed played much better this time than at Hamburg. Hamburg was so slow and this was fast. Think about it. The first time Novak beat Roger it was windy. The last two times, Roger was crushing him but the wind get to him. Right? ;) And the 2nd time, Roger had mono. So by your logic, Novak has never beaten a fit (happy) Roger :) OK. I think all Novak wins counts but so should all Roger's wins over Rafa. The argument is pointless anyway. No one will beat Nadal at RG. So there is no threat. A threat actually has a chance to win. Novak, Roger, and Murray all combined on one side can't beat Rafa on clay.

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 06:32 PM
That's what I am saying. You can't just credit every Nadal loss to lack of fitness or injury. And I think Fed played much better this time than at Hamburg. Hamburg was so slow and this was fast. Think about it. The first time Novak beat Roger it was windy. The last two times, Roger was crushing him but the wind get to him. Right? ;) And the 2nd time, Roger had mono. So by your logic, Novak has never beaten a fit (happy) Roger :) OK. I think all Novak wins counts but so should all Roger's wins over Rafa. The argument is pointless anyway. No one will beat Nadal at RG. So there is no threat. A threat actually has a chance to win. Novak, Roger, and Murray all combined on one side can't beat Rafa on clay.

I agree, you can't have it both ways. In some of these scenarios, a fit player has never lost a match. I also agree that unless Nadal gets the swine flu, he's up for this one. But one word I do not use in tennis is "never".

Kiedis
05-19-2009, 06:57 PM
Could have sworn I saw it in words on this site...not as an official article, but as something a poster had supplied? Obviously one can't believe too much in some of the things posted, but it wouldn't have surprised me if it were true.

Perhaps an informed poster could clarify? Thanks.

Rafa is not stupid. Roland Garros is the great goal. If he had noticed any problem with his knees he would have withdrawn for sure.

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 07:15 PM
The first time Novak beat Roger it was windy. The last two times, Roger was crushing him but the wind get to him. Right? ;) And the 2nd time, Roger had mono. So by your logic, Novak has never beaten a fit (happy) Roger :) OK. I think all Novak wins counts but so should all Roger's wins over Rafa. The argument is pointless anyway. No one will beat Nadal at RG. So there is no threat. A threat actually has a chance to win. Novak, Roger, and Murray all combined on one side can't beat Rafa on clay.

Come on man (or woman!), you can't discredit a Djokovic win because it was windy outside...the conditions are the same for both players.

But the mono-induced win can be discredited, by my logic.

Murray shouldn't have been mentioned in that last line at all. :devil:


Rafa has gotten infiltrations on his knee for quite a while, specially after the autumn HC seasons, that is to help with his chronic tendinitis, it's the fastest way to stop the pain

I think that's a mistake, 'cuz his body is warning him of the excessive strain he is causing and it's better to rest than risk an injury

last year, Rafa planned to play the DC final using infiltrations, but then he decided not to because of the huge consecuences more strain could give to his knee

Thanks for the clarification. :)

Makes sense now...and yeah, he shouldn't be doing this. Obviously I respect that this is possibly the only way he can continue such an outstanding career (and it is his right to be able to play, obviously), but surely he is going to suffer in future years for putting himself through this.


Rafa is not stupid. Roland Garros is the great goal. If he had noticed any problem with his knees he would have withdrawn for sure.

Stupid, no. Foolish? Yes.

Each year his scheduling is poor. Yes, one can respect that he wants to clean up on his favourite surface, but really he shouldn't have been trying to play as many tournaments, and matches, in such a small space of time as he always does (April-June). And playing Queen's immediately after RG? Absolute madness. And then he complains that the ATP are asking too much of him in terms of commitment. Not to mention that gem of a comment last week about having a 2-year ranking system...

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 07:18 PM
Each year his scheduling is poor. Yes, one can respect that he wants to clean up on his favourite surface, but really he shouldn't have been trying to play as many tournaments, and matches, in such a small space of time as he always does (April-June). And playing Queen's immediately after RG? Absolute madness. And then he complains that the ATP are asking too much of him in terms of commitment. Not to mention that gem of a comment last week about having a 2-year ranking system...

I've said for a long time that these guys make their own schedules so don't be whining about fatigue or to demanding. I get blasted every time so I'm used to it.

Horatio Caine
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
I've said for a long time that these guys make their own schedules so don't be whining about fatigue or to demanding. I get blasted every time so I'm used to it.

I say the same thing as well. :lol:

Nadal is one extreme; Federer is the other (arguably doesn't play enough). At the end of the day, it is up to them, but they shouldn't complain.

Imo the ATP has done a better job in helping the top players this year. A one week gap between Rome and Madrid would have been beneficial...next step really would be to swap the slots for Masters Canada and Washington...get a week off between Masters events.

Obviously it could still be better...there is too much of a saturation of Masters events between March and mid-May, but there is little that could be done to improve on this, given the positioning of the Slams. Anyway, this has all been dicussed before.

Zirconek
05-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Do you mean the month?

Rafattack
05-19-2009, 07:38 PM
Yeah anyone who has won the RG title 4 years on the trot and has only lost one match on clay all season winning 3 titles on the surface shouldnt even be considered for RG.
Sarcasm springs to mind! Does the avatar not give a subtle hint?:wavey:

Har-Tru
05-19-2009, 07:40 PM
Reed is my hero.

fred perry
05-19-2009, 08:48 PM
this nadal could be a Real threat at the French...:wavey:

Jōris
05-19-2009, 08:56 PM
Some of the comments:

Rather than bull s h i t t i n g (as usual)Reed had better shut his fckg mouth and wait till the final result in Paris to see what happened.What a loser that bloke

This blog is such a waste of space and really can someone explain to me why this writer is still around the yahoo site

simon reed, nadal is vulnerable on clay??? you are a real joke.
sorry but you talk like a 12 year old little baby who dont no nothing about the tennis {clay!} game! please grow up already!. same year same talk but and the and nadal won As usual i have to say.

Mr Reed - one more time - please GET LOST!!!!!!

How about drug tests for journalists, some are clearly out of touch with reality.

l_mac
05-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Lord.

Simon Reed gets less respect than the FedTard2000.

cocrcici
05-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Lord.

Simon Reed gets less respect than the FedTard2000.

:worship:coosig.:worship:

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 12:47 AM
How's Djokovic a threat to Nadal when he hasn't beaten Nadal in all his tries on clay. Has Novak really beat Rafa in a best of 5 sets match??

and you're waiting for things to happen to believe they can happen.?? Right on.

No! I am not saying Roger or Andy can beat Rafa but why is Djokovic a big threat? I just can't see him beating Nadal in RG for 3 sets?

If you can't see something it does not mean it's there.

luie
05-20-2009, 12:47 AM
This simon reed fella could give peter bodo a run for his money.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 12:53 AM
simon reed, nadal is vulnerable on clay??? you are a real joke.
sorry but you talk like a 12 year old little baby who dont no nothing about the tennis {clay!} game! please grow up already!. same year same talk but and the and nadal won As usual i have to say.


Simon Reed is one of Britain's top tennis commentators - his exclusive blog appears here every Tuesday and Friday.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 01:04 AM
I think it's not fair for Nadal to play until the finals. Here is why. Nadal is unbeatable on clay. .

"No one is unbeatable", Novak Djokvovic



Give No. 1 seed to Fed and No 2 to Murray, then let them compete and the winner meets Nadal for the title ;) They might as well.

yeah in your court yard!

gulzhan
05-20-2009, 03:27 AM
Just few days to wait, guys :lol:

SheepleBuster
05-22-2009, 03:04 PM
"No one is unbeatable", Novak Djokvovic





yeah in your court yard!

I am just trying to get over the agony that has become the clay court season. That's all. I don't have a court yard though :devil: