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RG Draw- Who's avoiding who?

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 05:27 PM
With the recent clay court tournament results, It seems to me that RG champion will be decided on who meets who in the semis.

Nadal would still be the heavy favorite, but there's a lot of draw scenarios that would be unfavorable for him and could cost him the title.

I think, Nadal and Federer are both trying to avoid Nole on their half of the draw, because it definitely sounds UPSET in the making.

As for Nole- beating Nadal and Federer would be a hard task but doable.

My point is- I think whoever is not on Nole's side of the draw between Nadal and Fed will be crown RG champion.

It's too bad, the half semi finalist are all beatable.

Goldenoldie
05-19-2009, 05:30 PM
It depends which Djokovic turns up, the one who was great in 2008 and came back to life in Madrid, or the shadow who played most of 2009.

rofe
05-19-2009, 05:43 PM
Djokovic is not a threat to Nadal or Federer. Nadal will simply wear Djokovic down and in spite of Fed's recent losses to Djokovic, Fed is most comfortable playing Djokovic compared to Nadal or Murray. I wouldn't mind Djokovic on Fed's side of the draw.

StanisKing
05-19-2009, 05:43 PM
I don't think that anyone stands a chance if Nadal plays like last year in Paris.
No matter on which side Djoko is.

And yes Djokovic could reprise himself from Wimbledon 2008- I really think that Madrid loss to Nadal could be very dangerous for his confidence.
He played great, pulled excellent tactic and still was beaten (more - less the same thing as Queens 2008)

I wouldn't be surprised if some floater eliminates him in the first 2 rounds.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Stop it people. Novak has not beaten Nadal in a 3 out of 5 sets match. Ever!

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 05:48 PM
but Nole's clay court result in the last 3 AMS speaks for themselves. He is no joke this year on clay. They have to work their ass out to beat him.

In fact, I could say he could have won that semis agains't Nadal but I would also think he would lose the finals to fed because of exhaustion.

Sunset of Age
05-19-2009, 05:48 PM
Djokovic is not a threat to Nadal or Federer. Nadal will simply wear Djokovic down and in spite of Fed's recent losses to Djokovic, Fed is most comfortable playing Djokovic compared to Nadal or Murray. I wouldn't mind Djokovic on Fed's side of the draw.

:yeah: - might it not also be that Fed has become just a little bit better the past weeks? Why all of the sudden Djokovic Bandwagonning?
Nadal was having trouble with Verdasco in Madrid as well, FGS.

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 05:50 PM
:yeah: - might it not also be that Fed has become just a little bit better the past weeks? Why all of the sudden Djokovic Bandwagonning?
Nadal was having trouble with Verdasco in Madrid as well, FGS.

Verdasco giving Nadal trouble? when is that?

Did Verdasco ever win a set? or a set point? let alone a match point!

StanisKing
05-19-2009, 05:50 PM
:yeah: - might it not also be that Fed has become just a little bit better the past weeks? Why all of the sudden Djokovic Bandwagonning?
Nadal was having trouble with Verdasco in Madrid as well, FGS.

Of course,

We all here speak if Rafa doesn't play that well.
If he plays like in Madrid- he is beatable of course.

If he plays like last year at RG- he will not lose a set.

Action Jackson
05-19-2009, 05:52 PM
What the top players can choose their own draw to avoid players.

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 05:52 PM
Stop it people. Novak has not beaten Nadal in a 3 out of 5 sets match. Ever!

Yes, thats a valid point, but Nole also had his best clay court results this year so far.

And also, that 3 setter 4 hours match in Madrid is more than a 5 setter 6:2 2:6 6:3 7:6......and so on.....

Dougie
05-19-2009, 05:55 PM
How do you avoid someone in a draw? What the hell, everyone´s scared of Gaudio, that´s a given.

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 05:56 PM
Yes, thats a valid point, but Nole also had his best clay court results this year so far.

And also, that 3 setter 4 hours match in Madrid is more than a 5 setter 6:2 2:6 6:3 7:6......and so on.....

Are you telling me that Novak will be the favorite if it goes to the fifth set? He'll probably have no legs left. Novak will indeed need to win the first 2 sets and wait for Rafa to stumble. Unfortunately, the surface will be much different. No altitude and Rafa will serve a couple of bagels I am afraid. He likes Roger and Novak so much he'll give them one each.

Castafiore
05-19-2009, 05:56 PM
Why all of the sudden Djokovic Bandwagonning?.
I don't think it's bandwagonning as such. If Novak had converted one of those match points on Saturday, than we would have gotten real bandwagonning, I think.
Novak has shown good results on clay so it's not so odd to see him as a difficult opponent on clay. :shrug:

scoobs
05-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.

you can add- Nadal avoiding back to back Verdasco, Nole and Fed. But that's still winnable for him.

why all of a sudden we have Murray on the picture? Nobody avoids him on clay!!!

zlaja777
05-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Federer is avoiding Djokovic (I'm sure Djokovic will beat him if they meet in semis)
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal (Nadal defeated him in last 3 FO)

SheepleBuster
05-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.

I think Novak is avoiding Murray too. I mean Murray practically owns him these days. Maybe those two should play, the winner meets Roger, and Nadal just plays in the final.

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 06:09 PM
I think Novak is avoiding Murray too. I mean Murray practically owns him these days. Maybe those two should play, the winner meets Roger, and Nadal just plays in the final.

get outa here! Murray lost in straight sets to Delpony who was toyed by Nole and Fed on clay this year.

Murray is in england preparing for grass already.

Okonsky
05-19-2009, 06:11 PM
:yeah: - might it not also be that Fed has become just a little bit better the past weeks? Why all of the sudden Djokovic Bandwagonning?
Nadal was having trouble with Verdasco in Madrid as well, FGS.

Karin where did you see Djokovic Bandwagonning? Not fair. Like him or not you can't 'just like that' dismiss him. And Verdasco?

I agree with:

It depends which Djokovic turns up, the one who was great in 2008 and came back to life in Madrid, or the shadow who played most of 2009.

It will be hell of a job to Novak, almost impossible but still.

Okonsky
05-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I don't think it's bandwagonning as such. If Novak had converted one of those match points on Saturday, than we would have gotten real bandwagonning, I think.
Novak has shown good results on clay so it's not so odd to see him as a difficult opponent on clay. :shrug:

Fair enough:yeah:

Collective
05-19-2009, 06:14 PM
Yes, thats a valid point, but Nole also had his best clay court results this year so far.

And also, that 3 setter 4 hours match in Madrid is more than a 5 setter 6:2 2:6 6:3 7:6......and so on.....

It lasted 4 hours because of Nole's everlasting ball bouncing

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 06:17 PM
It lasted 4 hours because of Nole's everlasting ball bouncing

:rolleyes:
stupid posters who just post what he thinks.

Did you even watch the match? Can't you appreciate good tennis?

anyway, ur lucky I respond to this ignorant post.

pica_pica
05-19-2009, 06:47 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.
It does help :lol:

Arkulari
05-19-2009, 06:52 PM
I think the Madrid defeat was a hard blow for Nole, specially because after that Roger managed to beat Rafa on clay :shrug:
Djoker has never beaten Rafa on clay, didn't even take him to 4 sets :shrug:
he had a great clay season, but that's not a warranty of getting through RG, last year he got to MC SF, won Rome and got to Hamburg SF and how he did on RG? :rolleyes:

scarecrows
05-19-2009, 07:35 PM
so it's a lock that these 3 will be in the semis?

Johnny Groove
05-19-2009, 07:38 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.

Pretty much.

I expect Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic to make the semis (for the 3rd straight year), and Murray to lose late 1st week, early 2nd week at the latest.

Expect a surprise semifinalist, someone completely off the radar.

Garson007
05-19-2009, 08:04 PM
Pretty much.

I expect Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic to make the semis (for the 3rd straight year), and Murray to lose late 1st week, early 2nd week at the latest.

Expect a surprise semifinalist, someone completely off the radar.
Federer wouldn't believe his luck. :p

BIGMARAT
05-19-2009, 08:27 PM
so it's a lock that these 3 will be in the semis?

If you look at Hamburg, Rome and Madrid- A very BIG YES!!!!

Okonsky
05-19-2009, 08:41 PM
Expect a surprise semifinalist, someone completely off the radar.

Healthy Monfils?

tealeaves
05-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Don't badrep me, I have a hunch Del Potro would be in SF, together with Nole, Roger and Nadal.

marcRD
05-19-2009, 09:25 PM
I think Rafa wants to avoid Djokovic. I think Verdasco could be a dangerous floater in the qf for the big 3. Nadal would also hope to avoid Ferrer and Monfils who can stretch a match and even a set to epic proportions, imagine Nadal facing Djokovic in the SF after a 5 hours 4 set match against Ferrer?

Federer will not want to face Murray even on clay, I cant think of many serious threats outside the top 4 to Federer, as I said Verdasco could be difficult for all of them and Wawrinka could cause a surprise in the early rounds.

Arkulari
05-19-2009, 09:29 PM
Roger is a bad match-up for Nando, so I don't think there's much to worry about in there, but Nando could be dangerous for Djoker and give Rafa a hard time
Pics is yet another fighter, so facing him on any round is a ticket to tiredness
about Stan: well, he has the clay game to pull it off, but it all comes down to mental strength, which he doesn't have THAT much :shrug:

Sapeod
05-19-2009, 09:49 PM
get outa here! Murray lost in straight sets to Delpony who was toyed by Nole and Fed on clay this year.

Murray is in england preparing for grass already.
Murray may not be very good on clay, but Djokovic and Federer won't want to meet him anyway, since he's beaten Djokovic the last 3 times and Federer the last 4. Nadal won't mind being against him.

El Legenda
05-19-2009, 10:15 PM
In the womens draw, everyone is avoiding Stepanek.

MacTheKnife
05-19-2009, 10:34 PM
In the womens draw, everyone is avoiding Stepanek.

:yeah::haha: Now that should be in your signature for sure.

StanisKing
05-19-2009, 10:55 PM
No matter how badly played this clay season (apart from Barca final) I really think that Ferrer is capable of beating both Djokovic and Murray.

superslam77
05-19-2009, 11:32 PM
I think one SF could easily have a top 5-12,wawrinka or monaco instead of murray.

Har-Tru
05-19-2009, 11:54 PM
No matter how badly played this clay season (apart from Barca final) I really think that Ferrer is capable of beating both Djokovic and Murray.

Not that it matters that much, but Ferrer already beat Djokovic on clay in a 5-set match this year. In straights.

gulzhan
05-20-2009, 04:28 AM
In the womens draw, everyone is avoiding Stepanek.

:haha:

and Verdasco ;)

Forehander
05-20-2009, 04:35 AM
you left out the future and the clay god Murray

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 04:40 AM
I don't think that anyone stands a chance if Nadal plays like last year in Paris.

you know, if I play like Borg did in 1979, I don't think that anyone has chance against me.

And yes Djokovic could reprise himself from Wimbledon 2008- I really think that Madrid loss to Nadal could be very dangerous for his confidence

you don't remember long, do you? In 2007 USO final, Djoker squandered 7 set points in the first two sets (5 and 2 respectivelly) lost it in straights, and he came back at 2008 AO semi and destroyed Federer in straight sets! That was a demolition!

Djoker will come back as strong as one can be!

If I were Rafa I would prey for death in this RG.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 04:43 AM
Not that it matters that much, but Ferrer already beat Djokovic on clay in a 5-set match this year. In straights.

you count DC?
You're the only one who takes that crazy competition seriously. Some polayers don't even bother going for it. There's no a dime in that type of competition involved. I would retain that competition but let all tennis amateurs compete there.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 04:48 AM
Djoker will crush Rafa whether in semi or final. Roger is not gonna make it past q/f. So, Djoker is avoiding no one. He is avoiding hot weather. However, Rafa can order FO guys to leave the roof open on +40c!! Cook Djoko, and he is safely through.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 04:49 AM
Don't badrep me, I have a hunch Del Potro would be in SF, together with Nole, Roger and Nadal.

you/re sure about Rog?

moonlightdance
05-20-2009, 05:20 AM
Djoker will crush Rafa whether in semi or final. Roger is not gonna make it past q/f. So, Djoker is avoiding no one. He is avoiding hot weather. However, Rafa can order FO guys to leave the roof open on +40c!! Cook Djoko, and he is safely through.

crush? similar to RG '06 when he was totally in control at 4-6, 4-6 before being forced by the gods to retire, right?

freeandlonely
05-20-2009, 05:27 AM
It's still 127 avoiding one, let's just see what happen this year.

JimmyV
05-20-2009, 05:41 AM
Roddick is the clear #2 favorite for the title coming in. He took more sets off Federer in Madird than Nadal did and his clay pedigree will be on full display. An appearance in the final is almost guaranteed.

FedFan_2007
05-20-2009, 05:43 AM
Nobody, but nobody wants to play Christophe Rochus. That guy is a clay demon.

w78dexon_y
05-20-2009, 06:06 AM
crush? similar to RG '06 when he was totally in control at 4-6, 4-6 before being forced by the gods to retire, right?

you're living in the distant past!
Wake up. Djoker was 19 yo then!

StanisKing
05-20-2009, 09:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdfhhYJsJ8

Classic

1:50,Rafa reacton after it has been obviously translated to him:
PRICELESS.

habibko
05-20-2009, 10:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdfhhYJsJ8

Classic

1:50,Rafa reacton after it has been obviously translated to him:
PRICELESS.

nice to see my comment on the video got 166 thumps up :angel:

that was from the period I was REALLY critical of Djokovic, he has got the balls now :devil:

Venle
05-20-2009, 01:37 PM
Nadal is avoiding no-one.
Federer is avoiding Djokovic and Murray
Djokovic is avoiding Nadal.
Murray is avoiding everyone.

Hope this helps.

Seconded.

Har-Tru
05-20-2009, 01:42 PM
you count DC?
You're the only one who takes that crazy competition seriously. Some polayers don't even bother going for it. There's no a dime in that type of competition involved. I would retain that competition but let all tennis amateurs compete there.

you're quickly becoming the number one contender for ACC. keep up the good work.

murex
05-20-2009, 02:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdfhhYJsJ8

Classic

1:50,Rafa reacton after it has been obviously translated to him:
PRICELESS.

I remember this match,in second set Nadal have advantage 4-0,and Nole is come back 4-4 and then injure his foot...Nadal after that won two games and Nole is retired from match.

DrJules
05-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Nadal is the one they all fear here having never lost at the French Open.

l_mac
05-20-2009, 09:45 PM
I remember this match,in second set Nadal have advantage 4-0,and Nole is come back 4-4 and then injure his foot...Nadal after that won two games and Nole is retired from match.

You don't remember it that well. Nole retired with a back injury.

«Ivan»
05-20-2009, 11:37 PM
you're living in the distant past!
Wake up. Djoker was 19 yo then!

hey stud:kiss::drool::aplot:

i nominate you for the biggest clown on mtf:hug: i don want you to be surpised love.

Arkulari
05-21-2009, 01:17 AM
Rafa's WTF? face is priceless, qué ha dicho? :eek: :lol:
and then he humors Djoker, yeah whatever :rolls: